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== Proportion occupied by Israel ==
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The article says 2/3 occupied by Israel. The accompanying map, with its thin line just east of the occupied area, seems to show a tiny strip remaining under Syrian control and around 90% occupied. Either the map is misleading, or it is wrong, or (I suppose less likely) the 2/3 is wrong. I hope someone can fix the map. ] (]) 04:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
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:I was just going to post about this since we see this, "Following the 2024 Syrian opposition offensives Israel occupied the remaining one third of the area." The map needs updating to reflect the full locations with Israelis present. ] (]) 19:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
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== three million tourists? == == Lede too long ==


Lede is a summary of the body and should be ideally four well-composed paragraphs. The recent additions, especially to the last lede paragraph, has turned it into a bloated live blog instead of an encyclopaedic entry. ] (]) 16:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Not sure where the lead section is getting it's info from. in 2011, Israel celebrated 3.6 million tourists. certainly, 3million of them didn't visit the Golan. http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/2011/Tourism_to_Israel_grows_21-Sep-2011.htm
Al-Ahram Weekly is clearly not a reliable source of information. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:38, 9 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:Agreed. I've edited the last paragraph already. Can we summarise some of the history? ] (]) 15:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
== Syrian Heights and ] ==
::I've taken a stab at the history too. See what you think? ] (]) 15:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:::Better now, the second lede paragraph still needs trimming, specifically avoiding the hyperfocus on ancient civilizations. ] (]) 08:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
The following phrase has been inserted into the Lead, ''“also referred to as Syrian Golan or the Syrian Heights.”'' The reference for the POV edit is one 30-year old source. Per ], it doesn’t hold up. One ref to a 30-year old source is insufficient to establish a commonly used name. Moreover, I have found the following sources that refer to it as the Israeli Golan;
::::Agreed. Any better now? We could remove the ] too, if you'd prefer. ] (]) 10:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:::::Much better, thanks. Very pleasantly readable now. ] (]) 10:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

If one can refer to the Golan as “Syrian Golan” on reliance on one 30-year old source, surely one can easily call it the "Israeli Golan Heights" based on a multiplicity of much more recent sources that refer to it by that name.--] (]) 02:13, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

:"Syrian Heights" was common before 1967 and doesn't need to be in the lead. "Syrian Golan" is the standard name used by the UN and other international bodies and must remain (with a more recent source). "Israeli Golan" is not a name at all but a description. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 06:00, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
::I agree that "Syrian Golan" must remain. The ] frequently refers to the region as "Syrian Golan" and there are many other reputable sources that use that name. This is an encyclopedia article, not a soapbox.] (]) 12:28, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

== Map Problems ==

There are currently three maps used in the article which is way too many. This one is not neutral as it shows the Golan as part of Syria. The Golan Heights have been under Israeli civilian control for 44.5 years. They have been under Syrian control for only 21. I have compiled a number of maps from reliable sources (including ] and ]) showing the Golan as belonging to neither Israel nor Syria. Please note the UPI map. The Golan remains under defacto Israeli control and it’s disputed status should be reflected on corresponding maps.--] (]) 02:17, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
:I agree. Maps that don't indicate Israeli control of the area are a disservice to our readers.--'']] ]'' 02:39, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
:: However the one JJG indicated ''does'' show Israeli control. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 06:02, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
::Exactly, it actually specifically says that Israel controls the territory, with that control having a name. This attempt to whitewash the near consensus among competent parties on the Golan's status is more than silly, it is disruptive as it attempts to distort facts backed by countless scholarly sources to allow for a fringe narrative that the Golan is not Syrian territory held by Israel under military occupation. That is the position of nearly the entire world, and the sources in the article back that up. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 15:38, 13 November 2011 (UTC)</small>

== Improve Readability of the Lede ==

I think that the lede is currently way too wordy and dense with information. Let's work on improving the summary so it's readable and easy to understand. ] (]) 13:24, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

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Proportion occupied by Israel

The article says 2/3 occupied by Israel. The accompanying map, with its thin line just east of the occupied area, seems to show a tiny strip remaining under Syrian control and around 90% occupied. Either the map is misleading, or it is wrong, or (I suppose less likely) the 2/3 is wrong. I hope someone can fix the map. Zaslav (talk) 04:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

I was just going to post about this since we see this, "Following the 2024 Syrian opposition offensives Israel occupied the remaining one third of the area." The map needs updating to reflect the full locations with Israelis present. Iljhgtn (talk) 19:31, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Lede too long

Lede is a summary of the body and should be ideally four well-composed paragraphs. The recent additions, especially to the last lede paragraph, has turned it into a bloated live blog instead of an encyclopaedic entry. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. I've edited the last paragraph already. Can we summarise some of the history? Lewisguile (talk) 15:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
I've taken a stab at the history too. See what you think? Lewisguile (talk) 15:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Better now, the second lede paragraph still needs trimming, specifically avoiding the hyperfocus on ancient civilizations. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Agreed. Any better now? We could remove the WP:SEAOFBLUE too, if you'd prefer. Lewisguile (talk) 10:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Much better, thanks. Very pleasantly readable now. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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