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== Racist? ==
Thank you for your help resolving the dispute between Aprock and me on the Ashkenazi intelligence article. It appears to be resolved at this point, but I do have one additional question. The topic of ethnicity and intelligence is a tricky one, and I've noticed that it's a challenging endeavor to find people who place improving the articles in line with policy above promoting their own viewpoints. I'm grateful that the person who responded to my 3O request was someone with a good handle on neutrality and adherence to policy. I'd like to ask: next time I'm in need of someone to mediate a dispute of this nature in this topic area, would you mind if I request your input directly instead of going through the 3O process again?] (]) 21:18, 24 September 2011 (UTC)


You wanna explain by what definition of "racism" could be called racist? ]&nbsp;] 01:58, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
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:You should provide a link to the discussion thread, which is ], and the editor is ]. ] (]) 00:09, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


:The content insinuates a link between a growth in, specifically, the immigration of Muslim people to Europe and the development of social tension in France. This is simplistic and is not a link which is supported by the source. The content is decontextualised at the very start of the body, giving it undue weight and seeming to imply that Muslim immigration is the sole causal factor of the events described in the article. ] (]) 13:04, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
== Death panel ==


== Charlie Hebdo ==
Thanks for the compliment about the research. I think I've definitely researched the topic well! I guess I'm just waiting for a specific example and argument as to why a part of the article is POV. Until then, it seems there's just this general felling of "Hey! You're not giving ]." O well. Thanks. ] (]) 01:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


Hi. Why did you revert the if only the religion is being discussed ? Mustapha Ourad is an Algerian national (he became a French citizen about a month ago), which essentially makes him a French-Algerian or Franco-Algerian, as mentioned by RS. Please revert the part that's not being discussed. ] (]) 16:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
:It's not really just about weight. Like I say, I agree with the POV but, for example, "false" or "falsely" occurs every other sentence in the first two paragraphs of the "prelude" subsection. I think the article has gone too far in hammering home the point that "death panel" is, all said and done, a bit of stupid sloganeering. That can be conveyed without taking such a severe tone, I think. --] (]) 01:30, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


:According to the source, his application was in process (""), which means that he was not a French citizen at the time of his death. ] (]) 16:52, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks. Maybe it would be good for discussion purposes to bring that up at NPOVN. Each time I've used the word false I think there's a good source that used it or an equivalent. I did ask for a copy-edit to the article recently. Maybe that would help. ] (]) 01:44, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


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Hi, I had hoped the closer of ] would take into account the widespread confusion about lead vs first sentence. I count no less than four editors showing a misunderstanding. One other editor was confused about ], thinking it endorsed "doctor" and post-nomials, contra ]. (And the one IP was a likely sock of a recently blocked Chopra SPA, sharing the precise geolocation of other IP socks.)
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Discounting the confused votes would only increase the majority, so this isn't about the outcome of the RfC. However considering the article has been the focus of COI editors and off-site canvassing this past year, I would have preferred to have seen a clearer majority for the purpose of citing the RfC in the future. ''] ~ ]'' 01:49, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
:Yay! Thanks. --] (]) 17:26, 18 October 2011 (UTC)


:Hi Manul. I agree that it is possible that some people who responded in the RfC were confused about the question. However, I did not see strong evidence for this. As a closer, I can only make a determination that there has been widespread confusion as to the question if that is totally clear. But it is not easy to tell the difference between somebody who is answering the wrong question because they have misunderstood and somebody who is simply giving a bad answer to the right question. I can't read their minds.
== Rollback justification ==
:You will note, though, that I have given reduced weight (very considerably reduced, in fact) to votes that offered nothing more than "because it's true". AFAICT, this includes any vote that might have resulted from the confusion of an editor. So, regardless of whether I actually declared them to be confused or not, their votes have not counted for much.
:I'd also draw your attention that the main reason the result went the way it did was not numbers (even though the numbers went the same way). Editors who supported inclusion lost the argument. Not everything they said was idiotic, but no reason for inclusion that was supported by policy was put forward. I'd say that's the thing for you to take away - if anyone wants to re-open the issue in the future, they should really come up with a new argument. If they do, then that is, of course, fair enough. ] (]) 11:16, 20 January 2015 (UTC)


::We are on the same page, except that I do see strong evidence of mis-votes. See e.g. Cwobeel's statement, " is a doctor, he is a doctor. e.g. Rand Paul was an ophthalmologist, and that fact is in the lede". Not only is the confusion explicit, but the anti-example of the Rand Paul article is cited, which does not have "ophthalmologist" in the first sentence. There are other cases as well. I appreciate your closing and your response above, I would just quibble on that one point. In all, it's probably not worth quibbling about. Best, ''] ~ ]'' 18:13, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
''']''' I because ] was written by Christie. —]❤]☮]☺]☯ 00:51, 2 November 2011 (UTC)


==Marie Antoinette==
:OK, my mistake. --] (]) 00:54, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you (merci), for your objectivity, I think you know the importance of the 14 of July during that period.(])] (]) 23:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


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== Pope's Indian daughter ==
Hello FormerIP. You've been reported at ]. Please revert yourself at ] to avoid sanctions. See ]. You must surely have seen the large editnotice about 1RR which pops up when you hit the 'Edit' button. Thank you, ] (]) 03:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:You don't get the notice when you are using Twinkle. But thanks for the message. --] (]) 03:12, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
::Sounds like Twinkle needs a new feature. ] (]) 03:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
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Forgive me, but I . ] (]) 22:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


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But it's the main point and should be cited. ]. ''']''' (]) 14:07, 3 November 2011 (UTC)


Hi. Thanks for your help at the MOS discussion. I just wondered why you'd have your signature set up in such a way that confuses other editors? () --] (]) 08:52, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
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Most of the anon's complaints are a bit beyond 3O on ], having been discussed extensively by multiple editors: ] and ], (e.g. anon's #2 is addressed by consensus . Then there's the infobox, which anon has gone from one extreme to the other, from to . Anyway, your input is very welcome in addition to what everyone else has been discussing over the past several months. Thanks! ] <small>]</small> 00:25, 7 November 2011 (UTC)


:OK, well I'll try to take all that into account. I haven't looked into it enough yet to no what response I will give, but don't forget that it is non-binding. --] (]) 00:37, 7 November 2011 (UTC) :I guess it's been that way since before the dawn of ping, and I've never really thought about it. ] (]) 12:38, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
::OK... --] (]) 16:48, 13 March 2015 (UTC)


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:Hi, yes I have just moved the page, because I was asked to (see here ]). If my bad, then apologies. Yet there is consensus for the move, and the discussion has gone on long over time. ] (]) 14:21, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
::Thanks. ] (]) 14:39, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


==Egypt Economic Development Conference has been nominated for Did You Know==
:I will though only through gritted teeth. Although, there is consensus for the move, and as I have written above this discussion has gone on longer than normal. This name, numbering and country is a perennial issue with the above monarch, and as a result no consensus has been reached regarding the name, however much a small band of editors suggest that that is the case. The move here is impartial and does no particular 'interested' parties down on their ownership of the memory of the man. ] (]) 14:54, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
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Racist?

You wanna explain by what definition of "racism" this could be called racist? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:58, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

The content insinuates a link between a growth in, specifically, the immigration of Muslim people to Europe and the development of social tension in France. This is simplistic and is not a link which is supported by the source. The content is decontextualised at the very start of the body, giving it undue weight and seeming to imply that Muslim immigration is the sole causal factor of the events described in the article. Formerip (talk) 13:04, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Charlie Hebdo

Hi. Why did you revert the whole thing if only the religion is being discussed ? Mustapha Ourad is an Algerian national (he became a French citizen about a month ago), which essentially makes him a French-Algerian or Franco-Algerian, as mentioned by RS. Please revert the part that's not being discussed. MoorNextDoor (talk) 16:48, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

According to the source, his application was in process ("he was about to receive French citizenship"), which means that he was not a French citizen at the time of his death. Formerip (talk) 16:52, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Vote counts in Chopra RfC

Hi, I had hoped the closer of that RfC would take into account the widespread confusion about lead vs first sentence. I count no less than four editors showing a misunderstanding. One other editor was confused about MOS:BLPLEAD, thinking it endorsed "doctor" and post-nomials, contra WP:CREDENTIAL. (And the one IP was a likely sock of a recently blocked Chopra SPA, sharing the precise geolocation of other IP socks.)

Discounting the confused votes would only increase the majority, so this isn't about the outcome of the RfC. However considering the article has been the focus of COI editors and off-site canvassing this past year, I would have preferred to have seen a clearer majority for the purpose of citing the RfC in the future. Manul ~ talk 01:49, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Manul. I agree that it is possible that some people who responded in the RfC were confused about the question. However, I did not see strong evidence for this. As a closer, I can only make a determination that there has been widespread confusion as to the question if that is totally clear. But it is not easy to tell the difference between somebody who is answering the wrong question because they have misunderstood and somebody who is simply giving a bad answer to the right question. I can't read their minds.
You will note, though, that I have given reduced weight (very considerably reduced, in fact) to votes that offered nothing more than "because it's true". AFAICT, this includes any vote that might have resulted from the confusion of an editor. So, regardless of whether I actually declared them to be confused or not, their votes have not counted for much.
I'd also draw your attention that the main reason the result went the way it did was not numbers (even though the numbers went the same way). Editors who supported inclusion lost the argument. Not everything they said was idiotic, but no reason for inclusion that was supported by policy was put forward. I'd say that's the thing for you to take away - if anyone wants to re-open the issue in the future, they should really come up with a new argument. If they do, then that is, of course, fair enough. Formerip (talk) 11:16, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
We are on the same page, except that I do see strong evidence of mis-votes. See e.g. Cwobeel's statement, " is a doctor, he is a doctor. e.g. Rand Paul was an ophthalmologist, and that fact is in the lede". Not only is the confusion explicit, but the anti-example of the Rand Paul article is cited, which does not have "ophthalmologist" in the first sentence. There are other cases as well. I appreciate your closing and your response above, I would just quibble on that one point. In all, it's probably not worth quibbling about. Best, Manul ~ talk 18:13, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Marie Antoinette

Thank you (merci), for your objectivity, I think you know the importance of the 14 of July during that period.(talk)Aubmn (talk) 23:34, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

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Pope's Indian daughter

Forgive me, but I laughed out loud. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Your signature

Hi. Thanks for your help at the MOS discussion. I just wondered why you'd have your signature set up in such a way that confuses other editors? () --Dweller (talk) 08:52, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I guess it's been that way since before the dawn of ping, and I've never really thought about it. Formerip (talk) 12:38, 13 March 2015 (UTC)
OK... --Dweller (talk) 16:48, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks. Formerip (talk) 14:39, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

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