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== Blues ==

Otis redding did blues-themed soul/R&B music in early-mid 1960s, like "these arms of mine", "pain in my heart", and "i've been loving you too long."
So i added genre "blues" in this page. ] (]) 15:35, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
== Dock of the Bay ==
This article: https://getpocket.com/explore/item/inside-otis-redding-s-final-masterpiece-sittin-on-the-dock-of-the-bay?utm_source=pocket-newtab claims that Steve Cropper was not present when Redding wrote the song, and refers directly to this article as mistaken. I don't know who's right. Is there an expert or does someone have access to material that can solve this? ] ] 04:20, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

:Thanks for pointing that out. This one will be easy for you to fix. The cited source says, So what's going on here is that someone summarized the source incorrectly. ] (]) 04:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
::{{done}} ]&nbsp;<sup>]]&nbsp;]]</sup> 05:04, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

::: Thanks (somewhat late) to ] and ] for resolving this.] ] 02:00, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

== Johnny Jenkins and Isaac Hayes did not attend, fearing their reaction would be worse than Zelma Redding's ==


"Johnny Jenkins and Isaac Hayes did not attend, fearing their reaction would be worse than Zelma Redding's" This is near meaningless without information about Zelma's reaction. ] (]) 22:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
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:Agreed, but the googlebooks view of the ref doesn't show the pages that cover that and my library system doesn't have that book. {{u|Tomcat7}}, do you still have the Guralnick book from when you added that line back in 2011? Or do you remember the context, so it can be added to the article? ]&nbsp;] 12:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


==Self-assessment at B class==
I have removed ]'s self assessment of this article as B class. There is no evidence that a B class review has been performed and the article is clearly not at that standard yet. ] (]) 14:56, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


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I just noticed the article leads off with this line - "He is a great singer in the history of American popular music."


Does that sound like encyclopedic style? Shouldn't this read something like "He is widely considered one of the greatest singers in the history etc etc", with sources? It doesn't even have any citations. Otis Redding deserves better :/
Here you can read the B criteria:


== Loretta Williams ==
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You need to contact Loretta Williams. She's alive & well in Mobile, Alabama. She's the Pastor at 2nd Chance Church in Chickasaw,Alabama. It's a lot of things she can add to this story. ] (]) 14:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
:::I do not think that this article is reasonably well-written, which is why I gave it a C-class rating. As you say, anybody is able to assess an article, and Jezhotwells gave it a C-class today. Then you reverted him, and I reverted you after performing my own assessment, and I posted my comment here. You reverted me, so now we are in the middle of edit warring over the rating, with you doing the warring. ] (]) 17:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
::::You need to give examples of why you believe it does not meet the B criteria instead of reverting the reverting of the assessment. BTW, The article was assessed to B status in 2007: . So you need to convience me it does not meet the B criteria. Regards.--<span style=font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'><font color=orange>]</font></span><sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup><sub>]</sup> 17:51, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
:::::Because it is '''not''' reasonnably well writtem, indeed that is why it failed GA. Furthermore, you don't assess your own work. For any grading system to have any worth it must be carried out by third parties. Awarding yourself grades is like sticking un-earned gold stars on your homework book and is basically cheating. ] (]) 21:41, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

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Blues

Otis redding did blues-themed soul/R&B music in early-mid 1960s, like "these arms of mine", "pain in my heart", and "i've been loving you too long."

So i added genre "blues" in this page. LSM1204 (talk) 15:35, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Dock of the Bay

This article: https://getpocket.com/explore/item/inside-otis-redding-s-final-masterpiece-sittin-on-the-dock-of-the-bay?utm_source=pocket-newtab claims that Steve Cropper was not present when Redding wrote the song, and refers directly to this article as mistaken. I don't know who's right. Is there an expert or does someone have access to material that can solve this? HornColumbia talk 04:20, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. This one will be easy for you to fix. The cited source says, "He returned to Memphis and, with Steve Cropper, finished writing the acoustic ballad that would become his signature hit." So what's going on here is that someone summarized the source incorrectly. Binksternet (talk) 04:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
 Done Ed  05:04, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks (somewhat late) to Ed and Binksternet for resolving this.HornColumbia talk 02:00, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

Johnny Jenkins and Isaac Hayes did not attend, fearing their reaction would be worse than Zelma Redding's

"Johnny Jenkins and Isaac Hayes did not attend, fearing their reaction would be worse than Zelma Redding's" This is near meaningless without information about Zelma's reaction. Barefoot through the chollas (talk) 22:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, but the googlebooks view of the ref doesn't show the pages that cover that and my library system doesn't have that book. Tomcat7, do you still have the Guralnick book from when you added that line back in 2011? Or do you remember the context, so it can be added to the article? Schazjmd (talk) 12:57, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


Style

I just noticed the article leads off with this line - "He is a great singer in the history of American popular music."

Does that sound like encyclopedic style? Shouldn't this read something like "He is widely considered one of the greatest singers in the history etc etc", with sources? It doesn't even have any citations. Otis Redding deserves better :/

Loretta Williams

You need to contact Loretta Williams. She's alive & well in Mobile, Alabama. She's the Pastor at 2nd Chance Church in Chickasaw,Alabama. It's a lot of things she can add to this story. 69.85.244.210 (talk) 14:56, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

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