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| Hi, could you kindly have a look at the article for ], as one person keeps changing the article in breach of ], ], ] and ]. I have tried to explain the reason for reverting them, but they are not interested in these policies and continue to to a version clearly not in line with basic BLP policies. ] (]) 17:03, 12 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi. Are you concerned that the article is becoming to pro-Yasin or too anti-Yasin? ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 19:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hi, well I am just concerned about the edits removing reliably sourced content, calling views "claimed" and adding OR and self interpretation without RS. If you view the edit I linked. ] (]) 19:15, 12 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::Can you give me some specific examples? Say, the top two most obvious problems? ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 19:43, 12 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Well the is pretty clear with all violations. But alright, 1) he removed reliably sourced content (articles sourcing the views, see: Homosexuality (adding the word bestiality), Family life, Education 2) he interprets the view stating "This statement seems wrong and taken out of context", which is ] 3) and adds primary source OR (youtube) to source his edit 4) 5) ignores ] renaming the 'View' section 'Claimed views' and then further inserting "Yasin is claimed to" 3 times. Clearly not how we edit BLP's. ] (]) 20:00, 12 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I've left a number of comments on his Talk: page. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 16:28, 13 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Hello, thanks and certainly appreciated. I have just viewed the 30+ edits he has since made to KY. Again he removed most of the quotes , , rewriting significantly from the previously quoted content and added counterviews but sourcing is mainly a video interview and I'm unsure that the video link is an RSS. The websites are both in Dutch, where the former looks like a blog while the latter I am unsure about. Also unsure about . Not sure we need to specify that "yasin has been quoted". Though foreign RSS are admissable, I noticed 3 Danish news articles, which look fine for RSS though they certainly offer more information that what is selectively cited. And the videos, still, may fall under OR. ] (]) 00:30, 14 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::: Hi again, can you have a look at the above in terms of the 2 video links being RS? The vidoe link(s) are used extensively to "counter" views of YK in a BLP which requires strict RS. ] (]) 12:03, 16 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::If they're the ones I think you mean, they're in Dutch, so it's hard for me to assess. Can you confirm the specific links you mean, here on my page? Also, I think you are correct, "he was quoted" adds verbiage and a sense of doubt that is not warranted. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 22:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::: Hi Jayjg, been away, so just logged on and found your message. Hope you are well. The links are these: http://tegenlicht.vpro.nl/afleveringen/2010-2011/aanval-op-europa/de-vreemdeling.html and http://player.omroep.nl/?aflid=9617163 (originally hosted by a Dutch Muslim org NMO - now dissolved). Though Dutch, it still may fall under OR. If this was an article it would be easier to cite. But finding interviews (in english as KY is english speaking so only the background commentator are foreign languaged) and select statements (according to ones own subjective understanding) and then insert as "opposing view" is a concern. This interview is now sourcing everything that the other user deems "incorrect information", "inaccurate cherry-picked claims", "obviously mis-quoted or false views" and "a heavily biased, outdated and locally (Australia) dominant version". He actually held these preconcieved POVs prior to even having found "opposing" primary sources. In terms of objectivity, not a constructive approach for editing or good faith towards editors such as myself. We only report what reliable secondary sources say, as you know. Here we take an interview (OR) and pick statements we find will oppose the existing version. This is a BLP afterall, whether sources are Dutch are not. Even if this interview was on BBC online, we'd be careful, when citing views or controversy. In my previous search for sources I also found this . You see the problem? And the only heavily edited article to his credit is KY. ] (]) 07:36, 30 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| :Thanks! It's actually more, when you include deleted edits, but it's nice to be recognized. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 01:02, 18 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::I use the total at ]. They do not include deleted edits. If I may, on a side note (only to appease my curiosity and certainly not to stir the pot) why do we assume that User:Cincinatis is tagging Jews in the manner of yellow badges? Could it not be that he (Cincinatis) is proud of their Jewishness, as they seem to be, and is just adding pertinent information that the subject has self-expressed? We were all new at one time and entered rooms we were not ready for. ]<small>]</small> 05:51, 18 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::I'm not sure your premises are correct. Have the subjects all "self-expressed" pride in their Jewishness? As far as I can tell, only one of them has even mentioned it, and even then in an off-hand comment. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 17:15, 18 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| Since you are a long-term user of en.wikipedia.org, could you tell me why ] and ] are currently both redirect, and not a real article? ] (]) 22:29, 16 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :You created ] as a redirect yourself, two years ago. Perhaps you can explain that? ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 00:53, 18 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi Jayjg. There's something of a ] situation on the ] article that I'd appreciate your advice on and/or help with if possible. The details can be found ], but basically, a user has more or less outed himself as being intimately connected with the subject of the bio. He has alluded to the 'wishes' of the artist in question vis-a-vis the latter's Misplaced Pages entry (c.f. ), and otherwise appears to be speaking on behalf of/acting as an intermediary for the musician (viz. "Is there a way for Mocky to contact you? He'd be happy to tell you so himself" ). I'm disturbed by this obvious conflict of interest, but am unsure as to the common procedure under such circumstances. The user has been very aggressive in his edit summaries (call-outs, personal attacks, etc.), is knee-jerk reverting, replacing reliable sources with a blog link/SPS, and has intransigently refused to engage in discussion. Please advise. Kind regards, ] (]) 15:45, 17 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :It's dubious to label him as "Somali-Canadian", given that (according to the article) his mother is English, and his father was actually born in Yemen (it would be no issue if Mocky was born in Somalia and later gained Canadian citizenship). I would suggest first running this by the ] for their view on what description and sources are appropriate for this biography. You might also consider bringing the editor to ]. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 01:24, 18 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::Mocky's father was actually an ethnic Somali born in Yemen. That's why he has a typical Somali last name, "Salole" (e.g. ). The artist is also often identified as Somali-Canadian in reliable sources. For instance, in review in the '']''. To be honest, I think there's an even more pressing issue at hand than the ethnic designation in the lede; viz. the WP:COI situation. Thanks for the links & advice. ] (]) 17:16, 18 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::If you can find examples of Mocky describing himself that way, there would be no issue either. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 17:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| I believe the pattern of disruption is so egregious the user warrants a very long term block. ] (]) 21:15, 18 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :I had already brought these articles to AfD, even before your note. Were there any I missed? ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 21:18, 18 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'll continue to look. IMHO, the first step is shutting the user down. I have faith even if blocked we'll still be dealing with this dedicated disruptor. ] (]) 21:30, 18 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| Hey there, I think you should review the deletion for several reasons. First of all, the way your phrased it implies to me that you found it to be notable but since most people found it not notable you went with delete. But it's not a vote and that seems to be treating it as such. Secondly it was part of a mass nomination of articles related to the Richmond City Council that editors have been scrambling to rescue, and every other one looks like it will be successfully saved. Now having said that it doesn't necessarily bare weight if other things are kept but the point is that more time was needed. Also most of the delete votes were based on the articles previous state before the sourcing and copyediting was done by rescue. The sources for this woman are numerous and based on them she is generally notable and if anything she it notable for merger into the Richmond City Council or city of Richmond, California article. I would like you to reconsider your approach here and suggest the article be kept.] (]) 01:00, 21 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| :My comment wasn't that she met Misplaced Pages's notability requirements, I just assessed the arguments on the AfD page. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 16:03, 21 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::Sure biut my point is that I would like you to review this deletion and to reverse your decision on the matter. I believe the result was actually no consensus. Will you reverse the decision?] (]) 00:07, 22 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::I would like some review also. And please comment about ]. ] (]) 01:04, 22 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Shouldn't the discussion of a deletion review this article (which IMO, is clearly unwarranted; the article fails POLITICIAN and ANYBIO in spades) be discussed in a public forum so that people other than Lucifer may comment? ''''']]]<font color="#FF9900">≈≈≈≈</font>''''' 01:05, 22 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I stand by my close, but anyone is free to take any deletion to deletion review, if they wish. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 06:48, 22 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I really would rather not bother them with all that, as I think the content could easily be salvaged into the city council article. Is that something your willing to do? And for the record asking the closing admin on his <s>ram</s>talkpage is a procedural prerequisite for a deletion review as outlined on the deletion review steps, this is nothing but a man to man request and no public comment is warranted here.] (]) 08:03, 22 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Sorry, what do you mean by "the closing admin on his rampage"? Are you referring to me? ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 09:14, 22 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Please accept my apology that was meant to be "talkpage" but I must have had a Freudian slip that was directed at the nominator not at you. I think the mass nominations were a bit of a rampage but I hadn't even noticed I used that here and it seemed like an odd question and I had to reread.] (]) 22:08, 23 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::Understood, thanks for explaining. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 17:08, 26 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| I noticed you speedily deleted ] as per ]. I had thought about requesting speedy deletion for that reason, but instead re-nominated it as an AfD (]). Assuming there isn't a bot to do it automatically, could you close out or delete the AfD discussion on this article? Thanks for your help. --] (]) 16:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| Hey Jay. I took your lead and edited out the Hebrew & Yiddish at ], for consistency between the denominations. Cheers, ] (]) 04:30, 28 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
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| :I don't really care, but this isn't some tit-for-tat game where if one movement has no Hebrew name in the lede, then the others can't either. Reform Judaism is primarily an American phenomenon, with some strength elsewhere, and relatively little support in Israel. On the other other, Israel is the center of Orthodox Judaism in the world, with at least three times the Orthodox Jewish population and infrastructure (schools, synagogues, etc.) as the United States. Having a Hebrew name makes far more sense for Orthodox Judaism than for Reform Judaism. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 04:39, 28 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
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