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Should the article’s infobox reflect EF2/T4 or F3/T5-6? This question stems from the fact the infobox inputs can only accept a single set of values (i.e. EF2/T4 or F3/T5-6, not both). The EF2/T4 rating comes from a peer reviewed paper by ] and Stuart Robinson with the Haag Engineering Co. in the ] in August 2006. The F3/T5-6 rating comes from the ] (TORRO), the creators of the ], T-scale, .
A debate has been taking place about whether the weight apportioned to HIV prevention in the lead of the current version of the article is appropriate. The proposed methodology/methodologies for establishing relative weight of aspects of the topic have been discussed, as have aspects of some of the policies and guidelines governing such issues on Misplaced Pages. An impasse appears to be have been reached and outside input is sought. A new sub-thread titled '''RfC comments''' has been created for the purpose. ]<sup><small><font color="DarkGreen">]</font></small></sup> 04:22, 17 January 2012 (UTC)}}
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This is primarily an ] and ] dispute: Given that sources disagree as to which bodies are known beyond reasonable doubt to be dwarf planets (DPs), what should we do to ensure that, in the words of WP:RSN, "when reliable sources disagree, we document the dispute without taking sides"?


Since the infobox can only contain one set of the ratings, this discussion more or less needs to determine which source (Haag Engineering Co. or TORRO) should be the infobox source.
There are several articles involved:
*'''Option 1''' — EF2/T4 using the Haag Engineering Co. paper.
*This page, in the section ]: Should the tables be merged from 4 to 2, with coding to distinguish who accepts which bodies as dwarf planets? (Proposed mergers are given above.) Should the wording of the section and table titles be changed?
*'''Option 2''' — F3/T5-6 using the ] paper.


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*The nav box {{tl|Moons of dwarf planets}}: Should we list all five bodies that Brown, Tancredi, et al. accept as DPs and which have moons, or should we limit the box to the three accepted by the IAU? If five, how should we, or should we, distinguish the two sets? (The three are in the current version; the five are shown .)
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Should we have notability standards for individual tornado articles? We already have informal inclusion criteria for "Tornadoes of YYYY" articles. Below is a preliminary proposal for such criteria, with the hope that it can evolve into a formal guideline that can possibly be referenced in future AfD discussions.


] '''Previous discussions:''' ], ]
*The opening sentences of {{dp|Makemake}} and {{dp|Haumea}}: Is the Sheppard ''et al.'' citation enough to treat these "likely" bodies as having an intermediate degree of confidence between the "bonafide" DPs (Eris, Pluto, and Ceres) and the other four "likely" bodies accepted by Brown ''et al.''? Or is IAU acceptance and the majority of astronomers sufficient for us to say they "are" DPs without qualification?


This has been nagging at me for a while now, and since another editor has talked to me about this issue, I think we bring this up. Since we have a sort of "inclusion criteria" for "Tornadoes of YYYY" articles, I suggest we come up with notability criteria for individual tornadoes as well. See ] for what this may look like.
*The leads of the other four, {{dp|Sedna}}, {{dp|OR10}}, {{dp|Orcus}}, {{dp|Quaoar}}: These are accepted as DPs by Brown and others, but have not been addressed (nor accepted) by the IAU and are not generally called DPs by other astronomers. How best to word the leads to be NPOV and consistent with other DP and TNO articles. We are probably closer to agreement here.
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I believe the ] image must be removed from this page for copyright reasons, should it? If so what can be done to keep it from coming back?


As near as I can tell this article does not meet the non-free-use rationale associated with the ] image. The article is not about FreeBSD and the image is not used in association with FreeBSD. I removed this image once already, some time ago, but it has returned.


This is my very primitive way of determining the notability of several tornado articles I've written, and am hoping that it could be integrated into a refined set-in-stone WPW policy that could be used in actual AfDs. I'd assume that the table will be gotten rid of and turned into a list. This has been discussed in the past, but never really came to anything. Maybe it could be... ] (with it's own project page)? Starting an RfC, since obviously community input is needed. Also pinging {{ping|Departure–}}, who suggested this. :) ]<sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 18:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)}}
(It's too bad the image cannot be used, because it's perfect. Such is life.)
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Should the lead of the article mention alternatives that may affect cats not affected by catnip? ] <sup>]</sup> 13:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)}}
Since there is really no consensus above and everyone involved can agree on nothing, I ask for outside comment on whether the medians should be included.] ] 00:12, 5 January 2012 (UTC)}}
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I have serious doubts about the authenticity of the tornado image in the article, including whether it was truthfully even taken in Cookeville. The image mentions it was taken from Reddit, and searching the image on Reddit reveals a high level of skepticism even from users there. I propose that this image be discussed and potentially removed unless it can be otherwise proven that the picture was taken in Cookeville on March 3. ] (]) 19:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)}}
This list article currently requires that editors provide at least one specific quote showing that each included scientist has challenged the consensus regarding global warming. However, in a majority of cases, only a single source is used for each scientist on the list itself. This can be problematic from the standpoint of ], ], and ], as it can lead to cherry-picking and may not allow for appropriate context and weight.
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If this list is understood primarily a navigational aid, then problems of insufficient context are mitigated by the ability of readers to get more information from each scientist's biography. However, at present, there is no requirement that target biographies provide any discussion of climate change. As a means of establishing notability, we do require that the target biography already exist, but we have no requirements beyond simple existence. I'd like to propose that inclusion on this list further require that each scientist's biography elaborate on his or her views regarding climate change. This issue was raised in November (e.g. ]), with some people supporting stronger inclusion criteria, but no conclusion was reached. The main thrust of the opposition was that content here should not be dependent on the content of other wiki pages. Currently, there are two people on the list for whom there is no discussion at all of climate change in their biographies: ] and ]. A third, ], had been on this list despite no discussion of climate change in his article, but he was removed in November.

So what do people think, should we explicitly require that any scientist included on this list must have a discussion of their climate change views in their biography? ] (]) 05:23, 2 January 2012 (UTC)}}
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Should weak and unimpactful tornadoes be included in list articles? ] (]) 14:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)}}
Should the introduction to the article ] be amended to include the following reference to ]:
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Is there any merit in including a link to a google image search result as an example of ISO 2852 fittings? ] (]) 07:54, 31 December 2011 (UTC)}}
Is the blog ] in whole or in part, a ]? ] (]) 01:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)}}
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Which picture should be used in the lead?
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#Is the level of quotation from the resolution excessive (given similar considerations)?
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Should coordinates be included in highway articles? If so, how should this be done, in terms of 1) what points of the road should be tagged or how certain roads are tagged and 2) the style that the coordinates should be presented in? 01:25, 26 December 2011 (UTC)}}

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Talk:2005 Birmingham tornado

Should the article’s infobox reflect EF2/T4 or F3/T5-6? This question stems from the fact the infobox inputs can only accept a single set of values (i.e. EF2/T4 or F3/T5-6, not both). The EF2/T4 rating comes from a peer reviewed paper by Timothy P. Marshall and Stuart Robinson with the Haag Engineering Co. which was published in the American Meteorological Society in August 2006. The F3/T5-6 rating comes from the Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (TORRO), the creators of the TORRO scale, T-scale, published in this 2015 paper.

Since the infobox can only contain one set of the ratings, this discussion more or less needs to determine which source (Haag Engineering Co. or TORRO) should be the infobox source.

  • Option 1 — EF2/T4 using the Haag Engineering Co. paper.
  • Option 2 — F3/T5-6 using the TORRO paper.

The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Weather

Should we have notability standards for individual tornado articles? We already have informal inclusion criteria for "Tornadoes of YYYY" articles. Below is a preliminary proposal for such criteria, with the hope that it can evolve into a formal guideline that can possibly be referenced in future AfD discussions.

recycle Previous discussions: New tornado articles and the news, Proposal - Criteria for inclusion on Tornadoes of XXXX articles

This has been nagging at me for a while now, and since another editor has talked to me about this issue, I think we bring this up. Since we have a sort of "inclusion criteria" for "Tornadoes of YYYY" articles, I suggest we come up with notability criteria for individual tornadoes as well. See User:EF5/My tornado criteria for what this may look like.


This is my very primitive way of determining the notability of several tornado articles I've written, and am hoping that it could be integrated into a refined set-in-stone WPW policy that could be used in actual AfDs. I'd assume that the table will be gotten rid of and turned into a list. This has been discussed in the past, but never really came to anything. Maybe it could be... WP:NTORNADO (with it's own project page)? Starting an RfC, since obviously community input is needed. Also pinging @Departure–:, who suggested this. :) EF 18:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Catnip

Should the lead of the article mention alternatives that may affect cats not affected by catnip? Escape Orbit 13:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:2020 Cookeville tornado

I have serious doubts about the authenticity of the tornado image in the article, including whether it was truthfully even taken in Cookeville. The image mentions it was taken from Reddit, and searching the image on Reddit reveals a high level of skepticism even from users there. I propose that this image be discussed and potentially removed unless it can be otherwise proven that the picture was taken in Cookeville on March 3. United States Man (talk) 19:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Weather

Should weak and unimpactful tornadoes be included in list articles? Departure– (talk) 14:20, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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Is the blog Science-Based Medicine in whole or in part, a self-published source? Iljhgtn (talk) 01:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Earth

Which picture should be used in the lead?

Prior discussion:

WhatisMars (talk) 19:46, 5 December 2024 (UTC)


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