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==Regions== |
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== A better map? == |
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The clearest maps in thus article are one from the grim years of WWII and another of the climate zones with temperature charts included. The map of statistical regions is good but by design it lacks city names. I think it would improve the article to have a map showing major cities (especially Ljubljana) and showing enough of the neighboring nations to place it in Europe. I have seen such a map in the past, but cannot find it online now. |
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I don't think the Slovenian regions mentioned on this page are the official ones. I found two, not completely consistent lists: |
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Could someone who knows more (and who can read Slovenian) fix this? Are the regions named presently the historical regions? |
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] 09:24, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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: There's a bit of a problem here.. On one hand, we have the proposed regionalization by the government (still in preparation, mind you), which will most likely have 12 regions (like the World Gazeeter suggests), and on the other hand there are the historical regions, which are around 8 or 9. Let me just point out that the regions suggested at www.slovenia-tourism.si are not the historical regions, they are merely regions based on tourist offer and only partially follow historical regions. For example Notranjska and Primorska are fused together, while Northern Primorska and Western Gorenjska become the Julian Alps, etc. Unfortunately there is no accurate division of historical regions. The current division in the article is based on historical regions and I think is quite accurate, except for maybe Bela krajina (separate from Dolenjska according to some), Zasavje (a bit of a disputed area, partially in Štajerska, partially in Dolenjska) and Prekmurje (the Mura River basin is called Pomurje). ] 13:50, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) |
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The map in the info box serves mainly to show it is a small nation. Reading that map, it pays to know that already, to find the dark green bit that is Slovenia. |
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==Map of Slovenia== |
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Overall, this is an excellent article on a nation with a thriving present and a long and fascinating past. - - ] (]) 18:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC) |
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] the ] of Slovenia is really very much primitive and I am afraid that such map won't tell to occasional reader a lot. There are "only" ten "main" ] on it, no ], no ], no ], no ] and such. But I guess it would be just enough to put Slovenia on a ] map somewhere southern of, let us say, ]. What about the famous Kozler's map of Slovene ] at the fall of ]. It would certalnly clearly show how ] are disappearing from a ]. And in the end its borders are just old ] bolders from the former ] and the history still has to do a lot of things to define (once and for all) its present, past or future borders. Cheers. -- ] 2002.06.19 3 Wednesday (0) |
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==Slovene National Motto== |
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I am adding this text as a wake-me-up call. ] (]) 19:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC) |
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I think you are right about the motto Zocky. "Zive naj vsi narodi" means " God's blessing on all nations" and is the first line of the National Anthem not a motto. ] 14:36 Jan 22, 2003 (UTC) |
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: Yes. See ] for translation and related links. But since we're speaking about Slovene national motto and as ] said that Slovenia does not have any -- we can invent it hereby. Recently I've seen for a good one from the video of a song ''Od ljudi za ljudi'' (''From people for people'') of ] and goes like this: ''Solidarity is mega (--is cool)''. How does one motto come into one nation's reality in fact? I do not know. Someone said that ] are like ]s. It could be Adi Smolar's ]-like words from his song: ''Je treba delat''. (''The Work is a Must''). Any positive and truthful thought might work here, I guess. There might also be Prešeren's words from Zdravljica: ''žive naj vsi narodi'' all the same, since this great poem was in the same manner invented for the National anthem. I would like to hear some other proposals. And we have to have in mind that Slovenes are not like far Eastern thinkers, ]s, ]es and ]es. Simple peasant ] is 'the coolest' for them, ha, ha. Interesting topic, anyway. See ya. --] 03:24 Jan 24, 2003 (UTC) |
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Žive naj vsi narodi actually I'd prefere if there was no God in transaltion - it'd be more accurate = Let all nations live |
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'cause it goes like this: Žive naj vsi narodi, ki hrepene dočakat dan da koder sonce hodi, prepir iz sveta bo pregnan... |
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so it would go literary like this: Let all the nations which are craving to live the day whereever sun is (walking) showing, all conflicts of the world shall be banished... |
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I'll take the God part in consider while there is no mentioning of HIM in whole song and contents. |
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thnx for reading this ADDon :-) |
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BYE and HAPPY New Year! |
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==Proper English names for Slovene toponyms== |
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The city of Štore now links to absurd ]. Probably it should be redirected as <nowiki>]</nowiki> or <nowiki>]</nowiki>. Why ] wasn't Slovene or whoever invented the ] code? :-) ''Lep pozdrav.'' --] 16:03 May 7, 2003 (UTC) |
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: Štore municipality is now on the ]. Please proof-read that article so that we can use it as a template for other statistical data for Slovenian municipalities. --] 12:59, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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==November 1st== |
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Shouldn't "Dan spomina na mrtve" be translated as "Remembrance Day", not "All Soul's Day", which (a) is something else and (b) takes place on November 2nd? |
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--] 21:41 Nov 2, 2003 (CET) |
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I agree. November 1st is actually All Saint's day (not All Souls' Day) and what's more, it's not even called that officially. I also think that the list should distinguish state holidays from work-free days (christmas, easter, assumption), since they're not the same thing - national flag is flown on the 26th of December and, according to law, should NOT be flown on the 25th. |
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] 14:47, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC) |
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OK, I changed it. Any thoughts? ] 15:25, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC) |
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==European Union and Slovenia== |
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While Slovenia and other countries are going to join the ] on 1st May 2004, we are formally not there yet! So we should remove the page footer that lists candidates among EU members. --] 19:35, 3 Nov 2003 (UTC) |
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: Yes, Roman you're absolutely correct - but fairly speaking this is just ''a matter of time''. Accepting your proposal I've added EU enlargement instead of deleting the existing form, which is my invention. (Just think on that Montenegrin joke about a hydroelectric power station ... :>) We Europeans still need to learn a lot of European geography... I hope this is okay now. BR --] 13:30, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC) |
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==Initial classification== |
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It is somewhat amusing to see ''littoral'' being mentioned before ''pre-Alpine'' in the country's description... alphabetical sorting of adjectives, I guess? ;) --] 12:53, 18 Apr 2004 (UTC) |
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==La Francophonie== |
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I removed the box and added a text about the membership. It seems rather remote and not of to much importance for the understanding of Slovenia, rather would I return the ex-YU box, but that's still in discussion so let's leave it this way for now. ] 17:18, 20 May 2004 (UTC) |
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==Občine== |
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I also removed the Občine to a seperate article, they are just in they way if you wan't to get the basic facts at a glance ] 17:27, 20 May 2004 (UTC) |
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== SFRY == |
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], where did you reach the consensus about SFRY box? --] 16:48, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC) |
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== Head of state == |
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This article has the following paragraph: |
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: ''The Slovenian head of state is the president, who is elected by popular vote every 5 years. In his task as head of the executive branch, the president is aided by the prime minister and the council of ministers or cabinet, which are elected by parliament.'' |
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IMHO from above paragraph foreigners will gain wrong impression that it is the president who is ruling the country, while in fact Slovenia is parliamentary democracy and president has only representative role (unless there is a war, of course, in which case his/her role as the supreme commander of armed forces becomes important). Could this be rephrased? --] ] 11:36, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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:No need to rephrase. ] is a neutral expression which includes presidents and monarchs, ie. people with representative roles. ] is the leader of the executive branch (prime minister and in some countries the president). You can often read about international meetings of heads of states and governments. ] 13:28, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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:: Well, yes, there is a need to rephrase if the Slovenian head of state is ''not'' the head of government, as Romanm has implied. I'll go check ] and update accordingly. --] 14:11, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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:: The Constitution says e.g. that the President only ''promulgates'' laws. This is an executive branch of a parliamentary system, not a presidential system. --] |
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:::Sorry, I didn't correctly read the above sentence. Your version is of course correct. ] 15:57, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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== Recognition date == |
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Although some countries (e.g. Germany, Sweden, Iceland, if not mentioning Baltic states et al.) did it before, the then EU (12 members) in December 1991 agreed to recognise Slovenian (and Croatian) independence on January 15, 1992. They did so and many other world's countries followed on the same day or very soon after the date, with the USA and PR China being among the last ones (doing so in April). So, should January 15, 1992 be added to the Recognition under independence subsection. After all that date was (and still is) printed on the first Slovenian banknotes although they were issued about 8 months later or more. |
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== Misplaced Pages meetup 2005 in Ljubljana? == |
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I proposed that the ] should ]. Check out if interested. ] 18:24, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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== "The Erased" == |
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Now that it's been mentioned in the article, I think we need to clear this up. states that 18,305 people were erased, so the 10% of the population (200,000 people!) is exaggerated. The (Media and Public Relations Office of the Gov't) also states that around 18,000 people did not apply for citizenship and were therefore "erased". Although later on in the article it says that out of those 18,000, only around 4,000 still do not have did not regulate any status in Slovenia, others all either applied for citizenship later on or obtained a residence permit, either temporary or permanent. |
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Anybody want to share their view? ] 18:38, 1 May 2005 (UTC) |
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==New template== |
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New template has been created (copied from Commons): <nowiki>{{template:Slovenian flag}}</nowiki>. It appears like this: {{template:Slovenian flag}}. It works also by using: |
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*template:Slovene |
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*template:Slovenian |
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*template:Slovene flag. |
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Cheers! --] 16:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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== Subdivisions == |
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The article suggests, but does not state outright, that municipalities are currently the only administrative local government entities in the country. Is this true? Or is there something intermediate between the regions and the municipalities? ] ] 23:59, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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This is true. --]] ] 11:54, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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:Indeed, currently the primary and only division are municipalities. Administrative regions are soon to be established, but regionalization won't take place for a few years.. ] 12:12, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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== Slovenia was part of: ... == |
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I find this rather confusing. Slovenia was not the official name nor its short version of the territory more or less occupied by modern ''Republika Slovenija'' (RS) in all of the listed state entities (Kingdom of Yugoslavia, for instance, used the term of "Dravska banovina"). Plus, the list seems to start quite randomly and lacks certain entities. I guess a more detailed list, starting from the end of the WWI, would go sth like this: |
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- State of Slovenes, Croats, and Serbs (unrecognized) |
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- Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes (since dec. 1918) |
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- Kingdom of Yugoslavia (since jan. 1929) |
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- Democratic Federal Yugoslavia (since WWII) |
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- Federal People's Republic of Yugoslavia (since 1946) |
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- SFRY (since 1963) |
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But, is this really relevant, anyway? Perhaps it shoul be stated under the paragraph "history"? |
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The paragraph history contains wrong info on SFRJ, check ]. --] 23:39, 5 November 2005 (UTC) |
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== Removed links == |
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I removed the following links from this article: |
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* - general information on Slovenia and on tourism in Slovenia |
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* , interactive maps and aerial orthophoto, scale from 1:2.500.000 to 1:2.500 |
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* On this page you can find all the addresses in Slovenia (] GIS Public Service) |
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* On this page you can find information about Slovenia - tourism, business, etc. |
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If anyone has any objections, please let us know here, so that we can discuss this. --] (]) 14:47, 25 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:GeaBios is a relevant source for maps for Slovenia. The service is running 200GB of data in different web applications based on maps and vector data for the area and wider (Maps of different scales, orthophoto, digital terrain model). GPS navigation is included. About 500.000 addresses (complete address coding system - updated every year). About 120 pages in session Slovenia in Brief prepared for in the year 2002 (10.000 CD + Internet application) for Ministry of education, science and sport. See ] for more details.--] |
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:: The day I tested ], I only saw a logo of ] when I clicked magnifier, so I assumed it was bogus. Today I see that there really is a content beside the ], and I no longer object including it. --] (]) 12:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:I would leave the public libraries and all government links in. ] 16:04, 27 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:: All of the government links are available from that was left in the article. Information about public libraries can be obtained by using . I substituted the old link with this one. Is there some specific information that is missing in COBISS and present in the old page? IMHO we should keep the external links section as short as possible. --] (]) 12:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC) |
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== "Portal" position == |
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It should be higher, if not at the top, see ] for example. --] 07:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC) |
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:It was at the bottom in the ] article, and it didn't look good at the top of the article. The current solution is completely fine by me though. ] 20:11, 21 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Removed image == |
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I have removed the image Ljubljana_Franciscan_church.jpg from the section ''Economy''; it is completely unrelated to this topic. --] <sup>]</sup> 20:57, 20 March 2006 (UTC) |
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== Added image == |
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I've added an image of World Trade Center Ljubljana which is related to the economy of Slovenia. |
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] 30 March 2006 |
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: What is the source of this image? --] (]) 20:39, 30 March 2006 (UTC) |
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It's from the site of Slovenian Government. ] (]) 15:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC) |
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::Please, put the source on the image page. Also, try not to use name like ], maybe Ljubljana World Trade.jpg!?. --] 14:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC) |
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== ] == |
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Hello! Given ongoing discussions and recent edit warring – and with the hope of resolving this issue – ] to decide the rendition of the lead for the ] article. Please weigh in! ] | ] | 01:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC) |
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The clearest maps in thus article are one from the grim years of WWII and another of the climate zones with temperature charts included. The map of statistical regions is good but by design it lacks city names. I think it would improve the article to have a map showing major cities (especially Ljubljana) and showing enough of the neighboring nations to place it in Europe. I have seen such a map in the past, but cannot find it online now.
The map in the info box serves mainly to show it is a small nation. Reading that map, it pays to know that already, to find the dark green bit that is Slovenia.
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