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== Dog saliva ==

Dogs are a significant reservoir and source of zoonotic pathogens and infections from contact with dog saliva can result in serious infections, even necessitating amputations of legs and arms. See and . The general public is largely ignorant of this serious health issue so this article on dogs should mention that fact. I could add a note to this effect under the 'Health" section (since dogs spread diseases to each other through saliva as well as to humans) but perhaps it merits adding a new section on 'Dog Saliva'. Does anyone have an opinion on that? ] (]) 16:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

== Dewclaw section needs copyediting. ==

Many grammatical errors. As written:
“ A dog's dewclaw is the five digits in the dog's forelimb and hind legs. Dogs' forelimbs' dewclaws are attached by bone and ligament, while the dogs' hind legs' are attached by skin to the limb.”

Probably should read “Dewclaw<u>s</u> <u>are</u> a <u>dog’s</u> <u>fifth</u> digits. <u>Dewclaws on the forelimbs</u> are attached by bone and ligament, while the <u>dewclaws on the</u> hind legs are attached <u>only by skin</u>.”

Some technical errors, however. Dewclaws are the first digits - not the fifth - in standard comparative anatomy notation. Even better would be:
“Dewclaws are digits, corresponding to thumbs and big toes in humans, (though not functionally so). They are located above the other four toes, on the inside (medial) side of the limb. Dewclaws on the forelimbs are attached by bone and ligament, while the dewclaws on the hind legs are attached only by skin.” ] (]) 22:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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== Health conditions ==

Currently the disorders listed are selected by users based on preference/belief rather than based on any authoritative source. I personally don't think elbow dysplasia is very common or notable for example. I do have a tertiary source: <ref name="disorders">{{cite book |last1=Gear |first1=Robyn |editor1-last=Cooper |editor1-first=Barabara |editor2-last=Mullineaux |editor2-first=Elizabeth |editor3-last=Turner |editor3-first=Lynn |title=BSAVA Textbook of Veterinary Nursing |date=2020 |publisher=British Small Animal Veterinary Association |pages=532–595 |chapter=Medical disorders of dogs and cats and their nursing}}</ref> although it has so many conditions listed it might be exhaustive/too much. Other options would be one of these studies: although these tend to ignore notable conditions such as ] ] (]) 06:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC) ] (]) 06:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
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== chondrodysplasia (dwarfism) and dachshund and corgi ==

This claim is dubious and almost certainly untrue. Chondrodysplasia causes more than just shortened legs and the health effects would be disadvantageous to any working breed. Historical depictions of dachshunds including a taxidermied specimen show a lack of the trait. It is certainly a modern trait bred for appearance and show. I am unaware of what the source states but I am looking for one which dates when the condition first started being bred for. ] (]) 20:24, 12 October 2024 (UTC)


:{{reply to|Traumnovelle}} The cited source seems reliable. It says:
==Style==
:{{tqb|text=Selective breeding has dwarfed the size of the Dachshund’s skeleton, reducing the limb bones and enlarging the joints. Dwarfing, on the other hand, retains all of the skeleton’s normal anatomical relationships, but reduces the lengths of the long limb bones and enlarges the joints. Both dwarfism and miniaturization are natural occurences, which have been accentuated through our intervention in dog breeding. (pp. 38-39, cited range) For the last 100 years they have been bred as “earth dogs,” the standard size being willing and able to follow badgers and foxes to earth, with the miniature version doing the same with rabbits. (p. 184, "Dachshunds") Watch your ankles when you are near a Cardigan Welsh Corgi. This robust working dog is an instinctive “heeler,” which originally drove livestock by nipping at its heels; it was built low enough to the ground to avoid flailing hooves. (p. 229, "Cardigan Welsh Corgi")
I have no clue if I am doing this right. Anyway, I am shocked at the writing style of this article. Is there no one who oversees such things at WP? Let's examine the opening:
:}}
:Here are some other sources on Dachshunds:
:* "{{tq|This means that for the longest time, domestic dogs had the potential for dwarfism, which was independently maintained and nurtured by breeders all over the world. Originally, they were shaped for specific jobs like flushing out burrowing animals. Later on, breeders would have kept imposing strong evolutionary pressure on their animals to meet the conditions set by dog-breeding associations. }}"
:* "{{tq|The Dachshund’s long body, short legs and flexible spine make it ideal for wriggling into tight spaces to follow badgers and other burrowing, according to the author of “Dachshunds for Dummies.” The breed’s short legs give it other advantages, such as the ability to move briskly through thick brush, to dig holes and to catch and follow a scent due to its closeness to the ground.}}"
:* "{{tq|The Dachshund Club of America claims that the dachshund dog breed was born in Germany when foresters in the 18th or 19th century were seeking out a dog breed that could fearlessly fight badgers. The dachshund has the perfect conformation for the task. His short paddle-shaped legs could effectively dig while his long, low-to-the ground body could easily access the burrows. The rest is offered by a dachshund’s courageous, temperament, loud bark (so hunters could easily locate him) and well-developed senses, which make him particularly suitable for the task. There is also belief that this breed’s long, sturdy tail must have worked as a “handle” to pull these fellows out of the burrow.}}"
:* This explanation goes back at least to Will Judy's 1925 ''''.
:] (]) 23:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
::I would say that source doesn't support the claim: 'dwarfism has been selectively used for some types where short legs are '''advantageous''''. Being bred smaller is different to being bred for dwarfism. Dwarfism is not advantageous for a hunting breed and I've found mention in a study that working Dachshunds have lower rates of IVDD, a disease that is often caused by chondrodysplasia and for which Dachshunds make up the plurality of cases. I wouldn't put any weight into what the author of 'Dachshunds for Dummies' writes and fancier clubs should be disregarded, they promote all manner of ahistoric rubbish to promote their breeds.
::'Funquist and Henricson state that wire-haired dachshunds are less often affected because they are used in hunting.'<ref>{{cite journal | last=Verheijen | first=Jeannette | last2=Bouw | first2=J. | title=Canine intervertebral disc disease: A review of etiologic and predisposing factors | journal=Veterinary Quarterly | publisher=Informa UK Limited | volume=4 | issue=3 | year=1982 | issn=0165-2176 | doi=10.1080/01652176.1982.9693852 | pages=125–134}}</ref>
::Although I'm unable to find a veterinary source that directly contradicts the idea it can quite easily be proven false by just looking at historical depictions of ] which show dogs that are quite clearly not chondrodysplastic like the modern breed. ] (]) 00:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC) ] (]) 00:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
:::I still don't believe the issue is addressed. Working dogs were bred to have shorter legs but they certainly weren't bred to have dwarfism, same for ], it is a modern trait bred for appearance and style. It impairs function so the idea it was introduced to improve function is dubious. ] (]) 01:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
::::{{reply to|Traumnovelle}} What time period are you thinking this change occurred where dachshunds began to be bred for dwarfism (rather than just a small size)? If I come across sources on the general topic, I'll try to post back here. "advantageous" really was a step beyond the cited the source, but I think the material in the article is now summarizing what the cited source says. ] (]) 02:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::Actually nevermind the issue is addressed, my apologies. ] (]) 04:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::It's all good, ] (]) 16:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)


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"The domestic dog (a union of Canis lupus familiaris and Canis lupus dingo) is a subspecies of the gray wolf (Canis lupus), a member of the Canidae family of the mammilian order "Carnivora". The term is used for both domesticated and feral varieties."


== 75 restricted breeds in the US is dubious ==
By "the term", I suppose he means "dog", however, the preceding sentence has used many terms, "domestic dog" being in bold. Obviously that term cannot refer to the feral variety. This is simply sloppy writing. Further:


I found this claim dubious, the AKC recognises slightly more than 200 breeds so this would represent a large amount of breeds. I looked at the source, which cites the AKC, who cite this: this is not a reliable source and I can spot an obvious error quite quickly. The ''Alsatian Shepherd'' is listed a banned breed. This is not a breed, the ''Alsatian Shepherd'' is an older name for the ''German Shepherd Dog'' which is later listed. Another example is the ], an alternate name for the Australian Cattle Dog. ] (]) 00:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
"The word "dog" may also mean the male of a canine species, as opposed to the word "bitch" for the female of the species"


:I've replaced with an MDPI source. MDPI is okay here for basic and easily verifiable facts. I chose not to focus on specifics as that would lead to a focus on whatever country/area was chosen. ] (]) 00:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Better: "Dog" may also refer to the male of any species of the family Canidae, with "bitch" referring to the female.
::@] That source is fine. I think it's valuable to avoid counting the breeds because it's a number that is subject to change, debatable, and easy to misinterpret. In the sense that the laws specified 75 breeds to ban, that sounds likely (e.g. banning every possible way to name any type of a bulldog as a list of "breeds"). If a source draws any kind of broad strokes on what types of breeds (my assumption is size and association with dogfighting), I think that may be useful. ] (]) 04:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)


== DYK nomination ==
Continuing, "The present lineage of dogs was domesticated from gray wolves about 15,000 years ago. Domesticated dogs have been found in Siberia and Belgium from about 33,000 years ago in two localized but separate instances of domestication. "


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Doesn't anyone see that these sentences contradict each other? Was it 15,000 or 33,000? The second sentence also itself has problems. If the instances from Siberia and Belgium were localized, it follows that they were separate, so "but" makes no sense.


== "Female dog" or "bitch"? ==
The rest of the article is as poor as the opening. I think this is probably a frequently visited article and is an embarrassment for WP. It should be overhauled. ] (]) 14:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


{{u|Traumnovelle}}, why change "female dog" to "bitch"? Does that not go against ], "{{tq|Some topics are necessarily technical: however, editors should seek to write articles accessible to the greatest possible number of readers. Minimize the use of jargon}}? ] (]) 02:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
== What about cats? ==


I think a section about dogs vs cats should be made, considering these are both popular pets. You should compare the pros and cons of each. ] (]) 13:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC) :Bitch is not a jargon term, it is a term in common parlance. I don't see how it can qualify as jargon but ] doesn't. ] (]) 03:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
:I work in the veterinary field, and "Bitch" is the correct veterinary term for a female dog. It is not derogatory when used in this context. ] (]) 07:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
:I do not consider "bitch" jargon any more than, for example, "bull" or "cow", or "stallion" or "mare". It is not as common only because of its secondary vulgar meaning - much like "ass" often is avoided even when speaking of that animal. That said, I have no strong opinion on whether to use "bitch" or "female dog" throughout the article; the two are interchangeable. ] (]) 12:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
::The specific terminology of the veterinary field is jargon, by the very definition of the term. It would be highly unusual for someone outside the veterinary field to refer to a female dog as a bitch, unless making a joke or trying to get a rise out of someone. ] (]) 01:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:::It is not jargon. The term is not just used in the veterinary field: it is used in everyday vernacular by many English-speaking groups outside the US (to refer to the animal), not to mention breeders, kennels, dog shows, conservation departments, farmers, and many other specialized groups. It cannot be "jargon" when used throughout the populace. Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would try to argue that it is jargon: I've never seen anyone try to claim a term referring to the male or female of any species is jargon, except here. So let's be honest: it's likely this is a straw man argument, at least for some, who wish to remove the term because of its alternative derogatory meaning. And, I see no need to use it when it's a synonym for "female dog". But there's no compelling reason to avoid it either. ] (]) 03:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Again, the specific terminology of "specialized groups" is, by definition, jargon. ] (]) 14:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Again, the specific terminology of "everyday vernacular" is, by definition, not jargon. ] (]) 14:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::If you read the comment that I was responding to, you will see that the word was "everyday vernacular" used by "specialized groups," not the public. ] (]) 00:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::I WROTE that comment. Read it again. You misunderstood it. ] (]) 01:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Is ewe or mare jargon? I would argue most of these terms are less commonly recognised (esp. in an urban population) but are still used in the relevant Misplaced Pages article instead of the queer 'females'. ] (]) 04:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Just because ignorant people use a word as a derogatory term does not negate that fact that the word is correct when used in the proper context. The word "cock" has profane usage, but that does not change the fact that it means a male chicken. It also has a different, non-profane meaning in reference to firearms. One could go on with terms like "ass", "pussy" and "Jesus Christ" which have both profane and non-profane usage. ] (]) 05:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Insulting members of the public by calling them "ignorant people" doesn't help your case. Misplaced Pages is written for the public. That's why we don't use specialized language, such as the language you use as a member of the veterinary profession. Stop looking down your nose at those of us who don't have veterinary training. ] (]) 14:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Interesting that you are concerned about the "public" when your comments are US-centric. The term is much more commonly used outside of the US, to refer to the female animal. ] (]) 14:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Interesting that you would jump to the conclusion that my comments are US-centric. I am not American, none of my ancestors are American, and I have never lived in the United States. Regardless, the rule here is that we use a form of English understandable throughout the English speaking world, even in the United States. ] (]) 00:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
:Just to note ] and ] naturally introduce the respective terms and then use them. It would be easy to include into the lead as either terminology or naturally introduced. ] (]) 19:08, 2 November 2024 (UTC)


== Mistaken interpretation of path to domesticity ==
I think it is absurd to have 2 contradictory facts on wikipedia, on the 'cats' page it is stated that dogs hear from beginning from 67hz, while on the dogs page it says 40 hz, which is actually more acute then a felines stated 44hz, which is obviously false.] (]) 00:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


The sentence 'the dog is a domestic animal that likely travelled a commensal pathway into domestication (i.e. dogs neither benefited nor got harmed)' does not interpret the referenced sources correctly. A commensal relationship is on in which one animal derives benefit and the other derives neither benefit nor harm. The referenced source says, "free-ranging wolves attracted to the refuse generated by human camps most likely followed a commensal pathway to domestication that was neither deliberate nor directed." In this description, the proto-dogs did benefit by being able to eat human refuse, while humans in this initial phase of the relationship were neither benefitted nor harmed. The sentence would be more accurate if it said somethin like, 'the dog is a domestic animal that likely travelled a commensal pathway into domestication (i.e. dogs benefited from eating the refuse of human camps while humans neither benefitted nor got harmed)' ] (]) 03:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
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:I've done a slightly reworded version of your suggestion. Thanks for catching that. For less-watched pages, you can also used the template listed at ] to propose suggestions to locked articles, ] (]) 23:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
:Sources differ in what they say about hearing frequency ranges, among other things. Both articles should probably note that sources differ. Both articles should and do cite supporting sources (see e.g., -- one of the supporting sources cited by this article, which itself has something to say about differences between other sources). ] speaks to handling of cases where ] have significant differences. ] speaks to verifiability, and to verifiability vs. perceived factualness. Other project pages have some bearing on this. See also ] and ]. ] ] <small>(earlier ''Boracay Bill'')</small> 01:38, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2024 ==
"Compare the pros and cons" of dogs and cats as pets?? Pros and cons according to who? That would be a very subjective, POV list, and it has no place in an encyclopedia. It would be more appropriate in a pet-owner's or homeowner's guidebook. ] (]) 18:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


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== Social intellegence ==
Here’s a submission that follows Misplaced Pages’s edit request guidelines:


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In the intellegence section it is stated that "The domestic dog has a predisposition to exhibit a social intelligence that is uncommon in the animal world." It should be considered exchanging the phrase social intellegence for social skills (which is correct anyway) as social intellegence is part of MI(Multiple intellegences)-theory which seems to be a minority view within the field of intellegnce research. The majority view seems to be that Social intellegence (along with other intellegences within MI-theory) in reality are mental skills incorrectly dubbed as intellegence although it has no psycologic conection with g (general intellegence factor).


**Edit Request**
I know it is not really important but still worth fixing. Thanks for listening.
*Section:* "Senses" under "Anatomy and Physiology"


Suggested Text Addition:
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Add the following paragraph after the sentence: "This sense of smell is the most prominent sense of the species; it detects chemical changes in the environment, allowing dogs to pinpoint the location of mating partners, potential stressors, resources, etc."


> "In addition to detecting environmental cues, a dog's highly developed olfactory system can recognize specific volatile organic compounds (VOCs) associated with various human diseases. This ability allows trained dogs to identify conditions such as cancer, diabetes, and even infectious diseases like COVID-19, making them valuable as non-invasive diagnostic aids. Studies have shown that dogs’ disease-detection capabilities often match or exceed the sensitivity of some electronic diagnostic methods."
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::I '''agree''' with your proposed change.] (]) 23:51, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


Source:
== "An Australian Shepherd-Beagle mix displaying mastery of the "sit" command" photo ==
1. Jendrny et al. (2021). "Canine olfactory detection and its relevance to medical detection." *BMC Infectious Diseases*, 21:838. DOI: (https://doi.org/10.1186/s12879-021-06523-8). This study reviews dogs' ability to detect specific diseases through VOCs and discusses diagnostic accuracy that is sometimes greater than electronic methods.


This addition highlights the functional and diagnostic significance of the canine olfactory system, enhancing the existing information in the "Senses" section. ] (]) 00:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Although the dog in this photo was labelled as an Australian Shepherd-Beagle mix, I actually believe this to be a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever (or Toller) for short. The shape of the ears and face, the colouring and white markings, as well as the slightly longer hair on the back of the front legs are all indicative of the Toller breed. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:05, 28 November 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:{{not done}} - 1, we can't accept LLM (that is, AI) generated text, and 2, the idea that dogs can detect COVID is a controversial medical claim and would require very strong sourcing. - ] (]) 01:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
== "Domestic dog" ==


== Should "''Canis lupus''" come first? ==
This article begins with "domestic dog" rather than simply "dog". It then says "this term is used for both feral and pet varieties". Is this to say that feral dogs are still considered "domestic"? Seems confusing to me. ] (]) 13:37, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
:Your right, it is confusing. It's like a zebra is a wild horse, and an ] is a wild dog. So to distinguish from these, we call the common animals "domestic horse" and "domestic dog", even when they go feral or even wild, to distinguish them from other species. So we have feral domestic dogs, truely wild "dogs" that aren't true dogs, like coyotes and such, and truely wild true dogs like dingoes that are still "domestic dogs". Whew! ] (]) 15:07, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


The very beginning of the intro says "The dog ('''''Canis familiaris''''' or '''''Canis lupus familiaris''''') is...."
The dingo article starts by distancing them from dogs. I've replaced domesticated form to subspecies here in the dog article. I'd like to see what all think about removing the first mention of C lupus dingo from the stating sentence. I think this should be addressed in the main body of the article since there is controversy about where to place dingos, Carolina dogs, etc. Discuss please.] (]) 05:32, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
From what I can tell, both from this article's Taxonomy section and from the Integrated Taxonomic Information System (ITIS; itis.gov), ''Canis lupus familiaris'' is the accepted classification. Some experts disagree, preferring ''Canis familiaris'', but apparently the accepted one is ''Canis lupus familiaris''. Shouldn't the latter come first at the beginning of the intro? ] (]) 04:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)


:ITIS actually lists both forms. I can see that by looking at the taxonbar at the bottom of the page. From there I can also see that a majority of the more well respected taxa databases seem to prefer ''C. familiaris'' to ''C. l. familiaris''. So no, I can't support this suggestion. - ] ] 12:22, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:I like what you've done, but I'm not sure we should do exactly as you suggest. I will try to clarify based on what you've said, but the simple fact is that experts (at least ]) list both ''C.l.dingo'' and ''familiaris'' as subspecies, but note that ''Canis lupus'' includes "the domestic dog" as one subspecies consisting of these two taxa. That's just the way the dog is defined by mammology these days. It was simpler when wolves and dogs were separate species and the dingo was a subspecies of dog, but in my opinion, but experts don't listen to Misplaced Pages usersnames like me. ] (]) 06:00, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


== Typo fix ==
:I agree with you and I think we should follow ] to avoid as much confusion as possible. It's already confusing enough. I'm just thinking we should move the reference to the dingo to the body of the article. I'm not certain it helps much at the start of the article esp since its a dog article. ] (]) 09:29, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


I'm not meeting requirements to edit semi-protected articles, so I write here that someone else can do a minor-edit fix:
I like very much what you did in the current version ]. I still think we should avoid Dingo in the opening statements and stick with the familiar dog. We can insert the Dingo in the body of the article and of course the scientific classification lists them as a subspecies and is right there for everyone to see as well. You cannot even get the experts to agree on exactly what the Dingo is. And of course there are 'wild' dingoes and 'domesticated' dingoes. Of course the same applies to the grey wolf with some nuances for both. Just a thought and I certainly don't feel strongly about it.] (]) 12:42, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:I concur; ''C. l. dingo'' should not be in the lead--it's too jarring. Pure dingos may already be extinct anyway. ] (]) 15:36, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
::I could eliminate what's in the parentheses from the lead, but we can't as much as we might wish we could go back to the days when the domesticated dog was just one taxon because it has two I'm sorry that's the way it is. C.l.dingoes are dogs, too. See ] or ], which is not the same as the article ]. ] (]) 15:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
:::By ], we can. It doesn't have to be in the lead, maybe just the infobox and somewhere further down. Also, the scientific consensus on dingos as a seperate subspecies is not strong. ] (]) 23:10, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
::::We are putting the weight on ], which is what we do on Misplaced Pages. If we are going to say that there is only one taxon that means domestic dog, C.l.familiaris only, and that C.l.dingoes are not also dogs, we're going to have to find some other reference of greater "weight" to use than the one we're using. If we are going to continue to use this reference, we have to faithfully report what it says. ] (]) 00:20, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::We deviate from the MSW3; ]. ] (]) 13:43, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


At the "]" paragraph have a look at last words.
I'm not advocating we deviate away from normal conventions. Right now there is no reason to argue about how to classify Dingoes. My point is why even have the reference to dingoes right up front. The article is about the dog. There is a separate article about the Dingo as there should be. And I see no problem with discussing the dingo some in the article about the dog somewhere. I also am perceiving some possible confusion in the classification and how it reflects on the dog article. The dog is a subspecies of Canis lupus. The Dingo is also a subspecies of Canis lupus but the wolf, dog and dingo are different enough to be separate distinct entities. There are political and conservation nuances in discussing C lupus dingo as a domestic dog. Some of this is purely scientific arising from the fact they were a form of domesticated lupus at one time. Some comes from factions wanting to eliminate the dingo in certain areas or at least limit their impact on other domestic animal esp sheep etc. If they are considered domestic dogs then they can poison them etc. Considering them as non-dogs leads to giving them protected status and that's another issue with its own problems and solutions.
"the kagu, in New Caledonia.". The linked word "kagu" needs to be edited to have an uppercase K-letter. ] (]) 11:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)


:@] just did it, thanks for pointing that out! <span style="font-family: Arial; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">] ]</span> 11:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
There is no complete census on exactly what the dingo is. So my point is there is no need to tie the dog together with the dingo at the beginning of the article and give the appearance they are both domesticated dogs. I think the issue is confusing enough without giving the perception dingoes are unequivocally 'just' domesticated dogs when that's just not the case.] (]) 08:39, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
::I've undone this. ] uses lowercase. ] (]) 20:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Ah okay, my bad! <span style="font-family: Arial; padding: 2px 3px 1px 3px;">] ]</span> 01:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)


== poorly worded statement about pet/feral dog percentage ==
:We have made substantial changes already to simplify the lead (lede). Please read it again, I hope you'll agree it's better. Dingoes are dogs, and other ] such as the Thai dog and such are very ordinary dogs. The citation says what the lead says and what our article ] says, just to name one. I will try to simplify the lead again in responce to what you're saying but we can't say that dog=C.l.familiaris when actually domestic dog = both ''familiaris'' and ''dingo''. Just because a dog is feral or even totally wild and integrated into the ecosystem doesn't mean it's not still a dog anymore. Dingoes are dogs. ] (]) 14:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


In the article it says:
:I respectfully disagree. Both the dog and dingo are subspecies of the grey wolf. Not everyone agrees that dogs=dingoes. There is certainly enough differences to make them separate subspecies. Dingoes are not classified as familiaris at this point in time. What you are saying is akin to saying Neanderthals=sapiens sapiens.] (]) 11:38, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
"In developed countries, around 20% of dogs are kept as pets, while 75% of the population in developing countries largely consists of feral and community dogs."


To me, this reads as potentially implying that 80% of dogs in developed countries are free-ranging, which is clearly wrong.
::Citation says "domestic dog" subspecies of ''Canis lupus'' is defined as '']'' + ''Canis lupus familiaris'', so while you are right that dogs=dingoes is not correct and that dingoes are not considered "familiaris" at this time, experts do agree that dingoes are dogs that have gone feral or wild over much but not all of their range.
::We can disagree with that, but it's what this citation says. If we want to say something otherwise, we'll need to change the citation to one that says otherwise. ] (]) 21:05, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


Suggestion:
== Incorrect Link ==
Flag as needing a citation or just plain remove it. ] (]) 22:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)


:I disagree with that; however, the source clearly states 'If one assumes that all of the pet dogs in developed countries
About 2/3 of the way down the page, under "Differences from wolves/Physical characteristics" it says "Further information: Wolves" but when you click on the hotlink "Wolves" you are taken to a page on an English football club, the Wolverhampton Wonderers. Can this link be fixed to direct users to a page on the animal? ] (]) 15:07, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
:are restricted they would represent 17–24% of the dogs worldwide' which instead means that 17-24% of dogs worldwide are from developed countries. ] (]) 23:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
:Fixed.--] (]) 17:45, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


== Temporal range in Infobox? ==
== Earlier domestication events ==


The top of the infobox says "'''Temporal range: 0.0142–0 ]'''". without any clarification. The link sends the reader to ], which is just confusing. Something needs to be fixed. <span style="font-family:cursive">]]</span> 00:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
It appears that http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0022821 there was an earlier domestication of dogs prior to the last Ice Age. It seems that whenever humans entered the range of the grey wolf they dometicated them. I have adjusted the article to emphasize the point that what we have managed to uncover with DNA tests on living dogs only informs us about the ''present lineage'' of domestic dogs. Here are some notions to help guide further changes to the article;
*The ''idea'' of a domesticated dog is older than the dog itself.
*The Belgium and now Altai finds of the ealier lineage c. 35,000 ybp of domesticated wolves shows that wolves are predisposed to domestication.
*The earlier domestication happened during the last warm period, in Eurasia. It seems that people find dogs most useful in non-Ice Age climes and climates, (in other words, not Africa and not for large game animals).
*It may be that the last Ice Age wiped out the older lineage of dogs.
*As far as I know, the oldest cave painting of a dog is only 14,000 years old.
In any case, the lay media's characterization of the finds to mean that present dogs had many domestication events spread out over thousands of years is not supported. Please don't edit that into the article! ] (]) 18:51, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


:It sends the reader to the section of ] that describes what the abbreviation Ma means, and right below it is "Late Pleistocene to present" with a citation that should give more information. It's a little more obvious in articles like ] where the geological age is placed first and the time period bar is actually visible. ]] 01:30, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Actually the current thinking is there were multiregional domestication events as early as 33,000 years ago. This would have preceded the Last Glacial Maximum. It is not thought those lineages survived the event. The genetic and morphological evidence is at times at odds so the entire picture is just not there for us to clearly understand the big picture yet. However, it's clear the wolf was domesticated as early as 33,000 years ago in Europe and Siberia, there are probably some morphological changes suggesting domestication which were not, we do not have an understanding of a transitory species between wolf and dog, and genetics and anatomy are somewhat at odds right now.


== Which Is is? ==
The entire section on evolution and history really needs to be rewritten and will have to be updated fairly often to stay current. ] (]) 01:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
This article says the domestication of dogs began around 14,000 years ago. The article on the domestication of dogs says it happened over 30,000 years ago. Which is it? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Dog saliva

Dogs are a significant reservoir and source of zoonotic pathogens and infections from contact with dog saliva can result in serious infections, even necessitating amputations of legs and arms. See The Shocking reason that this man's legs had to be amputated: dog saliva and A Woman Needed Her Hands and Legs Amputated After Contracting Infection from Dog 'Kisses'. The general public is largely ignorant of this serious health issue so this article on dogs should mention that fact. I could add a note to this effect under the 'Health" section (since dogs spread diseases to each other through saliva as well as to humans) but perhaps it merits adding a new section on 'Dog Saliva'. Does anyone have an opinion on that? Nick Nitpicker (talk) 16:29, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Dewclaw section needs copyediting.

Many grammatical errors. As written: “ A dog's dewclaw is the five digits in the dog's forelimb and hind legs. Dogs' forelimbs' dewclaws are attached by bone and ligament, while the dogs' hind legs' are attached by skin to the limb.”

Probably should read “Dewclaws are a dog’s fifth digits. Dewclaws on the forelimbs are attached by bone and ligament, while the dewclaws on the hind legs are attached only by skin.”

Some technical errors, however. Dewclaws are the first digits - not the fifth - in standard comparative anatomy notation. Even better would be: “Dewclaws are digits, corresponding to thumbs and big toes in humans, (though not functionally so). They are located above the other four toes, on the inside (medial) side of the limb. Dewclaws on the forelimbs are attached by bone and ligament, while the dewclaws on the hind legs are attached only by skin.” 2601:206:8586:7990:ACDA:A385:FF91:3C22 (talk) 22:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

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GA Review

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Nominator: Wolverine XI (talk · contribs) 16:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Irruptive Creditor (talk · contribs) 16:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)


This will probably the longest and most extensive GA-nominee I will have the pleasure of reviewing, so this may take some time. However, I will work to see it through. Irruptive Creditor (talk) 16:01, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this on. Wolverine XI 17:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

I tagged unsourced and poorly sourced parts of the health section. I may be able to source them myself. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:51, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Your edit was totally uncalled for. Wolverine XI 20:26, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Tagging unsourced content that appears to be sourced due to later citations is uncalled for? Traumnovelle (talk) 20:29, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Please provide the freaking proof. Wolverine XI 20:31, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
This paragraph 'Some breeds of dogs are prone to specific genetic ailments such as elbow and hip dysplasia, blindness, deafness, pulmonic stenosis, a cleft palate, and trick knees. Two severe medical conditions significantly affecting dogs are pyometra, affecting unspayed females of all breeds and ages, and gastric dilatation volvulus (bloat), which affects larger breeds or deep-chested dogs. Both of these are acute conditions and can kill rapidly. Dogs are also susceptible to parasites such as fleas, ticks, mites, hookworms, tapeworms, roundworms, and heartworms that can live in their hearts' is sourced to this: The only thing this source can verify is the bolded part. The reference clearly does not support the rest of that content hence why I tagged it. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:35, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
What about the other sentences you tagged? Wolverine XI 20:43, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
I'm meant to spend my time proving that for every tag instead of you just verifying it for yourself if you don't believe me? Traumnovelle (talk) 20:50, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Man, it's late here; I'm too tired to verify these sources. I can't check them tomorrow morning either, since I have to head to work early. And I'll be very busy with paperwork by the time I arrive home, so I think it's best you stop talking and start proving. Wolverine XI 21:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
But if you wish to fix the "perceived" sourcing issues, you may. I'm not stopping you. Wolverine XI 21:08, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Oh great scare quotes. You're acting like you own this article and that I am required to satisfy you. Misplaced Pages is collaborative and that means trusting editors unless you have good reason to doubt them. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:10, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
Trust is earned not given away to anyone. Wolverine XI 21:23, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
In a collaborative project like this, one generally starts with at least some confidence that other participants are acting in good faith. The Morrison Man (talk) 21:42, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
 Done with the sourcing issues, and apologies to Traumnovelle for my less than collaborative behavior. Wolverine XI 03:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Where does this study: say that certain breeds are predisposed to hip dysplasia? It just states ' CHD is a disease that can affect all breed types, with a higher frequency occurring in purebred canines, and does not discriminate against a specific breed size.' it doesn't support the statement. This study: doesn't mention cleft palate, stenosis, blindness, deafness, nor luxating patellas. The reference is also used for a claim about pyometra. The study just mentions pyometra twice in a graph and GDV isn't mentioned at all. Pyometra is mentioned in this study: but it doesn't establish it as occurring at any age (because it is related to the oestrous cycle). states GDV mainly and commonly affects deep chested and large breeds, not exclusively. this study has nothing to do with over-population. I tagged the ASPCA claim because there needs to be a secondary source
Also Dogtime is not an RS, I have no idea why you added it there was no need for an extra ref there. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:25, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Why don't you fix them yourself? The sources I added support the claims made in that section. I will not respond further. Wolverine XI 03:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
They certainly don't. I've fixed some claims myself and have been looking through text books for one that provides a list/overview of notable/common conditions, although haven't come across such yet. Traumnovelle (talk) 07:38, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
While I kindly appreciate your input, @Traumnovelle, you and @Wolverine XI appear to be in some sort of a spat that’d probably best addressed on the main talk page for the Dog article, not its GA review. Pleasant editing, Irruptive Creditor (talk) 09:26, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
I will nonetheless keep a close eye on any relevant new developments arising therefrom such discourse. Irruptive Creditor (talk) 09:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Great! Wolverine XI 02:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
@Irruptive Creditor: You there buddy? Wolverine XI 21:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
Yes. I've had to work on some stuff IRL, but I am doing well. Irruptive Creditor (talk) 22:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
@Irruptive Creditor: Can you please continue? Wolverine XI 10:50, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
My deepest apologies; I am busy. I have no issue in forfeiting my review and to yield the GA-review opportunity to a more attuned editor. Irruptive Creditor (talk) 02:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
@Chipmunkdavis: G7? Or can this still make it to the October "target articles"? Wolverine XI 19:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
This GAN will not be deleted, but Rjjiii has already reset this and put it back in the queue. CMD (talk) 00:01, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

@Wolverine XI, Irruptive Creditor, and Chipmunkdavis: I didn't think that WP:G7 would apply since there are comments from multiple editors and so incremented the review counter (per WP:GAN/I#N4a). The entry stays in the same position on WP:GAN. Wolverine XI, are you asking about October target articles to attract a reviewer? If so, I don't mind picking this up later this week if nobody else does. It's good to see folks work on the Vital Articles, and dogs are fantastic, Rjj (talk) 00:21, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: Thanks for your offer. I wouldn't mind an article review from you. And yes, you're right, dogs really are fantastic. Wolverine XI 03:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it well written?
    A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
    B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
  2. Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
    A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
    B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
    C. Source check:
    D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
    B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
  4. Is it neutral? It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
  5. Is it stable? It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
    This is the first one I have had time to review thus far. Overall, I see no indication of edit warring.
  6. Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
    A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
    Checked IP status of all images used.
    B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
    Roughly, I would say so. Placement is alright and captions are not outlandish. Although, the descriptions of dog molars and of phenotypes and morphological distinctions could be 'dumbed down' somewhat for a lay audience.
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

Health conditions

Currently the disorders listed are selected by users based on preference/belief rather than based on any authoritative source. I personally don't think elbow dysplasia is very common or notable for example. I do have a tertiary source: although it has so many conditions listed it might be exhaustive/too much. Other options would be one of these studies: although these tend to ignore notable conditions such as gastric dilatation volvulus Traumnovelle (talk) 06:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC) Traumnovelle (talk) 06:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

Passed. Rjj (talk) 20:56, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


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Starting up the review. Thanks for the patience, Wolverine XI. There are several existing reviews and talk page comments that I'll go through. Traumnovelle, I've watchlisted the talk page and subscribed to the thread at Talk:Dog#Health_conditions; you can also ping me about any issues you find. The organization looks good and is similar to Featured Articles (like Elephant). I'll go through section by section along with checking the older reviews:

Taxonomy (✓)

  • Two sources are cited in the Bibliography but don't have any inline citations pointing to them: Coppinger & Schneider (1995); Miklósi (2007).
    • Done
      • @Wolverine XI: I see two inline citations to Miklósi (2007). Both of these need a page number. Also, why have the unlinked citation down in the bibliography if the full citation is given in the body text? I still don't see any inline citations pointing to that source. For Coppinger & Schneider (1995) "Evolution of working dogs", there is one inline citation with the page range (which is great), another inline citation without the page range (why not just use a named reference here?), and then the same citation again in the bibliography without any links pointing to it (why have it down there if the full citation is given inline and nothing points/links to it?).Rjj (talk) 16:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
  • The Taxonomy section is lacking in topic sentences. It takes a linear kind of story-telling approach. The first line is about Linnaeus but should probably be about dogs and their taxonomy.
    • Done
  • There are many details about studies, but it's not clear whether dogs, wolves, and dingoes are all one species, separate somehow, or disputed somehow.
    • Dogs diverged from wolves, and dingoes diverged from dogs. They are all connected.
      • Yes, and that could be more explicit in the article. Rjjiii (ii) (talk) 01:46, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
        • We already say that "dogs originated from wolves" and "dingoes are considered dog breeds", so I'm a bit confused here. Nevertheless, I changed it a bit.
  • Evolution is an empty section. If sources on dogs talk either about the evolution of the wolf, dogs' early divergence from wolves, or the feralization of domestic dogs back to wild dogs, any of that could go here. If nothing should go here, then the section heading should go.
    • Removed
  • "Domestication" is also very chronological and it makes it somewhat unclear.
    • Perhaps you could elaborate a bit more.
  • Consider glossing "commensal"
  • The meaning of "taxed" is unclear.
    • Fixed
  • "In 2021, ..." this is towards the end of "Domestication" and the wording plus placement make it sound like this is just one study, but is this study not offering the academic consensus?
    • It is one study that also analyzes other sources...
  • It's not clear from this article how domesticated dogs differ from wolves. Consider borrowing some sources from Domestication syndrome. Much of the research into that idea deals with domesticated dogs and other canines (wolves, dingoes, coyotes, etc.).
    • Done
  • "Their behavioural traits include guarding, herding, hunting, retrieving, and scent detection. Their personality traits include hypersocial behavior, boldness, and aggression." traits that they were bred for? I feel like a sentence is missing right before this.
    • Actioned
  • "All healthy dogs, regardless of their size and type, have an identical skeletal structure" One comment from the next section and I'll pause. It's not clear what this means. It just afterwards mentions the tail differences. The last paragraph is all about diverge in skull shape. The previous section ended talking about how variable breeds are. Look at these dudes.
    • That's what the sources say. If we ignore slight differences in skull and tail morphology, their skeletal structure is basically the same.
      • @Wolverine XI: Okay, but the meaning is not clear in the article's text. Other editors at Talk:Dog#skeletal_variation also expressed confusion. Cunliffe (2004, p. 12) talks about skeletons that are "markedly different", but "all have an equal number of bones". The point is about how the vast differences in dogs' body types comes from the size, "length, thickness, quality, and strength" of bones. The other citation, Fogle (2009, pp. 38–39) seems like a stray footnote; I see the "Skeleton" section starting on page 46 but may have the wrong edition of the book. Fogle (2009, p. 46) talks about how the early timing of sexual maturity causes giant breeds to have longer bones and says that "dwarfing reduces the length of the long limb bones and enlarges the joints" for little dudes like dachshunds. I think that Fogle (2009) is in line with what you're saying and what Cunliffe (2004) is saying, but there are better ways to present it, Rjj (talk) 21:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
        Done. Wolverine XI 07:05, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm pausing there. I'll pick up later.Rjj (talk) 21:16, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@Rjjiii: Responded to all of the points listed above. Wolverine XI 17:09, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

In response to clarification question above, I'll offer an example of what I'm talking about. I'm suggesting that an inverted pyramid approach to organizing some of the information will make things more clear in this section. Some paragraphs have a clear topic sentence like, "Dogs are the most variable mammal on earth, with around 450 globally recognized dog breeds.". Other paragraphs and sections start from either from a chronological beginning or use a study as the topic. I think this makes things less clear. The first line in particular stuck out to me as an odd place to begin. Compare:

Current text beginning with 1758 and Linnaeus

In 1758, the Swedish botanist and zoologist Carl Linnaeus assigned the genus name Canis (which is the Latin word for "dog") to the domestic dog, the wolf, and the golden jackal in his book, Systema Naturae. He classified the domestic dog as Canis familiaris and, on the next page, classified the grey wolf as Canis lupus. Linnaeus considered the dog to be a separate species from the wolf because of its upturning tail (cauda recurvata in Latin term), which is not found in any other canid.

References

  1. Gear, Robyn (2020). "Medical disorders of dogs and cats and their nursing". In Cooper, Barabara; Mullineaux, Elizabeth; Turner, Lynn (eds.). BSAVA Textbook of Veterinary Nursing. British Small Animal Veterinary Association. pp. 532–595.
  2. Wang & Tedford 2008, p. 58. sfn error: no target: CITEREFWangTedford2008 (help)
  3. Cite error: The named reference linnaeus1758 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. Cite error: The named reference Clutton-Brock1995 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Suggested text beginning with taxonomy:

Dogs are domesticated members of the family Canidae. They are classified as a subspecies of Canis lupus, along with wolves and dingoes. Dogs were domesticated from wolves over 14,000 years ago by hunter-gatherers, before the development of agriculture. The dingo and the related New Guinea singing dog resulted from the geographic isolation and feralization of dogs in Oceania over 8,000 years ago.

Dogs, wolves, and dingoes have sometimes been classified as separate species. In 1758, the Swedish botanist and zoologist Carl Linnaeus assigned the genus name Canis (which is the Latin word for "dog") to the domestic dog, the wolf, and the golden jackal in his book, Systema Naturae. He classified the domestic dog as Canis familiaris and, on the next page, classified the grey wolf as Canis lupus. Linnaeus considered the dog to be a separate species from the wolf because of its upturning tail (cauda recurvata in Latin term), which is not found in any other canid.

References

  1. Freedman, Adam H.; Wayne, Robert K. (February 2017). "Deciphering the Origin of Dogs: From Fossils to Genomes". Annual Review of Animal Biosciences. 5: 281–307. doi:10.1146/annurev-animal-022114-110937.
  2. ^ Thiele, Kevin (Apr 19, 2019). "The Trouble With Dingoes". Taxonomy Australia. Australian Academy of Science.
  3. Perri, Angela R.; Feuerborn, Tatiana R.; Frantz, Laurent A. F.; Larson, Greger; Malhi, Ripan S.; Meltzer, David J.; Witt, Kelsey E. (9 February 2021). "Dog domestication and the dual dispersal of people and dogs into the Americas". Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 118 (6). doi:10.1073/pnas.2010083118. ISSN 0027-8424.
  4. Skoglund, Pontus (June 1, 2015). "Ancient Wolf Genome Reveals an Early Divergence of Domestic Dog Ancestors and Admixture into High-Latitude Breeds". Current Biology. 25 (11): 1515–1519.
  5. Shao-jie Zhang; Guo-Dong Wang; Pengcheng Ma; Liang-liang Zhang (2020). "Genomic regions under selection in the feralization of the dingoes". Nature Communications. 11 (671).
  6. Cairns, Kylie M.; Wilton, Alan N. (17 September 2016). "New insights on the history of canids in Oceania based on mitochondrial and nuclear data". Genetica. pp. 553–565.
  7. Wang & Tedford 2008, p. 58. sfn error: no target: CITEREFWangTedford2008 (help)
  8. Cite error: The named reference linnaeus1758 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  9. Cite error: The named reference Clutton-Brock1995 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Hope that helps, and I'll review some of the older comments next to check off issues that have already been resolved, Rjj (talk) 01:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Done. Wolverine XI 14:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
I would also suggest that some version of the sentence "This timing indicates that the dog was the first species to be domesticated in the time of hunter-gatherers, which predates agriculture." should be the first sentence of the section it is in. This article will have a broad readership, many of whom will not immediately realize that 14,223 years ago is much earlier than other domesticated animals, none of which where domesticated during the Late Pleistocene ice age. Rjj (talk) 04:54, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Done. Wolverine XI 02:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Marking this section off, Rjj (talk) 13:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Checking old reviews (✓)

2004 FA
No outstanding issues. Pretty cool to see how far the article has come.
2004 peer review
All about size. 7,000 words is a normal size. No outstanding issues.
2006 FA
No outstanding issues.
2007 GA
These weren't always transcluded? No outstanding issues.
2008 peer review
Most issues were resolved during the peer review. It mentions sourcing which I'll check later via spot checking.
2009 GA
Most issues are resolved. They note the lead was too short. I'll have to go through the body though to see if anything is missing.
2011 GA
Short review. Issues have been since resolved.
2021 GA
Noting again that the lead is too short, and some statements don't have a reference cited inline.

And that's it. I'll look through the concerns about the "Health" section when I get there. I don't have much feedback on these other than it's interesting to see how far the article has come in a couple of decades. The only outstanding concern is that the lead is short for the size of the article, Rjj (talk) 02:28, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I will expand the lead accordingly. Wolverine XI 16:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)
Striking since the lead was expanded, Rjj (talk) 21:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Image review (✓)

There are so many dogs! The images are used well. The addition of video and audio are excellent. All images are freely licensed. The following have issues with their copyright tags on commons:

Let me know if you have any issues with license templates, Rjj (talk) 05:12, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Completed all. Wolverine XI 17:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
@Wolverine XI: double-check the templates, Rjj (talk) 17:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
@Rjjiii: I'm not picking up anything; what did I miss? Wolverine XI 11:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Oh, I thought the first two were typos. PLOS is making them available under the CC0 1.0 Universal. It's a public domain dedication with a public-domain-equivalent fallback license. The template for it is {{Cc-zero}}. The other two are fine now; the commons' public domain templates are more complicated than they need to be, Rjj (talk) 13:50, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Done. Wolverine XI 16:16, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Awesome, Rjj (talk) 16:49, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

First spot checks (2d✓)

  • ✓: The source on dingo classification is a primary source that doesn't give the context and appropriate weight for WP:NPOV. I'll post some overly specific suggestions below, but it just needs to summarize a reliable secondary source to give the context around the situation before those specific facts in some way.
  • ✓: In the Science (2020) source, the section "No detectable evidence for multiple dog origins or extensive gene flow from wild canids" verifies the statements about wolf lineage.
  • ✓: The line "Dogs are the most variable mammal on earth, with around 450 globally recognized dog breeds." is a good topic sentence, but it needs to be rewritten to state the facts in an editor's voice. The source has, "dogs are the most variable mammalian species on Earth approximately 450 globally recognized breeds" This was added by retired editor William Harris, not the nominator.
  • ✓: Checking some more bits from Harris: The line "In the Victorian era, directed human selection developed the modern dog breeds, which resulted in a vast range of phenotypes." is close to the source but not outright copying (WP:CLOP). Suggest rephrasing it. Annual Review of Animal Biosciences (2017) has, "the Victorian era of directed selection for fancy or novelty resulted in a vast range of dog phenotypes
  • ✓: The rest of the paragraph citing the same sources and written by the same author don't have any issues. The sources verify the content and there is no close paraphrasing or copying.
  • ✓: Checking more from Harris. The whole section "Touch" needs to be rewritten. It was copied with appropriate attribution to this article by the nominator from dog anatomy, but but was added there in 2015 by Harris. Misplaced Pages has, "Dogs have specialized whiskers known as vibrissae, sensing organs present above the dog's eyes, below their jaw, and on their muzzle. Vibrissae are more rigid, embedded much more deeply in the skin than other hairs, and have a greater number of receptor cells at their base. They can detect air currents, subtle vibrations, and objects in the dark. They provide an early warning system for objects that might strike the face or eyes, and probably help direct food and objects towards the mouth.". The source, a 2012 blog post has, "specialised whiskers (known as vibrissae). Vibrissae are present above the dog’s eyes, below his jaws, and on his muzzle. Vibrissae are more rigid and embedded much more deeply in the skin than other hairs, and have a greater number of receptor cells at their base. They can detect air currents, subtle vibrations, and objects in the dark. They provide an early warning system for objects that might strike the face or eyes, and probably help direct food and objects towards the mouth."

Current text summarizing the primary source:

In 2019, a workshop hosted by the IUCN/Species Survival Commission's Canid Specialist Group considered the dingo and the New Guinea singing dog to be feral Canis familiaris and therefore did not assess them for the IUCN Red List of threatened species.

References

  1. Cite error: The named reference Alvares2019 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Suggested text giving context from secondary sources:

The classification of dingoes is disputed and a political issue in Australia. Classifying dingoes as wild dogs simplifies reducing or controlling dingo populations that threaten livestock. Treating dingoes as a separate species allows conservation programs to protect the dingo population. Dingo classification affects wildlife management policies, legislation, and societal attitudes. In 2019, a workshop hosted by the IUCN/Species Survival Commission's Canid Specialist Group considered the dingo and the New Guinea singing dog to be feral Canis familiaris. Therefore, it did not assess them for the IUCN Red List of threatened species.

References

  1. Donfrancesco, Valerio; Allen, Benjamin L.; Appleby, Rob; Behrendorff, Linda; et al. (March 2023). "Understanding conflict among experts working on controversial species: A case study on the Australian dingo". Conservation Science and Practice. 5 (3). doi:10.1111/csp2.12900. ISSN 2578-4854.
  2. Boronyak, Louise; Jacobs, Brent; Smith, Bradley (May 2023). "Unlocking Lethal Dingo Management in Australia". Diversity. 15 (5): 642.
  3. Cite error: The named reference Alvares2019 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

I've gone through everything added by Harris. Much of it seems fine? The below quotes should all likely be rephrased, so that we are copying the facts but not the wording:

  • ✓: "Unlike other domestic species selected for production-related traits, dogs were initially selected for their behaviors. In 2016, a study found that only 11 fixed genes showed variation between wolves and dogs. These gene variations were unlikely to have been the result of natural evolution and indicate selection on both morphology and behavior during dog domestication. These genes have been shown to affect the catecholamine synthesis pathway, with the majority of the genes affecting the fight-or-flight response (i.e., selection for tameness) and emotional processing. Dogs generally show reduced fear and aggression compared with wolves, though some of these genes have been associated with aggression in certain dog breeds."
    • "Unlike the majority of domestic species, which were primarily selected for production related traits, dogs were typically selected for their behaviors. only 11 genes with putatively functional substitutions differentiating all dogs and wolves. these regions are unlikely to have been the result of purely neutral evolutionary forces. point towards selection on both morphological and behavioral phenotypes during dog domestication. Strong selection in the initial stages of dog domestication appears to have occurred on multiple genes involved in the fight-or-flight response, particularly in the catecholamine synthesis pathway. selection for tameness emotional processing dogs generally show reduced fear and aggression towards humans compared to wolves. significant allele frequency differences that correlate with levels of aggression related behaviour within or between dog breeds in genes "
  • ✓: "Another study showed that after undergoing training to solve a simple manipulation task, dogs faced with an unsolvable version of the same problem look at humans, while socialized wolves do not."
    • "In the second study, we have found that, after undergoing training to solve a simple manipulation task, dogs that are faced with an insoluble version of the same problem look/gaze at the human, while socialized wolves do not."
  • ✓: "However, more like cats and less like other omnivores, dogs can only produce bile acid with taurine, and they cannot produce vitamin D,"
    • "However, unlike many other omnivores and more like the cat, the dog conjugates bile acids only with taurine (Haslewood 1964) and cannot make vitamin D, an animal product (Hazewinkel et al., 1987; How et al., 1994; NRC, 2006). from Fascetti's earlier
  • ✓: "Children in mid-to-late childhood are the largest group bitten by dogs, with a greater risk of injury to the head and neck. They are more likely to need medical treatment and have the highest death-rate."
    • "Children are the largest percentage of people bitten by dogs, with the majority in their mid-to-late childhood. The risk of injury to the head and neck is greater in children than in adults, adding to increased severity, necessity for medical treatment and death rates."
  • ✓: "pet owners were significantly more likely to get to know people in their neighborhood than non-pet owners"
    • "Pet owners were significantly more likely to get to know people in their neighborhood than non-pet owners"

Everything else that he added seems fine and also met WP:V, Rjj (talk) 16:19, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Struck all of the above. I'm going to check out the changes in a bit, but all of the copying issues are resolved. Thanks for going through them. I checked the article in WP:EARWIG, and did some manual searches, and don't see other problem areas. All the copying from other articles has attribution. Marking this criteria down as met, Rjj (talk) 21:42, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
I did some copyediting while checking the recent updates and am done editing the article now. Looking good on 2d, Rjj (talk) 22:04, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Checking cited sources (2a✓)


There are some other sources that look odd from the citation but check out. These all look good: the Jewish library source is for Jewish customs, the student essay won was published by the university and won some kind of award,, the tertiary sources aren't citing anything controversial, and a couple blog sources are subject matter experts. Rjj (talk) 16:51, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Fixed all. Wolverine XI 18:34, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Looks good, Rjj (talk) 19:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Anatomy and physiology (✓)

The left half of the image shows the estimated difference in a dog's vision.
The bottom-right portion of the image shows the estimated difference in a dog's vision.

Checking out the next section. Issues listed below:

  • Issues with "identical" are noted above.
  • Not required for GA: If you want to nominate this at FAC there are probably several ways to show the different types of dog skulls. File:Selected skulls.jpg already exists, and commons:Category:Dog skulls in left lateral aspect has side views of many skulls that could be combined into a comparison.
  • The sentence beginning with "The fovea centralis" is verified by the source, but the earlier sentences in the paragraph are not.
  • Dogs are red-green color blind possible source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5717654/
  • Dogs and most other mammals have two types of cone cells to our three: https://www.livescience.com/34029-dog-color-vision.html
  • A comparison to deuteranopia may be a useful thing to mention and link.
  • Dogs also have issues with brightness discrimination and visual acuity. Check out this source: "Based on these studies we can state that the brightness discrimination of dogs is about two times worse than that of humans. According to these measurements dogs' visual acuity is four to eight times worse than that of humans."
  • Not required for GA: Check out the images in this section. Feel free to use either one of these to illustrate differences in dog eyesight.
  • "being familiar with" is a bit odd. Is there a more direct way to say that?
  • "A dog's dewclaw is the five digits": A dewclaw is a digit, maybe the fifth digit was meant here.
  • "Some publications thought that dewclaws in wolves": thought is past tense here; was this disproven? The state of the research isn't clear (disproven, proven, disputed, still under study, etc.).

And that's it. This one went pretty smooth. The tail section was especially clean. I had no idea they could wag to one side. "500 dogs would need to have their tail docked to prevent one injury" is a solid way to be clear about the situation without taking a side (good NPOV). I'll pause again, Rjj (talk) 00:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Please give me until the end of the day to address all concerns. Wolverine XI 02:22, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
No rush; it's a broad topic, Rjj (talk) 02:30, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll begin in about 12 hours, which is at around 14:37 (UTC). Right now, I have to prepare for yet another work day :(. Wolverine XI 02:37, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
Completed everything. Wolverine XI 10:21, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Looks good, Rjj (talk) 14:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Health (✓)

  • ✓: The editor who raised issues before has addressed them all by editing the article, so I'll mark that off above.
    • Noted
  • Under lifespan, it says that it varies among breeds. Are there any general trends for breeds that have longer or shorter lives?
  • Regarding "bitch", we can just say "female dog" instead of having the article say bitch and then including a glossary to explain that it means female dog.
    • Fixed
  • ✓: For Cancer in Dogs and Cats, the benefits of spaying are a running theme. This meets NPOV.
    • Noted
  • I'd cut this, "Inbreeding depression is considered to be due mainly to the expression of homozygous deleterious recessive mutations. Outcrossing between unrelated individuals, including dogs of different breeds, results in the beneficial masking of deleterious recessive mutations in progeny.". The article explains why inbreeding depression is relevant to dogs. It makes sense to next explain what inbreeding depression is (with a link to that article) and to note what types of dogs have the most issues (designer dogs and Asian pariah dogs probably don't have nearly the same level of inbreeding). The two sentences are trying to explain how inbreeding depression works, but that can just be handled in the broader article. Some of the material added in 2016 is citing a 1987 study. Since 2016, there have been new relevant studies that are cited and summarized at Inbreeding depression.
    • Removed

Noting a few issues above, Rjj (talk) 02:25, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

@Wolverine XI: Okay, that's all of the issues that I noted. The four appendices all look fine (Terminology, References, Bibliography, and External links), also. I already checked some of the sources in Ecology and don't see any major issues reading through it. I'll try to review the remaining section (Roles with Humans) soon, Rjj (talk) 19:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Behavior (✓)

  • Consider wiki-linking the first Dog behavior.
  • I feel like "is the internally coordinated responses (actions or inactions) of the domestic dog (individuals or groups) to internal and external stimuli. Dogs' minds have" could be replaced with just "has". If there's some nuance there, it's going over my head.
  • Gloss colostrum
  • "Colostrum peak production was around 3 weeks postpartum" Milk?
  • "Dog communication is how dogs convey information to other dogs, understand messages from humans, and translate the information that dogs are transmitting." The opening sentence of dog communication is a more concise explanation, "Dog communication is the transfer of information between dogs, as well as between dogs and humans."

That's it for this section, Rjj (talk) 19:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Completed all. Wolverine XI 11:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Looks good, Rjj (talk) 14:40, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Roles with humans (✓)

@Wolverine XI: And that's it. The dogs as food section and the "In Korea" subsection both need to be gone through. Some of the material is out of date and some of it is giving undue weight. The other issues are all pretty minor. I made a few copyedits while reading. Nearly done, Rjj (talk) 03:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Will address these issues promptly at 15:30. Wolverine XI 05:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
@Rjjiii: Completed all. Wolverine XI 20:02, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
@Wolverine XI: Bullets 2 & 3 are still reading weird to me. Striking all the completely resolved issues. Health risks looks fine. There are still some issues with dogs as food. It's almost certainly NPOV to have a whole section on Korea when they're outlawing it and at least two other countries eat more dog meat. I am thinking the most clear structure for that section is something like 3 paragraphs. First the history of it, second eating dog meat today (by location), and third a single brief paragraph on Korea and the conflict about it there. I may take a shot revising some of this by the weekend if you don't beat me to it. I'll almost certainly pass it (unless I get like pancaked by drunk dump truck driver). I wanted to give you early notice before passing in case you want to do a DYK for it, Rjj (talk) 02:53, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
@Rjjiii: Better now? Wolverine XI 22:43, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
@Rjjiii: OK, am I missing something with the dog meat section? Wolverine XI 03:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
@Wolverine XI I just haven't fully gone through it yet. The other two were much easier to check. Rjj (talk) 03:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
I see. Wolverine XI 03:50, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
What does this sentence mean, "Although Indians residing in the Americas regularly fed off dogs, the majority of those living in their homeland rarely fed on such meat." I'm reading through the source, but on Google Books which leaves out several pages. Rjj (talk) 03:51, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
The source says it was common among Indians in the Americas on page 200 but not in the Indian subcontinent on page 203 or 204. Wolverine XI 03:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
@Rjjiii: I see you've started a little something on your sandbox; how is it coming along? Wolverine XI 19:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
You have caught me! Yes, I am and will be done by the weekend. Feel free to double-check any of my work. The "Indians" in the source above are Native Americans, not Indians from India. It's common in twentieth-century sources to still use that terminology, and if you go back to the eighteenth century you can find some really odd stuff (like Moundbuilders). For pre-Columbian dogs, some of the best sources are going to be in Spanish. Rjj (talk) 01:44, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Awesome! Can't wait to see the end result. Wolverine XI 05:00, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
@Wolverine XI: This weekend I'll look things over for minor issues and pass the article. Take a look at the section I updated and let me know if you have any objections or questions. Feel free to polish anything you notice as well. Before I wrap up the review did you want feedback on any aspects of the article? Rjj (talk) 08:03, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
@Rjjiii: Thanks for updating that section; it looks much better and more comprehensive. Thanks also for the time and effort you invested in making sure everything was up to par. That said, I don't believe any part of this review was overlooked. Wolverine XI 10:37, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
@Wolverine XI: I looked it over and only noticed a few issues in the lead. Since I could address them with small tweaks or pulling up body text, I did. I also set the formatting to CS1 for the couple of CS2 citation templates. Take a last look to fix anything, and I'll pass it soon. I don't see any issues that fall below the GA criteria remaining. Thanks for the patience and for taking the time to work on an article like this (broad scope, highly viewed, rated vital). Rjj (talk) 20:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
@Rjjiii: Made a slight edit to the article, and that should be it. Wolverine XI 20:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

chondrodysplasia (dwarfism) and dachshund and corgi

This claim is dubious and almost certainly untrue. Chondrodysplasia causes more than just shortened legs and the health effects would be disadvantageous to any working breed. Historical depictions of dachshunds including a taxidermied specimen show a lack of the trait. It is certainly a modern trait bred for appearance and show. I am unaware of what the source states but I am looking for one which dates when the condition first started being bred for. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:24, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

@Traumnovelle: The cited source seems reliable. It says:

Selective breeding has dwarfed the size of the Dachshund’s skeleton, reducing the limb bones and enlarging the joints. Dwarfing, on the other hand, retains all of the skeleton’s normal anatomical relationships, but reduces the lengths of the long limb bones and enlarges the joints. Both dwarfism and miniaturization are natural occurences, which have been accentuated through our intervention in dog breeding. (pp. 38-39, cited range) For the last 100 years they have been bred as “earth dogs,” the standard size being willing and able to follow badgers and foxes to earth, with the miniature version doing the same with rabbits. (p. 184, "Dachshunds") Watch your ankles when you are near a Cardigan Welsh Corgi. This robust working dog is an instinctive “heeler,” which originally drove livestock by nipping at its heels; it was built low enough to the ground to avoid flailing hooves. (p. 229, "Cardigan Welsh Corgi")

Here are some other sources on Dachshunds:
  • "This means that for the longest time, domestic dogs had the potential for dwarfism, which was independently maintained and nurtured by breeders all over the world. Originally, they were shaped for specific jobs like flushing out burrowing animals. Later on, breeders would have kept imposing strong evolutionary pressure on their animals to meet the conditions set by dog-breeding associations."
  • "The Dachshund’s long body, short legs and flexible spine make it ideal for wriggling into tight spaces to follow badgers and other burrowing, according to the author of “Dachshunds for Dummies.” The breed’s short legs give it other advantages, such as the ability to move briskly through thick brush, to dig holes and to catch and follow a scent due to its closeness to the ground."
  • "The Dachshund Club of America claims that the dachshund dog breed was born in Germany when foresters in the 18th or 19th century were seeking out a dog breed that could fearlessly fight badgers. The dachshund has the perfect conformation for the task. His short paddle-shaped legs could effectively dig while his long, low-to-the ground body could easily access the burrows. The rest is offered by a dachshund’s courageous, temperament, loud bark (so hunters could easily locate him) and well-developed senses, which make him particularly suitable for the task. There is also belief that this breed’s long, sturdy tail must have worked as a “handle” to pull these fellows out of the burrow."
  • This explanation goes back at least to Will Judy's 1925 The Dog Encyclopedia.
Rjj (talk) 23:04, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
I would say that source doesn't support the claim: 'dwarfism has been selectively used for some types where short legs are advantageous'. Being bred smaller is different to being bred for dwarfism. Dwarfism is not advantageous for a hunting breed and I've found mention in a study that working Dachshunds have lower rates of IVDD, a disease that is often caused by chondrodysplasia and for which Dachshunds make up the plurality of cases. I wouldn't put any weight into what the author of 'Dachshunds for Dummies' writes and fancier clubs should be disregarded, they promote all manner of ahistoric rubbish to promote their breeds.
'Funquist and Henricson state that wire-haired dachshunds are less often affected because they are used in hunting.'
Although I'm unable to find a veterinary source that directly contradicts the idea it can quite easily be proven false by just looking at historical depictions of dachshunds which show dogs that are quite clearly not chondrodysplastic like the modern breed. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC) Traumnovelle (talk) 00:18, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
I still don't believe the issue is addressed. Working dogs were bred to have shorter legs but they certainly weren't bred to have dwarfism, same for brachycephaly, it is a modern trait bred for appearance and style. It impairs function so the idea it was introduced to improve function is dubious. Traumnovelle (talk) 01:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
@Traumnovelle: What time period are you thinking this change occurred where dachshunds began to be bred for dwarfism (rather than just a small size)? If I come across sources on the general topic, I'll try to post back here. "advantageous" really was a step beyond the cited the source, but I think the material in the article is now summarizing what the cited source says. Rjj (talk) 02:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Actually nevermind the issue is addressed, my apologies. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:55, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
It's all good, Rjj (talk) 16:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. Verheijen, Jeannette; Bouw, J. (1982). "Canine intervertebral disc disease: A review of etiologic and predisposing factors". Veterinary Quarterly. 4 (3). Informa UK Limited: 125–134. doi:10.1080/01652176.1982.9693852. ISSN 0165-2176.

75 restricted breeds in the US is dubious

I found this claim dubious, the AKC recognises slightly more than 200 breeds so this would represent a large amount of breeds. I looked at the source, which cites the AKC, who cite this: this is not a reliable source and I can spot an obvious error quite quickly. The Alsatian Shepherd is listed a banned breed. This is not a breed, the Alsatian Shepherd is an older name for the German Shepherd Dog which is later listed. Another example is the blue heeler, an alternate name for the Australian Cattle Dog. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:05, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

I've replaced with an MDPI source. MDPI is okay here for basic and easily verifiable facts. I chose not to focus on specifics as that would lead to a focus on whatever country/area was chosen. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
@Traumnovelle That source is fine. I think it's valuable to avoid counting the breeds because it's a number that is subject to change, debatable, and easy to misinterpret. In the sense that the laws specified 75 breeds to ban, that sounds likely (e.g. banning every possible way to name any type of a bulldog as a list of "breeds"). If a source draws any kind of broad strokes on what types of breeds (my assumption is size and association with dogfighting), I think that may be useful. Rjj (talk) 04:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

DYK nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 15:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

( ) Various types of dogs.Various types of dogs. Improved to Good Article status by Wolverine X-eye (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Wolverine XI 09:14, 20 October 2024 (UTC).

All the better for views if you ask me, but technically that hook would be about dog meat and thus it would fail WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE, so with regret I've struck it. ALT0 is available for review; might have a rummage for hooks myself. (Also, that image of 'a female dog nursing' is adorable.)--Launchballer 19:28, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm doing a tick to make clear that this comment is not an objection, but just excerpts from the two sources verifying the hook fact. The earlier article says, "The researchers determined that dogs were probably domesticated from now-extinct wolves between 11,000 and 16,000 years ago — before humans began farming around 10,000 years ago." and the more recent article pushes this timeline back further, "Dogs were the first domesticated species and the only animal known to enter into a domestic relationship with people during the Pleistocene dogs were domesticated in Siberia by 23,000 years ago, possibly while both people and wolves were isolated during the harsh climate of the Last Glacial Maximum. Dogs then accompanied the first people into the Americas and traveled with them as humans rapidly dispersed into the continent beginning 15,000 years ago The earliest generally accepted dog dates to 15 ka (from the site of Bonn-Oberkassel, discussed below). However, claims for the existence of domestic dogs as early as 40 ka (22–28) have been made on the basis of morphological (22, 24–27), isotopic (22, 29), genetic (22, 28, 30), and contextual assessments (24, 31) of ancient canid remains. Yet, none of these potential domestication markers is fail-safe, owing to the fact that wolves and early domesticated dogs can be difficult to distinguish from each other." Rjj (talk) 00:49, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@BorgQueen: A month has now passed and this nomination has seemingly been forgotten. Can you promote this anytime soon? I would like the hook to appear this year. Thanks, Wolverine X-eye 21:28, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

"Female dog" or "bitch"?

Traumnovelle, why change "female dog" to "bitch"? Does that not go against MOS:JARGON, "Some topics are necessarily technical: however, editors should seek to write articles accessible to the greatest possible number of readers. Minimize the use of jargon? Rjj (talk) 02:40, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Bitch is not a jargon term, it is a term in common parlance. I don't see how it can qualify as jargon but sobriquet doesn't. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:02, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
I work in the veterinary field, and "Bitch" is the correct veterinary term for a female dog. It is not derogatory when used in this context. Mediatech492 (talk) 07:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
I do not consider "bitch" jargon any more than, for example, "bull" or "cow", or "stallion" or "mare". It is not as common only because of its secondary vulgar meaning - much like "ass" often is avoided even when speaking of that animal. That said, I have no strong opinion on whether to use "bitch" or "female dog" throughout the article; the two are interchangeable. Jtrevor99 (talk) 12:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
The specific terminology of the veterinary field is jargon, by the very definition of the term. It would be highly unusual for someone outside the veterinary field to refer to a female dog as a bitch, unless making a joke or trying to get a rise out of someone. 68.71.31.171 (talk) 01:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
It is not jargon. The term is not just used in the veterinary field: it is used in everyday vernacular by many English-speaking groups outside the US (to refer to the animal), not to mention breeders, kennels, dog shows, conservation departments, farmers, and many other specialized groups. It cannot be "jargon" when used throughout the populace. Frankly, I'm surprised anyone would try to argue that it is jargon: I've never seen anyone try to claim a term referring to the male or female of any species is jargon, except here. So let's be honest: it's likely this is a straw man argument, at least for some, who wish to remove the term because of its alternative derogatory meaning. And, I see no need to use it when it's a synonym for "female dog". But there's no compelling reason to avoid it either. Jtrevor99 (talk) 03:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Again, the specific terminology of "specialized groups" is, by definition, jargon. 68.71.31.171 (talk) 14:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Again, the specific terminology of "everyday vernacular" is, by definition, not jargon. Jtrevor99 (talk) 14:50, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
If you read the comment that I was responding to, you will see that the word was "everyday vernacular" used by "specialized groups," not the public. 142.115.60.108 (talk) 00:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
I WROTE that comment. Read it again. You misunderstood it. Jtrevor99 (talk) 01:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Is ewe or mare jargon? I would argue most of these terms are less commonly recognised (esp. in an urban population) but are still used in the relevant Misplaced Pages article instead of the queer 'females'. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:01, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Just because ignorant people use a word as a derogatory term does not negate that fact that the word is correct when used in the proper context. The word "cock" has profane usage, but that does not change the fact that it means a male chicken. It also has a different, non-profane meaning in reference to firearms. One could go on with terms like "ass", "pussy" and "Jesus Christ" which have both profane and non-profane usage. Mediatech492 (talk) 05:19, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Insulting members of the public by calling them "ignorant people" doesn't help your case. Misplaced Pages is written for the public. That's why we don't use specialized language, such as the language you use as a member of the veterinary profession. Stop looking down your nose at those of us who don't have veterinary training. 68.71.31.171 (talk) 14:00, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Interesting that you are concerned about the "public" when your comments are US-centric. The term is much more commonly used outside of the US, to refer to the female animal. Jtrevor99 (talk) 14:51, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Interesting that you would jump to the conclusion that my comments are US-centric. I am not American, none of my ancestors are American, and I have never lived in the United States. Regardless, the rule here is that we use a form of English understandable throughout the English speaking world, even in the United States. 142.115.60.108 (talk) 00:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Just to note Horse and Sheep naturally introduce the respective terms and then use them. It would be easy to include into the lead as either terminology or naturally introduced. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:08, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Mistaken interpretation of path to domesticity

The sentence 'the dog is a domestic animal that likely travelled a commensal pathway into domestication (i.e. dogs neither benefited nor got harmed)' does not interpret the referenced sources correctly. A commensal relationship is on in which one animal derives benefit and the other derives neither benefit nor harm. The referenced source says, "free-ranging wolves attracted to the refuse generated by human camps most likely followed a commensal pathway to domestication that was neither deliberate nor directed." In this description, the proto-dogs did benefit by being able to eat human refuse, while humans in this initial phase of the relationship were neither benefitted nor harmed. The sentence would be more accurate if it said somethin like, 'the dog is a domestic animal that likely travelled a commensal pathway into domestication (i.e. dogs benefited from eating the refuse of human camps while humans neither benefitted nor got harmed)' 2600:1702:4E34:4F8F:F10F:D998:C340:997B (talk) 03:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

I've done a slightly reworded version of your suggestion. Thanks for catching that. For less-watched pages, you can also used the template listed at Misplaced Pages:Edit requests to propose suggestions to locked articles, Rjj (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2024

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  • Section:* "Senses" under "Anatomy and Physiology"

Suggested Text Addition: Add the following paragraph after the sentence: "This sense of smell is the most prominent sense of the species; it detects chemical changes in the environment, allowing dogs to pinpoint the location of mating partners, potential stressors, resources, etc."

> "In addition to detecting environmental cues, a dog's highly developed olfactory system can recognize specific volatile organic compounds (VOCs) associated with various human diseases. This ability allows trained dogs to identify conditions such as cancer, diabetes, and even infectious diseases like COVID-19, making them valuable as non-invasive diagnostic aids. Studies have shown that dogs’ disease-detection capabilities often match or exceed the sensitivity of some electronic diagnostic methods."

Source: 1. Jendrny et al. (2021). "Canine olfactory detection and its relevance to medical detection." *BMC Infectious Diseases*, 21:838. DOI: (https://doi.org/10.1186/s12879-021-06523-8). This study reviews dogs' ability to detect specific diseases through VOCs and discusses diagnostic accuracy that is sometimes greater than electronic methods.

This addition highlights the functional and diagnostic significance of the canine olfactory system, enhancing the existing information in the "Senses" section. Aliceev (talk) 00:54, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

 Not done - 1, we can't accept LLM (that is, AI) generated text, and 2, the idea that dogs can detect COVID is a controversial medical claim and would require very strong sourcing. - MrOllie (talk) 01:06, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Should "Canis lupus" come first?

The very beginning of the intro says "The dog (Canis familiaris or Canis lupus familiaris) is...." From what I can tell, both from this article's Taxonomy section and from the Integrated Taxonomic Information System (ITIS; itis.gov), Canis lupus familiaris is the accepted classification. Some experts disagree, preferring Canis familiaris, but apparently the accepted one is Canis lupus familiaris. Shouldn't the latter come first at the beginning of the intro? DKMell (talk) 04:09, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

ITIS actually lists both forms. I can see that by looking at the taxonbar at the bottom of the page. From there I can also see that a majority of the more well respected taxa databases seem to prefer C. familiaris to C. l. familiaris. So no, I can't support this suggestion. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:22, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Typo fix

I'm not meeting requirements to edit semi-protected articles, so I write here that someone else can do a minor-edit fix:

At the "Competitors" paragraph have a look at last words. "the kagu, in New Caledonia.". The linked word "kagu" needs to be edited to have an uppercase K-letter. Ayniar (talk) 11:17, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ayniar just did it, thanks for pointing that out! Gaismagorm (talk) 11:53, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I've undone this. Kagu uses lowercase. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Ah okay, my bad! Gaismagorm (talk) 01:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

poorly worded statement about pet/feral dog percentage

In the article it says: "In developed countries, around 20% of dogs are kept as pets, while 75% of the population in developing countries largely consists of feral and community dogs."

To me, this reads as potentially implying that 80% of dogs in developed countries are free-ranging, which is clearly wrong.

Suggestion: Flag as needing a citation or just plain remove it. SophiaBZhou (talk) 22:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I disagree with that; however, the source clearly states 'If one assumes that all of the pet dogs in developed countries
are restricted they would represent 17–24% of the dogs worldwide' which instead means that 17-24% of dogs worldwide are from developed countries. Traumnovelle (talk) 23:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Temporal range in Infobox?

The top of the infobox says "Temporal range: 0.0142–0 Ma". without any clarification. The link sends the reader to year, which is just confusing. Something needs to be fixed. ypn^2 00:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

It sends the reader to the section of year that describes what the abbreviation Ma means, and right below it is "Late Pleistocene to present" with a citation that should give more information. It's a little more obvious in articles like Coelacanth where the geological age is placed first and the time period bar is actually visible. Reconrabbit 01:30, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Which Is is?

This article says the domestication of dogs began around 14,000 years ago. The article on the domestication of dogs says it happened over 30,000 years ago. Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.241.240.42 (talk) 03:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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