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	== ~~Wondering~~ ~~why~~ ==		== unreferenced claims ==

			The following claim in the Medication section is unreferenced:
	Anome keeps removingink I put in for a mental health support resource and then doesn't enter a reason!

			"However, <u>these medications</u> in combination with non-pharmacological methods, such as cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) <u>are seen to be most effective</u> in treating mental disorders."
	Why is the "facts are disputed" tag here? I suggest that people work on rewriting portions of the article '''with sources''' so that the facts are disputed tag can be removed. I started by cracking open my psychology textbook and putting some stuff in. :)

	== Wondering why ==

			Seen by whom? ] (]) 06:16, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
	Is there a reason why ] is not here? I suspect a complot!

			== Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2023 ==
	:According to current thinking, paranoia is a symptom of a number of mental illnesses, most notably ], rather than an specific illness in itself. However, we do have a ] article... -- ] 08:53, 12 Oct 2003 (UTC)

			{{edit semi-protected\|Mental disorder\|answered=yes}}
	::But paranoia is also a major part of ] and can be a large part of ]. I think symptoms are as important to explain as the illnesses themselves. Think ] here - it's not an illness but a symptom of several illnesses.--] 09:53, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)
			Submission for inclusion into your article "Mental Disorder" along with 10 (ten) reliable sources of doctors/medical professionals:

			Psychiatry is fraud/pseudo-science & mental illness does NOT exist because it is NOT proveable by any biological medical tests, & pharmaceutical companies are just looking to profit off this fraud by selling poisons, article by Citizens Commission on Human Rights (website: www.cchr.org):
	:::This is a very important point. No two cases are the same, despite identical diagnoses (and despite my personal theory that crazy is predictable ;p); in most cases, especially those of personality disorders (e.g., ]), it is the symptoms that can be treated. The disorder is often just a label to help understand the syndrome.

			"Real Disease vs. Mental “Disorder”
	-------------------------

			Psychiatric disorders are not medical diseases. There are no lab tests, brain scans, X-rays or chemical imbalance tests that can verify any mental disorder is a physical condition. This is not to say that people do not get depressed, or that people can’t experience emotional or mental duress, but psychiatry has repackaged these emotions and behaviors as “disease” in order to sell drugs. This is a brilliant marketing campaign, but it is not science.
	Removed from the article:

			“…modern psychiatry has yet to convincingly prove the genetic/biologic cause of any single mental illness…Patients been diagnosed with ‘chemical imbalances’ despite the fact that no test exists to support such a claim, and…there is no real conception of what a correct chemical balance would look like.” —Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist
	:''Mental illness can also be caused by unstable blood sugar levels due to insulin resistance (hypoglycemia). If this happens then the brain is not supplied with a steady concentration of glucose, its only source of energy.

			“There’s no biological imbalance. When people come to me and they say, ‘I have a biochemical imbalance,’ I say, ‘Show me your lab tests.’ There are no lab tests. So what’s the biochemical imbalance?” —Dr. Ron Leifer, psychiatrist
	:''When there is sudden drop in blood sugar levels, the adrenal glands are stimulated into secreting stress hormones - adrenaline and cortisol - that function to raise blood sugar levels in order to feed the brain with energy again. But these internally generated stress hormones interfere with the normal synthesis of serotonin and dopamine, causing the various forms of mental illness, such as depression, anxiety attacks, phobias, alcoholism and drug addiction among others.

			“All psychiatrists have in common that when they are caught on camera or on microphone, they cower and admit that there are no such things as chemical imbalances/diseases, or examinations or tests for them. What they do in practice, lying in every instance, abrogating the informed consent right of every patient and poisoning them in the name of ‘treatment’ is nothing short of criminal.” —Dr. Fred Baughman Jr., Pediatric Neurologist
	:''See “What is Hyppoglycemia” at http://www.hypoglycemia.asn.au/articles/what_is_hypo.html

			“Psychiatry makes unproven claims that depression, bipolar illness, anxiety, alcoholism and a host of other disorders are in fact primarily biologic and probably genetic in origin…This kind of faith in science and progress is staggering, not to mention naïve and perhaps delusional.” —Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist
	Is this a mainstream point of view? If so, please give mainstream cites supporting it. -- ] 10:08, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

			While “there has been no shortage of alleged biochemical explanations for psychiatric conditions…not one has been proven. Quite the contrary. In every instance where such an imbalance was thought to have been found, it was later proven false.” —Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, Harvard Medical School psychiatrist
	* Not likely a mainstream ], although it may well be widely known. The main issue here is that, aside from deliberate induction of severe ] (or culturally induced conditions, e.g. ]), the primary means of inducing mental illness is ], which seriously impairs ]. Dietary stress induces ] behaviors, perhaps as a natural ] response to nutritional deficits. ] shucked much of the ] of ] during the era of ], which resulted (after the introduction of the ] ]) from ready access to ] ] and the turning away from ] ]. Medical authorities continue to shun nutritional therapies, even in ], as can be surmised from machinations such as the ], an attempt to manage ], which exemplifies mainstream medicine's disdain for acknowledgement of issues such as blood sugar level stabilization. ] 00:52, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

			“The theories are held on to not only because there is nothing else to take their place, but also because they are useful in promoting drug treatment.” —Dr. Elliott Valenstein Ph.D., author of Blaming the Brain
	===shift from negative to positive===
	We need to shift this article's perspective from mental illness to ]. Focus on the positive. Much more constructive and useful way of looking at the problem of mental illness.--] 18:06, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)

			“There is no blood or other biological test to ascertain the presence or absence of a mental illness, as there is for most bodily diseases. If such a test were developed…then the condition would cease to be a mental illness and would be classified, instead, as a symptom of a bodily disease.” —Dr. Thomas Szasz, Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry, New York University Medical School, Syracuse
	:I agree completely.--] 09:49, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

			“I believe, until the public and psychiatry itself see that DSM labels are not only useless as medical ‘diagnoses’ but also have the potential to do great harm—particularly when they are used as means to deny individual freedoms, or as weapons by psychiatrists acting as hired guns for the legal system.” —Dr. Sydney Walker III, psychiatrist
	Then please write a separate article about the quite valid topic of ]. Unfortunately, however, serious mental illness exists and cannot be made to go away by focusing on the positive. This is one of the most common mistakes made by people with no clinical knowledge or experience of mental illness. Mental illness, like all other topics, needs to be studied objectively, without any considerations of "nice" or "nasty".

			“No biochemical, neurological, or genetic markers have been found for Attention Deficit Disorder, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Depression, Schizophrenia, anxiety, compulsive alcohol and drug abuse, overeating, gambling or any other so-called mental illness, disease, or disorder.” —Bruce Levine, Ph.D., psychologist and author of Commonsense Rebellion
	An analogy: take the topic of ]; pretending that this does not exist, or is not a serious and life-threatening (and in many cases life-ending) condition, is not helpful. However, this does not mean that there is not a place for a ] article describing the positive things which can be done to keep the heart healthy. -- ] 10:52, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

			“Unlike medical diagnoses that convey a probable cause, appropriate treatment and likely prognosis, the disorders listed in DSM-IV are terms arrived at through peer consensus.” —Tana Dineen Ph.D., Canadian psychologist "
	:Well said Anome, I'll defer to Sonjaa to start this one.--] 13:50, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

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			https://www.cchr.org/quick-facts/real-disease-vs-mental-disorder.html ] (]) 10:30, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
	''Mental Health'' does not refer to the '''absence''' of mental illness. The term refers to the mental state of a person, ill or nil. ] 23:55, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

			:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> requested edit is a copy/paste of the original source. ] (]) 14:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
	== Thoughts on content ==
			:Views expressed are also ] and ]. ] (]) 14:33, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

			== Add Obsessive Compulsive Disorders to their own category ==
	In the "symptoms" section, it would be nice to have some sort of reference to numbers to back up the comparison of crimes committed by elderly and the mentally ill. I have no idea if what's said is true or not, but it's a bold statement to make with no reference to support it.

			It’s been a somewhat new development but Obsessive Compulsive Disorders (Like Obsessive Compulsive Disorder or Trichotillomania) in its own category as it has been found to be a bit different from anxiety disorders. (Here’s a source https://www.ocduk.org/ocd/clinical-classification-of-ocd/icd-and-ocd/#:~:text=So%2520OCD%2520is%2520listed%2520under%2520%E2%80%93%2520Obsessive%252Dcompulsive%2520or%2520related%2520disorders,6B21%2520Body%2520dysmorphic%2520disorder ) ] (]) 14:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
	With that said, the "Cures of mental illness" section...well, it has absolutely nothing to do with anything I or anyone I know does in therapy. Ignoring that there don't currently seem to be cures, in general, just treatments and ways of dealing with mental illness, that doesn't particularly sound like a modern approach that's used (in my experience, at least). It doesn't mention medication at all, and it doesn't mention anything like Cognitive Behavior Therapy, or other types of currently used talk therapy. To be honest, that entire section is rather insulting to anyone who's had to deal with serious problems and how much work it can be to "cure" them or make them manageable, especially the last sentence about "other cures". No offense intended, but if you say something like that directly to most people with mental illness, you're lucky if you don't get smacked in the face (exaggerating a bit, but "suggestions" like that don't tend to be appreciated).

	Maybe this will be the article that finally gets me to create an account and do some editing... --anon

	:Regarding "cures", you're absolutely right. I've rewritten the section to be more reflective of what treatment of mental illness actually involves. For reference, here is the old version:

	::'''Cures of mental illness'''
	::''People with mental illness almost always have thoughts that are too complicated, chaotic, or unorganized. This is called a "complex". The psychiatrist's job is to help the patient think in a simpler way, such as to focus on food, water, shelter, and physical warmth - basic human needs. Everything else is unimportant: stress from family, friends, work, love and other complex and difficult emotions and problems are ignored in favor of "the basics". This helps the patient focus on what is important in life. These basics are solid objects that are easier to understand and control. The patient relaxes because he/she no longer has the burden of complicated expectations and emotional stress. This is called "shrinking the complex". This is why psychiatrists are sometimes called "shrinks". Some psychiatrists are accused of making the patient's complex more complex, by focusing on relationships and asking the patient stressful questions.

	::''Other cures are relaxation, a stress-free environment, soothing music, fun non-stress games, easy exercise, easy physical outdoor activities, coloring, "brain food" (like fish), the sound and smell of water, and regression therapy.''

	==Movie list==

	Because the movie list was so large and really added very little to the article directly, I moved it to a seperate list (]). ] 22:26, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

	== Dispute ==

	I think the links in the category box I put in should be disputed, since I don't think all of these illnesses are not a form of mental illness. That is why I have the disputed meta tag on top of the box. If anyone agrees, pleas edit the box and remove the links that are not a form of mental illness. Thank you.
	--] 14:05, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

	:As I stated on the main talk page, they all appear to be pulled from the DSM-IV (save for Multiple Personality Disorder, which has been renamed and redescribed as Dissociative Identity Disorder, already listed), which is about a strong a reference as we are likely to find for determining if something is or is not a mental illness. ] 22:11, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

	==Recovery Model==
	It's hard to believe that there's nothing here on the Recovery Model! We're behind the times here, folks. If I get a chance, I'll try to put something together--but I'm spread very thin now... ] 07:07, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

	==Mentally handicapped==

	It seems extraordinary to me that 'mentally handicapped' redirects to 'mental illness'. Mental handicap and mental illness are two are quite different things. (Schizophrenia is not a 'mental handicap'. Very low IQ is not a 'mental illness'.) ] 23:16, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

	:Schizophrenia is indeed a rather serious mental handicap, and mental retardation is indeed considered a mental illness. Both appear to be genetic, and both seriously impair a person's ability to function. ] 05:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

	::I'm not an expert on this, but the distinction as I understand it is that mental handicap refers to a birth defect or later brain injury, whereas mental illness refers to disorders with a less overtly physical cause (i.e. biochemical). (Possibly this is a UK-specific distinction.) I remember in the late 1970s or early 1980s there was a UK press advertising campaign specifically designed to educate the public into the distinction - photos of two men, one looking normal and the other appearing to have Down's syndrome or similar. The headline was, 'Which of these men is mentally ill?' The answer in the text being the normal-looking one - the other was mentally handicapped, not mentally ill. ] 19:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

	:::Well, according to the ], mental retardation and similar mental "handicaps" (by your understanding) are classified as mentall disorders, all of which fall under the blanket of mental illness. The distinction your suggesting seems a little weird, especially considering that its not at all recognized in medicine at large. Consider genetic diseases, like ], which are definitely "illnesses", or diseases caused by complications in pregnancy or birth, like ], also an "illness". Generally speaking, I think it's safe to say that anything that can be labelled a handicap for medical reasons can be called an "illness". I think perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that many people equate the word "illness" with "disease", which is something that can be "cured". Really, we're just talking about blanket terms that don't mean anything specific; it's more specific to say "disorder", "infection", or "condition" depending on what's being discussed. ] 00:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

	==Emotional disability?==

	I would not have thought that 'mental illness' could also be known as 'emotional disability' as I can think of countless 'mental illnesses' with no emotional manifestations. Thoughts? ] 01:11, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


	It is not necessary that a secondary article name be as precise as the primary name. Just that it is what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize as description of the disability.

	There has been a move in modern times to address the stigma of the disability and the language used to describe this condition. “Emotional disability” is a term that is a term that is considered to be better received. There are now over one hundred and seven thousand web pages that use the term.

	It is a term that is being used now when referring to school children with mental illness. --] 14:17, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

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"However, these medications in combination with non-pharmacological methods, such as cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT) are seen to be most effective in treating mental disorders."

Seen by whom? 185.120.126.5 (talk) 06:16, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

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Submission for inclusion into your article "Mental Disorder" along with 10 (ten) reliable sources of doctors/medical professionals:

Psychiatry is fraud/pseudo-science & mental illness does NOT exist because it is NOT proveable by any biological medical tests, & pharmaceutical companies are just looking to profit off this fraud by selling poisons, article by Citizens Commission on Human Rights (website: www.cchr.org):

"Real Disease vs. Mental “Disorder”

Psychiatric disorders are not medical diseases. There are no lab tests, brain scans, X-rays or chemical imbalance tests that can verify any mental disorder is a physical condition. This is not to say that people do not get depressed, or that people can’t experience emotional or mental duress, but psychiatry has repackaged these emotions and behaviors as “disease” in order to sell drugs. This is a brilliant marketing campaign, but it is not science.

“…modern psychiatry has yet to convincingly prove the genetic/biologic cause of any single mental illness…Patients been diagnosed with ‘chemical imbalances’ despite the fact that no test exists to support such a claim, and…there is no real conception of what a correct chemical balance would look like.” —Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist

“There’s no biological imbalance. When people come to me and they say, ‘I have a biochemical imbalance,’ I say, ‘Show me your lab tests.’ There are no lab tests. So what’s the biochemical imbalance?” —Dr. Ron Leifer, psychiatrist

“All psychiatrists have in common that when they are caught on camera or on microphone, they cower and admit that there are no such things as chemical imbalances/diseases, or examinations or tests for them. What they do in practice, lying in every instance, abrogating the informed consent right of every patient and poisoning them in the name of ‘treatment’ is nothing short of criminal.” —Dr. Fred Baughman Jr., Pediatric Neurologist

“Psychiatry makes unproven claims that depression, bipolar illness, anxiety, alcoholism and a host of other disorders are in fact primarily biologic and probably genetic in origin…This kind of faith in science and progress is staggering, not to mention naïve and perhaps delusional.” —Dr. David Kaiser, psychiatrist

While “there has been no shortage of alleged biochemical explanations for psychiatric conditions…not one has been proven. Quite the contrary. In every instance where such an imbalance was thought to have been found, it was later proven false.” —Dr. Joseph Glenmullen, Harvard Medical School psychiatrist

“The theories are held on to not only because there is nothing else to take their place, but also because they are useful in promoting drug treatment.” —Dr. Elliott Valenstein Ph.D., author of Blaming the Brain

“There is no blood or other biological test to ascertain the presence or absence of a mental illness, as there is for most bodily diseases. If such a test were developed…then the condition would cease to be a mental illness and would be classified, instead, as a symptom of a bodily disease.” —Dr. Thomas Szasz, Professor Emeritus of Psychiatry, New York University Medical School, Syracuse

“I believe, until the public and psychiatry itself see that DSM labels are not only useless as medical ‘diagnoses’ but also have the potential to do great harm—particularly when they are used as means to deny individual freedoms, or as weapons by psychiatrists acting as hired guns for the legal system.” —Dr. Sydney Walker III, psychiatrist

“No biochemical, neurological, or genetic markers have been found for Attention Deficit Disorder, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Depression, Schizophrenia, anxiety, compulsive alcohol and drug abuse, overeating, gambling or any other so-called mental illness, disease, or disorder.” —Bruce Levine, Ph.D., psychologist and author of Commonsense Rebellion

“Unlike medical diagnoses that convey a probable cause, appropriate treatment and likely prognosis, the disorders listed in DSM-IV are terms arrived at through peer consensus.” —Tana Dineen Ph.D., Canadian psychologist "

Source:

https://www.cchr.org/quick-facts/real-disease-vs-mental-disorder.html 2607:FB91:8C9E:4883:8D79:621F:1646:2047 (talk) 10:30, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Not done: requested edit is a copy/paste of the original source. Xan747 (talk) 14:31, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Views expressed are also WP:FRINGE and WP:UNDUE. Xan747 (talk) 14:33, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Add Obsessive Compulsive Disorders to their own category

It’s been a somewhat new development but Obsessive Compulsive Disorders (Like Obsessive Compulsive Disorder or Trichotillomania) in its own category as it has been found to be a bit different from anxiety disorders. (Here’s a source https://www.ocduk.org/ocd/clinical-classification-of-ocd/icd-and-ocd/#:~:text=So%2520OCD%2520is%2520listed%2520under%2520%E2%80%93%2520Obsessive%252Dcompulsive%2520or%2520related%2520disorders,6B21%2520Body%2520dysmorphic%2520disorder ) 2600:6C4E:1400:8B87:31E0:C115:F56D:C78 (talk) 14:07, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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