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== Suggestion ==

Given yesterday's excitement, how about a subpage for editors specifically to list FAs that they believe should never appear on the front page? Debate could take place there and kept well away from Talk:Main Page and the nomination/discussion page. This would at least give Raul and Dabomb some idea of what could generate a backlash, although it would be down to their personal judgement as whether to pay heed. (Note: I was personally in favour of yesterday's front page and this suggestion in no way implies that I believe Raul654 or Dabomb87 to be anything other than great at their job).<br>P.S. if this is the wrong location for this suggestion then please tell me and I'll move it. I'm afraid that in 5 years I've never paid attention to the FA process. Guess it's time to change that. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:56, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

:It's not the wrong location to place it, but again, Misplaced Pages is not censored...except for articles about porn stars. Two articles I wrote that have appeared on the main page received complaints from parents because their children had access to the information within them: ] and ]. Both articles address homosexuality, but neither of them discusses sexual acts in detail. I don't know what a list of articles in which people might object to some material in them would accomplish. Should someone tell me an article I wrote was so objectionable that it does not belong on the main page, the act of objecting on those grounds invalidates their opinion for me. This is an encyclopedia and people come here to be informed. If you don't want to read about stuff, don't come to Misplaced Pages. --] (]) 22:32, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
::I was very amused at the complaints over ] when it ran. The truth is, virtually everything will offend someone somewhere. I don't like the idea of creating a blacklist at all. ]] 01:45, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

:I am very much opposed to this suggestion. There would end up being so many proposals across a huge spectrum (since someone somewhere is offended at even the most innocuous subject) that we would essentially narrow possible FAs down to practically nothing. My opinion is that an FA is an FA. If it has reached that status, then it should be featured on the front page. An encyclopedia is not here to protect children from adult topics which encyclopedias cover. It is up to their parents to restrict their children's computer privileges or otherwise explain things to them. <font color="silver">]</font><font color="blue">]</font><sup>]</sup> 01:00, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

::Oppose. Only criteria should be the quality of the article, and the points system found on the main page. Misplaced Pages merely reports, so having a TFA on a controversial topic should not be seen as taking any particular advocacy position. --] (]) 11:21, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

== Two featured articles 9th Feb? ==

Not sure if I'm asking this in the right place, but were there two featured articles yesterday? I'm sure I saw one early on about a US soldier in Apache/cheyenne wars which I followed some links from, then when I checked back later the featured article was about a hurricane, with no mention of the earlier one anywhere. I guess it's entirely possible my browser's playing up or I'm loosing my mind. ] (]) 13:27, 10 February 2012 (UTC)


==Categories==
:The TFA was changed by Raul654 at based upon a discussion at ]. --'']''&nbsp;<sup>]</sup> 13:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
Literally every month without fail, at some point during the month a run of ] suddenly throws up a redlinked category of the "Misplaced Pages Today's featured article nominations from " variety (e.g. {{cl|Category:Misplaced Pages Today's featured article nominations from July 2024}}) which I end up having to create on your behalf, even though I'm not normally involved in this project, because of the rule around not leaving stuff in redlinked categories. So if such categories are routinely expected to exist, then would it be possible for this project to take steps to ensure that they get created either by a project member as soon as they're needed, or automatically by a bot at the beginning of the month, before they turn into work for other projects to clean up? ] (]) 20:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC)


::Thanks very much, that was bugging me and I couldn't work out where to look for the one that was changed ] (]) 14:53, 10 February 2012 (UTC) :I have no idea. I've been a coordinator for seven years and I have no idea what this is. At a guess, I'd say it's something produced by the template when TFA/R nominations are created. ] (]) 21:37, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
::{{replyto|Bearcat|Wehwalt}} these categories are a direct effect of a TFAR being accepted and scheduled. See for example {{cl|Misplaced Pages Today's featured article nominations from October 2024}} where all of the five TFAs were placed in the monthly category by edits {{diff|Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests/Battle of Cane Hill|prev|1250941534|like this}}, made either by {{user|Gog the Mild}} or by {{user|SchroCat}}, who used {{tlxs|TFAR top|2=monthyear=October 2024|3=passed=y|4=date=November 28, 2024}} (or something similar). So I think that it's up to these people to notice the redlink that may appear in the category box following an edit like that, and to create the category page to suit. --] &#x1f339; (]) 20:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Sure, except they very routinely ''don't'', because it always, every month without fail, gets picked up by the WantedCategories report and thus always, every month without fail, ends up becoming ''my'' job. ] (]) 20:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
::::I guess the two obvious questions I have are, is it worth having categories like this, and in either case, what's the most efficient course of action? ] (]) 20:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::Having read the discussion to this point three times I have no idea what it is about, what if anything I am doing wrong, or how if at all I need to amend my practices. Would it be possible for someone to talk it through a level or two down? Thanks. ] (]) 20:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::{{replyto|Gog the Mild}} OK. When SchroCat made {{diff|Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests/Wells Cathedral 1|prev|1249097118|this edit}} on 3 October 2024 (and I'm sure that it was a correct action), it put ] into {{cl|Misplaced Pages Today's featured article nominations from October 2024}}, but the category page didn't exist at the time - Bearcat had to create it themselves the following day after being alerted by the presence of that cat in ]. It's something that they have been going on about at VPT and other places for ''months'', if not years. --] &#x1f339; (]) 20:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I see, I think. Is there a way to automate the creation so we are sure not to cause you any further problems? ] (]) 21:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Or, alternatively, to alter the code so that this is no longer created? Because I suspect it gets next to no page views. As you saw by my initial reaction, it's not something useful in TFA land.] (]) 21:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::Agree. Is there a point to {{c|Category:Misplaced Pages Today's featured article nominations from October 2024}}? I'm new to scheduling and it's already an involved multi-step process, so not adding yet another step would be the better pathway. - ] (]) 04:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC) - ] (]) 04:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::The categorisation was added to ] by {{user|Bencherlite}}, the template's creator. Why it was done, or if it is necessary, I don't know; but Bencherlite is ] so can't be asked. --] &#x1f339; (]) 07:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::: - to me at least. There's also nothing in the archives of this page or of Bench's talk page where there was a discussion that led to it. It seems superfluous to requirements. - ] (]) 09:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::::I agree. Simply remove the code that produces this and no more problem, and we don't get talked about on VPT, wherever that is, and elsewhere. Can we agree to do this? ] (]) 16:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::VPT = ]. --] &#x1f339; (]) 16:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)


== Clarify instructions? == == December nominations ==


As scheduling coordinator for December, I announce that nominations for any date through 31 December may now be made. ] (]) 12:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
The guidance:
:"There may be no more than five requests on this page at any time for a specific date, and two requests for nonspecific dates."
may be confusing to some readers. Maybe it would be better to pull out the "at any time" to the front, since it applies to both objects (specific and nonspecific). Also some may read it as permitting up to five articles ''per date''. How about the following:
:"At any time there may be no more than five requests for specific dates, and two requests for nonspecific dates.
Thoughts? --] (]) 20:35, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
:I don't see a particular difference in clarity, but if you do I also don't see any problem with that edit. ] (]) 03:12, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
::When I first read that instruction, I thought it meant there was a limit of 5 ''per day''. I figured out that it was five ''total'' after watching the page for a few days. No big deal: if no one else sees it a problem, it can be left alone. --] (]) 03:20, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
:::I was reading this recently and also found it confusing. It does sound like it could mean 5 requests for any individual day. I had to stare at the page a bit to work it out. But Noleander, your suggestion still isn't quite free from ambiguity... It needs to be really spelled out, something like: "TFA requests are split into two sections: one for non-specific date requests, and one for specific date requests. At any one time, there may be only two requests in the non-specific date section, and only five requests in the specific date section." --'''] ]''' 11:24, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
::::That is fine with me. I didn't want to be too ambitious: I'm more of a slow-and-incremental kind of editor. But your wording is definitely clearer. --] (]) 12:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


The December schedule will be found ]. Nominations are still welcome and we'll adjust as need be.--] (]) 13:22, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
== Reasoning behind limit of 7 requested articles ==


== Old Dinosaur FAs ==
I've been watching this page for a little bit to try to learn how the Main Page selection process works. Can somebody explain the reasoning for limiting the requests to 5 articles that are tied to specific days plus 2 articles for unspecified days? Is it that there aren't usually more decent requests then that? Some other reason that I'm missing due to being new to this area? ] (]) 18:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


In the ], we recently started an initiative to collaboratively rework old dinosaur FAs (]). The first one, '']'', is finished now, and it just underwent an extensive, FA-level nitpick review (all within the WikiProject). However, the article now has very little in common with the version that became FA back in 2007 (these dinosaur articles become outdated incredibly quickly). Should we just nominate the article here again (the old version has been TFA in 2013), or do you suggest that we take any additional steps beforehand? Thanks. ] (]) 17:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:There's a bit of the history at ], including of how the page looked with 140(!) requests. SandyGeorgia's summary of the background to 5+1 (now 5+2) arrangement was "We ended up with the system because all other attempts to help Raul with mainpage scheduling were "gamed", and the page ended up being useless." There may be other explanations elsewhere. ]] 08:07, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:: I think that pretty much covers it, except for an update: we went from a situation of too many requests to now having too few. The nonspecific date slot is going largely unused now, so until/unless page traffic picks up again, it seems like the 5 + 2 is good. ] (]) 15:48, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

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Categories

Literally every month without fail, at some point during the month a run of Special:WantedCategories suddenly throws up a redlinked category of the "Misplaced Pages Today's featured article nominations from " variety (e.g. Category:Misplaced Pages Today's featured article nominations from July 2024) which I end up having to create on your behalf, even though I'm not normally involved in this project, because of the rule around not leaving stuff in redlinked categories. So if such categories are routinely expected to exist, then would it be possible for this project to take steps to ensure that they get created either by a project member as soon as they're needed, or automatically by a bot at the beginning of the month, before they turn into work for other projects to clean up? Bearcat (talk) 20:46, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

I have no idea. I've been a coordinator for seven years and I have no idea what this is. At a guess, I'd say it's something produced by the template when TFA/R nominations are created. Wehwalt (talk) 21:37, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
@Bearcat and Wehwalt: these categories are a direct effect of a TFAR being accepted and scheduled. See for example Category:Misplaced Pages Today's featured article nominations from October 2024 where all of the five TFAs were placed in the monthly category by edits like this, made either by Gog the Mild (talk · contribs) or by SchroCat (talk · contribs), who used {{subst:TFAR top|monthyear=October 2024|passed=y|date=November 28, 2024}} (or something similar). So I think that it's up to these people to notice the redlink that may appear in the category box following an edit like that, and to create the category page to suit. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:12, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Sure, except they very routinely don't, because it always, every month without fail, gets picked up by the WantedCategories report and thus always, every month without fail, ends up becoming my job. Bearcat (talk) 20:14, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
I guess the two obvious questions I have are, is it worth having categories like this, and in either case, what's the most efficient course of action? Wehwalt (talk) 20:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Having read the discussion to this point three times I have no idea what it is about, what if anything I am doing wrong, or how if at all I need to amend my practices. Would it be possible for someone to talk it through a level or two down? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
@Gog the Mild: OK. When SchroCat made this edit on 3 October 2024 (and I'm sure that it was a correct action), it put Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests/Wells Cathedral 1 into Category:Misplaced Pages Today's featured article nominations from October 2024, but the category page didn't exist at the time - Bearcat had to create it themselves the following day after being alerted by the presence of that cat in Special:WantedCategories. It's something that they have been going on about at VPT and other places for months, if not years. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
I see, I think. Is there a way to automate the creation so we are sure not to cause you any further problems? Wehwalt (talk) 21:09, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Or, alternatively, to alter the code so that this is no longer created? Because I suspect it gets next to no page views. As you saw by my initial reaction, it's not something useful in TFA land.Wehwalt (talk) 21:10, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Agree. Is there a point to Misplaced Pages Today's featured article nominations from October 2024? I'm new to scheduling and it's already an involved multi-step process, so not adding yet another step would be the better pathway. - SchroCat (talk) 04:52, 15 October 2024 (UTC) - SchroCat (talk) 04:49, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
The categorisation was added to Template:TFAR top by Bencherlite (talk · contribs), the template's creator. Why it was done, or if it is necessary, I don't know; but Bencherlite is WP:MIA so can't be asked. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:40, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
They don't look terribly high traffic or useful - to me at least. There's also nothing in the archives of this page or of Bench's talk page where there was a discussion that led to it. It seems superfluous to requirements. - SchroCat (talk) 09:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
I agree. Simply remove the code that produces this and no more problem, and we don't get talked about on VPT, wherever that is, and elsewhere. Can we agree to do this? Wehwalt (talk) 16:02, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
VPT = WP:VPT. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

December nominations

As scheduling coordinator for December, I announce that nominations for any date through 31 December may now be made. Wehwalt (talk) 12:32, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

The December schedule will be found here. Nominations are still welcome and we'll adjust as need be.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:22, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Old Dinosaur FAs

In the WP:WikiProject Paleontology, we recently started an initiative to collaboratively rework old dinosaur FAs (here). The first one, Thescelosaurus, is finished now, and it just underwent an extensive, FA-level nitpick review (all within the WikiProject). However, the article now has very little in common with the version that became FA back in 2007 (these dinosaur articles become outdated incredibly quickly). Should we just nominate the article here again (the old version has been TFA in 2013), or do you suggest that we take any additional steps beforehand? Thanks. Jens Lallensack (talk) 17:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)