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== Suggested APPROACH for the article: correct length, tone, and detail. ==
== Image wrong ==

The image associated with this page is the wrong image. That image is off howls moving castle, not whisper of the heart. If I can find a cc image, I'll change it. In the meantime if anyone else does ... (or I forget :-)) <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 23:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Article issues ==

All right. There are some serious issues going on here in the article:

*1. The article needs sourcing from various reliable websites, books and reviews.
*2. An IP hopper from France has insisted that the edits he/she has done are correct. However, I and {{user|Edward321}}, strongly disagree with this. These include seemingly disruption of the talk page ], using all-caps in the edit summaries (which are ]), and clearly violating the ] by adding personal interpretations of the characters.

As I do not want to edit war here, I am taking the ] route to see if anyone can voice their opinions on the matter. Thanks, ] ] (] - ]) 18:18, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, what do you mean by "IP Hopper". Are you just trying to be rude? Why? Yes or no - is one allowed to be anonymous on Misplaced Pages? the answer is of course "Yes". If so, what's your actual name instead of just an internet nickname?

It's worth noting that a number of points in the description were totally incorrect and completely unsourced "urban myths" in the earlier article (such as the total nonsense about "Disney requiring a different ending" and so on) - anyone who has seen the film would realise it was just wrong.

You insist that "yourself and Edward" strongly disagree with this. But you have not changed it back to the earlier, incorrect information.

Another good example is the section titled "Sequel". You can simply look up what "Sequel" means in the dictionary. It has nothing to do with a "sequel". It is a "spin-off" or some sort of related movie.

Can you simply STATE something that I "claimed was wrong" that was not in fact wrong? That is a very very straightforward question.


Building on the above "short example", here is JUST AN EXAMPLE of how someone will need to write this article.
Can you STATE one issue that you and Edward "strongly disagree" with?


The current article is a non-starter as it simply describes only half or less of the movie. We must also be mindful of the excellent points made by the new editor above ..
Are you able to do that>


* avoid even the "impression of" peacock words or POV
You seem to have a panic about the fact that I had to "SHOUT" in caps a few times to get some attention from "Edward". the problem was, Edward was simply reverting anything else anyone would do.


* get the length right
Do you understand that that sort of behavior is not really the right approach on Wiki?


We can add to this (one would assume)
It's worth noting that you have now completely rewritten the description, for no reason. Your writing style is choppy, not very smooth (just one oerson's opinion of course) - the previous version which built up over time was really quite good. But the point is you've simply swapped one totally acceptable description article, for another one written by yourself - with no real discernible reason or difference.


* it must actually describe all of the movie, not just the first half of the movie where "the lovers meet"
Are "yourself and Edward" desperate for "ownership" of this page? Or? Is it a common problem on wikipedia that you get fans who really "want ownership" of a particular page?


* there should be no incredibly detailed descriptions of "famous beloved" scenes
It all seems a bit strange.


Here we go. Hopefully someone who has the right to edit this page, can take a couple of hours to write an article something like this suggestion. Good luck!
Anyway, I am standing by, all ears, ready for you to STATE one specific issue that you and Edward "strongly disagree" with???


signed, Anonymous <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:13, 2 March 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> SUGGESTED ONLY article suggestion, with (1) completely avoid 'peacock/POV' problem (2) length (3) include all of the movie (4) no detailed scene descriptions of "favourite scenes". <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 10:05, 4 March 2012 (UTC)</small>


: Yes, well, at least the current page is in English instead of the gibberish you produce. ] (]) 07:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


== Requested move ==
Incidentally there are quite a few plain errors (e.g., "accepts 'her' offer", sentences in wrong order, etc) in this baffling new rewrite.


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Since this is clearly now a page where one or two contrubutors feel they really "own" the page, I urge you to at least proofread.
:''The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. ''


The result of the proposal was '''moved'''. --] (]) 19:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC) {{RMnac}}
You'v also completely forgotten to mention the major subplot regarding Yuko (although you appear to be, may I say extremely keen, to mention certain extremely minor details which seem completely pointless in a plot description.)


] → {{no redirect|Whisper of the Heart}} – No need for disambiguation since there is no other article titled "Whisper of the Heart". I guess the article is at the current title because the manga that it's based on had its own article (]) but it was merged last year. ] (]) 22:16, 14 February 2013 (UTC)
] (]) 20:30, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' No need for disambiguation here. <small>]</small>] 17:22, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
:]. And we need to remove extraneous details per ]. It will also help if you are more ]. ] ] (] - ]) 20:39, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' because the film appears to be the primary topic when compared to the manga. It seems possible to have an article about the manga, but I think it would be disambiguated. Basically, ] can be the film article, and ] can be the manga article if there is enough sourcing and effort. It can be similar to the setup of ] (a film) and its source material ]. ] (] &#124; ]) 17:35, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
::Actually, I think it we did a manga article it would need to be at Mimi wo Sumaseba since unlike the anime it was never released in the West and therefore was never called Whisper of the Heart.--] (]) 00:10, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - the film is the primary topic. There is absolutely no need for a disambiguation here. We could use this as the main page and the manga on a separate page. For example, Grave of the Fireflies has two disambiguated pages: ] and ]. ] (] - ]) 17:57, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
:''The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. <span style="color:red">'''Please do not modify it.'''</span> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.''</div><!-- Template:pollbottom -->


== Setting part ==
== incorrect use of "translation" ==


In the "Setting" section, it notes that there are "three shops where fans of the movie meet". Which ones are they? I don't know, so I can't add them. ] (]) 21:08, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
As already explained - at great length - the lyrics in the film (both the Japanese and ENglish versions of the film), have utterly no connection to a "TRANSLATION". In japanese the girls talk about writing new lyrics; same in the English version. In Japanese the lyrics have utterly no connection to the original John Devnver song, same in the English version.
:I've gone ahead and removed § Setting; it was not written particularly clearly, and was completely unsourced to boot. It was also giving me a whiff of ]. <span class="nowrap">—]</span> (]) 08:44, 24 November 2023 (UTC)


== About the recent reversions ==
I urge anyone very keen on editing this page to go ahead and correct this very obvious error.


Hey ], thanks for your contributions to this article. In response to ], ], so the English Misplaced Pages is under no obligation to make any particular statement just because the Japanese Misplaced Pages does. Also, the original statement being unsourced is a valid reason to remove it, not replace it with another unsourced statement. Let me know your thoughts on this. <span class="nowrap">—]</span> <small>(])</small> 06:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
] (]) 20:20, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
: Yeah, I know about the whole "Misplaced Pages is not valid source for Misplaced Pages" thing. To be fair, I made these edits in a bit of a hurry. However, I've since found a couple of sources that state that 1) The “Cat Returns” manga was actually released on March 2002, not May 2002, unlike what the article on “The Cat Returns” claims, and 2) the manga was apparently a request to Aoi Hiiragi from Miyazaki to serve as a companion for the release of the film, so it is more than likely that the story of the manga and the script of the film were written at approximately the same time, kinda similar to what happened for the novel and the film “2001: A Space Odyssey”, if you’re familiar with it. So I bet the best way to phrase this is to write something along the lines of “A spin-off of Mimi o Sumaseba, titled Baron: Neko no Danshaku, was published in March 2002, and an animated movie based on that story was released in July 2002 under the name The Cat Returns.” What do you think? Obviously, I’ll add the proper sources along with it. ] (]) 06:26, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
::If the sources don't mention anything about one being based on the other, then the article shouldn't either. I think it would be appropriate to mention the timeline of when each one was published, but making inferences about their creation past that point would be wandering into ] territory. Which sources are you looking at, by the way? <span class="nowrap">—]</span> <small>(])</small> 15:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
:::I've already made the change. Please have a look.--] (]) 15:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

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Suggested APPROACH for the article: correct length, tone, and detail.

Building on the above "short example", here is JUST AN EXAMPLE of how someone will need to write this article.

The current article is a non-starter as it simply describes only half or less of the movie. We must also be mindful of the excellent points made by the new editor above ..

  • avoid even the "impression of" peacock words or POV
  • get the length right

We can add to this (one would assume)

  • it must actually describe all of the movie, not just the first half of the movie where "the lovers meet"
  • there should be no incredibly detailed descriptions of "famous beloved" scenes

Here we go. Hopefully someone who has the right to edit this page, can take a couple of hours to write an article something like this suggestion. Good luck!

SUGGESTED ONLY article suggestion, with (1) completely avoid 'peacock/POV' problem (2) length (3) include all of the movie (4) no detailed scene descriptions of "favourite scenes". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.40.194.13 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, well, at least the current page is in English instead of the gibberish you produce. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:899:80ED:A6DA:BEAD (talk) 07:50, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 19:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Whisper of the Heart (film) → Whisper of the Heart – No need for disambiguation since there is no other article titled "Whisper of the Heart". I guess the article is at the current title because the manga that it's based on had its own article (Mimi wo Sumaseba) but it was merged last year. Mika1h (talk) 22:16, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I think it we did a manga article it would need to be at Mimi wo Sumaseba since unlike the anime it was never released in the West and therefore was never called Whisper of the Heart.--174.93.160.57 (talk) 00:10, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Setting part

In the "Setting" section, it notes that there are "three shops where fans of the movie meet". Which ones are they? I don't know, so I can't add them. 2600:8802:3A0B:3000:8044:EEC8:BA68:4204 (talk) 21:08, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and removed § Setting; it was not written particularly clearly, and was completely unsourced to boot. It was also giving me a whiff of fancruft. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 08:44, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

About the recent reversions

Hey Johnn Francis, thanks for your contributions to this article. In response to this edit summary, Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source, so the English Misplaced Pages is under no obligation to make any particular statement just because the Japanese Misplaced Pages does. Also, the original statement being unsourced is a valid reason to remove it, not replace it with another unsourced statement. Let me know your thoughts on this. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:05, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I know about the whole "Misplaced Pages is not valid source for Misplaced Pages" thing. To be fair, I made these edits in a bit of a hurry. However, I've since found a couple of sources that state that 1) The “Cat Returns” manga was actually released on March 2002, not May 2002, unlike what the article on “The Cat Returns” claims, and 2) the manga was apparently a request to Aoi Hiiragi from Miyazaki to serve as a companion for the release of the film, so it is more than likely that the story of the manga and the script of the film were written at approximately the same time, kinda similar to what happened for the novel and the film “2001: A Space Odyssey”, if you’re familiar with it. So I bet the best way to phrase this is to write something along the lines of “A spin-off of Mimi o Sumaseba, titled Baron: Neko no Danshaku, was published in March 2002, and an animated movie based on that story was released in July 2002 under the name The Cat Returns.” What do you think? Obviously, I’ll add the proper sources along with it. Johnn Francis (talk) 06:26, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
If the sources don't mention anything about one being based on the other, then the article shouldn't either. I think it would be appropriate to mention the timeline of when each one was published, but making inferences about their creation past that point would be wandering into original research territory. Which sources are you looking at, by the way? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 15:03, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
I've already made the change. Please have a look.--Johnn Francis (talk) 15:36, 6 September 2024 (UTC)
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