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| == ] == | |||
| It seems that this expert of Polish case in negotiations before ], world expert in cartography, glaciology, and climatology is really forgotten by Polish wikipedians. ] ] | |||
| == B-class review request (]) == | |||
| C'mon, people, isn't there anybody who can review a few articles? Sigh. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 05:59, 1 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::I did some CE and such, but I'd rather leave assessment to a native speaker who can review the style better than I can. ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 19:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thanks. I usually don't bother much with language assessment for B-class; this is something that reviews at GA+ classes can worry about. In fact, I do GA reviews and don't worry much about language, neither. There is only so much one person can do - it's almost impossible to find somebody who knows Misplaced Pages policies, topic subject and has good grasp of language, so one-person reviews will almost always be inadequate. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 21:08, 2 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| Done.] 03:33, 10 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == ] is about to get defeatured == | |||
| Thanks to VM for helping with a number of issues, but it is clear that the two of us do not have time or will to fix all of them. Does anyone else care to help? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 17:38, 1 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| : I can copyedit similar to Radzymin and ask intelligent questions about the content and look for any holes, having some familiarity with it as well as some sources. Time is limited but glad to help. Aside from any straight copyediting, do we have any key issues, they weren't clear from the last "cleanup" thread from last summer. If you'd like to post a new "Essentials" section with a list of to-do's necessary to maintain article status, that would help. Best! ]<small> ►]</small> 18:56, 3 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :: I tracked down the FARC. I'll try and take a look this weekend, and I might have some time next week. Best, ]<small> ►]</small> 23:03, 3 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :":behaviour of some commanders like Stanisław Bułak-Bałachowicz or Vadim Yakovlev." - bad guys were only on Polish side.] (]) 09:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Should partition-rulers be in the scope of our project? == | |||
| I was looking at ], and I noticed a number of Russian tsars there. It appears that articles of Russian rulers of Congress Poland are tagged with WP:POLAND. I don't think this is helpful; they are topics of importance to Russia project, but not really to us. For the same reasons, Polish monarchs are not included in the scope of Ukraine, Belarus, Prussia or Silesia WikiProjects. And neither Napoleon nor Hitler are included within the scopes of most the countries they conquered. G | |||
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| For the record, ], ruler of Duchy of Warsaw, is not included in our project. Neither are Austro-Hungarian and Prussian rulers (Kings and Queens of Galicia and Lodomeria, and Grand Dukes of Posen, respectively). | |||
| Going further, if one was to argue that the period of partitions makes the partition rulers important for our project, why not the partition country governments, and all the myriad articles about their economies, culture, and so on? It's a slippery slope that I think should be fixed before it gets worse. | |||
| I'd be inclined to include Frederick Augustus within our scope, but remove all the Russian rulers. Thoughts? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 21:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :I think it's a judgment call. Obviously Catherine had a very large impact on Polish history. But it's unlikely that our project members will be THAT interested in the article, or if they are interested in related article, it's unlikely they'll have trouble finding it. I can see tagging it within the project but rating it as "low importance". But removing them works too. | |||
| :I agree on Frederick.] 22:11, 6 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Frederick Augustus belongs more that the others. ] (]) 03:55, 7 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :: Monarchs or similar authorities should belong to the Wikiproject associated with the ruling power, not its subject territories unless there was some unique personal connection. (So, for example, I might go over to Lord Mountbatten to see if he's part of Wikiproject India.) | |||
| :: A more direct answer is that IMO a partition of Poland ≠ Polska. ]<small> ►]</small> 02:48, 7 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| Just to cause a bit of trouble, take a look at ] (I recently redirected into it, and cleaned it up . What should the criteria for inclusion be there? Should the Waclaw's be included (IMO, Waclaw II for sure, Waclaw III maybe)? What about folks like Zbigniew (Krzywousty's brother)? Or Bezprym, this "Otto Bolesławowic" fellar, the famous "Boleslas the Forgotten" or ]? I'm going with the usual "Poczet Krolow i Ksiazat Polskich" on this one, but it's the same sort of question.] 04:03, 7 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| : As long as it's Poland proper, generally yes. Waclaw III's assassination left two thrones open, leading to interesting consequences. So, significant even in his premature demise. ]<small> ►]</small> 15:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| : I'd include them all, under pretenders. Ideally, I'd also like to see all election candidates there, too. Now, they should have a smaller box/picture or such. I'd love to see this list improved with references, too! In other news: removed Russian tsars, added FA of Sax to our project scope. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 19:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| * You might also want to ask ] for his rationale for adding those articles to all those projects back in October 2011. --] (]) 15:13, 20 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Boring images == | |||
| I generated ] - maybe somebody will be interested ] (]) 20:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks, that's actually really nice. Is there way to, after reviewing the list manually, have a bot add them all in? | |||
| ::It is possible to create bot like this, but bot is unable to add captions ] (]) 22:17, 17 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Also, any way a similar list could be generated for biographies?] 02:14, 10 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes, it is planned ] (]) 22:17, 17 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :I am quite curious how such a list was generated? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 19:34, 11 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::Bot checked all articles on plwiki with a ], with interwiki to enwiki article with a ] - then it extracted images (using ]) and generated lists: ], ], ] (bot checked also interwiki to nlwiki articles with a Infobox plaats in Polen template) ] (]) 22:17, 17 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == B-class review request (]) == | |||
| I intended to write an article about king ], but I scanned wrong bio in the PSB. So here you go, Poniatowski's father, an interesting figure himself (creator and major figure in ]). If anybody could scan and send me SAP's bio from PSB, I'd gladly work on it in the near future. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 19:33, 11 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == B-class review request (]) == | |||
| This time, an article on a more general concept. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 20:32, 11 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Cheer up Kotniski == | |||
| {{user|Kotniski}} seems to have taken a leave of absence from Misplaced Pages. I think we should show him how much we appreciate his contributions on his talk page, and urge him to come back. He is (was...) one of our most active members. Let's show him we care! --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 19:02, 14 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == New articles == | |||
| I have recently written some articles about Communist Poland, feel free to improve them. | |||
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| More to come. ] (]) 23:54, 16 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Our interview == | |||
| ]. Thank you for participation, --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 04:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Welcoming new users and inviting them to a wikiproject == | |||
| You can use <nowiki>{{subst:User:Piotrus/w|Poland}}</nowiki> to welcome new editors and invite them to our WikiProject at the same time. Change Poland for other keyword to invite them to a different project. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 21:03, 23 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| If anyone has any sources about this person?? Krystyna Branicka could not be born in the 17th century because her mother was 7 years old in 1700. ] (]) | |||
| :Unreferenced bio with no claim of notability. I am not seeing a corresponding article on pl wiki. Prod it. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 21:31, 23 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :: Yah, I come from Bialystok and never heard of Branicki daughter. Probably she died young. Speedy deletion? ] (]) 17:22, 24 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::: ], with notification of the creator. Let's be nice. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 18:33, 24 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == B-class review request (]) == | |||
| Anyone, please? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 20:26, 24 February 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Merging Commonwealth history articles == | |||
| The text of ] has been merged with the text of ]. What remains to be done is the technical merge process, which will eliminate History of Poland (1569–1795). ] (]) 17:45, 3 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :] has a template that is useful for attracting admins. I see it was used, so this is just a note for reference to others. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 05:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == B-class review request (]) == | |||
| I am happy to announce the completion of another key article relating to the PLC; this time, the ]. A review would be appreciated. Once an article passes a B-class here I will try to get it to a GA, if not a FA (this holds true for the other B-class articles of our project). As always, assistance in passing those nominations is appreciated. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 00:21, 8 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == ] Sycowski (German: Neumittelwalde, until 1886 Medzibor), == | |||
| German names introduced in 1938 are illegal in Poland. A standard note informing about it would be useful to apply in the 1500 articles: ].] (]) 10:39, 8 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :But this one was introduced in 1886.] 21:37, 8 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm sorry, you are right. But eg. ] says 1928 - it was rather 1938. ] doesn't give any example, the article is linked only from ]. ] (]) 07:12, 9 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Poland-related images up for deletion at commons! == | |||
| I'm working through the images that are suggested to add to en.wikipedia at ], and many of them are Poland-related images without sufficient source information to determine their copyright status, and I am accordingly nominating these images for deletion at commons instead of adding them here. Of course, it would be better for everyone if they could be properly sourced! I've tried to do so, but obviously my Googling is limited by my non-existent Polish abilities. So I'll keep a running list below of some of the images I have nominated for deletion, and if anyone can find pre-1994 evidence of publication without a copyright notice, please add it so the images can be saved! Thanks, ] (]) 21:00, 8 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| : ] (]) 21:28, 8 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| == Polish civilian camps in World War II == | |||
| A new article, which still needs a lot of work. My time is more limited than ever, so if somebody has some time, I would appreciate expanding the article, working on references and style. ]. Thanks. ] (]) 00:44, 10 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == B-class review request (]) == | |||
| Continuing to improve the articles on the elements of Polish ]. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 19:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == ] - the lead == | |||
| The lead of the ] may contain OR. I don't know about any old Silesian language influencing Polish. There was no border between very similar Polish and Czech. Modern Silesian dialect preserves partially Old Polish, even Czech. Polish evaluated and ] was quite recently recreated.] (]) 13:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Dating problem== | |||
| Hello, it seems to me we have a major dating problem post 1900- on Polish articles. | |||
| Let's start from the beginning; | |||
| Congress Poland - | |||
| As of the English Misplaced Pages, ] lasted from 1815 to 1915. | |||
| As of the Polish Misplaced Pages, lasted from 1815 to 1918. | |||
| We need the correct dating fix. | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Second Polish Republic - | |||
| as of the English Misplaced Pages, ] lasted from 1918 to 1939 | |||
| As of the Polish Misplaced Pages, lasted from 1918 to 1945. | |||
| We have to consider the fact, Poland did not surrender during the Second World War, Poland fought till the end, therefore it is wrong to consider the dissolution of Poland in 1939. | |||
| I have proposed that this article be deleted. I was not sure which process to follow, ], or ]. Any comments would be welcome. Thanks, ] (]) 05:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| (Wrong Links - Second Polish Republic links to Nazi General Government (Polish-occupied lands) and Polish Government in exile, whereas the People's Republic of Poland flag-links preceding refers to Second Polish Republic) | |||
| == Dividing ] into two or three articles == | |||
| People's Polish Republic | |||
| As of the English Misplaced Pages, ] lasted from 1944 to 1989 | |||
| As of the Polish Misplaced Pages, the same years are presented. | |||
| The problem here is, the are absolutely no Polish Nation History links to this page. The preceeding, Second Polish Republic, only directs to Polish government in exile. (Third Republic of Poland does not have country-preceeding links). | |||
| Hi, I wrote more in detail about my proposal in the ], but in short, the name ] throughout history was used fir three different stations, one in the 1930s/1940s, one in 1940s–1990s, and current one built in 2021. As such, I want to propose to creating separate articles for them.] (]) 01:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Third Polish Republic | |||
| As of the English Misplaced Pages, ] lasted from January 30, 1990 - | |||
| As of the Polish Misplaced Pages, lasted from 31 grudnia 1989. | |||
| The date shall be changed from the current January 30 to December 29th or 31st, as on 29th the 'Balcerowicz' plan came to effect, and the consitution renamed itself to 'Rzeczpospolita Polska'. | |||
| == Renaming the ] to Democratic Party (Poland) == | |||
| Please find out as much as you can about these dates, and we'll try to figure it all out and change it altogether. | |||
| ] (]) 17:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| Please find out as much as you can about these dates, and we'll try to figure it all out and change it altogether. | |||
| Hi, I belive that the ] should be renamed to the "Democratic Party (Poland)". I think it would be a better translation of the name, and that current translation is wrong. Firstly, "alliance" means "sojusz", and not "stronictwo", which would be just "party". Word stronictwo, literally means 'a side of something', or 'a part of something', eg, a party. Futhermore, Polish title is in adjective form, so even "Democratic Alliance" would be more correct in this case. As such, "Alliance of Democrats" would rather be translation of "Sojusz Domokratów", than "Stronictwo Demokratyczne. What do you think? ] (]) 20:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Those cases may be looked into, but there is no need to seek absolute agreement between the Polish and English Wiki, or even among the different articles in the same language. Many issues can be looked at from different angles, depending on who is writing. Think of the ] of 1935. To some it was the only legally binding constitution until 1989/1990, to others it resulted from the ] and was therefore never legally binding. Different contributors will write different interpretations; errors and obvious impartialities need to be corrected of course. ] (]) 20:52, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Any people intrested in writing about WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate? == | |||
| :A solution is to find sources to support start/end dates. As in "according to X, PRL begun on date A, and ended on date B". And if there are multiple contradictory claims, discuss them in the article, and use the dominant claim for the article, with a note. As the mentioned articles are C-class or worse, such problems are just to be expected. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 20:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| Hi, I like writing Warsaw-related articles, such as about its neighbourhoods and buildings. But, I'm not the best when it comes to writing about WW2, and it's kinda a big topic when it comes to this city. So, I thought maybe there would be people with better expertise on the WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate with me. For example, I would write most of the article about some neighbourhood, and you would help me cover the revenant WW2 events in the history section etc? Idk, I just thought I could try to ask here. Feel free to write to me if you are interested :) ] (]) 21:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Should a map of Polish troops activity be included in the Battle in Berlin article? == | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| See discussion ]. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</sub> 19:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran ] 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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I have proposed that this article be deleted. I was not sure which process to follow, this one, or WP:AFD. Any comments would be welcome. Thanks, Kiwipete (talk) 05:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
Dividing Warszawa Główna railway station into two or three articles
Hi, I wrote more in detail about my proposal in the article talk page, but in short, the name Warszawa Główna railway station throughout history was used fir three different stations, one in the 1930s/1940s, one in 1940s–1990s, and current one built in 2021. As such, I want to propose to creating separate articles for them.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
Renaming the Alliance of Democrats (Poland) to Democratic Party (Poland)
Hi, I belive that the Alliance of Democrats (Poland) should be renamed to the "Democratic Party (Poland)". I think it would be a better translation of the name, and that current translation is wrong. Firstly, "alliance" means "sojusz", and not "stronictwo", which would be just "party". Word stronictwo, literally means 'a side of something', or 'a part of something', eg, a party. Futhermore, Polish title is in adjective form, so even "Democratic Alliance" would be more correct in this case. As such, "Alliance of Democrats" would rather be translation of "Sojusz Domokratów", than "Stronictwo Demokratyczne. What do you think? Artemis Andromeda (talk) 20:07, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Any people intrested in writing about WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate?
Hi, I like writing Warsaw-related articles, such as about its neighbourhoods and buildings. But, I'm not the best when it comes to writing about WW2, and it's kinda a big topic when it comes to this city. So, I thought maybe there would be people with better expertise on the WW2 in Warsaw, who would like to collaborate with me. For example, I would write most of the article about some neighbourhood, and you would help me cover the revenant WW2 events in the history section etc? Idk, I just thought I could try to ask here. Feel free to write to me if you are interested :) Artemis Andromeda (talk) 21:13, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Stadion Miejski (Białystok)#Requested move 5 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Stadion Miejski (Białystok)#Requested move 5 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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