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	Hello - I came across your addition to ], and was led to look at your recent article creations. I can see you're aware of the '']'' as a source; but you might not have noticed that related pages link to several of your articles (called "DNB Epitome"). It's a long story, but what it means is that text from the DNB is being made available (at Wikisource), to provide supporting references that are online, and also as raw material for articles. I'm going to bed now, but I'll look again tomorrow at what can be done. ] (]) 23:03, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
	: Thank you, this could be enormously helpful. I had no idea this was becoming available. ] (]) 02:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
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	::I've made general comments on my own talk page. What I have done just now is to add DNB citations to ], ], and ]. Don't hesitate to mention others for whom you want to create articles. The DNB text is public domain, so articles here can be created starting from the old DNB text. This requires only the addition of the template {{tl|DNB}} at the end for attribution. ] (]) 10:20, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
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	::You've been busy! If you check your watchlist you should see various edits I have made to articles you have created. Some are things that come up every time (subject in bold in the topic sentence, birth and death categories, defaultsort to ensure names are sorted by surname in categories). Keep up the good work: you are clearly exploring areas not yet well documented here, and there are numerous relevant DNB articles I can post to support all this (the DNB is good on hard facts, not on interpretation, so what is there is complementary). ] (]) 11:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
	:::Got your message = (I'm of the old-fashioned school, believing that generally talk threads can stay on one discussion page.) so *here*, I'm still learning how to use the talk side of Misplaced Pages. I'm a bit of bumbler with computers in total. Your DNB sourced additions to what were little more than stubs of what I'd done without access to DNB are spectacularly, and embarrassingly, complete. Is there a search function on the DNB epitome that allows to pick out key words like town of birth? ] Many thanks again. I doubt I can keep up this Christmas/New Year induced pace of busyness, but will try and follow the (subject in bold in the topic sentence, birth and death categories, defaultsort to ensure names are sorted by surname in categories).Best regards. ] (]) 00:29, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
	:::Sorry for being dense. If I'm reading the wikisource material correctly some DNB is on Wikisource, like ], but when I change the name to pick up wikisource material from Epitome entry e.g. ^ Anne Evans (1820-1870), poet and musical composer; daughter of Arthur Benoni Evans. (e.g. say I want to create an article on Anne Evans if I can find the wikisource)..nothing comes up. Is this because wikisource is incomplete, or because I'm doing something wrong? If the latter could you please point/explain on your own page so that other learners can benefit. Thanks! ] (]) 01:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
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	:you get a custom Google search that firstly restricts to the English Misplaced Pages, then looks for pages with Cambridge and DNB. Putting in DNB will mostly restrict the search to Epitome pages, but of course there can be other hits. That search would be quite long, but with say Kidderminster instead of Cambridge, I find it starts off with 15 Epitome hits.
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	*Everything Misplaced Pages is always 'work in progress'. For example in the search I have just described you'll see some of ]'s subpages too. You can disregard them, because they were a previous state of the Epitome pages. The Epitome pages still need much proofreading, so there is no guarantee that "Kidderminster" is properly spelled there in a given instance. (The Epitome is available as a big download also.)
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	*Over at Wikisource, we have certainly not completed the work: over 2000 biographies have been posted there, but that's out of a total of around 27,000. That was why I was suggesting that you mentioned any of particular interest. I spend time daily posting more, and while I have lists to work down of articles needed to reference Misplaced Pages articles, I might as well produce some that promote new work here.
	*There is nothing particularly skilful in what I have done in expanding articles of yours: just copy, paste and copy edit somewhat. It's routine, in other words. I regard it as supporting the expertise of another who clearly has more background.
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	I'll go and do something about Evans, Anne now. NB that the Epitome will list often people such as this lady, who only gets a short subarticle (she's in ]). What the text reads there is "Anne Evans, born 1820, died 1870, wrote poems and music, which in 1880 were edited and published with a memorial preface by Anne Thackeray Ritchie." The updated ODNB, which is copyright, says a little more. ] (]) 12:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
	:Thanks for looking on Anne Evans, it was an example so I could try myself, but thanks for doing it and a shame no more on her. I've tried the search as you say - throws up some useful local history and Unitarian leads. I hope you will be able to recycle some of what you have just taught me on a help page for other casual DNB newbies. Many thanks again. ] (]) 12:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
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	:By all means. The page on Evans the father is now there, turned out to be one I needed to do anyway, and took about ten minutes in all, the hardest part being some mental arithmetic to calculate the page number from a reference book. It is some justification of all the apparatus that it can work smoothly on occasion. ] (]) 12:42, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
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	This has all led quite a long way: see ], and additions by ] (who has some interest in Unitarian history), as we try to get this area more organised. ] (]) 12:33, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
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	== Huelgas Ensemble ==
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	Salve! I wanted to put Huelgas Ensemble on my to-do-list and realized that you did the work! Thank you!
	Yesterday I translated Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra & Choir to German, in a rush before it appeared on main page. Do you happen to know a good translation of the term "Early music". "Alte Musik" seems not quite right? I wonder also if "Early music" still applies, - they perform Mozart as well, in ]? - I will watch this page for an answer. Musical greetings --] (]) 07:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
	:Salve :) I also did ]. I'm not sure I'm qualified to give an answer, seems to me "Early music" is used much the same as "Alte Musik" or "Musique ancienne" to mean music before Beethoven, even if it is not H.I.P. such as ] and ], even though ]'s Bach is not "Alte Musik" or "Early music". Maybe ask on the H.I.P. page above? Cheers! ] (]) 08:22, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
	::Gratias! I fixed some links for "your" ensembles and Paul Van Nevel, (found Josp instead of Josep on the way ...,) found Erik Van Nevel twice (with Currende), - do you know if that is a different person or a spelling error? --] (]) 11:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
	:::Same area of music, but not same :) ] now has his own page, as far as I can find from Belgian press, they are not related.] (]) 12:55, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
	::::Creating a page - the perfect response! I linked two of those as well. Now I wonder if some Paul should have been Erik? --] (]) 14:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
	:::::Adding links (s. below): I created one more for Huelgas Ensemble, smile. I wonder if their way of performance in ] - in a circle in the middle of the audience, Paul van Nevel one of the circle, rotating, sometimes switching position - is typical for them or was special for that performance to be broadcast. The festival was surprised: half of the fixed benches in the church had to be loosened, turned, and all seat numbers adjusted. Imagine --] (]) 22:18, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
	::::::Yes it's a "thing" of his, depending on the piece performed: , . Don't imagine the stage hands like it :) ] (]) 13:59, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
	:::::::Then will you incorporate it in the article? - Btw I moved to ], feel invited, --] (]) 15:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
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			== ''Seven Souls'' ==
	A change such as ] &rarr; ] at ] is not problematic, where it is to a more common variant. But if you create the redirect first (Sand redirecting to Sandius, here), before changing, you get the best of both worlds. And there can be links to the variant that are obscured, for example as <nowiki>]</nowiki>, that could be hard to kind any other way than by having the redirect in place and noticing what links to it. ] (]) 08:23, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
	::Thanks, yes I'll be more confident in creating redirects in for the future. Though in this case I checked and the German name seems quite rare. Cheers! ] (]) 11:26, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
			Why is '']'' a redirect to '']''? It is utterly pointless, '']'' should be at '']''. ] (]) 14:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
	==More on early unitarians==
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	I'm interested in getting another link to ], currently called an "orphan" (the people who do that like to have three incoming links, and while I disagree with their definition it doesn't do to fight over these things). I put one in from ]; that relates to the controversial literature involving ]. I could put in a link by adding something to Bull's article; but I thought I'd ask you first, since I don't really have a perspective on the 1690s controversies (except that they were complex). ] (]) 12:29, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
	:Yes, complex and still not accurately systematized 300 years later. Are the letters between Gilbert Clerke and Newton (numbers 312 to 316) (in possession of the Burndy Library, New York) significant enough to mention him as a correspondent in the Newton main article? (I'd expect not) btw - if you have access to DNB material on ] and ] and also Dr Christopher Crell Jr. 1658- that can be accessed without too much labour? ] (]) 13:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
	::A clear deorphaning link would be in the last paragraph "influence" of ] so I have added Gilbert Clerke there. ] (])
	:::I can do something about Firmin and Manning now - I'm always happy to add articles by Alexander Gordon, one of the better DNB writers. There is something in the ONB about Crell in the article about Richard Browne, his partner in medical practice, but that is apparently all. ] (]) 15:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
	::::Goodo, I didn't get the impression that Crell MD was of any significance as a doctor. :) ] (]) 16:02, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
	:::::I've created ] from the DNB - mentions Crell at Oxford in passing, might be of independent interest. ] (]) 11:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
	::::::That's a name I've seen several times before, but without any clear idea until now, thanks. The Christopher Crell is clearly C Crell Sr. not Jr. so I've created a redirect of the link to ] (which is the naming of the Polish wikipedia page). ] (]) 13:30, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
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	== Gloria ==
	Thanks for adding to Huelgas Ensemble! Did you notice that I got Latin to the ] on Sunday, birthday of Bach?
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	] collected some composers (s. recordings) who don't have an article yet. Your list looks like you are the one who might know something about them. --] (]) 20:06, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
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	:Hi, I added ] and ], don't know much about the others :) ] (]) 05:50, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
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	Salve! Dealing with ] (one more link for the Huelgas Ensemble) I met a composer Scipione Lacorcia. You seem to know them all, how about this one? --] (]) 22:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
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	:Hi Gerda, yep one of Gesualdo's circle. I think what information there is in the booklet of the CD Kamp produced, I'll check it. ] (]) 01:41, 27 May 2010 (UTC)
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	== Thank you for adding my father's name in Korean ==
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	==Kim Chae-guk==
	Your edit at ] caught my attention. I expanded the context of your edit. After you review what I have added, I hope you will expand this section further. In addition, I wonder if you might be persuaded to review and improve a stub article about ]. --] (]) 17:18, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
	:Gladly. The other books by various Kim Chae-guks are not related by the way, just the Russian one - with its 60 stories. ] (]) 18:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
	==Ensemble Clément Janequin==
	I've got to alter my userpage now - since you created ]. I was bemoaning the lack of an article on them and you've gone and spoiled my moan. (I must get my one on ] done. Won't complain seriously if someone else does. Not that I'm hinting. I'd never do anything like that.) ] (]) 23:03, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
	:Sorry, first time to hear of and don't know anything about early Celtic music, but thanks for the tip! ] (]) 08:49, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
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	You seem to be as busy as ever. The DNB effort has some extra structure now: ]. I suppose there might be something in it for you. ] (]) 20:09, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
	== Which Alfonso Ferrabosco? ==
	Salve, can you tell me which ] composed what the Huelgas Ensemble recorded in 2005: the elder (1543–1588), Italian composer mainly active in England, and instrumental in bringing the Italian madrigal there; eldest son of Domenico Ferrabosco, or the younger (1575–1628), English composer, son of Alfonso senior, also a singer, and performer on the lute and viol? - Did you know ]? - Still some red link composers on ], smile, --] (]) 23:10, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
	:Hi Gerda :) Il Padre ] in discography clarified; Chelleri's uncle ] Maestro di Cappella del Duomo di Piacenza added ] (]) 02:00, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
	::Gratias! (Think Bach, my topic of the week, where I found Alfonso.) --] (]) 05:54, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
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	Is ] close enough to your interests? The article we have is not specially adequate, but the material in ] is now available. That article is suggestive about his theological views; the ODNB is also a bit guarded. A case for expansion, anyway. ] (]) 18:16, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
	:Hi Charles. Never heard of him, but now you've introduced will have a looksee, Cheers ] (]) 18:18, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
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	:Thanks, don't know how to do that, but please feel free to go ahead - and thanks for your work on Project Poland. ] (]) 00:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
	== Jakub Sienieński ==
	First of all thank you for your great work, I am interested in Socinianism and I think your contributions are extremely important.
	I'd like to know something more on the italian origin of Sienieński family. I red the article on ] where you write "His father Jan Sienieński (d.1599) was of Italian descent from Sienna", could you tell me the source of that sentence, so I can investigate further? Thank you.(]) 10:15, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
	:As it turns out it was either a variant spelling of "from Olesnica" (or an affectation from italianizing the Polish name of their home town?). Article corrected. At some point need to note which members of the family studied in Italy, and which merely studied with Italian emigres in Poland.] (]) 00:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
	== Annihilationism ==
	Hi, I noticed "in the blink of an eye" that your contribution to ] was informative and productive. Nice work, ] (]) 00:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
	:Thanks, very kind of you. It still needs some beefing up of 16th-19thC hist ref though. ] (]) 00:07, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
	: Sir, could you do something about this guy? ] He adds things and deletes things without explanation.--] (]) 12:15, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
	::Not sure what can be done, he seems to only edit that page. But asked him to please register and engage in discussion. ] (]) 00:18, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
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	::::Please check out the message I sent to ] concerning ] and his continuing unexplained deletions. Can we permanently ban this guy please? Thanks. --] (]) 20:12, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
	== ] ==
	Thanks for this - I've added a note to ], though. Best,] (]) 22:07, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
	:Thanks, expanded the reference from Polet's ''Patrimoine littéraire européen: anthologie en langue française''] (]) 23:52, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
	== Brunckhorst ==
	Salve, you seem to know all the composers personally, do you know more about a certain ] than the German. I just sang a refreshing Weihnachtsgeschichte but am not sure about sources. I followed your steps, starting stubs on ] and ] (expanded meanwhile). Would you know more, especially for Kent? --] (]) 14:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
	:''Die Weihnachtsgeschichte nach dem Evangelisten Lukas''? That's a beautiful piece - I would love to sing that. I recall that there is some extra information in the booklet to , I will see if I can dig it out. Kent is just a name to me, until you mentioned him I just thought he was an organist. But I see he like Croft and Boyce also composed anthems. Did you perform one? ] (]) 03:09, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
	::Thanks for your additions! Brunckhorst? Yes, that one, arranged for choir and brass, the choir singing also the arias! Kent: I added the anthem we sang ] to his article. We also performed it, for the fun of it, in the ] in Leipzig: quite a reverberation in the Generalpausen. New red links in ], I have no idea from the source if Lucas Osiander is the elder or younger in the ]. I bet you know more. Btw, we just listened to the Maitrise of ] in Renaissance Polyphonie: for the last two pieces, both for 12 parts, one Deprez, one a French lady born 1974, they stood in a circle in the middle of the nave, like the Huelgas Ensemble. --] (]) 09:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
	:::Thanks for adding to Martin Luther! My modest chorale addition (s.a.) will be on DYK for Christmas, do you think you can change some red links to blue? (A few of them have a German article.)
	:::::Hi Gerda would do but unfortunately don't know much/anything about the red links in ]. Congratulations on having it for Dec25th. Very appropriate. ] (]) 12:48, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
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	:Looks like a bot glitsch, the link appears to be from some sort of site that sucks up word searches and images, and does (in the sucked up material) briefly include a sentence mentioning the oratorio, but apart the link bears no resemblance to the content in the article. ] (]) 14:28, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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	Thanks you for your corrections ;) If I can, and my horrible english lets me, I will try to extend it and create others. P.D: I think that the correct name of a member of the RSBAP is "friend" ] (]) 10:37, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
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	I've drawn up a table of terms at ]. Please take a look and comment. ]] (]) 22:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
	==Biblical categories==
	I notice you've created a bunch of categories such as "Dutch Biblical scholars". This is a great category to have, but please note that according to ], "The adjective ''biblical'' should not be capitalized." ]] (]) 06:04, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
	:This should have been added at ]. Yes, maybe so, but I followed '''existing examples''' for American Biblical scholars (18 P), British Biblical scholars, German Biblical scholars, Israeli Biblical scholars (4 P) Jewish Biblical scholars (1 C, 48 P). If you want to change them be my guest. ] (]) 02:00, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
	== Chapel Royal ==
	Hi, your entry for Spain has grown. Your article on the Flemish Chapel has been used as a source. I now have some questions. In the Flemish Chapel article it is not clear whether the group of people concerned lived in Spain or the Spanish Netherlands. Both, in different periods? If the Flemish Chapel ultimately merged with the main Spanish Chapel Royal, when/where did that occur? Should the Flemish Chapel article be renamed Spanish Royal Chapel with a separate section on the Flemish Chapel? None of this is important to me (meaning after leaving you this note I will do no more about it) but it would be good if you could run your knowledgeable eye over the amended Spain section under ]. Many thanks. ] (]) 03:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
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	:Actually there is a similarity, because the BTS edu and a few words in the article both source from an obituary in the Bangor Daily News. I will fix the similarity. ] (]) 02:48, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
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	:Hardly surprising that the bot would pick up the only recording of the 1899 collection. The libretto of which is given as a link. But the historical source used is Jeffrey Richards ''Imperialism and music: Britain, 1876-1953'' 2001 p359 ] (]) 04:04, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
	== John Williams (of Sayingpan) ==
	I have deleted this, which you tagged db-r3. That left a deadlink from ]. It didn't seem to me that there was enough about JW of S in the renamed article to justify redirecting to that, so I have removed the entry from the John Williams DAB page, but I'm letting you know in case you want to restore it. Regards, ] (]) 18:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
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	==Perfection==
	I do not have an objection to the move, but it would be good to expand it a little at some point. The only other item there that needs help is 3 fold office. Cheers. ] (]) 09:00, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
	== Gospel of Matthew ==
	You have removed this link, ], from the second paragraph of the ] intro several times without explanation. The inline citation clearly mentions the Hebrew Gospel, so this link should stay in the paragraph per ]. The link will be once again returned to the article, and I ask that '''''before''''' you remove it again, please first discuss it on ] of the article. &nbsp;&mdash;&nbsp;<font color="darkblue" face="Ariel">]</font>&nbsp;(&nbsp;<font color="blue" face="Ariel">]</font>&nbsp;)&nbsp; 12:37, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
	:See talk. Explanation was given in line, the link is duplication / misnoma. ] (]) 01:00, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
	==We agreed not to edit for a time==
	Ictu, please respond at the ] talk page immediately. Thank you. - ] (]) 00:24, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
	::I have done so. Please remove POV and OR content or provide modern academic citations or allow other (majority/mainstream) views.] (]) 00:27, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
	== removal of Gesenius Hebrew dictionary links ==
	Okay, looking for a better online dictionary. See ] ] (]) 05:03, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
	== I took a look ==
	I took a quick look at the other three Jewish-Christian articles - man, what a mess. Frankly, I would avoid working on the Jewish-Christian Gospels article until the other three articles are stable. It was always intended to be a gateway article to topics related to the Jewish-Christian Gospels. Once the individual articles are up to encyclopedic quality, it should just be a matter of going back to the J-C Gospel article and writing up a brief synopsis for each one. Likewise, I would leave the GH aside for now, until the GN is a bit more stable. The two should be considered together because there is a disputed relationship between the two gospels.
	I read through the GN article and I'm not convinced that Schneemelcher's references are the best way to go, even though I know that is your preference. I would set aside all references from the margin of Matthew attributed to the Judaicon for now, and come back to these later in the process, in this or a separate article. Despite some scholarly wishful thinking, there is no proof that GN = Judaicon. That is an unprovable assumption that should be introduced as such.
	I would be inclined to start with quotations from Jerome that are "safe" - undisputed by several reliable secondary sources as being from the "Hebrew Gospel that the Nazoraeans used". If it were me, I would lay them out on your talk page or the article talk page by the primary source they came from and by the year Jerome published the letter or homily. This constitutes the "core" of the GN.
	Next, I would layer in the quotations made by Jerome that are "disputed", i.e., some or all authors may attribute them to the GH. Again, I would lay them out by primary source and by year. What I suspect may be going on here is what I call "Jerome's criterion of theological embarrassment", which affected not only him but modern scholars/theologians. The criterion is simple, if the quotation is not controversial relative to Nicene Orthodoxy, it's GN, otherwise it's GH. These should be considered in a separate section that overlaps with the GH article.
	Next, I would layer in quotations made by Church Fathers in the middle ages attributed explicitly to the "Gospel of the Nazoraeans" (something Jerome never did), as their own section. And finally, I would return to the marginal quotations from the Judaicon, which are also from the middle ages, either in this or a separate article.
	Well, that's probably enough free advice for what it's worth. Good luck. I may be taking a Wiki-break for awhile (assuming I survive arbitration, otherwise it may be a considerably longer break). :0) ] (]) 19:32, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
	::: :) Thanks Ovadyah. My preference for using the standard edition is simply that, agree with it or not, it's the standard around which all SBS type works reference these texts, and that makes the articles user-friendly for any Wikipedians who use general texts. Also if not the Schneemelcher edition, I wonder what other edition would be used? I agree with you that J-G is a gateway. Ideally what would be good would be a user friendly "here's the standard view, the standard edition" 10%, and then the other 90% can be under any pref that happens along. Cheers!] (]) 22:45, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
	::::I took a look at the ] and what a mess. At least we are in agreement there. Also no consensus. Lets work together to get rid of the POV pushing. Cheers - 23:54, 20 March 2011 (UTC)] (])
	::::? ] (]) 23:57, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
	Also > See ] Cheers - ] (]) 00:01, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
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	== Regarding edits ==
	Hello. I appreciate your concern, and communicating your points to me. By the way, I think your intro for the Holy Spirit article was very good. There obviously was too much POV in the lead, and the article in general, to be honest. The POV pushers need to be careful.
	But I'm a little confused. Because my edits were NOT "reverts" at all. But just simple modifications and just general edits and fixes of punctuation mostly. And I'm not sure about the "interrupts" thing. I simply saw unwarranted upper case letterings, etc, and fixed them. Also I elaborated on the Judaism Hebrew Scripture reference matter.] (]) 05:42, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
	== Talk:Yahweh (Canaanite deity) ==
	No, it never did get AfD'd.
	dab and I both took a block for disagreeing over what should redirect where (]) and the next on my talk page), after which I didn't want to go anywhere near clashing with him if I could help it. Also, I wanted to wait to see how things would pan out at the ] article -- whether there would be a discussion there, whether it would stabilise, etc. So I didn't go any further than just the initial shot across the bows on the talk page. ] (]) 23:50, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
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	== Thank you ==
	I was delighted about the Hänssler and Festwochen addition, + Jacobs and Pressler. Meeting Pressler at the RMF last summer was like meeting legend, --] (]) 19:47, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
	:Rheingau Musik Festival? I cannot believe you're going through the whole BWV adding Hänssler.. wow :O. I also did ] and ] but less to say. ] (]) 21:47, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
	==Holy Spirit==
	Hi, Someone reverted your changes, and I have asked them to hold off until you respond on ]. So your comments will be appreciated. The IP does have some valid points, but I think your input would help. Thanks. ] (]) 20:11, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
	== GAC article nomination instructions ==
	Here are the nomination instructions: ]. Keep in mind that after you submit an article for nomination, a new page will be created (just like the one for peer review), and there will be a time period when reviewers can leave comments on what further improvements may be necessary to bring the article up to ] quality. While anyone is free to leave a comment in theory, most of these editors are pros or semi-pros that know what they are doing. Once the comment period ends, the involved editors (which would be you as the nominator and any other editors that are willing to do the work) have a finite period of time to make the suggested improvements. Otherwise, the article will fail GAC. These are suggestions not commands, but I think best efforts should be made to take them seriously. Let me know if you have any questions. Cheers. ] (]) 23:23, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
	::Done.] (]) 16:46, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::I see it popped up on the list, so we are good to go. There is quite a large backlog of articles to review, but only three on topics related to religion, so the wait may not be too long. ] (]) 17:13, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
	==Proposed AfD==
	Please note that John Carter, despite a complete lack of engagement on the matter, has raised an AfD on the demerged content / ], which
	is consequently being considered for deletion. Please feel free to offer comments at ].-- cheers, ] <sup>]</sup> 19:50, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
	== Gospel of Matthew: commentaries ==
	A question: What would you name as the five most important recent commentaries on Matthew? ] (]) 13:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
	:::Word, ICC (France on Matthew), Eerdmann's, Sacra Pagina (Harrington on Matthew), NICNT, Anchor, Blacks, NIGTC are all good modern reliable mainstream series.] (]) 14:57, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
	== Request for input ==
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	By the way, I do notice that you are an editor actively engaged in a lot of religion related content. There is currently a page at ] which was specifically created to discuss any serious problems regarding religion-related content, specifically including among other things contentious topics and any topics which we think might be inadequately discussed in the RS's available to us. If you have any comments regarding any of the issues already raised, or wish to add any others to the discussion, I very sincerely hope that you feel free to do so. ] (]) 15:55, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
	:A few things I would ask you to consider, and, at your discretion, maybe involve yourself in.
	:1). There is currently a mediation regarding the Ebionites at ], which is scheduled to be followed by an arbitration case before the ], that committee having accepted the case pending the ending of the mediation. The mediator has indicated that any and all individuals are welcome to take part in the mediation, and I think any input you might have might be relevant.
	:2). I think that there may be problems with ] on the Ebionites article, specifically on the content regarding the Slavonic Josephus and the citation to that effect. I have left a message at ] about how it seems to me that the material might very well be cited in either Tabor or Eisenman, but it is a violation of policy to not indicate the true source used. This is also the subject of the new ] section. I know that any comments I would make would be discounted out of hand, and would on that basis welcome the review of any independent party of that citation, and, if it is a faulty one, any and all other citations added by the person who first made that one, to see if they might also be equally faulty.
	:3). Lastly, I note the section on biblical interpretations above. I know that there are several commentaries out there, and some are more or less specific to the particular Christian thinking that uses them. Knowing that is really miserable phrasing, I'm thinking of things like "fundamentalist," "biblical inerrancy," and "modern scientific" as a few examples of what I mean - prominent ways that the texts are interepreted. In any event, if you might be able to indicate which if any of such commentaries might exist which could, as it were, "cover the bases" of all the main approachs to biblical interpetation, that might be very useful in developing Bible related content. ] (]) 15:21, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
	::Hi
	::1. I looked last week, when you asked before about the AfD, and could only understand the AfD issue - which was clear. The rest isn't clear.
	::2. Not familiar enough to know. I'd like to help all involved, but as you can probably imagine ] and ] don't form any part of my library collection. I only got involved with the ] issue because of this freaky ] material. That doesn't require much detailed knowledge/interest in Ebionites etc.
	::3. PiCo asked, so I gave a list of more SBL type "technical" commentaries. But I think all of those series would cover all the bases. Word Commentary volumes for example lists in painful detail every view that there's ever been on any given half-verse. Which if you can stay awake reading can be useful.] (]) 15:40, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
	I believe I have addressed John Carter's concerns on the two pages he mentions. ] (]) 16:31, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
	I believe all that has been done is proven that whoever added that content initially did so in violation of policy, and that, if anything, there should be a more thorough review of all other material added by that person to see if the same violation of policy occurred regarding other sources. That source appears to have been added based on Tabor. There is no inherent reason to believe that Tabor (assuming he was the source omitted the first time) might not have misrepresented or placed greater emphasis on a specific clause in a reference to other works than the original author did. Should that have happened, I believe that, in all honesty, a thorough review of all the additions made by whoever made the poorly sourced addition of the SJ should be made, to see if they were also, apparently, copied without acknowledgement from (possibly) Tabor, and whether the original sources cited actually make the statements attributed to them in the way indicated by Tabor. ] (]) 16:51, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
	:John Carter, you have previously admitted that you have gone through every article and talk page edit I have ever made over the last six years. I assume if I added any of this material you would already know that. I don't think so, but I can't remember every edit I made 4 or 5 years ago. (That's what I have you for.) ] (]) 17:11, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
	::I would love to see the link to that citation, because I cannot believe I ever made such a statement. If you can't produce such a statement, however, this statement above would definitely show that you very grossly overstate (to the point of dishonesty) the statements of others for purely prejudicial purposes, in fairly clear violation of general conduct guidelines. Not that your doing so is in any way a surprise. ] (]) 17:39, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
	::::Guys, I've responded at the article's talk page. ] (]) 17:13, 16 April 2011 (UTC) :)
	:::::FWIW, the only real objections I have to the Authentic Gospel article are the amount of space spent reproducing the content of old works. It does seem a bit excessive. If there is an external site which provides that information, that might be preferable for a detailed discussion of the possible content. Beyond that, I have at ] and at ] produced all (in the first case) and most (in the second case) of those reference works which have been counted among the year's best by Booklist or the ALA over the past several years. I am myself glad to see the article exist, and think, maybe, if any of those books have relevant content, they might help. I don't myself think that I have immediate access to all of them, but if there are any you would like to see if one or more is available to me that you can't get, I can at least see if I can find them. I am also, less actively right now, trying to develop the various "Bibliography of" articles around here, like ]. In that regard, I am currently trying to get together the lists of reference works specific to each bibliography to add them. When I'm done with that, that might help. Also, if you don't have access to JSTOR or some other databanks I do, let me know and I can e-mail you anything I find from them. ] (]) 17:39, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
	In ictu oculi, for what it's worth, think about whether you want to engage in disputes like this on a daily basis. Arguments with Ret. Prof will seem like a gentlemanly discourse by comparison, and I don't want to see either one of you guys beaten to a pulp. Once you start down this path, your journey toward the dark side will be be complete. (heavy mechanical breathing) Just think about it. ] (]) 18:00, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
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	Hi and thanks for starting the article! I'm currently adding some bits to it using Bulgarian sources. It seems that some authors do identify Jeremiah with Bogomil, but there are conflicting opinions in the various sources. Best, <span style="text-align: center; clear: both; font-family:Georgia, serif; font-size: 10pt; font-variant: small-caps; font-style: normal;"> — ] ] —</span> 19:20, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
	: Thanks for starting Bogomil as well. It would be even more difficult to write than Jeremiah, as there's basically no biographical info about Bogomil. Understandably because of his importance, there's a vast amount of theories. I'll see if I can properly expand it tomorrow. Best, <span style="text-align: center; clear: both; font-family:Georgia, serif; font-size: 10pt; font-variant: small-caps; font-style: normal;"> — ] ] —</span> 19:47, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
	== Ebionites ==
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	Just a note. You're right that the whole John the Baptist thing needs to be chucked out. Pure ] ] (how on earth does the pre-Christian John the Baptist get jerryrigged into Ebionism, which is a Christian-Judaic sect that came into being decades ''after''?!!) violation by selective use of sources. As to the putative vegetarianism of the Baptist, (an anachronism by the way) there's a great monograph on this (reading which will only confirm how selective editors over there are in getting across what they want to put in) very complex, and controversial issue. James A. Kelhoffer, '' The diet of John the Baptist: "Locusts and wild honey" in synoptic and patristic interpretation,'' Mohr Siebeck, 2005). I recommend it. It's an intricate and fascinating read.] (]) 20:54, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
	:Centuries after. Yes, I've already read Kelhoffer, years ago. It is interesting. I've just turned "debate" into "Tabor" in the article.] (]) 21:00, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
	:I have fixed up all the references that deal with the ''putative'' vegetarianism of John the Baptist, verified page numbers, and provided inline quotations. If you think this is POV-pushing on my part, you are mistaken (and you guys should know better). I started by working with what I have, the material that was moved to the talk page in Sept. 2007. The first task was to verify the accuracy of the sources and to make sure that the sources supported the article content. I think that part is now ok, but please check to make sure. The next step is to NPOV this material. For all the talk on the talk page, there seems to be an overwhelming indolence when it comes to actually improving the content of the article. Feel free to pitch in and improve it. Cheers. ] (]) 22:59, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
	:Also, discussions about whether this content belongs in the Ebionites article are nothing new:
	::Michael, I think this sub-section on the Gospel of the Ebionites and the vegetarianism of JTB is ready to go back into the Ebionites article. There is nothing conflated here and it is properly sourced. This begs the larger question of whether the article should have a separate JTB section again or if this content fits better in the GoE or JTB articles with a link to this article. Ovadyah (talk) 16:24, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
	::I added the material back to the article under a separate John The Baptist section. We had it this way in the FA version. The larger question is still whether it belongs in this article, the GoE article, or the JTB article. It seems like an isolated fragment at the moment (though well-sourced). Is there a better place to put this? Opinions please. Ovadyah (talk) 23:47, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
	:I wouldn't expect In ictu oculi to know this, but Nishidani, you have no excuse. This has been my prime concern about this content from the day I added it back into the article, so don't make it sound like I'm POV-pushing. ] (]) 23:09, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
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	I've reverted your latest additions. Maccoby is not the only writer who, for example, holds that the Ebionites were faithful to Jesus's original message. Eisenman, Tabor, Schonfield and Butz spring to mind. -- cheers, ] <sup>]</sup> 17:11, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
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	... for your work on ] and ]. The musical life in Theresienstadt is an interesting and sad part of music history. Regards. --] (] | ]) 09:05, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
	:Thanks, was interesting for me too to do those articles.
	::Hi, I can't find the date online and in my library. I'll try to find out more tomorrow. --] (] | ]) 17:06, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
	::..I think there's a decent chance to find the date in the works Milan Kuna (Czech specialist on culture in Theresienstadt), his books are detailed and reliable. --] (] | ]) 17:14, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
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	Hi ]. Congratulations on your work on the biography of ], a missionary whose life has fascinated me for years. If you hadn't begun this article, I would have eventually gotten around to it. Perhaps I may have some bits to add, so I look forward to hopefully collaborating with you. As you will see, my interests range from biographies of churchmen and clergy from the eighteenth century onwards, along with members of the Porteous family (I'll leave you to work out why), so this would seem quite appropriate! Regards, Bruce – ] (]) 17:19, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
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	== Page protection... Not yet, sorry. ==
	I'd keep putting on uw-unsourced warnings until he gets to a level 4 and report him, but the edits are spread out enough that that won't work... However, the editor is trying to improve the reference, and has gotten far enough that he does deserve some explanation. But, in trying to find the source he is using, I instead found . Indeed, I can't seem to locate any texts which discuss Salome Alexandra's role in the Yeshu Toledot. Of , the first book mentions the Yeshu Toledot, the latter Salome Alexandra, but neither both. While I'm assuming good faith and assuming that Goldstein's "Jesus in the Jewish Tradition" does discuss this, it appears to be a now-rejected anomaly in scholarship. ] (]) 14:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
	:Dear Ian, the book you need is Jesus in the Jewish Tradition by Morris Goldenstein. I have read a lot of Bruce's works and he is a great Christian scholar, but he is simply not familiar enough with the Jewish sources he attempts to handle to understand exactly what he is talking about. It may "appear to be now-rejected" based upon what you have read, but appearances can be deceiving. ] (]) 08:06, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
	Excuse me, now you are accusing me of vandalism? Where and how, please show me the EXACT edit you interpret as vandalism? ] (]) 13:06, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	::See ] ] (]) 13:07, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	And if anyone is guilty of fringe it is you.] (]) 13:08, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::Van Voorst, Neusner etc are not fringe sources. As per ] you need to present sources other than a medieval rabbinical document for your ideas. ] (]) 13:13, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
	Sorry about there not being more OR reverters in Notzrim. My guess would be that Lilith draws in mythology editors or religion editors or pop culture editors, where Notzrim really only draws in editors that qualify as both religion and history editors. I will add it to my watchlist, though. Looking over his changes, yeah, he's giving ]. , but the most we can do is mention that the section discusses a Yeshu-ha Notzri . Looking further, it appears the IP . ] (]) 15:19, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
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	:If the ANI is stale, you could try providing a more complete description of the issues at ], otherwise I'm not sure what to suggest. Good luck, <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.0em 0.0em 0.0em; class=texhtml">]<sup>]</sup></span> 01:02, 16 June 2011 (UTC).
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	== Jewish Christian workgroup ==
	We are facing here one of the most frequently encountered problems here in wikipedia. Kirill Lokshin, toward whose statue I ''metaphorically'' bow every day, is a very respected editor who said some time ago that the tendency around here is for work groups or WikiProjects to start with all sorts of sound and fury, valiantly starting the development of pretty much all the articles that they think should be included. Then, once the majority of the articles are better than stubs, the enthusiasm and activity starting fading. I have every reason to believe that the early Christian content in general pretty much follows this pattern.
	There is a serious problem regarding early Christianity, one which another person I hold in deep respect, PastorDavid, pointed out some time ago. That is the generally poor state of development of most of the early Christian content. Unfortunately, given the disagreements between the Catholics and Orthodox, the Reformation churches, the Restorationist churches, and, actually, pretty much everybody on the planet today about this subject, there have, apparently, been very serious questions about what theories regarding these subjects should be discussed in articles, and to what extent in the articles. This also includes those individuals and academics who say Jesus may not have ever existed, and that the whole thing is some sort of really successful conspiracy theory.
	So far as I can tell, and this is, clearly, just a personal opinion, the best way I can think to proceed regarding this matter is for some of the involved editors to find and locate some of the most highly regarded recent tertiary reference sources and see what they say about the subjects. At the very least, if they are regarded as themselves being basically neutral, I would think the majority of the content in our articles should probably reflect the compendium of information from the most recent and most highly regarded of these sources, with, maybe, some additional material regarding the less highly regarded "fringey" opinions and/or the opinions of individual groups who have their own specific opinions regarding some of these topics.
	On some of these articles, like those about specific terms, this might not be enough, because there may not exist that many articles specifically about those terms to use as frameworks. Regarding the Notzrim, I am going to later today check over the usage of the term in the articles in the various databanks I have access to. If you want, I could forward to you, and maybe others, the material I find. It will be of course probably impossible for me to be able to prove that I have not maliciously and lazily overlooked some of the material I don't like, because it is impossible to prove a negative, but at least then those involved would have at least some basic idea as to at least some of the recent reliably sourced information on the subject.
	Man, I do blather on, don't I? Sorry about the length here. ] (]) 19:42, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
	::Not at all, that all seems common sense. And as you say this is a subset of early Christianity articles generally. But for some reason "Jewish Christianity" (misnoma?) seems to attract a higher rate/noise of POV/OR than dusty "patristic Christianity." No one gets too excited over Clement of Rome, for example. Yet anywhere where Tabor/Messianics/Yahwehists/Essenes/Gnostics-Kabbala-Enoch/etc. are involved the POV/OR/noise racks up exponentially. And SBL level sources get outnumbered with blogs. ] (]) 12:33, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::Jewish Christians may well be a bit of a misnomer, and it has certainly been challenged in recent years in the scholarly literature. That probably should be discussed at fair length in that article. And, FWIW, as a strictly personal opinion, the Messianic Jews are a comparatively new "trend" in religion. Generally, when such newer groups get significant attention, splinter groups tend to form. Also, unfortunately, there is the fairly hard fact that the early history of Christianity (say the first hundred years or so) is, pretty much, not supported to any significant degree by any contemporary historical sources. Religiously minded people have tended to swarm around blank slates in general, and, regretably, early Christianity pretty much qualifies as a blank slate. ] (]) 21:16, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
	== Deuteronomist, Priestly source ==
	I've been working on these 2 articles, ] and ]. Sort of a hobby, something to prevent me from doing something useful with my time, like learning the tuba or writing long letters to the Foreign Minister suggesting ways in which the world might be made a better place. I'd be right pleased if you could have a look and tell me where you think I've gone wrong. ] (]) 07:20, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
	:Re that article: if I were French I'd make some comment about being en train d'enculer les mouches. ] (]) 04:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
	::Ou de couper des cheveux en quatre. But, there is more than a fly's bum's between the theory that Christianity originated in a 500BC Samaritan group (which later emigrated to India) or originated in 50sAD. ] (]) 05:06, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::That is indeed bizarre. But he has some solid-looking sources - which unfortunately I can't check up. But I did look up the , where, around page 259, Steven Katz begins a mind-numbing discussion of the Rabbinic Response to Xianity. By the time he gets tom page 280 he's definitely tending to entertain, tentatively, even, one might say, with the turgid mental to-ings and fro-ings of one who has, as it were, spent too many hours reading the late James, the notion, if one may so put it, that the original Birkat h-minim never mentioned the notzrim. Which leaves us little the wiser as to where the term actually did come from, or what it meant, or where it went after being thrown out of the party. Lady Drower, of course, says that "It might be in Galilee that our original Nasoraeans are to be sought and Epiphanius may be stating a truth when he says that there were ... It is certain that Simon the Magian was never a Nasoraean!" (emphasis added in the form of an exclamation mark). Lady D appears also to have drunk at Henry's well, with all those mays and mights, and I'm glad she's certain of Simon. A certain Rudolf Macúch Lovely name, Lawrence Durrell could have used it) tells us that "there was little need in Nasoraean literature for such common notions as "beggar", "flea" etc". I'm much taken by a language that knows neither beggars nor fleas - the sign of a happy people. But, apart from the news that they itch not, neither do they scratch, I still don't know much about the Notzrim. ] (]) 00:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
	::Hi PiCo, the academic sources are sources I added, the IP just "adopts" them and rewrites content before the ref, which he/she presumably can't access(?). I think ] was the only one there before, but the IP hasn't particularly cited that. ] (]) 00:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::My problem really is that I have no idea what the terms mean. Have a look at , around p.50. But the general impression I get is that the word notzrim can't be definitely identified in the Late Classical writings. ] (]) 00:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Yes, I've read Teppler and cited the book several times in the article, it seems to be one of the most objective/up to date sources. No notzrim can't be identified beyond the identifications given in sources such as Teppler and the modern dictionaries. Which is why no OR/legends beyond those refs should be in the article.] (]) 00:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
	::::::What's this about watchers? I understood the Watchers were quasi-divine figures from late Hellenistic Jewish literature - either Jubilees or Enoch (Enoch I think) - whose job was to watch, but from heaven, not Earth. Definitelt not Christians, nor any other humans. ] (]) 01:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::Just coincidence I think. The Hebrew word for "watchers" in Daniel which is the origin of the angelic watchers in Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Hebrew word for "watch-tower-keepers" in Jeremiah which the IP (following a medieval rabbinical tractate) is trying to connect with pre-Christian "Nazarenes" are two unrelated Hebrew terms. ] (]) 01:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::Rabbinic tractates don't qualify as reliable sources - tho there might be a problem convincing the IP of that. Might be able to include the rabbis as a curiousity. ] (]) 01:22, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::::The academic sources I added do mention those sources, they have to as that's the primary text territory, unfortunately (from the IP's view) the same academic sources also qualify them as "late" "dependent on the Talmud" OWTTE etc. Which doesn't help the origin mythology of the ] people I guess, if that's what's behind these reverts. ] (]) 01:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::::That article is weird beyond redemption. Misplaced Pages unfortunately gives ample space for weirdness, and there a limit to what can be done to counter it. I prefer to tackle the big ones, like the main books of the Hebrew Bible - if I can introduce reality there I may achieve something worthwhile. (Tho always bearing in mind that everything in wiki is writ in water - does anyone read Keats any more?) ] (]) 01:57, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::::::::] article is weird? Yes, but is at least sourced to one of their church's published texts. And yes wiki is writ in water, but responsible sourced edits do at least stay on the surface of that water in mainstream articles, which ] is, and anything Messianic isn't. :( ] (]) 03:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
	I'd never heard of Lady Drower before - quite a lady. And what a period that was - she could have (no doubt did) hobnob with ] and ] (who once turned down a marriage proposal from a millionaire without being aware that he'd made it - he was as obscure as Henry James) and ] and that mad Englishman who created the Jordanian army. God I was born in the wrong century, 1900 was the right year, provided you survived that bumpy bit in your early 20s. I went looking for Gertrude Bell's house in Baghdad - it's still there, miracle of miracles. And the contents of the British Council library were for sale on the pavement in Mutannabi Street - a Lebanese friend (who insists that the Lebanese are Phoenicians, not Arabs) got a complete set of Burton's Arabian Nights (first subscribers' edition) for $200. And a Brit friend found a strange little brass box with an inscription identifying it as Bonny Prince Charlie's cash-box - presumably genuine, since why would anyone bother to fake such a strange relic, but how did it get to Iraq? And myself did find a whole antique shop full or curiosities - a wooden fan-contraption with a handle at the far end (you got your fan-wallah to stand behind =turning the handle while you, the sahib, enjoyed the breeze and a post-prandial), and a silver tray inscribed with a Persian hunting scene, and a horse-hair fly-whisk with a solid silver handle, and the hood-ornament from a Rolls Royce. I bought nothing, being too afraid of Saddam's ability to sniff me out (they were all regarded as National Heritage). Ah timidity, you've been the death of me!] (]) 02:57, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
	:] or ]? Yep, certainly an era. I guess Notzrim AfD/merge stuff can be on the Talk page there? ] (]) 03:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
	::Is it possible to be nostalgic for a time before one was born? Possible yes, sensible no. No doubt someday someone will look back and murmur how wonderful it must have been to have lived through those wonderful years of the early 2000s. To be at the party and miss the fireworks, how tragic.
	::Yes, the Talk page on the article seems best.
	::Not TE Lawrence, he only ever visited Iraq once, and he didn't get off the boat. Dahoum was dead and he saw no point in living. ] (]) 03:30, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
	== Re:Notzrim ==
	All I can say is, you are a very patient person.] (]) 22:39, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
	:It would be possible to report to ANI, leave a note asking for input on the religion topics noticeboard, or maybe ask for a third opinion at ] about the conduct of the IP. Those would probably be the best way to go to get multiple independent and neutral editors involved. Also, it might make sense to file a request for comment as per ] to generate a wider discussion. ] (]) 16:16, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
	::Where is this consideration taking place? ] (]) 01:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
	:::At this point I believe that the article would likely be deleted were it considered for deletion as per AFD. I myself have found no particularly substantive discussion of the Notzrim in any sources which would lead me to think otherwise. However, I acknowledge that you who have spent more time with the subject probably know better, and would welcome your opinions on the matter. ] (]) 18:14, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
	::::At one point I thought it worth keeping, but I am going with Jayjg's original REDIRECT and have proposed an AfD/merge to ] on ], what's the next step? ] (]) 23:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
	You know that if you implement this AfD/merge you will be risking an all-out edit war like the one in 2004, right? There is a reason for the three articles. You might want to check the archives to understand the issues before you proceed. Cheers. ] (]) 19:55, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::No, I know of no such issue. This is a simple case of a duplicate Hebrew/English article. ] (]) 22:56, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
	::::Ok, whatever you say. ;0) ] (]) 23:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Fascinating to notice the rather clearly stated threat of an all-out edit war, by the way. :) ] (]) 15:17, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
	::::::I don't think I was even around when this edit-war took place seven years ago; even if I was, I don't know the details. I don't have a dog in this hunt, but it think you two are greatly underestimating the complexity of this subject. Sooner or later, an expert will come along and find a problem with this mass-merge and the subsequent <S>ham-handed</S> rewrite. This entire subject urgently needs the attention of an expert. ] (]) 16:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::::::This talk can go on the page. Far from being a "ham-handed rewrite" it has removed unsourced/fringe views, but still can go back to a REDIRECT, this meets AfD/merge requirements. ] (]) 22:38, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
	::::::::I apologize for that remark, and I will strike it from the record. ] (]) 01:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
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	Hello. Please see ]. It has been proposed to merge two articles. Thanks. --] (]) 14:02, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
	:Fixed/merged thanks. ] (]) 00:10, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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	== Jewish Christianity work group ==
	Personally, I would agree that it would be good to have a Jewish Christianity work group, to deal with the Messianic Jews, the various other Jewish Christian movements of the past few hundred years, and the various groups of the early centuries of Christianity which apparently had Jewish leanings. And, actually, there is one, officially, at . The primary problems I see are the unfortunate lack of editors who are specifically interested in the topics, as well as, as a lesser point, the fact that I personally know of no specific reference/overview books on the subject which might be able to be used as basic guideline indicators for content. There is a bibliography article for the topic of Jewish Christianity, but, at least so far as I have seen, a lot of those works are to some degree or other proposers of new (sometimes rejected) theories, and not that many really "neutral" overviews.
	It might, emphasis on ''might'', alternately make sense to maybe create a group to deal with "early Christianity", pretty much dealing with the often contentious topics of groups from early Christianity which have, for the most part, apparently died out or been merged into other groups. I have noticed a bit of a distressing tendency for some new groups to attempt to say that they might be revivals of one or more of these earlier variations on what those groups sometimes call "true Christianity". There are at least a few highly-regarded reference works on that topic, which often indicate the sources for their specific articles, and it may well be easier and more productive to maybe create a working group for such content, given the higher number of high-quality reference/overview sources available which could be used as indicators of weight in the articles. I am more than willing to do what I can in regard to either topic. I seem to remember you having indicated some other problem articles in your eyes. Stupid me, I forgot where, though. If there are any sources which support those POVs/theories, like, maybe, some theories about how some Indian Nasrani groups claim to be descendants of some other groups, there certainly could be potentially an article on, for instances, ], which might more easily meet N and POV requirements. Anyway, if there are any articles in particular which you think I might be able to help with, I feel stupid asking you to tell me what they are ''again'', but I will see what I can do. ] (]) 20:53, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
	:P.S. FWIW, I have also recently seen an old Shiite group which called itself the Nazayroi or something similar, which, for all I know, might be in some translations referred to as Nazarenes. That group might be the ] (?), but I got the impression that the group had gone moribund. Anyway, it might be worth checking to see if there is any reason to maybe see if they have ever been called something similar enough to be included in the Nazarene disambiguation page.
	== 2010? 2011? Recording of '']'' ==
	I see that you have added this recording to the box.
	However, if you check the top of the box, the name of the characters are all listed, so there is no need to repeat them below. More importantly, the singers' names should appear in the order in which they are listed above so that reference can be made to who is singing what role.
	I've done a little tidying up and re-ordering to comply with the system which exists across the board for all opera recordings. ] (]) 16:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
	:Yes, sorry I was in a hurry. Will try and go back and tidy myself.. ] (]) 16:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)
	== Just a few notes ==
	Hi, eye-glance! It wouldn't be diplomatic for me to edit Jesus in the Talmud, but might I offer you the following notes for your consideration?
	*Weasel words used repetitively:
	-(a)'''Some''' editions of the Talmud are missing '''some''' of the references, which were removed either by Christian censors starting in the 13th century, or by Jews themselves due to fear of antisemitic reprisals, or '''some''' were possibly lost by negligence or accident.'
	-(b) However, '''most''' modern editions published since the early 20th century have restored '''most''' of the references (I have a cite for this for Israeli printings since 1948 but it would probably be contested as not RS)
	*Citations needed
	(a) Talmud was banned by the Pope in 1553,
	(b) Index Expurgatorius in 1559.
	Both may be supplied from Amnon Raz-Krakotzin, ‘Censorship, Editing, and the Reshaping of Jewish Identity: The Catholic Church and Hebrew Literature in the Sixteenth Century,’ in Allison P. Coudert, Jeffrey S. Shoulson (eds.) ''Hebraica veritas?: Christian Hebraists and the study of Judaism in early Modern Europe,'' Uni. of Pennsylvania Press, 2004. pp.125-158
	(a) 1553 Sept 12 Pope Julius III issued a papal decreeing confiscation and burning of all copies of the Talmud in the Catholic world,p.125
	(b)Put on Index 1559 p.132
	*Note 5. Trude Weiss-Rosmarin (1977) , is not in the bibliography but used here, though the text is a reprint in that anthology of a section from Jacob Zallel Lauterbach‘s ''Rabbinic essays,'' Hebrew Union College Press, 1951 p.475. Since Lauterbach’s book is in the bibliography, economy of citation would suggest eliding Weiss-Rosmarin and citing Lauterbach’s book directly.
	*Strack’s book is missing the umlauts.
	= 'die Häretiker und die Christen nach den '''ältesten jüdischen'' Angaben.'
	*Johann Christoph Wagenseil ‘s ''Tela Ignea Satanæ, sive Arcani et '''Horribiles''' Judæorum Adversus Christum, Deum, et Christianam Religionem Libri,'' ('Flaming Arrows of Satan, that is, the secret and '''horrible''' books of the Jews against Christ, God, and the Christian religion') which discussed Jesus in the Talmud.
	=read ‘terrifying’ for ''horribiles''. ‘Horrible’ has lost its original latinate force and flavour in modern usage. ‘Horror/horreo’ in Latin usage means anything that literally makes your hair stand on end.
	*Maier wrote ''Jesus von Nazareth in der talmudischen Überlieferung'' (lacks, unlike other books a bracketed translation: ‘Jesus of Nazareth in Talmudic tradition’). Hope this helps. Best ] (]) 13:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
	:::::Ola Nishidani. Good to see you're around, all very useful will employ 100% of it, when the opportunity presents and if can get a merge. Knew the ''horribiles'' ;) ] (]) 13:33, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
	== General comments ==
	Several things at once here.
	One, I remember you saying that you saw some POV pushing in the content you deal with. If this is the case, or if you have any other concerns about user conduct, probably the best way to deal with the matter is to raise the issue with the POV pusher or person involved in the conduct causing concern, at either their individual user talk page or discreetly in the article talk page, and ask them to adhere to the guidelines for POV. If that doesn't work, one might ask some other uninvolved party to review the situation, and make whatever comments to you or the other person that they deem required. If that still doesn't work, and the conduct in question continues, then you might be able to file a request for user conduct at ] regarding the conduct in question and ask for broader input. The person you called in earlier could be the "co-signer".
	Two, one of the ongoing problems I have seen regarding some of the content is the overestimation of the theories of Robert Eisenman. I found a 2005 issue of ''Dead Sea Discoveries'' which contains a piece on how some theories which have been found to be "scientifically impossible", including Eisenman's, according to the article, still receive substantive attention in the media, and often tend to be presented in the media in a way which might be seen as lending those theories more credibility than they really have. I think that there is sufficient basis for a ] which would deal with among other things such matters. If you would like me to e-mail you the pieces, I will. They are available online from JSTOR as well, if you have access to that databank. ] (]) 17:08, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
	::Hi, you're probably right that there is, but it's quite scary how that could turn out, given that there are so many "true believers" for any fruitcake theory on Misplaced Pages. Can I think about it and get back to you? ] (]) 16:36, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
	== My brownie ==
	Hey, thanks! ] (]) 00:40, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
	== Redirect ==
	Hello. It seems you recently created the page ], which you redirected, undoubtedly unintentionally, to itself. If you can, please correct this page to be a valid redirect; otherwise, it will most likely be deleted. --] (] Russ) 09:36, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
	== ] ==
	Thank you for creating those interesting articles. When you create beyond-stub articles with inline references, like ], please consider nominating your work for front page exposure at ]. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 19:25, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
	== Barnstars and Baroque composers ==
	Your award of a barnstar for work on the ] list is much appreciated! ] deserves his place{{emdash}}it's been a bit of ongoing project of mine to try to make this list as comprehensive and reliable as possible. I see you have been busy too making a start on some articles for redlinked composers. Very useful.
	One question, if I may ask: What is your reason for removing the redlinked Pedro de Araújo from the list? The dates given for him may not have been correct{{emdash}}the Grove edition I consulted says ''fl.'' 1662–1705{{emdash}}although elsewhere it's given as c. 1640–1705. I've been unable to find a good non-subscription biographical link for him so far, although his Batalha de 6. tom is . I can't honestly say I know much about him but here's an excerpt from what Grove says:
	<blockquote>'''Araújo , Pedro de'''
	(fl 1662–1705). Portuguese organist and composer. He was a leading figure among secular and monastic organists in the archdiocese of Braga during the last quarter of the 18th century... He is known to have composed 13 keyboard works and another six can be attributed to him on stylistic grounds...</blockquote>
	Not to be confused with ], BTW. ] (]) 13:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
	::Mistake, fixed thanks ] :) ] (]) 22:03, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
	:::No problem. Thanks for creating the article ] (]) 22:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
	== Re Yeshu ==
	::You happen to be right on most points, but the majority refuses to budge, and therefore the article will remain the mess it is. As soon as you drop it, my hunch is the page will no longer be edited, which may be a good thing, since it is unreadable. My practice is, if I find the 'community' unresponsive to commonsense, I work another page where things can get done without endless nagging. The rule is, unless you can expeditiously run through a poor page, and fix it to minimum standards of informed clarity, it's a waste of time to persist remonstrating logically and with evidence on the talk page. The last time I wrote a commissioned article for an encyclopedia, I was asked to do so by the general editor, who held a view of the subject diametrically opposed to my own. It took a week, and, except I think for one minute grammatical correction (it was for a foreign language work), was published as written. That is how the real world of scholarship works, on recognition of competence and trust in fairness. See you around, Cheers ] (]) 11:22, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
	== Thank you… ==
	…for your very kind words on my talk page. I hope that, despite our differences of opinion, or perhaps as a result of them, we can be able to collaborate together to make this project better. -- ] (]) 23:42, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
	== Talk page templates ==
	When you create a new article, would you be so kind as to add the talk page assessment templates? For bios, you just need to add <nowiki>{{WikiProject Biography|class=|living=}} and appropriate country project template, like {{WikiProject Poland|class=|importance=}}</nowiki>. See ]. In the articles themselves, add the stub template if appropriate, usually country-bio-stub will do for bios. See . If you could go over your past creations, this would be much appreciated. Those templates are very useful for active wikiprojects, as they feed into article alerts and other data feeds, see for example our feeds on ]. Thanks! --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 22:07, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
	:Is this really too much to ask? :) --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 18:15, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
	== Red composers ==
	A ] was assembled from works of several composers, mostly red links. Do you know more? - The Huelgas Ensemble returned, but only to sing praise to the cigar, not exactly my taste, --] (]) 22:15, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
	:Hi Gerda, I recognise 1 of the 3 names, have opened stubs on all 3 and will try and fill in. :) ] (]) 00:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
	::Thank you! Excellent music! I noticed one composer had a red link already, --] (]) 09:19, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
	:::More music: a mass by Alessandro Striggio and his famous 40-part ''Ecce beatam lucem'', combined with others, two red ] (didn't know where to place it) --] (]) 12:03, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
	==Aaronic priesthood incoming links==
	Re: the move of ] to ] and the creation of a disambiguation page at ]. That's a good decision in my view, but there are several incoming links now the disambiguation page that need to be resolved (per the ]) and linked to the correct page. Most of them need to go to ], I think. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:01, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
	::I second that as a good decision.--] (]) 20:00, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
	== Virgin Birth ==
	I would be very interested to know your views as to whether or not it is worth mentioning ]'s suggestion regarding the Virgin Birth of Jesus. That was included in my edit at http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Virgin_birth_of_Jesus&diff=446053315&oldid=442209340 ... but my contribution was reverted yesterday (21 August) by Wiki-Editor "History2007".--] (]) 10:09, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
	::Hi, Sorry but History 2007 is one of the best editors on those kind of pages, and the revert was correct. That kind of one-man idea might be notable on the article of the individual, but not in a main article. ] (]) 11:21, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
	:I have to say, I am curious why you have made the virgin birth the centerpiece of several articles, or at the very least strongly emphasized it, even when this topic was only marginally important in the life of the individuals discussed. It is almost as if you want to assess every Christian based on what his belief in the virgin birth was.--] (]) 02:12, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
	::In a word, subcategorisation. "Non-Trinitarian" is a ] umbrella term, therefore the subdivision of Non-Trinitarians into Arians, Socinians, and Psilantropists is also primarily a Christological subcategorisation. Also the fact that we have Latin Polish and Hungarian documents detailing the differences between Arians, Socinians, and Psilantropists 1570-1750 demonstrates that it was important enough <u>to them</u> to debate, publish and often excommunicate each other. Likewise the distinctions in Christology between a William Whiston, Theophilus Lindsey and Thomas Belsham was important enough <u>to them</u> to debate and write on it, or we wouldn't be able to subcategorize. What other aspect of Christology is used to subcategorize Non-Trinitarians?? ] (]) 02:42, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
	:::The Christological subcategories Arian and Socinian are based on pre-existence, not the virgin birth. In fact, one can be either and believe in the virgin birth or not. The issue is irrelevant to those subcategories. For example, even if I believe that Christ pre-existed his human life and was born as a man, I do not believe that Mary had to be a virgin. She could have had sex with Joseph whenever. It doesn't matter. The issue is related more to the doctrine of biblical inerrancy than it is to Christology. And check your facts. No one in the Unitarian movement was excommunicated for acceptance or rejection of the virgin birth.--] (]) 16:15, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
	::::The general point is actually covered by ]. ] (]) 11:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
	==]==
	Does this person mean anything to you? I'm coming at him from the pansophic direction, but he had a lot to do with refugee Protestants (Bohemian, Moravian and Polish Brethren). There is also something unexplained about relationship with Jews in Amsterdam, and the reputation as an "orientalist" (National Portrait Gallery) suggesting there might be some missing portion of biography. There's a book linked to Poland. Under different names he crops up in various places. ] (]) 09:55, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
	== Mnachem Risikoff ==
	Hi, In ictu oculi - I just reverted your moving "Mnachem Risikoff" to "Menachem Risikoff" because you say it is "usual English spelling." This issue was discussed on the talk page and everyone agreed NOT to move it. "Steven" may be the usual English spelling for that name, but if an individual used "Stephen" his whole life, we don't list the person as "Steven." I have many books by this man and the author is listed as "Mnachem," and I even have papers with his personal "stamp" that shows "Mnachem." The Library of Congress has papers on file for him as "Mnachem." That was the way he spelled his name when he used English. Thanks! ] (]) 16:12, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
	:::No problem, but I did check Encyclopedia Judaica before the move. Fine by me. ] (]) 17:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
	::::<s>In Ictu Oculi - Thanks! Added some notes on names, including a link to a photo of Risikoff's stationery. But I have another question, and thought you might be able to help. In your note on the Mnachem Risikoff talk page you asked if there were a microfiche or other record of the Brooklyn Eagle article quoted. By going to http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html and typing in "Resnicoff," the article that is quoted comes up as the 8th .pdf image. However, I can't figure out how to link that page for a footnote, since only the search page URL comes up. I wonder if you know a way to come up with a URL that will go straight to the page that is cited? ] (]) 16:31, 1 September 2011 (UTC)</s> Figured out the link! http://www.fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%205/Brooklyn%20NY%20Daily%20Eagle/Brooklyn%20NY%20Daily%20Eagle%201942%20Grayscale/Brooklyn%20NY%20Daily%20Eagle%201942%20Grayscale%20-%206232.pdf#xml=http://www.fultonhistory.com/dtSearch/dtisapi6.dll?cmd=getpdfhits&u=a583d7c&DocId=14036424&Index=Z%3a%2fFulton%20Historical&HitCount=3&hits=30e+375+41c+&SearchForm=C%3a%5cinetpub%5cwwwroot%5cFulton%5fNew%5fform%2ehtml&.pdf Will add to article. ] (]) 16:37, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
	== logic? ==
	What logic is there for primary sources to not be in footnotes? See that not putting them there causes unneeded article bulk and exhaustion of the casual reader.--] (]) 18:04, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
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	I commend you on your changing of Hebrew into English. But you forgot ]! ] (]) 11:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
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	May I remind you of what we talked about on ]? Please do not translate all Hebrew terms in Judaism. That is what articles and internal links are for. ] (]) 23:54, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
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	:How to fill - you can again see this from looking at a few entries, usually it is just a <nowiki>|class=|importance=</nowiki> with class being stub, start, C, B (GA, A, and FA being awarded by the community), and importance, low, mid, high, top. There are some additional variables you can read at ], and some projects have more complex templates with taskforces, but this is not something to worry about from day one. And of course you are right, many projects are inactive. That's sad, but we can hope they will be revived one day, and that will be more likely if they'll have tagged articles. At the same time, there are projects that are quite vibrant. Frankly, it takes only a few people to make a project active - perhaps you could try to look at breathing some life into those you think should be more active (I draw my line at trying to maintain and be actively involved with three projects - Poland, Sociology and Pittsburgh). --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 01:28, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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	I suggest we close discussion and reach a decision on this proposal to merge. I don't see a consensus. I suggested on the talk page that you might want to consider changing the article title to avoid confusion, but I can't justify deletion of the article content. Cheers. ] (]) 20:40, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
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	What is a "Joshua-rabbi"? ] (]) 01:07, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
	:Thanks. The "Yeshu" theory still doesn't explain the ع at the beginning of عيسى, but if it's advocated by reputable sources, it can be included... ] (]) 06:11, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
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	Since it was quite hard to grub up any biographical information, I called on a friend and expert; and there is now plenty to go on. But the theology ... can I hand it back to you? Allin was obviously on some sort of terms with ]. Besides a letter from Wilberforce printed in one of Allin's books, there is this mention: . But I can't place any of this myself. ] (]) 22:07, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
	::Thanks Charles, I'll see if there's anything else to add. ] (]) 23:14, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
	== Michael Schneider ==
	Thanks for him and the festivals. I tried to link, most went to conductor, there's also "musician" on top of "organist", I wonder if it's two or three different people and who is the vice president of the Frankfurt Musikhochschule? Please check, --] (]) 12:36, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
	:Thanks. I found that the flutist is the vice president. But I still don't know if Michael Schneider (musician) is one of the two we know (and which one?) or a third with a very common name, --] (]) 14:01, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
	::He has a bio at bach-cantatas, but that is the same as La Stagione, same sort of English. If you add sources for the recordings he's ready for DYK, smile, --] (]) 21:15, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
	== Request for assistance ==
	Please take a look at what I wrote at the end of the ] discussion page. As we discussed, I modified the page based on the ET. But now I am concerned that what I did was vandalism, and I would appreciate your advice on how to proceed. (This besides my explanation for removal of the Bible section, which I think you misunderstood.) I will be back (hopefully) on Friday to look at it.] (]) 09:08, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
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	Well, you certainly are a gentleman! I put off looking at the comment because I hate fighting, and I was very pleasantly surprised when my intemperate comments were returned by such kind words. (The main reason for the tone was you comment to another that you had no time to continue, so I kind of felt my hands were tied.) I would have accepted anything short of a threat, but frankly you made my day.
	Regarding Ger v'Toshav, I think the point is more that for someone to take a particular statement in the Talmud and explain that as an explanation of a particular verse in the Bible, would be both POV and OR, the former because it is the Talmud's view only, and the latter because the Talmud will often use a verse as a place to "hangs its hat" (''asmachta''), rather than as the actual meaning of the verse; and even if it does, it is not necessarily explaining it on the level of the simple meaning (p'shat). (One place where it is pretty clear they are deriving it directly is regarding the discussion in Pesachim of the verse regarding non-kosher beef, "to the ''ger'' you shall give it and he shall eat it, or you shall sell it to the ''nochri''". I don't have the locations at the moment, but I will look if you wish.) But to answer directly, the only thing I could do there would be to do a search on a talmud site. I own a Biblical concordance, but not a Talmudic one.
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	::Reply to your last post on my page. Reference to Rashi where only the toshav is Ger Toshav, other things.] (]) 22:21, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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	* It is a major source of Jewish law. Together with the Shulchan Aruch, it has more commonly-used books using it as a framework than anything except the Bible and Talmud. It also has the comments of the second Raavad as glosses, which form some major disputes in Jewish law. In many cases the Rambam's language is adopted by the Shulchan Aruch, and so on down the line of Halachic guides.
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	So this is why things appear to be about the Ramabam's view of something, when they really aren't.] (]) 13:24, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
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	IIO, 1) you could pose the question in more detail to ]. Be sure and include link(s) to the merge discussions you are concerned with and the specific actions you are contemplating. Some wise admin will help you out. 2) Even admins should not close discussions they are involved in, so if the discussions you are contemplating closing involves pros and cons and you have taken sides, you should not close them. Even when I change my mind and withdrawn a nomination for a move or merge, I don't close the discussion I started. Hope that helps. Don't hesitate to ask questions anytime. --] (]) 08:49, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
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	Hi In ictu. Come now, what's up? You have managed to arouse a united front against you at ]. I would suggest that you ], otherwise it seems that so many Judaic editors are not going to go along with your latest wave of edits to change 100% legitimate Hebrew terminology especially of religious notions. Come now, ''every'' language is allowed to use its words on the English WP, see for yourself the hundreds if not thousands of categories of various foreign words used on the English WP at ]! You seem to be goading, inciting and confronting the very experienced and learned Judaic editors in violation of ]. I would suggest you take a deep breath, step back from the brink and proceed with more sensitivity. If I can be of help, let me know. Sincerely, ] (]) 19:05, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
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	::Sorry Izak I just confused you with Mzk1 on the other talk page. When it's expressed nicely as Debresser, or in fact yourself or Mzk1, it's fine. But when someone calls someone names, has deletion tantrums, all for simply applying WP policies per reliable sources, then its not really fine is it? There's inevitably going to be a cultural difference between what Debresser, perhaps fairly, called "ivory tower" sources, the Jacob Neusner, Reform, SBL, JE, JPS sources vs the more populist Artscroll type sources, I recognise this. And it may well be that I would do well to recognise this better. But it isn't just the WP:UE issue, there's also the breadth of articles - the way an encyclopedia, the Encyclopaedia Judaica 1971 for example, tries to cover the whole chronology of a topic, though again, sensitivity, I do realise that the Ancient Near East in particular is a sensitive and potential goad to religious believers, and goading should not be the purpose of an encyclopedia. It is a goad to Christians too, and many of them have no interest whatsoever in the "Old Testament." However... there have been some very silly deletes recently, I'm living with them, but can live without having polemics as well. Thanks for your comments. I'm more than happy to chat. Take care :) ] (]) 11:13, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
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	== The Arabic name for Enoch ==
	Hi there! I'm awfully sorry to trouble you but I'm curious as to where you find the spelling إينوخ in Arabic? The following is a quote from ] with an addition by al-Razi (Imam Mohammed Ibn Abi Bakr Ar-Razi - Mukhtar us-Sihah) given in brackets:
	ويقال: سمي إِدْرِيس عليه السلام اكثرة دِراسَتِه كتابَ الله تعالى واسمه أَخْنُوخُ (بخاءَين معجمتَين بوزْنِ مَفْعُولٍ). This is in agreement with what is found in the other books of classical Arabic such as ] & ] as well as in the Arabic translation of The Bible. Please let me know about the origin of the spelling that you've offered and forgive me if I've inadvertantly caused offence.
	Peace, respect & best wishes to you.
	--] (]) 05:38, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
	::Hi there, it was just a casual restore given that it had been in the article (not by me) a long time and when I checked on the ar.wikipedia Idris article that إينوخ was used there, not أَخْنُوخُ. But I could be wrong - this is a name which typically has variant spellings in every language. By all means remove it on the article page to Talk:Enoch - and also add those sources above with publication years to the main article as ref. Do you need any help doing that? Glad to help. :) ] (]) 11:43, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
	::Thanks so much for the speedy (& helpful) response. In response to your question - Yes please. I'll take any help that is on offer. I have to confess to being a bookworm that is still struggling to understand how to do this internet editing.
	¡Hasta pronto!
	--] (]) 23:20, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
	==Cuza==
	Thank you. Much like you, I'm not sure what name the article should have, but the issue should be swung by intelligent arguments, not by puerile forum shopping or embarrassing red herrings. I'm not sure I deserve the reward, though: it is way too ''easy'' to find arguments against the "it's defamatory" nonsense; it is harder to find the patience to still debate on such grounds with the eternal obscurantists. Cheers, ] (]) 15:12, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
	:I actually think that Gscholar points against the "Alexander John" variant. (Look again, you might have inverted the results.) As I have said, I am not against that move, as much as I am against getting to articles moved through "extortion", with such as absurd claims as "defamation". I also tend to leave articles as they are when I find them, if there's no obvious problem with the name, because consensus generally yields continuity and coherence. In this case, it was at the Anglicized variant until some internet meme formed around goodness knows what group of soccer hooligans or schoolboys, who would be hard pressed to even utter a sentence about Cuza that is not some tacky and basic cliche. I think, whatever the outcome, that any such move should be considered is with decent and dispassionate debate. Otherwise, the trolls just grow bigger. ] (]) 06:22, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
	I haven't. But anyway, technically, he was vandalizing my post in a lame effort to flame and taunt me. By now, ]'s only hope in hell is that I actually lose my temper, but I'm still cool as a cucumber. ] (]) 00:27, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
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	== Re Step-Before-RM ==
	In the twinkling of an eye - I think your idea of using an RFC is a good one. You'll need to decide a couple of things: 1) What is the scope/question being posed in the RFC? and 2) What is the best WP venue to conduct the RFC? The answer to the first question will significantly inform the answer to the 2nd. As to the first question. For RFCs to be successful in achieving their objectives, the question(s) being proposed must be clear, concise and objective. In other words, an editor reading the RFC must clearly understand what the question(s) is/are, what policy/guidelines are in play and what they would be supporting/opposing should they chose to participate. On the objectivity of the RFC, it must be written in a manner that allows an objective assessment of the question(s) without having to discount obvious biases in the way the question(s) is/are worded.
	An RFC that gets a lot of visibility will also certainly get a lot of input that will be contrary to the position you are interested in. That's OK, and actually healthy for WP, if the discussion is framed clearly, concisely and with objectivity.
	Now, how to get started. I have found from experience in other RFCs that when the initiator of the RFC drafts the RFC first in their user space, the better the RFC is. Dumping an RFC on the community without having some prior review by knowledgable and interested parties generally results in some mis-communication and mis-understandings. All that can be avoided if the RFC is drafted first in the user space, getting a few expert eyeballs on it, and correcting it while in draft. Then when you do go live, you'll have a better RFC and will understand better what the proper venue is. So, I would encourage you to begin drafting the RFC in your user space. (and I'll be glad to help once I understand what the big questions are).
	As for venue. If the RFC deals strictly with issues for a single article, then the article talk page would be the appropriate venue. If the issues involve a whole family of articles, then a project talk page or policy/guideline talk page might be the best venue. That decision can wait until the RFC draft is ready.
	Hope this helps. Will be glad to look at anything you draft up and provide further advice as necessary. --] (]) 15:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)
	== RMs: please take care with capitalisation ==
	Hi Ictus.
	Your RM proposals are interesting and valuable; but I wish you would take more care with capitalisation. Of course the first letter is to be capped automatically, so show it that way (so editors are not distracted from what is important). And you seem to oscillate between "kabbalah" and "Kabbalah" (for example) in the text accompanying the RM. Leaving this for others to fix is not helpful. Capitalisation is a considered element in titles, not something automatic.
	Thanks!<font color="blue"><big>N</big><small>oetica</small></font><sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:57, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
	::Thanks for the pointer, checked with WP:RS for WP:CAPs and fixed. ] (]) 04:09, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
	== Of Valour ==
	Discretion may well be the better part of valour, but a bottle of decent Cabernet is frequently the better half of indiscretion. ] (]) 08:56, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
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	== Quotes ==
	Please note and , where I fix quotes which you copied incomplete. ] (]) 02:41, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
	::Thanks, very helpful. It happens. ] (]) 02:52, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
	::: I am actually very proud of having noticed them and having taken the time to fix them. I just wanted to let you know. ] (]) 03:11, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
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	== Geza Vermes ==
	] (]) 12:28, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
	== Request ==
	Hi In ictu: Why are you trying to force your ] sensibilities (based on your own editing record) on the Judaism editors? What would your reaction be if the Judaic editors were to invade the Hebrew-Christian articles and flood them with all sorts of moves, redirects and content without first seeking consensus in such sensitive terrain? You have made your points about "English ubber alles" now it's time for you to take a few steps back, see ], and stop causing so much turmoil in every article with a Hebrew-sounding title you come across. The "sources" you keep on citing to back up your own POV only makes matters worse because you are twisting them to back up your own agenda. Please could you relax and try working on the Christian articles. There have been problems in the past when Hebrew Christian scholars and editors have gone on such sprees before but it only breeds resentment and animosity. I remain truly yours, ] (]) 05:48, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
	:Hello IZAK
	:There are a number of personal assumptions you're making which I won't address.
	:
	:Back to the ] and ] problems with the series of recent article creations at hand, there evidently is, today, a range of different Englishes in use in translation of the English Tanakh, Mishnah, Talmud, (and commentary and interpretation following) just as there are a range of different Englishes in use in the English Quran and the English New Testament (and commentary and interpretation following). And that range is illustrated in the Danby, Neusner, Steinsaltz and Schottenstein translations (and commentary and interpretation following).
	:That's one thing, but do any of these four translations have, for example, '''בית דין של כהנים,''' in ] in Ketuboth 5. Do any of these four translations have '''ברב עם הדרת מלך ''' in romanization in Bikkurim? It's fine to translate articles from he.wikipedia into English, but to do so with no regard for academic, Reform Jewish, or even in this case no regard to even the English of ], Ltd., not usual practice, as far as I can judge, on en.wikipedia.
	:Normally I don't think that people would consider that ] and ] would be "twisting" or "going on a spree" etc. when they translate rather than romanize such terms.
	:There is nothing inherently hostile to Judaism (or indeed to Islam or Christianity) about the English language, or translations into English, which is why many English speakers make use of translations like an English Talmud
	:I have no axe to grind with anyone, I consider that WP policies and MOS are for the benefit of all Users, but if there are pockets of articles where these same WP policies and MOS are not welcome, then so be it. Life is short enough already. Take care. ] (]) 10:04, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
	::Hi In ictu: thanks for your thoughtful response. I do not have enough time to respond in a way to do it justice. For now, take care and ] ], ] (]) 01:09, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
	:::No need. I rather think you've already said enough with your "English ubber alles" comment to do your perspective on WP policy full justice. ] (]) 07:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
	== Christmas cantata ==
	Remembering Brunckhorst last year, you may want to add ]? --] (]) 10:32, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
	::Will do ;) . Did S.D.G. too. ] (]) 07:43, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
	:::Thanks for both! S.D.G. became an article that I can link, thanks to you! Christmas cantata appeared on the Main page twice yesterday, not that I wanted that but they were short of suitable nominations. We sang for Christmas ], also, among others, Schütz "Jauchzet dem Herren" and ] Mass No 1, --] (]) 13:07, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
	== Where to be an expat ==
	Not ]: "What passes for day in January is a puddle of grey half-light between 10am and 3pm."
	Perhaps ]. Would you recommend Bali? Bugger the bloody ], give me sun and ]! ] (]) 10:49, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
	== Soli Deo Gloria ==
	You with the Latin name, would you help to spread understanding for Latin grammar at ] (s. talk) - or rather avoid it? --] (]) 16:49, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
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	== Cobbe family ==
	Edit reversed. The Cobbe family does not descend from Charles, he was a member of the family with many other Cobbe's all over Ireland before his own arrival. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:56, 26 December 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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	== Question re ] ==
	Why is ''Thette higher density Careful testamenth on Danish guidelines effter Latin vdsatthe'' crossed? --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]&#124;]</sub> 15:11, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
	:Looks like someone started to correct the machine translation then gave up. ] (]) 12:34, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
	== Madrigals ==
	] recorded madrigals of composers I had never heard of. I could identify most of them but could not tell from the works mentioned in the Gramophone review if ] or ], and I could not read Mosc,aglia? I don't like such lists in general, but thought these people could take an additional link. One is red ... --] (]) 14:25, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
	:Adding the question: is there a reason why ] - the spelling version I know and find on a recording - is a redirect, but not in the article? --] (]) 14:58, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
	:::Hi Gerda, I expect it's because the original French name is more common in English sources, the Italianised name more common in German sources - on his Munich manuscripts for example. ] (]) 04:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
	::::Understand, but why is that not mentioned in the article? Would you be able to tell from the works mentioned which Nanino? --] (]) 08:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
	:Looking further, I found this on es, Huelgas ensemble, looks like a list of members (over the years) to me, I linked a few:
	;Componentes
	A lo largo de los años, el grupo ha contado con la presencia de numerosos intérpretes, entre los que podemos destacar:
	* '''Voces:''' Katelijne van Laethem (]), Carol Schlaikjer (soprano), Marie Claude Vallin (soprano), Nancy Long (soprano), Ingrid Smit Duyzentkunst (soprano), John Dudley (]), Otto Rastbichler (tenor), Angus Smith (tenor), ] (tenor), ] (tenor), Ibo van Ingen (tenor), Eric Mentzel (tenor), Eitan Sorek (tenor), Harry van Berne (tenor), Matthew Vine (tenor), Josep Benet (tenor), Willem Ceuleers (]), Kees Jan de Koning (bajo), Lieven de Roo (bajo), Peter Dijkstra (bajo), ] (bajo), ] (bajo), Philippe Cantor (bajo), Peter Dijkstra (bajo), Jo Gulinck (bajo), ] (]), ] (]), Rannveig Sigurdardottir (contratenor), Lieven Termont (]), Marius van Altena (barítono)
	* '''Instrumentistas:''' ] (]), Cas Gevers (sacabuche), Harry Ries (sacabuche), Symen van Mechelen (sacabuche), Willem Bremer (], ]), Nils Ferber (shawm, ], bombarda), Christine Frantzen (], ]), Marcel Onsia (], sacabuche), Alain Sobczak (shawm, bombarda, cromorno), René Van Laken (], viella, bombarda), Marion Verbruggen (corneta), Howard Weiner (sacabuche) y el propio director ] (]s, bombarda, échaquier, órgano)
	What do you think? --] (]) 15:14, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
	:::A few of those spellings on the fr/es.wiki need correcting. But probably only those who have solo recording/conducting careers are notable. ] (]) 04:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
	:One more question: the collection Tears of Lisboa has early Fado music, but if I link to ] it takes a while until something before the 18th century is mentioned,and not precisely so. Is there help? --] (]) 12:34, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
	:::I think the point of the album was to look for supposed 17th C baroque roots of Fado, but it's more of a contrast exercise by Van Nevel than real "early Fado" :) ] (]) 04:06, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
	::::Helps, thank you. Should I drop the many red links (several names would go to sports people ...) or is there more interest in these composers? --] (]) 08:38, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
	:::::Hi, these ''componentes'' (Spanish for "members of the ensemble") probably don't require red links, except ], who is now a notable conductor. ] (]) 20:59, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
	::::::Let's distinguish: 1) componentes, I suggest to list those with an article and some you know are notable to the Huelgas article. 2) Portuguese composers, many red, I can't tell how notable they are. 3) Tears of Lisbon: I think what you said above about the character of the collection would also grace the Huelgas article. --] (]) 21:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
	:::::::Apologies, I didn't think you'd confuse ''componentes'' for composers. But where did you find a list of composers/redlinks for the Fado CD? ] (]) 21:33, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
	::::::::, --] (]) 21:39, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
	:Already there: ], ], ] (1547-1605)
	:Added: ], ], ], ], ], if you want to insert in Huelgas discography, go ahead :). No, sorry I don't know which Nanino above. ] (]) 22:56, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
	:Thank you! Looks much more decent in blue. Seems a bit too much for Huelgas, compared to the other recordings, what do you think? I will turn now to ], do you know sources not in Dutch? I couldn't believe it but he has not even a bio on bach-cantatas, --] (]) 08:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
	::I changed my mind and added the composers to Huelgas. You created them, they should be used, smile, --] (]) 10:31, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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	== Defaultsort ==
	fyi... please include the entire name for the DEFAULTSORT value and just not one part of a surname. For example, ] should be DEFAULTSORT=Fontes Rocha, Jose and not just Fontes. Who knows how many people have Fontes as a surname. ] (]) 09:57, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
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	== ] ==
	I removed the following ref from the page:
	:Aufait Maroc - 15 Dec 2011 "Radio Plus souffle sa première bougie" "..en présence des stars de la chanson et du cinéma marocain: Hatim Idar, Houda Saad, Lamiaa Zaidi, Asmaa Lazrak, Siham Assif.."
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	Is this ] for real of a fake page? Seems fake to me.... ] (]) 18:24, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
	:Well it's a pseudepigraphic text yes. ] (]) 15:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
	==Pedro Antonio Avondano==
	please see the articles ] and ]. thanks --] (]) 20:59, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
	:Thanks, fixed ] (]) 15:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
	== Saint Thomas Christian page bullying ==
	Dear In ictu oculi,
	There is again vandalism and bullying going on at the page ]. Editors are coming together with an agenda against Syriac traditions of the Malabar Nasrani people and questioning even the most mundane facts. This has gone to absurd extent of stating that the term for the Syriac community 'Mar Thoma Nasrani' may be a derivative of english term 'Saint Thomas Christian'. Besides being absurd and revealing their agenda, most references clearly and logically explains how 'Saint Thomas Christian' is a derivative or translation of the syriac term 'Mar Thoma (Saint Thomas) Nasrani'. Nasrani is an ancient Hebrew Syriac-Aramaic term coined much before Modern English evolved through the works of Chaucer and others. I have left other comments regarding this bullying on the talk page of the article Saint Thomas Christians. But there is nothing I can do when administrators abuse their power with an agenda. Please look into it. The article was renamed as 'Saint Thomas Christians' instead of 'Mar Thoma Nasrani' and now they state that the Syriac term could be a derivative of the english term. It is like saying the term 'Deutschland' is a derivative of 'Germany'. One does not need references to know this is nothing but BULLYING. This kind of bullying was anticipated when the agenda was clearly set for the renaming and merging of the page ]. The editors are bullying others apparently working in concert though there is no way to ascertain it, though one may clearly feel so by the nature of their work in tandem. Your help is requested to stop this bullying. thanks ] (]) 14:44, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
	:Hi Robin, I'll look, but actually I would expect WP:RS to support the change you oppose above. Cheers ] (]) 15:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
	== Barnstar ==
	Just noticed the barnstar you awarded to me earlier this evening for the ] article situation. My word, I'd almost forgotten all about that! It was a long time ago, and an experience I've definitely tried to learn from, and to have someone come along after all this time and say what you did is something I really deeply appreciate. Major kudos to you, and my sincerest, deepest thanks!!! - ] (]) 03:36, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
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	In ictu oculi, your input would be greatly appreciated .--] ]/] 17:18, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
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	delighted to see someone work on this article. ‎] (]) 04:34, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
	there is a very useful biographical essay in the Introduction to the 1994 edition of the Disputatio Scholastica ] (]) 10:49, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
	Proceeds in excellent fashion, I don't intend to fiddle around the edges while you are working on it. But just a small request - in the case of a sentence like e.g. "In effect they were retaining much of the form of trinitarian worship, while re-interpreting it in anti-trinitarian terms." - is that Palaeologus' view or is that George Huntston Williams' view? Important distinction with WP:PSTS. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:11, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
	I think the reference is actually to comment on Socinianism from MacCulloch or Cameron, I will try to track it down and cite it. Any other such sentances that need citations, please alert me. Otherwise, I think it has gone as far as I can take it; futher improvement might be more a matter of subtraction rather than addtion, and others may be better at doing it. ] (]) 14:24, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
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	I note your objection to the correct comparison of communion to a simulated cannibalism ritual, however, it is a quite accurate description of the custom. Some like to talk around this obvious point with meaningless semantical 'distinctions', such as this claim from the catholic.com web forum: "The Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ are contained truly, really, and substantially in the Eucharist. They are not present materially..." However, the basic fact is that the ritual is symbolic of cannibalism, and the scriptures are quite clear about the ritual being an allegory for cannibalism. John 6:48-66; Mark 14:22-24; Matthew 26:26-28; Luke 22:19-20. In the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation, the bread and wine are interpreted as literally becoming Jesus' flesh and blood. Don't shoot the messenger.--] (]) 12:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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	== Wednesday Crucifixion ==
	A number of scholars disagree with the Wednesday Crucifixion theory, but nonetheless find it pervasive and compelling enough to address and refute. , written by Prof. Colin J. Humphreys of Cambridge University and the Royal Institution in London, recounts and refutes the arguments for Wednesday Crucifixion. Jimmy Aiken of the National Catholic Register also takes time to refute the Wednesday Crucifixion theory , noting that "some Protestant churches, especially Fundamentalist ones" subscribe to the theory. by H. W. Hoehner also discusses this at length. Other sources from books which advance the theory include by Rev. George L. Miller and by Jeremiah Knigh Aldrich, altough neither of these two authors are professors. Taken together, the Wednesday Crucifixion position is certainly a minority one but I included it because of its pervasiveness in the scholarly discussion of crucifixion dates.--] (]) 05:41, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
	:Hi, no problem, as I said all anyone asks for is sources, and I would say the above indicates some notability for the ] article, but you might want to also drop a note on the Talk there at the same time as adding material. And distinguish Wednesday and Thursday material. All the best. ] (]) 05:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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	Their creed:
	I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD,
	Creator of Heaven and earth,
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	Whom was born of Mary and Joseph,
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	:::I think that's the concern. ] (]) 00:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
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	:The above doesn't take into account any WP Tennis guidelines, if there are any on this. The "full name" needs to be in the same format as the title. If the title doesn't use diacritics, the "full name" shouldn't either. ] (]) 00:09, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
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	:::Unfortunately, as with most things wiki, the guideline is not straightforward, probably on purpose as no one wants every article to be a cookie cutter of the next article. We need to have the full name in the lead paragraph is about all that's clear. Well that paragraph can be awfully big. I kinda like it in the first sentence myself (if possible) and I'm not opposed to it going first either. You're right in that a full name does not mean his native language name. I had forgotten about that foreign language section but I had been making sure anyway that in articles I create or edit that the common English name was first with the foreign name second in parentheses as is shown at your example at ]. I believe an administrator pointed that out to me awhile back, probably citing the same section, and I've used it ever since. It seemed appropriate for foreign readers to see that right after the English name so I incorporated it in my edits. I'm not happy about a foreign spelled name being thrust into the first words of an article... it just looks wrong for an English language entity such as this. But while I included both the English and foreign names in the opening sentence, IIO has moved the foreign version up front and eliminated the English used ] completely. So it went from good to poor to non-acceptable in a flash. ] (]) 00:23, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
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Seven Souls

Why is Seven Souls a redirect to Seven Souls (album)? It is utterly pointless, Seven Souls (album) should be at Seven Souls. 217.42.3.42 (talk) 14:59, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

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