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	== List of References ==
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			== Export to a different Wiki ==
	Please place any thoughts on changing the template to reference alternate versions for any of these books below. --] 01:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

			Hi, I'd like to create this template in the Galician Wiki, but I'm not sure how to go about it. Simply pasting the source doesn't seem to work. Is there any page that explains the process in detail? Thanks. ] (]) 20:48, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
	== Listing articles that use references ==

	Many, many thanks for all your work on this, Conrad. Further to my desire to use these templates to find all articles referencing an individual book, I have realised that I will be able to (sort of) use "What links here" to find articles referencing the books, as long as each book has its own Misplaced Pages article. Will this be workable? If not, I would like to consider having separate templates for each book. Will this require a lot of extra work? ] 08:50, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
	:No, 'What links here' would not include the books linked on the page unless the articles for those books had links to that page. I'll redesign the template so that it calls sub-templates with the actual reference text in them. Then you can check 'What links here' from those sub-templates to get all pages referencing that book. --] 13:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

	== More abbreviations ==

	How about "Biography" for Carpenter's biography, "S" for Silmarillion? ] 09:00, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
	:I'll add these if there are no objections. I actually considered both, but didn't know how common 'S' was as an abbreviation for Silmarillion and wondered if there might be objections to promoting Carpenter's biography as THE 'Biography' (though it is generally recognized as such). --] 13:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
	::It seems to be fairly commonly accepted that Carpenter's Biography is ''the'' biography, though not definitive (maybe that will come later, with the passing of the years, if another biographer is allowed access to the papers again). I believe it is also the only official one. I've seen a couple of other books with varying amounts of biographical material, such as "Master of Middle-earth" (Kocher), "J. R. R. Tolkien - Architect Of Middle-Earth" (Grotta), one by Michael White (can't remember title), but they all seem to rehash material from Carpenter's Biography. The "Tolkien and the Great War" (Garth) book does have new biographical material not found in Carpenter, so that should probably be on the list. I'll try and dig out the details sometime. ] 20:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

	== More books ==

	The talk page list above includes the Annotated Hobbit, which is not on the listing on the template page. Some suggestions for other books: the "Reader's Companion"; "Tolkien and the Great War", the various books including Tolkien's other works and essays (particularly 'On Fairy Stories', 'Farmer Giles', 'Smith of Wootton Major', 'Leaf by Niggle', 'The Adventures of Tom Bombadil'). Might it be best to have a standard way to reference these essays/other stories that are published in several different collections?

	Also, would it be silly to have references to the books and chapters of LotR and the other books, or at least examples of the way we would like people to refer to these books/chapters if they want to? ] 09:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

	:The Annotated Hobbit is just a version of The Hobbit with annotations and additional text. Most notably it contains the text from all different versions of The Hobbit which have been released and thus is the one book which can be referenced to cover any particular version of the story. Therefor I listed it under 'TH' / 'The Hobbit' as the standard reference.
	:I've got a stack of other books here which I was planning to put in this morning, but now will hold off until after the design updates. On standard referencing of sub-sections within each book... I think it would be difficult to cover all reasonable formats. Maybe we could write suggestions up on the project 'Standards' page. --] 13:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

	::I think some people will want to reference editions of The Hobbit, rather than the Annotated Hobbit. In particular, people might want to reference just the latest copy of The Hobbit, that most readers should be able to access. And then use the Annotated Hobbit reference for all that earlier edition material? Not sure yet about the other stuff. ] 20:07, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

	== This page takes ages to load!! ==

	There are lots of templates on this page, but some articles may have even more templates than this! This will mean that the pages will take a long time to load (like this page) and place strain on the Wikimedia servers (I think). Is this a bad thing? ] 09:13, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
	:Yup. I've got an idea for re-designing it which should process faster. It's not as 'pretty' code wise, but I'm working on it now and we will see if it fixes the load time issue. --] 13:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
	::Much faster - thanks! ] 20:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

	== Update Made ==
	Ok, I made the design updates. I was still getting a slow load time though... not sure why since the new design is very similar to what I've used in other templates which load quickly. --] 14:08, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
	:Made a further adjustment which seems to have largely resolved the loading speed issue. --] 16:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

	== Subst? ==
	Because all the sub-templates go through this one they all end up being linked to any page which references any book on the list. I've come up with a way to link directly to the sub-templates (allowing proper 'What links here' for each book), but it would require that this template always be substituted. That is, <nowiki>{{subst:ME-ref\|5\|pg 17}}</nowiki> would evaluate to <nowiki>{{ME-ref/LROW\|pg 17}}</nowiki>... this would remove all evaluation time problems and allow 'What links here' from each sub-template, but are people ok always using 'subst' with this template? Under the proposed method it would produce a warning message (possibly followed by a block of junk if I can't figure out how to suppress that) if not substituted. Let me know if you think using 'subst' is ok. --] 15:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

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