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==April 18==
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====YPF==== ==== RD: Olivia Hussey ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = YPF#Recent_changes | article = Olivia Hussey<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
| blurb = Argentina nationalises ''']''' amid a dispute with ] and the ].
| sources = <!-- Include a reference from a verifiable, reliable source. --> | sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = yes | updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:C85F:CD98:861D:B7DF <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nominator = Lihaas <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt = British-Argentine actress.<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| updater = Lihaas<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| sign = ] (]) 03:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
| minority = yes<!-- (yes/no); leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt = Heating up intl disputes, Agentina also has oil issues with the Falklands that we missed. Also the growing prominence of Latam without external dependencies on the US/Europe (missed summit of the americas)
| sign = --] (]) 09:04, 17 April 2012 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''<s>Weak support''', found two uncited claims, which I've added CN tags to. Article is fine otherwise.</s> '''Support''': CN issues now resolved. No more outstanding article issues from what I can see. ] (]) 11:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''- This has major ramifications in many countries and throughout the world and is one of the biggest business stories we will have for a while, so otherwise we would never be posting minority topics. I hope this nomination doesn't get degraded just because we already have the World Bank up. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 22:48, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article in good shape, cn issues appear to have been solved. ] (]) 18:52, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


==== World Bank election==== ==== RD: Greg Gumbel ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = World Bank presidential election, 2012 | article = Greg Gumbel
| recent deaths = yes
| blurb = ] is ''']''' President of the ].
| sources =
| sources = <!-- Include a reference from a verifiable, reliable source. -->
| updated = yes | updated = yes
| nominator = Thriley
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nominator = Lihaas <!-- Do NOT change this --> | updaters = TDKR Chicago 101, CAWylie
| creator =
| updater = Lihaas<!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| nom cmt = American sportscaster who called N.F.L. and N.C.A.A. games for CBS.
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| sign = ] (]) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
| minority = yes<!-- (yes/no); leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt = First non-european descended president and first election with non-American candidates. Also a Biz/econ topic thats been absent from ITN a while<!-- Add the reason for nominating the item.-->
| sign = --] (]) 09:04, 17 April 2012 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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:'''Support''' First African-American sportscaster to call the Super Bowl. ] (]) 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
: Support with the suggested blurb. It's irrelevant for ITN that there were non-American candidates etc. --''']''' 09:33, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Posted'''. --] (]) 13:04, 17 April 2012 (UTC) ::That's not relevant here, only article quality is. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 16:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::I have no prob (it is after all my nom and article) but with 1 support? Sudan below is ready too] (]) 13:55, 17 April 2012 (UTC) *'''Oppose for now''' due to justified orange tag for lack of citations. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 16:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Post support''' FWIW. ] (]) 14:04, 17 April 2012 (UTC) *'''<s>Not Quite Ready''' A handful of CN tags and there is currently no mention of his death in the body.</s> -] (]) 16:25, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::Also the ITN tagis not on the the talk page.] (]) 14:35, 17 April 2012 (UTC) :::'''Support''' -] (]) 21:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:*{{ping|Ad Orientem}} & {{ping|Muboshgu}} Article has been fixed up to shape. --] (]) 20:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is now in good shape. --] (]) 20:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


====]==== ==== Kamal Adwan hospital burning====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Kamal Adwan Hospital sieges
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = Israeli troops ''']''', the last one remaining in the northern ], forcing its staff and patients to leave
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb =
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = ,
| updated = yes
| nominator = Vice regent <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt = I know there's a daily tragedy in the Israel-Hamas war, but this is significant development given that its the last functioning one in northern Gaza Strip and hospitals have been a critical lifeline for Gazans. Further, burning down much of the hospital is fairly unprecedented even in this brutal war. Feel free to suggest alternative blurbs.
| sign = ''']''' <sub>(Please ] on reply)</sub> 20:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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*'''Oppose''' basically covered by ongoing; I don't see how this one specific event is that significant to bring out of that. Just more to add onto the pile of war crime charges that international courts have against Israel here. --] (]) 20:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Masem. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 22:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


:'''Oppose''' Covered by ongoing. --] (]) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate|article=World Tomorrow|blurb=*] leader, ], appears in his first interview with the West in six years, in the first episode of a new interview show ''The ]'', hosted by ]. He also made a major announcement on the show: that he would act as a mediator in the Syrian conflict. , the new TV show was already in the news across the world, but the appearance of this notorious guest has been given even broader coverage. The sources given above are just a selection.| sign=--] (]) 03:07, 17 April 2012 (UTC)}}
*'''Oppose''' Already covered by ongoing, and is just one of many war crimes already done by Israel. By far the biggest one done. ''']''' (]) 13:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:? -- ]] 06:04, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:'''Strong Oppose''' Promoting a television show should have no place in ITN. -- ] (] • ]) 07:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC) *'''Oppose''' Sad but not a major event of the war. ] (]) 19:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': promotion for a TV show. --] (]) 08:02, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - ], ], and not being what this part of the site is for. ] (]) 08:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I'm not disputing here, but I am curious. Why is it that reporting on a new television show is considered "promotion" of that show, but reporting on a new president is not considered "promotion" of that president? When we report on a horse race, are we not "promoting" that horse race, in your sense? And where does the difference lie? Is reporting the existence of something necessarily promoting it? By that definition, we would also be "promoting" an earthquake by reporting it, and ''everything'' that we include on ITN would be a "promotion". I'm just curious what you mean by that. ] (]) 20:05, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
::I think it's because a large amount of your proposed blurb is about how big the show is going to be in the future. That kind of speculative material is not suitable for an encyclopedia and is inherently unverifiable. It also reads like (poorly thought-out) promotional material. I also feel that (in general) broadcasters shouldn't be the story themselves; if the programme breaks any big stories in the future, it could be mentioned then. ] (]) 20:28, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:::I agree. My description was highly inadequate. I have updated it further, and here is a fuller explanation:
*'''Comment'''. There are '''''three''''' notable events that coincide here. The airing of a new controversial international TV show is perhaps the least notable. A more notable event is that this that the leader of Hezbollah, which is listed as a terrorist organisation by the U.S. the U.K. and other countries, has given his first interview with the West in over six years. And the third notable event is Nasrallah's announcement "he would act as a mediator in the Syrian conflict" . Several articles will therefore have to be significantly updated in an event that has been covered on ever major news channel across the world: the ] and ] articles, the ] article, and the new article for ''The ]'', which will not remain as a "stub-class" article for long. ] (]) 20:35, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
::I find your predictions for the future of the article to be just as speculative as for the future of the show. And while I dare say the show may be reasonably notable (and thus my AfD for it may well fail), the simple debut of a TV show is not notable. Did we run and ITN for the BBC show ]? Not as far as I know. This isn't really news as we know it; it's people talking about the news. The frequency of the interviewee's interviews with 'the west' (is Russia the west?) isn't exactly compelling evidence of the show's newsworthiness. If Nasrallah's announcement about acting as a mediator is noteworthy, let's have a story about that separately; but I'm not convinced that it is - there's no evidence that anyone except Nasrallah regards his intervention as interesting or at all likely to succeed. And really, don't delude yourself: this has not happened on 'every major news channel across the world' - this is primarily the work of RT, which can hardly be regarded as a reliable or unbiased source. ] (]) 20:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:::I stand by "every major news channel across the world". You must be ignoring the links I posted to BBC, CNN, The Guardian, AFP etc. There have also been articles in the New York Times and, need I repeat myself, every major news channel across the world. Look it up. ] (]) 21:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
::::Nasrallah's announcement is the lead aspect of a lot of these stories. If you want to write a separate ITN nomination for that, go for it. I'd still oppose it myself, but I think it has a lot more merit than all this absurd puffery for Julian Assange. Once again: "TV show launched" is fundamentally not real news. A lot of the reporting that is not about Nasrallah is in the 'people' sections of these news outlets: they are reporting on the entertaining behaviour of a narcissistic blond suspected rapist, not proclaiming that this TV show is a major breakthrough in our lives. And repeating a claim does not make it true; does anything in the stories actually support your contention that the launch of the show is itself newsworthy? The burden lies on you to demonstrate this with facts, not wild assertions. ] (]) 22:09, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
*I had the same reaction as Ashishg55. How is this ITN material? ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 22:43, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


====(Ready) Impeachment of Han Duck-soo====
==April 16==
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| article = Impeachment of Han Duck-soo
{|{{Portal:Current events/2012 April 16}}
| article2 = Han Duck-soo
| image = File:Prime Minister Han Duck-soo meets with Jeju Governor Oh Young-hun 20240516 (01) (cropped).jpg
| blurb = The ] and ], ] ''(pictured)'' is ''']''' by the ].
| altblurb = ] and ], ] ''(pictured)'' is ''']''' by the ] and is succeeded by ].
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| ITNR = yes
| sources = , ,
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| nominator = Haers6120 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = Queen of Hearts
| updaters = Borgenland
| nom cmt = Impeachement of Acting President of South Korea is unprecedented, and deputy prime minister will be both acting President and acting Prime Minister will also unprecedented. I also feel that we may need an ongoing article title like "2024-2025 South Korea Political Crisis"
| sign = ] (]) 06:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
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:UPDATE: Han seems accept National Assembly's decision . ] (]) 08:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

* '''Support''' ] ] 08:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' the direct cause ] and the subsequent protests are buried deep in the article rather than in the lede and the article goes at length about procedural matters which is great but it's missing all the other context. Furthermore the martial law and protest articles should really be in the blurb. An event infobox would be nice too. ] (]) 08:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:we could nominate a seperate ongoing article if needed. ] (]) 08:09, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:I disagree that your concerns are enough to oppose on quality, but I will try to work on this. Already added an infobox. ] ] 08:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

* '''Support''' --] (]) 08:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' SK's government seems to be gridlocked and this impeachment just seems to be a procedural tactic which passed easily because only a simple majority was required as this was considered a ministerial-level matter. It reminds me of the difficulty in getting a stable Speaker of the US House. It's internal politics and there's more to come before they are out of the woods. Other countries such as France and Germany have similar issues and so we should have a fairly high bar for posting. ]🐉(]) 11:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' significant news from the crisis ] (]) 11:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Change of head of state and effective executive of the nation. And isn't this ITNR? ] (]) 11:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::I don't ''think'' it's ITNR, because Han was explicitly only the acting president, and is in his turn only suspended and not deposed. ] (]) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Well the nom is listed as such and I don't think our ITNR rules for heads of state/government (state leaders) have ever been that granular to exclude such changes .
:::Also, I think we need to appreciate the difference between those countries where single state leaders hold effective power (South Korea) versus where where power distribution maybe more shared (France, Germany that have been cited here). ] (]) 15:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' - Clearly the first impeachment following the attempt to declare martial law was major. Following that impeachment and resignation, the role of acting president fell to the PM, which was not meant to be a long-term determination. This impeaching is a result of more political infighting, and nothing specifically that Duck-soo did, and far less impactful than the original impeachment. Its basically a game of partisan musical chairs, since now the finance minister becomes next in line as acting president. --] (]) 13:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support altblurb''' Notable event. Han is the first acting president is the country's history to be impeached. This is a significant update from the fallout of the martial law crisis. Also, the altblurb is best as it illustrates the change in power so to speak. Article is in good shape too. --] (]) 13:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak oppose''' - While this is significant, it's part of the continuing crisis. As Andrew notes correctly, France and Germany are also both experiencing unstable government at the moment, and we're not posting blow-by-blow accounts of those to ITN, but only the substantive changes at the top. South Korea's situation, while a bit more volatile, is broadly similar. ] (]) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:*France and Germany are bad analogies in this case, not least because South Korea's case already involves an attempted self-coup and two impeachments. Though I ultimately agree that a third blurb about largely the same crisis might be too much, there may be merit in instead adding this to Ongoing (if it can be maintained). ] (]) 16:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Another successful impeachment? Really? Unprecedented event in the South Korea's history. ] (]) 16:18, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' This is another major and unprecedented development in a situation that has already proven itself to be blurb-worthy on at least 2 occasions ] (]) 16:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

: '''Support''' For this is unprecedented situation and technically change of head of state. Would oppose another impeachment (which is probable in less than a week) as per Andrew. ] (]) 18:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per above. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Nobody saw this coming ] (])
*'''Comment''' This is an extension of the initial coup. The root cause for both, is that for some reason I can't fathom, having a solid majority in the Parliament, doesn't give you any control of the government. Similar to the issues in the USA, but without the ability of the Parliament to pass legislation, or change the speaker. For some reason the party controlling the presidency and PM believe that letting the other party into power is some existential crisis - hence the extremes they'll go to (first illegally, and now legally). This will continue until a presidential election is triggered. I have no doubt the new acting President will be impeached quickly if he doesn't approve the nominations to the constitutional court. Perhaps South Korean Constitutional Crisis or something should be an ongoing? ] (]) 03:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Is there news coverage of the events of this happening near daily? Not really. Just because two events have happened within a month apart doesn't make it an ongoing story, and the ongoing line is far too busy as it is right now to add anything else, particularly something that isn't having near-daily stories. ] (]) 04:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

:'''Weak Support:''' This is just a greater part of the coup attempt by Yoon, but something I didn't see coming. ] (]) 10:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{@ITNA}} I see consensus to post here. (I am of course far too involved to do it myself.) ] ] 20:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::I agree that there's consensus. May I suggest that we wait half a day or so? I've just posted the ] and it sits in the bottom slot. If we were to post this item now, it'll nuke the bridge article after only a few minutes. ''']]''' 20:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Fine with me. ] ] 20:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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====Boston Marathon====
*No suggestion at this point, it's on ITNR though. <span style="background:#66EE88">''']'''</span> 12:00, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
*We'd need some text added to an article, the article ] has been updated in the tables, but we'd need a few sentences about the 2012 edition. The blurb when we have a target article in a decent state, should read "In the 2012 Boston Marathon XXX was the fastest man and YYY was the fastest woman." or something like that. --]''''']''''' 14:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


==== (Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: Manmohan Singh ====
====East Timor election====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = East Timorese presidential election, 2012 | article = Manmohan Singh
| image = Official Portrait of the Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh.jpg
| blurb = ] (''pictured'') is ''']''' ].
| blurb = Former ] ''']''' ''(pictured)'' dies at the age of 92
| sources = <!-- Include a reference from a verifiable, reliable source. -->
| recent deaths = yes <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| updated = no
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure --> | ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| nominator = Lihaas <!-- Do NOT change this --> | ITNR = no
| altblurb =
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater --> | altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = ,
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| updated = yes
| ITNR = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
| minority = <!-- (yes/no); leave blank if you aren't sure --> | nominator = Sportsnut24 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. --> | creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = TDKR Chicago 101, Fylindfotberserk
| nom cmt = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| nom cmt = Potential blurb, but he's not sitting, so at least RD.
| sign = --] (]) 02:29, 16 April 2012 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sign = ] (]) 16:40, 26 December 2024 (UTC)<!-- Do NOT change this -->
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:'''Oppose'''. ] with negligible effect outside itself and perhaps neighboring Indonesia. I oppose it for the same reason I oppose all other 'small country elections' on principle. ]+<small>(])</small> 04:03, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
::You won't get an "oppose" past Lihaas. We've all tried. We've all got the scars ] <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 04:04, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:::That's bullshit. We can air this grievance with an 'uninvolved admin' in that case. ]+<small>(])</small> 04:05, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:::Please comment on ''content'' Doktorb not contributiors. The reason this tired arguement of oppose is overules is because it is ITNR...and the arguement used by the first oppose was created by him despite consensus against it. (it is in fact the exact OPPOSITE of what he claims (see the last selection at the link which states its per IDONTLIKE it))] (]) 09:09, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
::::That is not true. As I said before, there was '''never''' a community consensus for posting small country elections, posting ''every'' election, or even posting elections in general. Someone decided that should be the rule and slapped it onto ITN/R prior to having a formal discussion about it. The burden should be on them to show that this consensus exists, not the other way around. ]+<small>(])</small> 13:28, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
::East Timor isn't a "very small country". It has more than a million inhabitants. Once adequately updated, it should be posted. --] (]) 08:05, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:::The point here is that I think country's elections should be judged on their individual merits, just like every other article that goes through ITN/C. Only if we reasonably anticipate that such an election will pass ITN/C ''every time'' do we establish that it should be on ITN/R. Here, a case ''can'' actually be made for the East Timor elections on ITN/C (that it is a young democracy with significant military influence and that the election is 'pivotal' in the stability of its gov't etc) - but editors should make that case instead of borrowing legitimacy from ITN/R. ]+<small>(])</small> 13:28, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
::::Is it that you oppose posting this just to prove a point, ''even though you actually think it is relevant''? How about ]? You complain about posting elections generally without judging their individual merits and then you say that you "oppose all (...) 'small country elections' on principle", obviously without judging their individual merits. Not very consequent, is it? --] (]) 15:22, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
:::::No, it is not ]. Had the nominator focused on the merits of the election itself in this nom, I (and other editors) may be convinced that it is worthy of posting, provided that the article is well-written and "of wide interest". Upon reviewing the article itself I would say that I am on the fence about whether this should be posted, leaning towards a "no" since the article is not exactly 'quality', and I don't see this generating much "Wide interest". But otherwise relying on invoking ITNR to post articles without any critical standard of scrutiny is nonsense. ]+<small>(])</small> 16:30, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' once ready. I'm not interested in Misplaced Pages personality politics; this is a sovereign nation, recently independent, and its own politics are newsworthy. ] (]) 08:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Colipon. Unless there are more ramifications to this. <strong>]</strong>] 14:52, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''': Not only is this ITN/R (which is obviously not good enough), but it is also an election that has attracted considerable international media attention. East Timor has only gained independence ten years ago and is still struggling with the painful aftermath of the war. Against this backdrop, this presidential election can be considered an important crossroad decision, probably having a determining impact on the future of the country. --] (]) 15:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support'''- This election is ten times more notable than any other minor election we post, as RJFF pointed out, and Colipon seems merely to be moving the discussion about ITNR here, even citing a discussion where it was determined that there was no consensus to change current policy. We need to respect ITNR and not deem it worthless without community discussion. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 22:40, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


*'''Support Blurb''' He was one of the most influential individual of the modern Indian history and was the prime minister of India for a decade. The Degrees and posts held section needs some work but otherwise article is in good shape. ]<sup> ]</sup> 17:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
====Norway terror trial====
*'''Support blurb''' Important and influential figure in modern India - he served 2 terms as ] and he was an important figure in ] India's economy ] (]) 17:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak oppose on quality''' Article has some cn tags and there's a refimprove section tag at the end of the article. Once these issues are addressed, I would</s> '''strongly support blurb''' seeing how Singh was a highly influential prime minister of India and a dominant figure in modern Indian politics. --] (]) 17:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*General '''Support blurb''' as this is basically there in quality (I see a few noncritical tags but sourcing is basically there) and with the Public Image section, clearly outlines his status as a major figure on Indian politics. ] (]) 17:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' One of few individuals who significantly shaped world history. As Finance Minister, brought accelerated economic growth to India that continues to this day and has helped raise standard of living for over a billion people and transformed global geopolitics. As Prime Minister, reduced rural poverty, brought India into global nuclear order, averted war in the aftermath of major terrorist attacks, and many other accomplishments. ''']''' (] • ]) 17:38, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' once outstanding CN tags are fixed. '']'' <sup>]·]</sup> 17:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Issues fixed {{ping|UndercoverClassicist}} ] (]) 17:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Long-serving, influential leader of a major nation. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' Unanimous support for blurb. ] (]) 19:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurb''' as per others above. ] (]) 19:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted''' blurb. ] ] 19:18, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:] was created. ] (]) 12:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== December 25 ==
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==== RD: Jax Dane ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = Trial of Anders Behring Breivik | article = Jax Dane
| recent deaths = yes
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| sources = , ,
| blurb = The ''']''' of ], the accused perpetrator of the ], begins.
| updated = yes
| sources = <!-- Include a reference from a verifiable, reliable source. -->
| updated = yes | nominator = The Kip
| updaters =
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure -->
| nom cmt = American professional wrestler. Still needs a few citations, but honestly in pretty good shape compared to most wrestlers' articles.
| nominator = Meco <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sign = ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 18:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
| minority = <!-- (yes/no); leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign = --] (]) 10:49, 8 April 2012 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
====(Posted) RD: Osamu Suzuki (businessman) ====
*'''Question'''- Is there a precedent for posting the start of significant trials? If so, count me as a support. Otherwise, let's wait for the verdict. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 02:26, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
*'''Oppose for now''' as Bzweebl said above, I would like to wait until a verdict is reached. -- '''] ]''' 03:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
| article = Osamu Suzuki (businessman)<!-- Do not wikilink -->
*'''Oppose''' until the verdict is reached, per our longstanding precedent. '']'' <sup>]</sup> 06:03, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
::Can you link to this precedent you speak of? ''']''' (]) 14:03, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
| sources = https://apnews.com/article/japan-suzuki-motor-india-495bf88bbc55c2e96faa447a5b5806f0 <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
*'''Oppose''' The start of the trials is not ITN-worthy. The verdict might be though. --] (]) 14:43, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
**Forced to concur with your '''oppose'''. The verdict will definitely be ITN-worthy, though. ] (]) 14:09, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
| updaters = Borgenland <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
*'''Weak Support'''. This is currently the top story showed by ], with newspapers/websites reporting on it. But I'm not sure about precedents when reporting on trials.''']''' <sub>]</sub> 12:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
| nom cmt = <!-- Additional comments go here -->
*'''Support, Sticky'''. It is a topic of wide interest (although I wish the article was in slightly better shape). Honestly, I think we should make more use of stickies for things like this - where our readership is probably looking for a good comprehensive article on the topic to escape the disparate news journalism but cannot find it since the first Google result for "Breivik Trial" is not Misplaced Pages. ]+<small>(])</small> 02:07, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
| sign = Japanese businessman, chairman of ]. --14:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Support''' Article is in good shape, significant death. ''']''' (]) 17:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article in good shape indeed. --] (]) 18:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. --] (]) 13:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Paul Abine Ayah ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Paul Abine Ayah
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| nominator = Jmanlucas
| updaters = Jkaharper, Dominus Moravian
| nom cmt = Cameroonian lawyer and politician.
| sign = ] (]) 02:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
}}
==== 2024 Estlink 2 incident ====

{{ITN candidate
| article = 2024 Estlink 2 incident
| image = File:Estlink map.png
| blurb = The submarine power cable ] 2 ''']'''.
| recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = Finnish police take over oil tanker '']'', suspected of ''']'''.
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = https://yle.fi/a/74-20133526
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = NotAGenious <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = I'll try to combine https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Eagle_S_on_the_map_of_MarineTraffic,_in_relation_to_the_Estlink_2_incident.png with the cropped version of the Estlink map if I get a chance to do so. A significant event mentioned in multiple international news sources.
| sign = ] (]) 14:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' as it's yet clear the exact cause, whether intentional sabotage or something else. Just having massive reporting doesn't necessarily make it an appropriate WP topic since WP is not a newspaper. ] (]) 16:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:I disagree that finding an exact cause should be a requirement for appearing on the main page: the article, which has speculation from reliable sources, is useful by itself. ] (]) 18:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' since it's not the first cable damaged in the area this past month and I doubt the impact will be anywhere near the ] in 2022. ] (]) 17:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ]. Sorry, but we don’t post speculations.--] (]) 18:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:it's confirmed that an outside force destroyed the cable, just the cause is under investigation ] (]) 22:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' there's nothing speculative about an international sabotage incident that is an act of economic terrorism, and given the type of incident it is we may never know the full true story (just like in falsified elections for example), that shouldn't barr a posting though; ] isn't a compelling argument either. ] (]) 23:20, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The blurb speculates that the incident was caused by a Russian oil tanker (this isn't even mentioned in the article). Furthermore, the article is in bad shape to demonstrate why this incident is significant.--] (]) 07:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*::the article does mention it. ] (]) 11:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::Now that it's improved, yes, but it didn't when I wrote the comment.--] (]) 13:27, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::: {{quote|the tanker Eagle S, registered to the Cook Islands and part of Russia's shadow fleet...}}
*::::{{quote|The police confirmed that the tanker is suspected of having caused the failure}} ] (]) 14:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', although the blurb needs to be updated. A bigger story here is that Finland has seized a Russian tanker suspected of being involved in cutting the cable. ] (]) 23:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' even on the off-chance it was accidental, still a series incident. ] 01:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
* I've added an alternative blurb and ]. ] (]) 10:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Notified ] and ] for further input here. ] (]) 18:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' ] (]) 02:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Per above, do not add votes without giving your reason. ]] 07:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*::It's a major incident with huge coverage and international reactions. ] (]) 19:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: Bill Bergey ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Bill Bergey
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this ->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = American football player
| sign = ] (]) 17:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
}}
* '''Weak support''', I spotted two CN notes and I feel certain sections could use more references. Article is fine otherwise. ] (]) 15:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

==== RD: M. T. Vasudevan Nair ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = M. T. Vasudevan Nair
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| blurb =
| updated = yes
| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this ->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Renowned Malayalam writer
| sign = ] (]) 17:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
}}

* '''Support:''' Added sources. ] (]) 19:17, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. Obviously a major figure in literature and film. Did a bit of copyediting. ] (]) 23:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Suppport''' Significant RD, He was an Indian author, screenplay writer and film director ] (]) 9:17, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Not Ready''' Certain sections rely entirely on a single source. ] (]) 16:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Where? The citing looks fine to me - there are plenty.
*:This is already several days old and risks losing currency if not posted soon. ] (]) 02:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Asuravithu, Manju and Kaalam are the major offenders, reusing existing citations inline should be enough to fix. ] (]) 14:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*:<s>Also '''oppose blurb''' since the blurb A) does not mention the subject B) contains ] wording. C) subject is not as well known to the average person as a world leader.</s> Comment withdrawn per below. ] (]) 14:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
::* This is an RD candidate and does not need a blurb, someone added one in error. I have removed it. ] 14:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The whole of the ''Varanasi'' paragraph was copied verbatim from the source and so I have also removed that; this paragraph is therefore now very short. ] 14:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243
| image = File:Azerbaijan Airlines - Embraer 190AR (ERJ-190-100IGW) 4K-AZ65 Antalya Airport June 18, 2016 (cropped).jpg
| blurb = ''']''' ''(aircraft pictured)'' crashes near ], Kazakhstan with 67 people on board.
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no
| altblurb = ''']''' ''(aircraft pictured)'' crashes near ], Kazakhstan, killing 39 people.
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources =
| updated = no
| nominator = Tofusaurus <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters =
| nom cmt = A few dozen have been reported dead as a result of the crash.
| sign = ] (]) 09:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

* '''Support:''' Recent plane crash with a high number of fatalities is definitely notable and certainly deserves attention. (Although, it would be slightly better if the fatality number is confirmed). However, I <u>'''''Oppose''''' </u> the blurb. ] (]|]) 09:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support original blurb''' until the number of deaths is clarified. A crash of a flag carrier. ]<sup>]</sup> 09:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait,''' there's no actual confirmation yet on the number of dead right? Only the number of survivors. ] (]) 09:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - an airliner crashes with significant loss of life. Event is in the news, so eligible here. ] (]) 09:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 39 deaths ] (]) 11:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' (by the way, ] is sadly known due to the increase of ]s) ] (]) 11:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Major aviation and international news. ] (]) 12:55, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' Surprised this isn't already up. A significant crash. ] (]) 13:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – This article are notable and the plane crash have several deaths. Rest in peace to the people who died in the plane crash. ] '''|''' ] 13:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support:''' Recent and significant plane crash that has received extensive media coverage. --] (]) 14:37, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''': but '''WAIT'''
:] (]) 16:45, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''' alt blurb which includes the death toll. ] (]) 17:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''' . ] (]) 17:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*I feel some blurb that indicates the was a very haphazard emergency landing rather than what is normally envisioned when we say a crash, as to indicate this was not as deadly as it was, would be helpful. ] (]) 17:39, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*:I don't think 'emergency landing' should be added. The plane crashed nearly 6 kilometers from the runway. So even though it was preparing for an emergency landing, that's not really the reason why it came down at that location. Maybe it could say "near ]" instead of "near Aktau". ] (]) 18:03, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' – ''']]''' 18:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' – Given the latest developments, the blurb should be changed to reflect that the plane was specifically shot down. ] (]) 19:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:It's always good to make a specific suggestion, {{u|Sandvich18}}. What would you like the ALT blurb to say? ''']]''' 22:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*::'''Change blurb''' to ''''']''' is shot down near ], Kazakhstan, killing 38 people.'' or, if there's no consensus yet on the cause, ''38 people die in the ''']''' crash near ], Kazakhstan, amid Azerbaijani claims of Russian involvement in the downing of the plane.'' ] (]) 00:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::When did Misplaced Pages start spreading speculative information? That the aircraft was shot down or that there's Russian involvement in the incident are both hypotheses without sufficient evidence.--] (]) 08:08, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::To be fair everything involving Russia is always "speculative", it's how Russia operates. ] (]) 10:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::That's not Misplaced Pages's business. We should always stick to facts, not speculations.--] (]) 13:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::Not only Azerbaijani say that ] (]) 21:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::All those sources report that there are indications that the aircraft was shot down by Russia’s defensive system, but that’s still in the zone of speculations with no official statements made by any involved party.--] (]) 01:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' adding that plane was '''shot down'''. ] (]) 21:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support saying shot down'''. The article indicates that the Azerbaijani government believes the aircraft was shot down, and RS are increasingly saying so. (see the article) ] (]) 18:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Yes, it's obvious. But the blurb has to follow the article, where things are still less decided. ] (]) 21:28, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*::The article says in the lead "Azerbaijani investigators believed a Russian Pantsir-S1 air-defense system was responsible for the damage" and the article itself states investigators independent of the nations involved have come to that conclusion as well. Seems to me that's as good as we could get. If we don't want to say "shot down" we could at least add "hit by a missile and crashes". ] (]) 09:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Putin reportedly had a phone call with Aliyev and applogised for shooting down the aircraft, so I support amending the blurb to reflect this.--] (]) 15:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
** My reading of the reporting on that subject is that Putin apologized for the aircraft being shot down, but not conceding ''shooting'' it down, i.e., a ] kind of statement. ] ] 19:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
***The point is that now we have some sort of a confirmation that it was shot down.--] (]) 20:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


==April 15== == December 24 ==
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==== Taliban spring offensive==== ==== RD: Joe Average ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = April 2012 Afghanistan attacks | article = Joe Average
| recent deaths = yes
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| sources =
| blurb = ] insurgents launch ''']''' on the British, Russian and German embassies, NATO's headquarters, military bases and the Afghan parliament in central ], and other cities, including ] and ].
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| sources =
| updated = yes | nominator = Ktin
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure --> | updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Canadian artist and activist.
| nominator = Meco <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| sign = ] (]) 16:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. -->
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
| minority = <!-- (yes/no); leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt = <!-- Add the reason for nominating the item. -->
| sign = --] (]) 16:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Support''' I think this is significant enough to post, once an article is ready for it. The attacks were spread throughout Afghanistan, and were focused on embassies of several countries, and the Afghanistan Parliament building. Despite not being very successful attacks, the intent of the attacks is significant, and it does show that the Afghan security forces can handle attacks without aid from NATO forces. However, the blurb is too long, and should be shortened to "] insurgents launch coordinated attacks on central ]." The blurb may also need to be changed as more details get released. -- ] (] • ]) 18:56, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support'''-This definitely seems significant enough, particularly as it is multiple attacks we are reporting. I have been waiting for an article, and the newly created one seems to be sufficient. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 21:32, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''': Major series of attacks. Article could do with some meat though. ] (]) 01:08, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Conditional support''' pending a suitable article and a non-sensationalist blurb. (Something roughly along the lines of ''A series of attacks across Afghanistan leave X dead and Y injured'' is all that's necessary.) '']'' <sup>]</sup> 06:16, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
:*The only thing is I'd like to see the blurb somehow reflecting the multitude, scope and top-level nature of many of these targets. As I gather the casualties were not substantial, but the targets were highly significant. __] (]) 08:53, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
::*Oops.. the casualties have risen considerably since I was last updated. They are noteworthy also. __] (]) 08:58, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
:::That's the ''article's'' job, not the blurb's&mdash;our purpose here is to showcase articles, not to report news or to convey how significant a news item is. There is no need to say "attacks on A, B, C, X, Y and Z" when you can say "attacks across Afghanistan". I say this with no offense intended, but the proposed blurb is absurdly long. '']'' <sup>]</sup> 10:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - These attacks are good ITN material. Serious in scope. Heard this on the US nationwide CBS radio news. ]]] 06:55, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The article should be a bit longer, the blurb a bit shorter - then it's ready to post. --''']''' 12:21, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
:* Article looks bulkier now. Agree with Swarm's blurb - we can also add "co-ordinated" to provide further emphasis if required. Good to post ? ] (]) 11:18, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
*It looks '''ready''', and it's getting old anyway. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 22:50, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


*'''Oppose''' needs better article organisation and appropriate subsections, at the moment it's just a big block of text furthermore with key information missing. ] (]) 21:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
====NW Pakistan Prison Raid====

====(Posted) Parker Solar Probe ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = War in North-West Pakistan | article = Parker Solar Probe
| image = Parker Solar Probe.jpg
| blurb = A ''']''' by the ] in North-West Pakistan free upto 400 inmates.
| blurb = The ''']''' ''(pictured)'' successfully completes its closest approach to the Sun
| sources =
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| updated =
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| nominator = Chocolate Horlicks
| updater = | ITNR = no
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| updater2 =
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| ITNR =
| sources = , , , , ,
| minority =
| note = | updated = yes
| nominator = Andrew Davidson <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| nom cmt = I've plugged in a reasonably sized update in the War in NW Pak article. If more is needed, we can have a new article for its own or add on to the existing update.
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| sign = ] (]) 07:46, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| updaters = Andi Fugard
| nom cmt = We might also mention that it will be travelling at 430,000 miles per hour – a new speed record. But it's stormy as it's a ]...
| sign = ]🐉(]) 08:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*<s>Still personally determining on notability, but '''oppose on quality''' - a two-sentence update to the lead is not enough to post.</s> ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 09:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:I've just removed it from the article: much of the text was only slightly changed from the news stories it had been taken from, and other material either wasn't directly supported by the sources or had been edited to put a slant on the claim (eg, the article stated that "Pakistani officials claimed that the heavily armed Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan forces entered the prison complex in cars and pickup trucks" which implies some doubt about their account which wasn't in the BBC story used to reference this which says that "Officials described" this as having occurred). ] (]) 08:20, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
*:The article is already quite large and detailed but I've added an update about the timing of this perihelion to the body. ]🐉(]) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::The factual nature of the news articles didnt leave much room for creativity. And the changes I did make are perceived by you to be unsourced/biased (although I fail to see it). In any case, the update could have been improved or tagged for improvement rather than being deleted. I cant be bothered to rewrite it now, lets hope someone better equipped is. Cheers. ] (]) 09:00, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
*:'''Support''' now - article sufficiently updated and other comments have made good cases as to scientific notability. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 23:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', as notable a solar space mission as you can get without landing. At least so far. Maybe post on the 27th when Parker is scheduled to send back information. ] (]) 09:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:FYI, the perihelion is today (Christmas Eve) around noon UTC. ]🐉(]) 09:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Right, but we won't even know if it has survived the approach until the 27th. ] (]) 09:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::: The perihelion is today and it's in the news today. As and when we get further news, we can update the blurb accordingly. ]🐉(]) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::I know, and if it were just you and I the blurb would be up already. Thanks for improving the article. Maybe a few others will come by and push this quickly over the finish line. ] (]) 11:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::Not sure how to intervene on this as I'm a new to ITN and don't want to break it :) The BBC cite notes that the temperatures that close will reach 1,400 °C and it will be moving faster than any other human-made object (692,000 kilometers per hour; 430,000 miles per hour). Maybe also something on how it has to act autonomously to ensure it is oriented in such as way that its shields protect it from the solar energy. At that distance from Earth, it would take about 8 minutes for a signal to get there and another 8 for it to be received: too slow for Earth-based control. ] (]) 11:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::::FYI, what's wanted mainly here are opinions whether we should post this news on the main page. These should focus mainly on the adequacy of the quality of the article. The blurb wording is open to discussion too and alternatives can be proposed. ]🐉(]) 11:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*This is not an ITNR, it has been in this close orbit of the sun for the last several years, just that this time it will swing closer than any previous time. ] (]) 13:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:No, this is not a stable orbit. What's been happening is that it has been making repeated flybys of Venus to pick up speed using gravity assistance. It made its seventh and final flyby of Venus in November and this gave it the speed for this closest approach to the Sun, which goes deep past the Alfvén surface. It is therefore the climax of a long mission and so is effectively the destination as it's downhill from here. And note that, while we posted the launch of the mission in 2018, we haven't posted a destination blurb yet. The mainstream coverage such as indicates that this is the time to post as it talks of the event "making history". ]🐉(]) 14:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::This pass by the sun is at 6.9M km, last year it got to 7.3M km, which on the order of magnitude of space, essentially the same. Its clear it reached its final destination, this unstable orbit between the sun and venus, four years or so ago. This is not ITNR, but note I'm not saying that this can't be considered as a normal ITNC candidate due to attention on being it's closest approach. ] (]) 15:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::This is wrong. It flies by Venus to slow down. If it slowed to zero it'd then fall straight down starting at 1 mph per dozens of seconds ending at ] (if it could survive till the ] I assume no). If it slowed down a little less than that it does this. Also in 2025 they'll point it at the Sun exposing it to tens of thousands percent sunlight killing everything except the shader in seconds. Especially if it can briefly transmit through that (I don't know) that seems like another interesting time (science fiction like ] becoming science fact). ] (]) 23:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::Good points. The gravity assists from Venus were used to make its orbit more eccentric and this gives the closer approach to the sun and that's when its speed is greater.
*:::I also wondered what was going to happen to the probe afterwards and so to the article to explain.
*:::]🐉(]) 07:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait'''. Its ''final'' flyby is scheduled for June 19, 2025. That seems to be the most appropriate time to post, not the two incidental records being set tomorrow. (Which records, by the way, will not be broken by Parker's remaining flybys.) ] (]) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Wait''' until the December 27 confirmation. ] (]) 06:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*:I '''Support''' now. ] (]) 13:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' It was noteworthy enough for BBC top story status, and it'll be interesting to see if it survived on the 27th. For heliophysics this is a major, decades-long effort, and it won't be so close to the surface of the Sun ever again. ] (]) 13:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', as the sources said it's an important milestone, and it is now in the news. ] (]) 07:57, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', an interesting event that's been compared to the Moon landing, and an interesting article as well. ☆ <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">]</span> (]) 20:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Update''' It's Dec 27 now and the probe's beacon signal has been received, showing that it has successfully completed its closest pass through the solar corona. ]🐉(]) 08:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*How is this ITNR? It's been orbiting the Sun for years. ] (]) 09:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The destination was not to orbit the sun – we're all doing that – but to make this closest approach which was just achieved for the first time. This took it deep inside the solar corona and Alfvén surface so that it could make the observations which were its mission. ]🐉(]) 09:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Again, its destination was this series of tight orbits around the Sun with some Venus flybys, which it reached 6-some years ago and has been doing since. It was inside the corona and broke the Alfven surface as early as 2021 . That this one orbit reached the closest approach to the sun does not make its destination.<span id="Masem:1735305762887:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 13:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Support''' - Important achievement for humanity and now in the news. Article well-sourced and informative. Opposers fail to convince that this should not be posted now. ] (]) 15:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' definitely in the news now and has been confirmed. Meets ] and ]. ]] (]) 17:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support'''. In the news. Important event. Sufficiently updated article.
:] (]) 18:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article in great shape and has been greatly updated. Important scientific news (which is always refreshing to see). --] (]) 18:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' ]] 23:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
==== RD or Blurb: Dési Bouterse ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Dési Bouterse<!-- Do not wikilink -->
| recent deaths = yes
|image=Дези Баутерсе.jpg
| sources = , <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
|blurb=Former military ruler and later president of ], ''']''' (pictured) dies at the age 79 while on the run following his conviction
|altblurb=Former ]'s leader and convicted criminal ''']''' (pictured) dies at the age of 79
|altblurb2=Former military ruler and later president of ], ''']''' (pictured) dies at the age of 79
| updated = yes<!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = 240F:7A:6253:1:41AE:341:4940:BDA3 <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = Borgenland<!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Former ].<!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 03:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

*'''Oppose''' huge amount of content is unsourced. And reading his role as dictator and later president, and convicted for several crimes, a blurb is suggestive. ] (]) 12:38, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Not ready''', article currently lacks citations for several sections, I also agree with Alsor above to '''blurb'''. ] (]) 19:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:'''Comment''' Added Altblurb2. ] (]) 19:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''', I definitely agree with the above regarding a blurb. ] (]) 22:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support when ready''', given that we had Manmohan Singh posted as a blurb I don't see why not, aside from the problem that the others mentioned regarding unsourced content. ] (]) 00:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose blurb''' Zero indication of why he was a major/key figure; notorious due to his convictions, but there's no sourcing or significant discussion to indicate what impact he had on the country or international politics (as there was for Singh). And '''Oppose RD''' due to numerous sourcing tag issues. --] (]) 13:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' Article needs to be fixed up before it could even be posted to RD. Would '''support blurb''' due to his convictions and crimes committed. --] (]) 18:44, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' but '''Support blurb''' per TDKR. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 22:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


==== RD: George Petak ====
====2012 Laurence Olivier Awards====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = 2012 Laurence Olivier Awards | article = George Petak
| recent deaths = yes
| article2 = <!-- Do not wikilink - leave blank if nominating only one article -->
| sources =
| blurb = ] wins ] and ] wins ] at the ''']'''.
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| sources =
| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards <!-- Do NOT change this ->
| updated = yes
| updated2 = <!-- (yes/no); only if there's a second article and article2 is filled in! Leave blank if unsure --> | updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = American Republican politician
| nominator = Therequiembellishere <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater = <!-- Should be filled with the username of the person who has contributed the most to updates. --> | sign = ] (]) 16:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
| updater2 = <!-- if more than one updater -->
| updater3 = <!-- if more than two updaters -->
| ITNR = yes <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at Misplaced Pages:In the news/Recurring events. -->
| minority = <!-- (yes/no); leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| note = <!-- Can be used to note potential problems with the nomination or article. -->
| nom cmt = Now the other major arm of English theatre has long been underrepresented here at ITN. I've update the article insofar as the nominees and winners, but I'm afraid that I don't live in the United Kingdom. So it's really a list right now but I honestly don't know what else to put into an awards ceremony's page. Also possibly worth mentioning is that Matilda has one more Olivier awards than any other (7) and the most since '']'', which won six. Can anyone help make it ITN worthy?
| sign = ] (]) 02:14, 16 April 2012 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
*'''Support''' Article is in good shape. ] (]) 20:03, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' once fully updated. As noted in the nom a little more prose would be welcome. I suggest leading with the best actoress(es) winners rather than the normal best play/best musical awards here, since that is the one the media coverage is focusing on. Apparently the youngest (joint) best actoress is the youngest ever Oliver winner. ] (]) 19:51, 16 April 2012 (UTC).
*'''Oppose''' until article is fully updated. I know nothing about these awards so I can't really do it myself without being too reliant on a few references, but the update definitely needs prose. I would hate to miss an ITN/R piece of news to go by because of a poor article update. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 00:43, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


==== RD: Richard Perry ====
==April 14==
{{ITN candidate
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| article = Richard Perry
{|{{Portal:Current events/2012 April 14}}
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = TheCorriynial <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Article needs help, but it was announced today that Richard Perry had died. He was best known for his work as a producer for artists like Carly Simon (] and "]"), Ringo Starr (] and "]" and "]") and along with owning ], launching ] with "]", "]", "]", "]" and "]". He also had other credits with many other artists.
| sign = ] (]) 02:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
}}

== December 23 ==
{{cot|]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 December 23}}
{{cob}} {{cob}}
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==== Grand National==== ==== RD: Michael Burkard ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article = 2012 Grand National | article = Michael Burkard
| recent deaths = yes
| blurb = ] wins the ''']''' horse race, in the event's closest ever finish.
| sources = ;
| sources = ,
| updated = | updated = yes
| nominator = | nominator = Trauma Novitiate
| updater = | updaters = Trauma Novitiate
| updater2 = | creator =
| nom cmt = Article is Start class, but it is well-cited and sourced and updated. It meets the minimum BLP requirements and is Ready to post on ITN, imo.
| ITNR = yes
| sign = <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small>
| minority =
| note =
| nom cmt = Two horses suffered fatal injuries in the race (this also happened last year, see ]). I wasn't sure whether to mention it in the blurb, but am pointing it out for disclosure.
| sign =—]— 23:17, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
}} }}
*No, the article is still a stub; please note the stub tag. I've changed the rating accordingly. We don't post stubs, hence the bio needs to be expanded. ''']]''' 22:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
'''Wow'''- I had no clue what the Grand National was, but that sounds pretty intense. With so much crazy action happening in the race, I think your blurb is sufficient. The detail you added about the closest ever finish seems fine, and I think if you mentioned the two fatalities in the race it would be favoring that over other notable occurrences. The article update is significant, so I labeled it '''ready'''. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:00, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' In my opinion, it is now Start Class. I’d be grateful if an Editor would look it over and mark it as Start Class. Thanks. ] (]) 11:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
** I'd be more supportive if there are 300+ words of prose. 200 words is too stubby. When and where was he born and raised? What did he do to earn the awards listed after the prose? --] (]) 03:08, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
**:Thank you, that’s good feedback! I’ll try to get more prose in there, and then I’ll get back to you for more oversight. Much appreciated. ] (]) 10:28, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


==== RD: Sophie Hediger ====
*'''Comment''' Can we add "horse race" at least for those unfamiliar with the event? ] (]) 04:10, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
**That seems reasonable. In fact, the lead of the article uses "Grand National horse race". ] (]) 04:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| article = Sophie Hediger
***Done. —]— 14:26, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| recent deaths = yes
*'''Support'''. ITN/R and the article is sufficiently updated. ] (]) 04:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| sources =
*'''Support''' I like the "closest ever" part of the blurb (by a nostril, in the end, wasn't it?). Alas like most Brits this weekend I made my one and only trip to the bookies and came away with nowt. ] <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 06:11, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| updated = yes
*Can an admin come post this? It's overdue for more than a day. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 00:22, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
| nominator = Abcmaxx
*'''Posted''' -- ''']''' 01:35, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
| updaters =
| creator =
| nom cmt = Article currently a stub, needs major expansion.
| sign = ] (]) 15:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
}}


* With only 103 words of prose, this wikibio is too stubby for use on ITN. Please expand it. --] (]) 02:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
====100 years since Titanic disaster====

{{archive top|] close this ]]<sup>]</sup> 08:00, 15 April 2012 (UTC)}}
==== RD: Shyam Benegal ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article =Sinking of the Titanic | article = Shyam Benegal
| recent deaths = yes
| blurb =April 15, 2012 marks the 100 year Anniversary of the 1912 ] disaster.
| sources =
| sources = ,
| updated = | updated =
| nominator = | nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards
| updater = | updaters =Pachu Kannan
| updater2 = | creator =
| ITNR =
| minority =
| note =
| nom cmt = Big event and historically important. Its not a very good blurb so change it if you come up with something better.
| sign =--] (]) 22:24, 14 April 2012 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}} }}
Indian filmmaker. ] (]) 14:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Anniversaries are non-events. It's a certainty for On This Day but inappropriate for ITN. ] (]) 22:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC).
::It's actually ]. The same event is only shown in one main page section so it was removed from On This Day. ] (]) 22:37, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': Per Crispmuncher's reasoning. --] (]) 23:33, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Just an anniversary. ] (]) 23:48, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' - Try in "On This Day". There is no requirement to put it within news stories and headlines ] <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 06:12, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
{{archive bottom}}


:'''Support:''' Article is in good shape. Deserves attention. ] (]|]) 18:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
====Summit of the Americas====
*'''Support''' Article is lengthy and well sourced ] (]) 23:35, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Comment'''. I have tagged the article with {{cn}} tags. Tagging {{u|Pharaoh of the Wizards}} and {{u|Pachu Kannan}} to see if they can fill some of those {{cn}} tags in preparation for homepage. ] (]) 00:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Done. ] (]) 04:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
* The Awards and nominations section needs more sourcing done. Please add more REFs. --] (]) 02:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

== December 22 ==
{{cot|]}}
{{Portal:Current events/2024 December 22}}
{{cob}}
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==== Ho Chi Minh City's first metro line opens ====
{{ITN candidate {{ITN candidate
| article =6th Summit of the Americas | article = HCMC Metro
| image =
| blurb =The ''']''' takes place in ], Colombia.
| blurb = ]'s ''']''' begins operations
| sources =
| updated = yes | recent deaths = no
| ongoing = no
| nominator = Lihaas<!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updater = | ITNR = no
| updater2 = | altblurb =
| ITNR = yes | altblurb2 =
| sources =
| minority =
| note = | updated = yes
| nominator = Banedon
| nom cmt = We mention BRICS, G20, etc (also overdue EU credit), should get some representation for the Americas (as well as Africa, btw).
| creator =
| sign = --] (]) 08:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| updaters = Ytrewq098, Jussie2024, George13lol2
| nom cmt =
| sign = ] (]) 08:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
}} }}
*'''Support''' - Important hemispheric meeting facing significant issues. Article in decent shape. All in all, ITN-worthy. 08:39, 14 April 2012 (UTC)]]]


:'''Weak support''' on quality and notability. Article could stand to be a bit more updated but is pretty good where it is now. I really think we ought to post more blurbs that aren't disasters, space missions, and geopolitics, and this is a good alternative. ] (]) 13:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''': Notable conference. And also as per nominator. ~*~''']]'''~*~ 11:26, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' Article has some cn tags and some ref issues to address. '''Weak support on notability''' per Departure. --] (]) 13:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Weak support''' on notability. I agree with Departure that this sort of story is a good choice for ITN: it's a significant improvement in the lives of millions of people in a major city we very rarely otherwise report on, in a field (transportation) that's very impactful but often doesn't make our headlines unless there's an accident, and we have a relevant article. Unfortunately, that leads me to '''oppose on quality''' for the time being, because the article is a bit of a mess, as TDKR Chicago 101 observes. ] (]) 13:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Seems rather a routine metro system outside of being the city's first. In addition to the quality issues that have bveen addressed. --] (]) 14:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Metro lines begin operation in many other cities all the time, so this is pretty much a routine event. There’s an exception if this is an innovation that makes it first of its kind, but there’s no indication that this is it.--] (]) 15:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' so many countries have metro lines, this doesn't meet ] therefore. ]] (]) 17:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*Whether significant or not, the quality is just not there, hence it's a no-go. ''']]''' 20:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


==== 2024 Gramado Piper PA-42 crash ====
*'''Oppose''' for now - A periodic conference taking place as scheduled for politicians to meet and chat is not really ITN-worthy till they make important decisions and publicize them. --] (]) 11:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
{{atop
**This. They should release something (like an agreement) first before this gets posted. –''']]]''' 11:30, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
| result = Consensus won't be reached for private plane crashes. ''']]''' 20:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''oppose''' - atleast until something out of the ordinary happens. Its otherwise just a summit.--] (]) 11:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
}}
::We post BRICS and G20 and APEC even] (]) 11:41, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
{{ITN candidate
*'''Oppose''': per PFHLai and Howard the Duck. <strong>]</strong>] 12:18, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
| article = 2024 Gramado Piper PA-42 crash
*'''Note:''' This is on ITNR, after Lihaas added it just ''hours'' ago after bitching about 2 weeks of discussion, if you call one reply as a "discussion." –''']]]''' 12:31, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
| image = 2024_Gramado_Piper_PA-42_crash.jpg
::This from someone who bitches about waht ]
| blurb = ''']''' in Brazil's ] kills 10 people and injures 17 others.
:::What I don't like is the way this was sneakily added to the ITNR list after a two-week, two-person discussion. I have not expressed any opinion on the merits of this nomination until the summit has been consummated.. –''']]]''' 14:35, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
*'''Oppose''' False nomination. As HtD as informed the room, Lihaas has added this to ITN/R by virtue of a two-week old stale discussion, in which only one other person responded. Not good enough. Not consensus. So as this is NOT ITN/R, and CANNOT be treated as such on this page, the judgement has to be the usual view on notability and importance. On which this fails both ] <sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 12:41, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
*'''Support''' How is this any different than the other summits we post? <span style="background:#66EE88">''']'''</span> 13:10, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
| ITNR = no
*'''Comment'''- Honestly, what is diminishing about this compared to the recent BRICS conference we posted? All of the above arguments are against summits in general, and are invalid as we have an indubitable precedence to post notable summits regardless of their results. I would like to see an argument as to why this summit particularly is of lesser importance as opposed to ranting about the sneaky way this was added to ITN/R. I request that this discussion be reopened. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 01:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| altblurb =
*:The difference was that the other summits were probably at ITN/R (for better or for worse, I have a sneaking suspicion on how they got on the list), so it was senseless to oppose them; this one was sneakily added so there's a reason to oppose this. When this is posted at the start/while the summit is ongoing, it's akin to posting a sports topic at the start of the preseason. Sure, anyone can argue that it's like rocket launches, but launching per se is a significant achievement, unlike holding a regularly-scheduled summit (indeed, when a summit like this is cancelled/postponed, then that becomes news). –''']]]''' 02:55, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
*::I don't care about how this was added to ITNR. That is irrelevant to the discussion. Your logic seems to be based on the fact that if a summit is not on ITNR, it doesn't belong on ITN, and that since in your opinion summits should not be on ITN because of their occurrence. That is true, but this is an exception because we never confirmed that it shouldn't be on ITNR. We need to discuss this on its merits, not how it was added to ITNR. I want an argument which states why this summit does not belong on ITN when others do that is not based on ITNR, as there hasn't been a consensus that this definitely shouldn't be on ITNR. Until then, no substantive arguments have been brought why this should not be posted or not be put on ITNR; merely about the fact that its initial posting on ITNR was unreasonable. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:16, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| sources =
*:::As what I've said earlier, the summit has to release something (an agreement, accord or whatever) before we can even discuss the merits of the summit per se. What I didn't say is that if this is not at the ITNR list, then it shouldn't be posted, nor if this is not ITNR-worthy. If it does release something, then we should begin discussion on this. –''']]]''' 03:24, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| updated = yes
*::::If a summit has to release something to be notable, why did we post so many other summits only on the basis of their occurence? For example, our blurb for the BRICS summit was "The fourth ''']''' takes place in ]." That is nearly identical to the nomination we have today, yet no one had an issue with it then. And seeing as this most certainly won't get posted, would you be willing to discuss it again when a report is released? I feel that the actual event is more notable than the release and the news may be stale by the time information comes out. Let me know what you think, although if you feel that you have expressed your opinion and are standing by it I don't mind. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 03:49, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| nominator = Chronus <!-- Do NOT change this -->
*:::::I think the reason why nobody bothered to comment on the BRICS summit was because I think it's on the ITNR list (not sure on this), plus, still not checking, the ITNR list says the opening should be enough. That's why nobody opposed.
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
*:::::I do not oppose this, heck I'm indifferent, but they should release something once the summit is over, right? We shouldn't post things when they had not done anything. If they don't release something, that means that they haven't accomplished anything. It that's news, that for the others to decide. –''']]]''' 04:04, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| updaters =
*::::::Are you trying to say that if it is on ITNR it just has to happen but if it is not then something has to come out of it? If that is the case, that would be unreasonable because it was never determined that the Summit of the Americas should not be on ITNR in the future, only that the way it was initially put on the list was unfair. A discussion could show that it should belong on ITNR, so for now we need to discuss on its merits. I would like to reinforce that at this point it should not matter whether the summit is on ITNR. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 14:19, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| nom cmt =
*:::::::If it's not on ITNR, we'd discuss it on its merits. It currently has no merits since nothing has come out of it. Now as for the other summits, they were listed on ITNR and ITNR allows for opening of summits, whether or not they've even discussed anything. That means we have no precedence to look up to, since (I figure) most summits nominated were at the ITNR list, so they'd be listed no matter what (unless of course on the hopefully (currently) mandatory update (such as the summit has begun, for the previous ones). –''']]]''' 14:28, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
| sign = ] (]) 09:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
*::::::::That sounds fair. I'll wait for a more thorough ITNR discussion before trying to push this one through without any results. Thanks for discussing. ]&nbsp;<sup><small>]</small></sup> 14:43, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
}}


*This should be under December 22 (see nomination steps above) ] (]) 12:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
==References==
*:{{ping|Yo.dazo}}<span class="nowrap">]'''&nbsp;Done'''</span><!--template:done-->! ] (]) 18:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Nominators often include links to external websites and other references in discussions on this page. It is usually best to provide such links using the ] <nowiki></nowiki> rather than using ], because that keeps all the relevant information in the same place as the nomination without having to jump to this section.
*:@]: fiz uma proposta que ''linka'' todos os três acidentes em uma só frase. Só rolar pra baixo. ] (]) 13:31, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*::@] that doesn’t change the fact that this entry is on the wrong date. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 16:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::{{ping|The Kip}} <span class="nowrap">]'''&nbsp;Done'''</span><!--template:done-->! ] (]) 18:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''': blurb should be changed to either "10 people and injures 17 others" or "ten people and injures seventeen others" to keep the numbering consistent. ] • ] • ] 17:07, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Kline}}<span class="nowrap">]'''&nbsp;Done'''</span><!--template:done-->! ] (]) 18:34, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' We have generally not posted private aviation disasters in the past, as unlike commercial aviation, there is typically not going to be a long-term investigation into the causes of the accident due to lack of regulation on private pilots. I know that several of the deaths were from those on the ground in addition to those in the plane, but this seems like more an unfortunate aspect, and not getting anywhere close to the coverage that I'd expect to see for a significant aviation disaster. --] (]) 14:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
{{abot}}


==== (Posted) Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = Coletiva ministro4.jpg <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = At least eleven people die and 6 others are missing after a ''']''' (pictured) between the states of ] and ] in Brazil.<!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <s>In two consecutive days, ], ] and ] occur in Brazil and result in a total of at least 62 deaths.</s> <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Deadly structural collapses like ] and this one needs more attention on ITN. Events coverage on en-wiki is so American-European-]-biased. Let's change it! <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 18:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}
*'''Oppose''' low death toll and seemingly local/very limited impact. ] ] <span style="color:#C8102E;"><small><sup>(])</sup></small></span> 21:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' There is no article for the bridge itself, yet there are detailed articles in Portuguese and German. I could not find articles in other languages about the collapse. I wonder whether the scope of this article should be broadened to include the bridge itself to align it with the two articles that exist in other languages. Such a change in scope would not prevent the article from consideration at ITN. ''']]''' 23:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:'''Comment''' Gee, it seems we've had a lot of transport-related disasters in Brazil the past few days. Would it be best to merge them all into a single blurb? ] (]) 23:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, like: "In two consecutive days, a ], a ] and a ] occur in Brazil and result in a total of at least 57 people died." ] (]) 01:41, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::No, they’re completely unrelated so we wouldn’t have a combination blurb. ]] 03:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I'm pretty sure last year we had two unrelated tornado outbreaks in the United States get a combined blurb. I don't see how this is much different - multiple major events involving transit and traffic causing a similar amount of fatalities all occurring in the same country, each with merits to their own blurb. ] (]) 04:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::::It's reasonable to combine two separate tornado outbreaks that occurred with a few days if each other as long as the blurb does not imply they were the same weather system. But combining several completely unrelated disasters simply due to bear term and location is not appropriate<span id="Masem:1735243360677:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 20:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*'''Comment''' In the original blurb "are died" ⇒ "are killed" or "die". ]] 14:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:{{done}}. ] (]) 18:56, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Update: . ] (]) 18:58, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::@]: consegue atualizar o artigo em português? Meus dedos estão com tendinite já! Kkkkk ] (]) 19:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::@] <span class="nowrap">]'''&nbsp;Done'''</span><!--template:done-->! ] (]) 20:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. A major bridge collapsed, killing 17 people. It's serious and relevant enough. ] (]) 20:13, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@]: . ] (]) 16:26, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*::@] It's clear that the disappeared are also dead. That's what I meant. ] (]) 18:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support blurbs''' Supporting altblurb. Quite unique (although tragic) that in two consecutive days Brazil has experienced heavy losses in transportation-related deaths. --] (]) 18:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' 3 major accidents, killing a large amount of people. ''']''' (]) 19:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Ten bodies were found by today. ] (]) 02:02, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support original only''' as meets ] and ]. Strongly oppose the merging of two blurbs into one, as these are 2 different, separate, non related events, just because they were in same country, that doesn't mean we should arbitrarily combine the blurbs. ]] (]) 12:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*:The road one is already posted, so this one would overlay it. ] (]) 17:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*::There has never been a consensus to actually do this "overlay" or put 2 events in one blurb. It's a stupid idea. ]] (]) 17:45, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::Right! Two significant events that needs to be posted separately. ] (]) 17:53, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::{{ping|Schwede66}} I think it's '''ready''' now. ] (]) 19:07, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' – ''']]''' 20:18, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


====(Posted) RD: Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri ====
For the times when <nowiki><ref></ref></nowiki> tags are being used, here are their contents:
{{ITN candidate
{{Reflist}}
| article = Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = , ,
| updated = yes
| nominator = Khaatir
| creator = Khaatir
}}
An Indian Muslim scholar and a professor of Hadith at ]. ] (]) 08:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Looks well cited and comprehensive enough to post. However, the article would be much improved if his theological / academic views and theories were included. ] (]) 07:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Article is well cited and long enough for ITNRD. Cheers, ''atque supra''! ]]] 17:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' G2G. Article in good quality. --] (]) 18:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. AGF on non-English REFs. --] (]) 02:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)


== December 21 ==
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==== RD: Jack Bond ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Jack Bond (director)
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated = yes
| nominator = 31.44.227.152
| updaters = ClaireFiona, Mohamad Darilin, Erksahin
| nom cmt = British film producer and director.
| sign = ] (]) 20:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
}}
*Not ready, as the section "Selected works" is mostly unreferenced. ''']]''' 20:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) Minas Gerais road crash ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Minas Gerais road crash <!-- Do not wikilink -->
| image = <!-- Name of image only; do not link. Please crop the image before adding, if necessary. -->
| blurb = At least forty-one people are killed in ] involving a bus, a road train and a car in ], Brazil. <!-- Add your suggestion of the blurb; should be written in simple present tense. -->
| recent deaths = no <!-- (yes/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Recent deaths" line -->
| ongoing = no <!-- (add/rem/no); instead of specifying a blurb the nomination can be for the "Ongoing" line -->
| ITNR = no <!-- 'No' by default. Only put in 'yes' if the event is listed at WP:ITNR -->
| altblurb = <!-- An alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| altblurb2 = <!-- A second alternative blurb. Leave blank if not needed -->
| sources = <!-- Include one or more references from verifiable, reliable sources. -->
| updated = <!-- (yes/no); Leave blank if you aren't sure -->
| nominator = ArionStar <!-- Do NOT change this -->
| creator = <!-- Editor who created the article, if relevant -->
| updaters = <!-- Editor(s) who significantly updated the article, separated by commas -->
| nom cmt = Very high number of deaths. Help me to improve the article. <!-- Additional comments go here -->
| sign = ] (]) 16:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC) <!-- Do NOT change this -->
}}

:'''Oppose''' until the article Isn't a draft or stub ] (]) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::@]: look at this now! ] (]) 11:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
{{hat|Extended content, unrelated to current nom}}
:I see that you have moved here with your usual ] of instead of learning how to do things yourself. Please, at least try to write the article before showing up here and asking others to do it for you. ] <small>]</small> 16:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{ping|W.carter}} I'm checking the domestic sources and adding them. I don't know about you, but I work for parts; by the way, the information is still being disclosed. ] (]) 18:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::A good practice is to create a passable draft first, get it accepted into article space, and then nominate it at ITN/C. You've been on the project for ten years, but you still do this "helpless newbie" routine. ] <small>]</small> 18:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, I'm relatively "newbie" on English wiki. There are no drafts on Portuguese wiki. ] (]) 19:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Then I suggest you take the ] to get more acquainted with how things work here on en-wiki. ] <small>]</small> 19:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
{{hab}}
*This is currently a one sentence stub, and was (correctly) moved to draft space. ] (]) 16:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I’ve re-opened this nomination as the lack of article isn’t a valid reason for closure.--] (]) 18:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*{{ping|ExclusiveEditor}} is ] good enough? ] (]) 18:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*:{{Re|ArionStar}} Don't add too many citations just to prove the notability. See ] to understand how to add more citations. ] ] 19:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' 1. The article is in draftspace, which should be enough to reject this nomination. 2. The draft article doesn't demonstrate passing ], yet alone ]. ]] (]) 18:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Not significant coverage? Aljazeera, CNN, The Guardian, Sky News? ] (]) 18:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*::AP? ] (]) 18:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::* ] and ] have not been met. ]] (]) 22:04, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*The discussion about ArionStar is irrelevant; behavioral concerns should be reported to the relevant noticeboard. Concerns as to the sourcing are misguided, as it clearly passes GNG based on what's currently used alone. The article will soon be moved back into mainspace, so concerns regarding its draftification will be assuaged. It could, however, be longer, per WP:ITNQUALITY, as it is rather stubby atm. Conversely, per WP:ITNUPDATE, it's not far short of ]. --]'']''] 19:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
**It doesn't pass the GNG or NEVENT ''yet''. This is a burst of news coverage with no current indication of having a long term impact. It is a sadly large scale disaster but unlike many natural disasters or the like, there's not a current expectation there will be a lot of Followup coverage.<span id="Masem:1734914802701:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 00:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*<s>'''Oppose for now''' page got deleted, but I will be happy to support it, if its back up and improved.</s>
*:'''Support''' Article is short, but is notable, and looks well sourced ] (])
*:@]: the article is ready now. ] (]) 20:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{reply|ArionStar}} should have asked a page mover to move that page. You completely naused the histoire up. ]'']''] 21:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Ok. I got it! ] (]) 21:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' One of the worst road crashes in Brazil's history. ] (]) 23:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' on notability, I've seen bus accidents of this scale not reported on ITN, but this seems to have got good coverage, {{small|(continued below)}} <br />'''Oppose''' on quality/ size. Thou tragic and widely reported, it is very short. ] ] 06:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Size''' is currently 1349 B (227 words).—] (]) 06:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''', significant accident, article is well sourced. ] (]) 11:07, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*:{{ping|Joseph2302|Bloxzge 025|Bagumba}} the article is bigger now. ] (]) 12:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' Passes GNG. Also noting we posted a car cash in Magdeburg the other day. --]'']''] 13:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*:I guess when the police catch the truck driver, we'll have some extra information to add. ] (]) 14:59, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Yes, it doesn't look at all good for the driver, whom the police have identified. ] (]) 18:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:*Commenting in mostly because I nominated the Magdeburg blurb—apples to oranges. Magdeburg's was a premeditated and (likely) politically-motivated attack, this was an accident. ] (]) 18:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:*Commenting in not mostly but wholly because other stuff exists. --]'']''] 18:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' The article is in good shape and well-referenced now. ] (]) 17:48, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Support in principle, oppose on quality'''</s> This is a very notable accident by its record-breaking fatality count alone. However, article is pretty sparse and two-thirds of the Collision section rely on a single BBC article in Portuguese. In addition, it implies a certainty about the details of the accident when, as far as I can tell, there are multiple conflicting accounts as to what exactly happened. ] (]) 18:37, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Likely = possibly? ] (]) 18:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*:Could you possibly raise the "multiple conflicting accounts" at ]? Many thanks. ] (]) 18:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*::{{Done}}. ] (]) 19:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:* Fixed, I think. '''Support.''' ] (]) 19:56, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' - the article is now in an appropriate state for posting. --]] 21:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
*:{{question|Ready?}} ] (]) 00:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per ]. Just a traffic accident on a road that has these regularly. The details seem unclear but the coverage is not lasting. ]🐉(]) 08:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:It's exactly what ] said: there's a follow-up coverage as a long term impact. ] (]) 11:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::By long term impact I would something along the lines of a safety investigation or changes to road laws that would be aimed to prevent this, but all there seems to be is the driver turning himself in. That's not really a lot for a traffic accident even if the most deadliest in Brazil history. Wp is not well suited for news stories that show little long term encyclopedic relevance.<span id="Masem:1735050025006:WikipediaFTTCLNIn_the_news/Candidates" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;] (]) 14:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
*:If the event is not notable, do you think the article should be ]? Exactly which details do you think need further clarification? Thanks. ] (]) 11:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Pertinent questions. ] (]) 16:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::In addition and by the way: a ] in Canada with fewer deaths a year ago. Thoughts? ] (]) 16:59, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::It's not always about how much people died. ] (]) 17:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::What's it about? Canada? ] (]) 17:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::Fatal accidents involving buses are quite common. For example, there was a just yesterday. See also ]. ]🐉(]) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::With 41 fatal victims? It was a ]. ] (]) 18:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::: According to ], Brazil has about 34,000 road deaths each year. That's more than twice 41 every day. 41 is therefore nothing special; they just happened together because that's the way buses work -- people ride together. ]🐉(]) 21:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::::::It's only special because it's.... in the news? ] (]) 21:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::::::One of the deadliest road accidents in the country's history. It is special itself. ] (]) 22:50, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Mark as Ready''' These arguments are a little shallow and some seem ]-biased to me. ] (]) 18:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support'''; up to a decent ITN quality. Don't see how this is routine with 41 deaths. ] • ] • ] 20:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted''' With article issues resolved, there's clear consensus to post. ''']]''' 22:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*:@]: please, keep the original setence. ] (]) 23:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*::"A survivor on the bus said the vehicle that left São Paulo was replaced by what crashed." Is this sentence grammatically correct? ] (]) 00:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*:::{{yo|ArionStar}} No, fixed, thanks for pointing this out. ] (]) 01:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*::::The original blurb (At least 41 people are killed in ] involving a bus, a road train and a car in ], Brazil) is more explanatory. ] (]) 02:06, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::That sounded way too complicated, which is why I simplified it. ''']]''' 02:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::The victims are still hospitalized, so it would be better if we added the term "at least". ] (]) 02:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::If the number changes, we'll update it; that is standard practice. ''']]''' 18:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Don Martina ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Don Martina
| recent deaths = yes
| sources =
| updated =
| nominator = Pharaoh of the Wizards
| updaters = Crispulop
| nom cmt = Curaçaoan politician
| sign = ] (]) 10:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
}}
*'''Comment''' Served two impactful terms as Prime Minister of the Netherlands Antilles. I made some further additions to the article. ] (]) 13:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Posted to RD'''. Appropriate depth, fully referenced. ''']'''<sup>]]</sup> 20:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' good length, fully referenced, comprehensive. ] (]) 20:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

==== (Posted) RD: Joanne Pierce Misko ====
{{ITN candidate
| article = Joanne Pierce Misko
| recent deaths = yes
| sources = ]
| updated = yes
| nominator = ForsythiaJo
| updaters = ForsythiaJo
| creator = Thriley
| nom cmt = One of the ]'s first two female agents.
| sign = ] (]) 03:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
}}
*'''Comment''' I am not altogether sure this is not a case of ]. -] (]) 03:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
** Would the first, the longest tenured, and getting inducted to a HoF count as 3E? --] (]) 03:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

* With 482 words, this wikibio is long enough to qualify. Formatting looks fine. Footnotes can be found in expected spots. . This wikibio, judging from its edit history, was already '''READY for RD a few days ago''', within 7 days after the Dec.19th publication of her death. --] (]) 14:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Posted'''. ] 14:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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(Top) 358 358
Archives 157 157
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December 28 174 174
December 27 125 125
RD: Olivia Hussey 1,372 1,372
RD: Greg Gumbel 1,693 1,693
Kamal Adwan hospital burning 3,117 3,117
(Ready) Impeachment of Han Duck-soo 10,497 10,497
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December 25 125 125
RD: Jax Dane 898 898
(Posted) RD: Osamu Suzuki (businessman) 1,261 1,261
RD: Paul Abine Ayah 463 463
2024 Estlink 2 incident 5,542 5,542
RD: Bill Bergey 961 961
RD: M. T. Vasudevan Nair 3,150 3,150
(Posted) Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 9,952 9,952
December 24 125 125
RD: Joe Average 793 793
(Posted) Parker Solar Probe 11,794 11,794
RD or Blurb: Dési Bouterse 3,571 3,571
RD: George Petak 841 841
RD: Richard Perry 1,186 1,186
December 23 125 125
RD: Michael Burkard 1,940 1,940
RD: Sophie Hediger 679 679
RD: Shyam Benegal 1,434 1,434
December 22 125 125
Ho Chi Minh City's first metro line opens 3,215 3,215
2024 Gramado Piper PA-42 crash 3,651 3,651
(Posted) Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse 8,839 8,839
(Posted) RD: Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri 1,430 1,430
December 21 125 125
RD: Jack Bond 798 798
(Posted) Minas Gerais road crash 18,557 18,557
(Posted) RD: Don Martina 1,161 1,161
(Posted) RD: Joanne Pierce Misko 1,441 1,441
References 830 830
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December 27, 2024 (2024-12-27) (Friday)

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RD: Olivia Hussey

Article: Olivia Hussey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
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Nominator's comments: British-Argentine actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:C85F:CD98:861D:B7DF (talk) 03:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Greg Gumbel

Article: Greg Gumbel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Nominator's comments: American sportscaster who called N.F.L. and N.C.A.A. games for CBS. Thriley (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Support First African-American sportscaster to call the Super Bowl. SigKauffman54 (talk) 16:16, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
That's not relevant here, only article quality is. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:22, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Support -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:39, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

Kamal Adwan hospital burning

Article: Kamal Adwan Hospital sieges (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israeli troops attack the Kamal Adwan hospital, the last one remaining in the northern Gaza Strip, forcing its staff and patients to leave (Post)
News source(s): Al-Jazeera, Associated Press
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: I know there's a daily tragedy in the Israel-Hamas war, but this is significant development given that its the last functioning one in northern Gaza Strip and hospitals have been a critical lifeline for Gazans. Further, burning down much of the hospital is fairly unprecedented even in this brutal war. Feel free to suggest alternative blurbs. VR (Please ping on reply) 20:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Covered by ongoing. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 02:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

(Ready) Impeachment of Han Duck-soo

Proposed image Articles: Impeachment of Han Duck-soo (talk · history · tag) and Han Duck-soo (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Acting President of South Korea and Prime minister, Han Duck-soo (pictured) is impeached by the National Assembly. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Acting President of South Korea and Prime minister, Han Duck-soo (pictured) is impeached by the National Assembly and is succeeded by Choi Sang-mok.
News source(s): BBC News, Reuters, South Korea National Assembly E-law Library KWNews (in Korean)
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Nominator's comments: Impeachement of Acting President of South Korea is unprecedented, and deputy prime minister will be both acting President and acting Prime Minister will also unprecedented. I also feel that we may need an ongoing article title like "2024-2025 South Korea Political Crisis" Haers6120 (talk) 06:58, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

UPDATE: Han seems accept National Assembly's decision . Haers6120 (talk) 08:03, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support --Takipoint123 (talk) 08:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose SK's government seems to be gridlocked and this impeachment just seems to be a procedural tactic which passed easily because only a simple majority was required as this was considered a ministerial-level matter. It reminds me of the difficulty in getting a stable Speaker of the US House. It's internal politics and there's more to come before they are out of the woods. Other countries such as France and Germany have similar issues and so we should have a fairly high bar for posting. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support significant news from the crisis Setarip (talk) 11:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support Change of head of state and effective executive of the nation. And isn't this ITNR? Gotitbro (talk) 11:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
I don't think it's ITNR, because Han was explicitly only the acting president, and is in his turn only suspended and not deposed. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Well the nom is listed as such and I don't think our ITNR rules for heads of state/government (state leaders) have ever been that granular to exclude such changes .
Also, I think we need to appreciate the difference between those countries where single state leaders hold effective power (South Korea) versus where where power distribution maybe more shared (France, Germany that have been cited here). Gotitbro (talk) 15:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose - Clearly the first impeachment following the attempt to declare martial law was major. Following that impeachment and resignation, the role of acting president fell to the PM, which was not meant to be a long-term determination. This impeaching is a result of more political infighting, and nothing specifically that Duck-soo did, and far less impactful than the original impeachment. Its basically a game of partisan musical chairs, since now the finance minister becomes next in line as acting president. --Masem (t) 13:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support altblurb Notable event. Han is the first acting president is the country's history to be impeached. This is a significant update from the fallout of the martial law crisis. Also, the altblurb is best as it illustrates the change in power so to speak. Article is in good shape too. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose - While this is significant, it's part of the continuing crisis. As Andrew notes correctly, France and Germany are also both experiencing unstable government at the moment, and we're not posting blow-by-blow accounts of those to ITN, but only the substantive changes at the top. South Korea's situation, while a bit more volatile, is broadly similar. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • France and Germany are bad analogies in this case, not least because South Korea's case already involves an attempted self-coup and two impeachments. Though I ultimately agree that a third blurb about largely the same crisis might be too much, there may be merit in instead adding this to Ongoing (if it can be maintained). Yo.dazo (talk) 16:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Support This is another major and unprecedented development in a situation that has already proven itself to be blurb-worthy on at least 2 occasions Rahcmander (talk) 16:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Support For this is unprecedented situation and technically change of head of state. Would oppose another impeachment (which is probable in less than a week) as per Andrew. Didgogns (talk) 18:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support per above. The Kip 18:59, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support Nobody saw this coming This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk)
  • Comment This is an extension of the initial coup. The root cause for both, is that for some reason I can't fathom, having a solid majority in the Parliament, doesn't give you any control of the government. Similar to the issues in the USA, but without the ability of the Parliament to pass legislation, or change the speaker. For some reason the party controlling the presidency and PM believe that letting the other party into power is some existential crisis - hence the extremes they'll go to (first illegally, and now legally). This will continue until a presidential election is triggered. I have no doubt the new acting President will be impeached quickly if he doesn't approve the nominations to the constitutional court. Perhaps South Korean Constitutional Crisis or something should be an ongoing? Nfitz (talk) 03:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
    Is there news coverage of the events of this happening near daily? Not really. Just because two events have happened within a month apart doesn't make it an ongoing story, and the ongoing line is far too busy as it is right now to add anything else, particularly something that isn't having near-daily stories. Masem (t) 04:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Weak Support: This is just a greater part of the coup attempt by Yoon, but something I didn't see coming. TansoShoshen (talk) 10:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
@Admins willing to post ITN: I see consensus to post here. (I am of course far too involved to do it myself.) charlotte 20:35, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
I agree that there's consensus. May I suggest that we wait half a day or so? I've just posted the Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse and it sits in the bottom slot. If we were to post this item now, it'll nuke the bridge article after only a few minutes. Schwede66 20:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Fine with me. charlotte 20:43, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

December 26

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December 26, 2024 (2024-12-26) (Thursday)

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(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: Manmohan Singh

Proposed image Article: Manmohan Singh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former Prime Minister of India Manmohan Singh (pictured) dies at the age of 92 (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, The Times of India
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Nominator's comments: Potential blurb, but he's not sitting, so at least RD. Sportsnut24 (talk) 16:40, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

December 25

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December 25, 2024 (2024-12-25) (Wednesday)

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RD: Jax Dane

Article: Jax Dane (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer - Figure Four Online, Fightful, NWA
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Nominator's comments: American professional wrestler. Still needs a few citations, but honestly in pretty good shape compared to most wrestlers' articles. The Kip 18:51, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Osamu Suzuki (businessman)

Article: Osamu Suzuki (businessman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://apnews.com/article/japan-suzuki-motor-india-495bf88bbc55c2e96faa447a5b5806f0
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 Japanese businessman, chairman of Suzuki Motor Corporation. --14:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Paul Abine Ayah

Article: Paul Abine Ayah (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Actu Cameroun
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Nominator's comments: Cameroonian lawyer and politician. Jmanlucas (talk) 02:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 Estlink 2 incident

Proposed image Article: 2024 Estlink 2 incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The submarine power cable Estlink 2 is damaged by an oil tanker suspected of belonging to Russia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Finnish police take over oil tanker Eagle S, suspected of damaging submarine power cable Estlink 2.
News source(s): https://yle.fi/a/74-20133526
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Nominator's comments: I'll try to combine https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:Eagle_S_on_the_map_of_MarineTraffic,_in_relation_to_the_Estlink_2_incident.png with the cropped version of the Estlink map if I get a chance to do so. A significant event mentioned in multiple international news sources. NotAGenious (talk) 14:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Bill Bergey

Article: Bill Bergey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
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Nominator's comments: American football player Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:50, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: M. T. Vasudevan Nair

Article: M. T. Vasudevan Nair (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Indian Express BBCThe Indian Express Independent Gulf news Khaleej times
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Nominator's comments: Renowned Malayalam writer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243

Proposed image Article: Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (aircraft pictured) crashes near Aktau, Kazakhstan with 67 people on board. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 (aircraft pictured) crashes near Aktau, Kazakhstan, killing 39 people.
News source(s): BBC The Guardian Al Jazeera
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Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: A few dozen have been reported dead as a result of the crash. Tofusaurus (talk) 09:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Support Surprised this isn't already up. A significant crash. ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 13:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
QalasQalas (talk) 16:45, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

December 24

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December 24, 2024 (2024-12-24) (Tuesday)

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RD: Joe Average

Article: Joe Average (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV News
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Nominator's comments: Canadian artist and activist. Ktin (talk) 16:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Oppose needs better article organisation and appropriate subsections, at the moment it's just a big block of text furthermore with key information missing. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:19, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Parker Solar Probe

Proposed image Article: Parker Solar Probe (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Parker Solar Probe (pictured) successfully completes its closest approach to the Sun (Post)
News source(s): DW, Guardian, NYT, Scientific American, BBC, Space
Credits:
Article updated

Nominator's comments: We might also mention that it will be travelling at 430,000 miles per hour – a new speed record. But it's stormy as it's a solar maximum... Andrew🐉(talk) 08:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Still personally determining on notability, but oppose on quality - a two-sentence update to the lead is not enough to post. The Kip 09:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    The article is already quite large and detailed but I've added an update about the timing of this perihelion to the body. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Support now - article sufficiently updated and other comments have made good cases as to scientific notability. The Kip 23:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support, as notable a solar space mission as you can get without landing. At least so far. Maybe post on the 27th when Parker is scheduled to send back information. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    FYI, the perihelion is today (Christmas Eve) around noon UTC. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Right, but we won't even know if it has survived the approach until the 27th. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    The perihelion is today and it's in the news today. As and when we get further news, we can update the blurb accordingly. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    I know, and if it were just you and I the blurb would be up already. Thanks for improving the article. Maybe a few others will come by and push this quickly over the finish line. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:17, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Not sure how to intervene on this as I'm a new to ITN and don't want to break it :) The BBC cite notes that the temperatures that close will reach 1,400 °C and it will be moving faster than any other human-made object (692,000 kilometers per hour; 430,000 miles per hour). Maybe also something on how it has to act autonomously to ensure it is oriented in such as way that its shields protect it from the solar energy. At that distance from Earth, it would take about 8 minutes for a signal to get there and another 8 for it to be received: too slow for Earth-based control. Andi Fugard (talk) 11:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    FYI, what's wanted mainly here are opinions whether we should post this news on the main page. These should focus mainly on the adequacy of the quality of the article. The blurb wording is open to discussion too and alternatives can be proposed. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
  • This is not an ITNR, it has been in this close orbit of the sun for the last several years, just that this time it will swing closer than any previous time. Masem (t) 13:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    No, this is not a stable orbit. What's been happening is that it has been making repeated flybys of Venus to pick up speed using gravity assistance. It made its seventh and final flyby of Venus in November and this gave it the speed for this closest approach to the Sun, which goes deep past the Alfvén surface. It is therefore the climax of a long mission and so is effectively the destination as it's downhill from here. And note that, while we posted the launch of the mission in 2018, we haven't posted a destination blurb yet. The mainstream coverage such as this BBC bulletin indicates that this is the time to post as it talks of the event "making history". Andrew🐉(talk) 14:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    This pass by the sun is at 6.9M km, last year it got to 7.3M km, which on the order of magnitude of space, essentially the same. Its clear it reached its final destination, this unstable orbit between the sun and venus, four years or so ago. This is not ITNR, but note I'm not saying that this can't be considered as a normal ITNC candidate due to attention on being it's closest approach. Masem (t) 15:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    This is wrong. It flies by Venus to slow down. If it slowed to zero it'd then fall straight down starting at 1 mph per dozens of seconds ending at c. 0.1% the speed of light (if it could survive till the visible surface I assume no). If it slowed down a little less than that it does this. Also in 2025 they'll point it at the Sun exposing it to tens of thousands percent sunlight killing everything except the shader in seconds. Especially if it can briefly transmit through that (I don't know) that seems like another interesting time (science fiction like Sunshine (2007 film) becoming science fact). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:23, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Good points. The gravity assists from Venus were used to make its orbit more eccentric and this gives the closer approach to the sun and that's when its speed is greater.
    I also wondered what was going to happen to the probe afterwards and so added a paragraph to the article to explain.
    Andrew🐉(talk) 07:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Wait. Its final flyby is scheduled for June 19, 2025. That seems to be the most appropriate time to post, not the two incidental records being set tomorrow. (Which records, by the way, will not be broken by Parker's remaining flybys.) 128.91.40.237 (talk) 15:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Wait until the December 27 confirmation. ArionStar (talk) 06:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    I Support now. ArionStar (talk) 13:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support It was noteworthy enough for BBC top story status, and it'll be interesting to see if it survived on the 27th. For heliophysics this is a major, decades-long effort, and it won't be so close to the surface of the Sun ever again. ElectronicsForDogs (talk) 13:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support, as the sources said it's an important milestone, and it is now in the news. Alexcalamaro (talk) 07:57, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support, an interesting event that's been compared to the Moon landing, and an interesting article as well. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:19, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Update It's Dec 27 now and the probe's beacon signal has been received, showing that it has successfully completed its closest pass through the solar corona. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • How is this ITNR? It's been orbiting the Sun for years. Banedon (talk) 09:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    The destination was not to orbit the sun – we're all doing that – but to make this closest approach which was just achieved for the first time. This took it deep inside the solar corona and Alfvén surface so that it could make the observations which were its mission. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:49, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    Again, its destination was this series of tight orbits around the Sun with some Venus flybys, which it reached 6-some years ago and has been doing since. It was inside the corona and broke the Alfven surface as early as 2021 . That this one orbit reached the closest approach to the sun does not make its destination. — Masem (t) 13:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support - Important achievement for humanity and now in the news. Article well-sourced and informative. Opposers fail to convince that this should not be posted now. Jusdafax (talk) 15:30, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support definitely in the news now and has been confirmed. Meets WP:ITNSIGNIF and WP:ITNQUALITY. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Support. In the news. Important event. Sufficiently updated article.
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RD or Blurb: Dési Bouterse

Proposed image Article: Dési Bouterse (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former military ruler and later president of Suriname, Dési Bouterse (pictured) dies at the age 79 while on the run following his conviction (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former Suriname's leader and convicted criminal Dési Bouterse (pictured) dies at the age of 79
Alternative blurb II: ​ Former military ruler and later president of Suriname, Dési Bouterse (pictured) dies at the age of 79
News source(s): NLTimes, AP News
Credits:
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Former president of Suriname. 240F:7A:6253:1:41AE:341:4940:BDA3 (talk) 03:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: George Petak

Article: George Petak (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
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Nominator's comments: American Republican politician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Richard Perry

Article: Richard Perry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP
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Nominator's comments: Article needs help, but it was announced today that Richard Perry had died. He was best known for his work as a producer for artists like Carly Simon (No Secrets and "You're So Vain"), Ringo Starr (Ringo (album) and "Photograph (Ringo Starr song)" and "You're Sixteen") and along with owning Planet Records, launching The Pointer Sisters with "Fire (Bruce Springsteen song)", "Neutron Dance", "I'm So Excited", "Slow Hand" and "Jump (For My Love)". He also had other credits with many other artists. TheCorriynial (talk) 02:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

December 23

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RD: Michael Burkard

Article: Michael Burkard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Academy of American Poets; Nightboat.org
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Nominator's comments: Article is Start class, but it is well-cited and sourced and updated. It meets the minimum BLP requirements and is Ready to post on ITN, imo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trauma Novitiate (talk • contribs)

RD: Sophie Hediger

Article: Sophie Hediger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Article currently a stub, needs major expansion. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

RD: Shyam Benegal

Article: Shyam Benegal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Economic Times
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Indian filmmaker. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 14:42, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Support: Article is in good shape. Deserves attention. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 18:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

December 22

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Ho Chi Minh City's first metro line opens

Article: HCMC Metro (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ho Chi Minh City's first metro line begins operations (Post)
News source(s): VN Express Bloomberg
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Article updated

 Banedon (talk) 08:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Weak support on quality and notability. Article could stand to be a bit more updated but is pretty good where it is now. I really think we ought to post more blurbs that aren't disasters, space missions, and geopolitics, and this is a good alternative. Departure– (talk) 13:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose on quality Article has some cn tags and some ref issues to address. Weak support on notability per Departure. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 13:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Weak support on notability. I agree with Departure that this sort of story is a good choice for ITN: it's a significant improvement in the lives of millions of people in a major city we very rarely otherwise report on, in a field (transportation) that's very impactful but often doesn't make our headlines unless there's an accident, and we have a relevant article. Unfortunately, that leads me to oppose on quality for the time being, because the article is a bit of a mess, as TDKR Chicago 101 observes. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose Seems rather a routine metro system outside of being the city's first. In addition to the quality issues that have bveen addressed. --Masem (t) 14:02, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose Metro lines begin operation in many other cities all the time, so this is pretty much a routine event. There’s an exception if this is an innovation that makes it first of its kind, but there’s no indication that this is it.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:06, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose so many countries have metro lines, this doesn't meet WP:ITNSIGNIF therefore. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Whether significant or not, the quality is just not there, hence it's a no-go. Schwede66 20:44, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 Gramado Piper PA-42 crash

Consensus won't be reached for private plane crashes. Schwede66 20:46, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposed image Article: 2024 Gramado Piper PA-42 crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A plane crash in Brazil's Gramado kills 10 people and injures 17 others. (Post)
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Article updated Chronus (talk) 09:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse

Proposed image Article: Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira Bridge collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least eleven people die and 6 others are missing after a bridge partially collapses (pictured) between the states of Tocantins and Maranhão in Brazil. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In two consecutive days, a traffic collision, a plane crash and a bridge collapse occur in Brazil and result in a total of at least 62 deaths.
News source(s): (Reuters) (BBC)
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Nominator's comments: Deadly structural collapses like 2024 Lixinsha Bridge collapse and this one needs more attention on ITN. Events coverage on en-wiki is so American-European-developed countries-biased. Let's change it! ArionStar (talk) 18:38, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Oppose low death toll and seemingly local/very limited impact. The Kip 21:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment There is no article for the bridge itself, yet there are detailed articles in Portuguese and German. I could not find articles in other languages about the collapse. I wonder whether the scope of this article should be broadened to include the bridge itself to align it with the two articles that exist in other languages. Such a change in scope would not prevent the article from consideration at ITN. Schwede66 23:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Comment Gee, it seems we've had a lot of transport-related disasters in Brazil the past few days. Would it be best to merge them all into a single blurb? Departure– (talk) 23:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes, like: "In two consecutive days, a traffic collision, a plane crash and a bridge collapse occur in Brazil and result in a total of at least 57 people died." ArionStar (talk) 01:41, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
No, they’re completely unrelated so we wouldn’t have a combination blurb. Stephen 03:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure last year we had two unrelated tornado outbreaks in the United States get a combined blurb. I don't see how this is much different - multiple major events involving transit and traffic causing a similar amount of fatalities all occurring in the same country, each with merits to their own blurb. Departure– (talk) 04:48, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
It's reasonable to combine two separate tornado outbreaks that occurred with a few days if each other as long as the blurb does not imply they were the same weather system. But combining several completely unrelated disasters simply due to bear term and location is not appropriate — Masem (t) 20:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri

Article: Qamruddin Ahmad Gorakhpuri (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Asr-e-Hazir, Millat Times, Eastern Crescent
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Article updated
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An Indian Muslim scholar and a professor of Hadith at Darul Uloom Deoband. Khaatir (talk) 08:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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RD: Jack Bond

Article: Jack Bond (director) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British film producer and director. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 20:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Minas Gerais road crash

Article: Minas Gerais road crash (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least forty-one people are killed in a road crash involving a bus, a road train and a car in Minas Gerais, Brazil. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera The Guardian O Globo
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Nominator's comments: Very high number of deaths. Help me to improve the article. ArionStar (talk) 16:33, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Oppose until the article Isn't a draft or stub Bloxzge 025 (talk) 02:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
@Bloxzge 025: look at this now! ArionStar (talk) 11:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Extended content, unrelated to current nom
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I see that you have moved here with your usual MO of grifting for help instead of learning how to do things yourself. Please, at least try to write the article before showing up here and asking others to do it for you. Cart (talk) 16:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
@W.carter: I'm checking the domestic sources and adding them. I don't know about you, but I work for parts; by the way, the information is still being disclosed. ArionStar (talk) 18:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
A good practice is to create a passable draft first, get it accepted into article space, and then nominate it at ITN/C. You've been on the project for ten years, but you still do this "helpless newbie" routine. Cart (talk) 18:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I'm relatively "newbie" on English wiki. There are no drafts on Portuguese wiki. ArionStar (talk) 19:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Then I suggest you take the introduction course to get more acquainted with how things work here on en-wiki. Cart (talk) 19:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
  • The discussion about ArionStar is irrelevant; behavioral concerns should be reported to the relevant noticeboard. Concerns as to the sourcing are misguided, as it clearly passes GNG based on what's currently used alone. The article will soon be moved back into mainspace, so concerns regarding its draftification will be assuaged. It could, however, be longer, per WP:ITNQUALITY, as it is rather stubby atm. Conversely, per WP:ITNUPDATE, it's not far short of the traditional yardstick. --SerialNumber54129 19:38, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
    • It doesn't pass the GNG or NEVENT yet. This is a burst of news coverage with no current indication of having a long term impact. It is a sadly large scale disaster but unlike many natural disasters or the like, there's not a current expectation there will be a lot of Followup coverage. — Masem (t) 00:46, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now page got deleted, but I will be happy to support it, if its back up and improved.
    Support Article is short, but is notable, and looks well sourced TheHiddenCity (talk)
    @TheHiddenCity: the article is ready now. ArionStar (talk) 20:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
@ArionStar: should have asked a page mover to move that page. You completely naused the histoire up. SerialNumber54129 21:45, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Ok. I got it! ArionStar (talk) 21:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
That sounded way too complicated, which is why I simplified it. Schwede66 02:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
The victims are still hospitalized, so it would be better if we added the term "at least". ArionStar (talk) 02:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
If the number changes, we'll update it; that is standard practice. Schwede66 18:33, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Don Martina

Article: Don Martina (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NU
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Nominator's comments: Curaçaoan politician Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 10:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Joanne Pierce Misko

Article: Joanne Pierce Misko (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times]
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: One of the FBI's first two female agents. ForsythiaJo (talk) 03:11, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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