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Shouldn't the fact that it's cheaper to build a computer yourself Shouldn't the fact that it's cheaper to build a computer yourself
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It's generally not a huge saving to build from scratch. Its often cheaper to buy a ready built barebones system and add whatever upgrades you require. Its hard to build down to the quality of a prebuilt system ;) It's generally not a huge saving to build from scratch. Its often cheaper to buy a ready built barebones system and add whatever upgrades you require. Its hard to build down to the quality of a prebuilt system ;)
:: Buying a barebones system IS building your own computer. You're just starting from a different point. It is definitely less expensive to build your own computer vs. buying a system. Plus you get exactly what you want. No more and no less.


The real saving is if you have a need for more than a single PC, second line systems built from the debris of later upgrades are very cheap. My main reason for self build theses days (author of the original article) is to build systems with hardware that I know is compatible with Linux. The real saving is if you have a need for more than a single PC, second line systems built from the debris of later upgrades are very cheap. My main reason for self build theses days (author of the original article) is to build systems with hardware that I know is compatible with Linux.
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- ] (]) 03:24, 1 April 2010 (UTC) - ] (]) 03:24, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

:<Years later> That would be fascinating to read about,if it could be referenced. But there's more about Purolator and bubble-wrap about this article than wire-wrap pencils or logic design. Notability might be a problem; how notable are grad-student projects or hobby projects in general? There's probably more people who build airplanes from kit plans then there are people who build CPUs from SSI chips. --] (]) 15:14, 27 April 2012 (UTC) :<Years later> That would be fascinating to read about,if it could be referenced. But there's more about Purolator and bubble-wrap about this article than wire-wrap pencils or logic design. Notability might be a problem; how notable are grad-student projects or hobby projects in general? There's probably more people who build airplanes from kit plans then there are people who build CPUs from SSI chips. --] (]) 15:14, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

:I agree that there's a difference between "Homebuilt PC" (i.e., PC built from board-level components) and "Homebrew Computer" (computer built from chip-level components). There seem to still be multiple communities of people doing Homebrew systems (e.g., , multiple Facebook groups for 6502/Z80/Other homebrew systems, the , and so forth). If anything, the Homebrew scene seems to be heating up again. I think the correct page for Homebrew Computers should perhaps be something like "Homebrew Computer System" linked from ] perhaps? ] (]) 15:44, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

== English Language Variant ==

A recent edit by a known disruptive editor (]) changed English spellings to American. the article was originally written in British English with British English spellings. According to ] the regional usage of the original article should be preserved. Also according to ] a <nowiki> {{British English}}</nowiki> tag was attached to the article discussion page to identify an article written in British English. Wtshymanski has removed the tag no less than three time claming (in the edit summary) that it is a "weird tag". The last occassion claiming that the article has "... no association with Indian English" (exactly what he is smoking to reach that argument is a mystery).

It is my belief that this tag is legitimate and that Wtshymanski has no right to delete it. ] (]) 14:59, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

:A quick look through the article shows that the article is written in British English, though I did find just 2 Non English spellings (corrected).

:Adding a variant tag seems to be a legitimate method of identifying the English variant used in an article especially give the American habit of changing entire articles from British English to American. Once a tag is added to an article, there should be no good reason to delete it without some consencus on the article talk page. I note that the reverter didn't claim 'Indian English' but rather 'Inidan English' (you seem to have mis-read it). But even with what he actually wrote, the comment is no clearer because there is no such word as 'Inidan' that I can find in any English dictionary. I have restored the tag because as a supporter of British English, I believe it to be pertinent. ] (]) 15:52, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

::What the heck is "Inidan English"? Wtshymanski, would you be willing to discuss your reasoning for changing the spelling from UK-English to American-English and for deleting the tag? --] (]) 19:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

==Edit to 'Homebuilt computers and high-performance systems'==

I recently made a significant edit to the final section 'Homebuilt computers and high-performance systems.' First, I adjusted the heading from its original 'Homebuilt computers and gaming performance systems' to 'Homebuilt computers and high-peformance systems.' I believe this edit more appropriately describes the information within this section as other high-end needs for a homebuilt computer are discussed besides just for a gaming purpose. Also, I further explained the reasons why people who have high-performance needs might choose to build their own computer. The previous version of this section discussed briefly these reasons, and they made sense to me. I do not believe, however, that they were necessarily clear for anyone who might read this section and particularly not for those who do not have much or any experience building their own computer.

Also, there appears to be an error with the website I am citing. I will attempt to correct this immediately. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:19, 19 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The cite error for this section has been corrected. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:35, 19 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Real homebrew computers ==

This article completely ignores real homebrew computers: those that are built from scratch with microprocessors, glue logic, CPLDs, etc. About all the article talks about are home-assembled PCs. That's not what I would call building a computer. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:06, 30 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

A better place for that would be ] I think. ] (]) 01:27, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

== Proposed move to ] ==

The term "custom PC" is much more popular than "homebuilt computer", so I think the article should be moved there instead. The only problem is, the article is currently existing as a redirect to ] (I moved it to the magazine title). I don't have the power to move it there since it already exists and I don't know how I could go about doing it without having the article deleted first so this can be moved there. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Custom_PC&redirect=no ] (]) 01:22, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

== "Development as a Hobby" section should be removed. ==

It's written as though building PC compatible systems is how it developed. I used to read Byte magazine during the late 70s and dream about building my own computer. I'd see all of the ads for kits such as the Altair. It also opens with a factually incorrect statement that cites an opinion article as its source. Building your own PC is still very much something that is still done today. It is certainly not something that is dead as the opening statement "At one time" implies. Desktop PCs in general are on the decline because of mobile devices, but gaming is still driving and growing the home built PC market.

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Shouldn't the fact that it's cheaper to build a computer yourself be mentioned as a positive side? Or does it cost roughly the same with a mass- produced computer?

--81.230.171.21 14:21, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

It's generally not a huge saving to build from scratch. Its often cheaper to buy a ready built barebones system and add whatever upgrades you require. Its hard to build down to the quality of a prebuilt system ;)

Buying a barebones system IS building your own computer. You're just starting from a different point. It is definitely less expensive to build your own computer vs. buying a system. Plus you get exactly what you want. No more and no less.

The real saving is if you have a need for more than a single PC, second line systems built from the debris of later upgrades are very cheap. My main reason for self build theses days (author of the original article) is to build systems with hardware that I know is compatible with Linux.

So I'm loth to claim that price is a major factor.

--Shoka 22:49, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Price is a huge factor, has always been the primary reason I've built mine. Mathmo 14:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

No Merge Please

This would be a waste. Home built and custom are close to completely different. I could buy a custom off of a website, but that negates most of there benefit of building a pc. Unlike buying a custom pc, building a pc takes something called talent, something that 40-hour a week gamer doesn't likely have. Plus, you know the parts that you built your computer with, and this will benefit in the longrun by the ability to purchase upgrades that suit your needs. With a prebuild system, especially a generic one from Best Buy, you cannot hope to upgrade a cheap pc. Plus, if you homebuild it, the more it costs the more money it saves. You can buy a $5000 alienware system, or you can spend maybe $3.5 grand on a homebuilt rig with equal or better specs.

A home built computer is a type of custom build. Instead of it being built by some "geek," it is built by someone learning, or fully experienced in system building.
I don't wanna erase your article, because I feel they compliment each other and make the overall topic stronger.
You touch upon this I didn't think to add to my own article, and as you can see I have borrowed a bit from you. That in itself should say how I liked your article. --Ben414 13:43, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

new link suggestion

Would http://www.practicalpc.co.uk/computing/how/newbuild2006.htm be acceptable? it's a 6 part series on building a PC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilaskey (talkcontribs) 12:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

- This site is a full guide on how to build your computer, where to buy parts etc. Can this be accepted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.49.201.39 (talk) 13:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikibooks

I can't vouch for its contents but surely an interwiki to Wikibooks coverage of this topic would be appropriate. KTo288 (talk) 19:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

A different article?

What about computers built from general purpose electronic components, perhaps using instruction sets designed by the builder?

Examples:

What would be an appropriate article title?

- Leonard G. (talk) 03:24, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

<Years later> That would be fascinating to read about,if it could be referenced. But there's more about Purolator and bubble-wrap about this article than wire-wrap pencils or logic design. Notability might be a problem; how notable are grad-student projects or hobby projects in general? There's probably more people who build airplanes from kit plans then there are people who build CPUs from SSI chips. --Wtshymanski (talk) 15:14, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
I agree that there's a difference between "Homebuilt PC" (i.e., PC built from board-level components) and "Homebrew Computer" (computer built from chip-level components). There seem to still be multiple communities of people doing Homebrew systems (e.g., Hackaday Homebrew Computers, multiple Facebook groups for 6502/Z80/Other homebrew systems, the Ben Eater 6502 system, and so forth). If anything, the Homebrew scene seems to be heating up again. I think the correct page for Homebrew Computers should perhaps be something like "Homebrew Computer System" linked from Homebrew computer perhaps? Chris Tyler (talk) 15:44, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

English Language Variant

A recent edit by a known disruptive editor (User:Wtshymanski) changed English spellings to American. the article was originally written in British English with British English spellings. According to WP:ENGVAR the regional usage of the original article should be preserved. Also according to WP:ENGVAR a {{British English}} tag was attached to the article discussion page to identify an article written in British English. Wtshymanski has removed the tag no less than three time claming (in the edit summary) that it is a "weird tag". The last occassion claiming that the article has "... no association with Indian English" (exactly what he is smoking to reach that argument is a mystery).

It is my belief that this tag is legitimate and that Wtshymanski has no right to delete it. 109.145.22.224 (talk) 14:59, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

A quick look through the article shows that the article is written in British English, though I did find just 2 Non English spellings (corrected).
Adding a variant tag seems to be a legitimate method of identifying the English variant used in an article especially give the American habit of changing entire articles from British English to American. Once a tag is added to an article, there should be no good reason to delete it without some consencus on the article talk page. I note that the reverter didn't claim 'Indian English' but rather 'Inidan English' (you seem to have mis-read it). But even with what he actually wrote, the comment is no clearer because there is no such word as 'Inidan' that I can find in any English dictionary. I have restored the tag because as a supporter of British English, I believe it to be pertinent. 212.183.128.48 (talk) 15:52, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
What the heck is "Inidan English"? Wtshymanski, would you be willing to discuss your reasoning for changing the spelling from UK-English to American-English and for deleting the tag? --Guy Macon (talk) 19:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit to 'Homebuilt computers and high-performance systems'

I recently made a significant edit to the final section 'Homebuilt computers and high-performance systems.' First, I adjusted the heading from its original 'Homebuilt computers and gaming performance systems' to 'Homebuilt computers and high-peformance systems.' I believe this edit more appropriately describes the information within this section as other high-end needs for a homebuilt computer are discussed besides just for a gaming purpose. Also, I further explained the reasons why people who have high-performance needs might choose to build their own computer. The previous version of this section discussed briefly these reasons, and they made sense to me. I do not believe, however, that they were necessarily clear for anyone who might read this section and particularly not for those who do not have much or any experience building their own computer.

Also, there appears to be an error with the website I am citing. I will attempt to correct this immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zac134531 (talkcontribs) 03:19, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

The cite error for this section has been corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zac134531 (talkcontribs) 03:35, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Real homebrew computers

This article completely ignores real homebrew computers: those that are built from scratch with microprocessors, glue logic, CPLDs, etc. About all the article talks about are home-assembled PCs. That's not what I would call building a computer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.69.12.6 (talk) 16:06, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

A better place for that would be Homebrew computer I think. Wikinium (talk) 01:27, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Proposed move to Custom PC

The term "custom PC" is much more popular than "homebuilt computer", so I think the article should be moved there instead. The only problem is, the article is currently existing as a redirect to Custom PC (magazine) (I moved it to the magazine title). I don't have the power to move it there since it already exists and I don't know how I could go about doing it without having the article deleted first so this can be moved there. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Custom_PC&redirect=no Wikinium (talk) 01:22, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

"Development as a Hobby" section should be removed.

It's written as though building PC compatible systems is how it developed. I used to read Byte magazine during the late 70s and dream about building my own computer. I'd see all of the ads for kits such as the Altair. It also opens with a factually incorrect statement that cites an opinion article as its source. Building your own PC is still very much something that is still done today. It is certainly not something that is dead as the opening statement "At one time" implies. Desktop PCs in general are on the decline because of mobile devices, but gaming is still driving and growing the home built PC market.

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