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I know discussing Native identity is not your cup of tea, but thanks for NPOV comments in the various discussions percolating about. I find it hilarious that people that have never contributed to a single indigenous article show up and regard themselves as experts, but hopefully this wave will blow over soon. Cheers, -00:54, 6 June 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi
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:Thanks, U, I do happen to have a little background on the topic in spite of personally being about as white as a ] convention (can't even pull an Elizabeth Warren! LOL!), and generally trying to focus on the horse articles here on WP (less drama than the history and politics stuff I COULD involve myself in... ;-P ). And it has always amazed me how people who would never define themselves as having a racist bone in their body are nonetheless completely clueless on issues involving Native people here in America. Feel free to drop me a line any time you need an ear. ]<sup>]</sup> 16:46, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
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::I lobbed in a $.02 as well, having run into some of this stuff during research on Army operations in Arizona (although with different tribal groups). There tends to be a pretty strong distinction between terms used by historians and those used by the athro/socio community, and often the latter community doesn't seem to bother to look at the origins of their terms. ] (]) 16:51, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
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:::And in both cases, they are both light years more aware than the person who is 1/32 something or another and wants to claim status as "a real Indian" (**facepalm**), forgetting that the real nations today may not have the least amount of interesting in claiming them. I once had a Native American studies prof (Full-blood himself) describe such folks as "culture vultures." (Same guy said it was sometimes OK to call Native people "Indians" if we didn't know tribal identity. He explained, "we're just so glad that Columbus wasn't looking for Turkey..."). ]<sup>]</sup> 17:13, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::Quite so...although I've known a couple of folks who claimed that status for the associated Federal financial aid (college stuff). It always reminds me of Firesign Theater for some reason...the cultural vulture idea anyhow. "No way, man. I just want to cut the soles out of my shoes, live in a tree, and learn to play the flute!" ] (]) 20:48, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::: (**Snorts coffee from nose**). Problem is, I think they need federal recognition to claim the college money too, but I suppose FAFSA doesn't look all that hard at the apps and maybe they've tightened it up since we were college students. If you like Firesign, you may also enjoy the ] (speaking of an article needing some work) ]<sup>]</sup> 21:26, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::: I took one last stab with that twit, and I'm out. One of the few things that will really annoy me are people who mindlessly fling terms like "Science" and "Google Scholar search numbers" around without having the faintest demonstrated clue about either concept. ] (]) 13:46, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, basically you get to the point where you are just feeding trolls. Or twits. It's why I posted handy links on my user page to ] and ] ]<sup>]</sup> 16:01, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
And thanks for the reality check about feeding the trolls. I'll stop :) BTW I know two people who are only 1/256th blood quantum but are still enrolled and very active in their respective tribes. I don't care how thin someone's blood is — if they are active in their communities, make positive contributions, and are knowledgeable about their traditions, they are cool in my book. Cheerio, -] (]) 20:23, 8 June 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi
:Quite. The ones who get my ire up are the ones who latch onto a "hip" identity for no other reason than some sort of perceived cultural cachet. It's contributions, knowledge, and a genuine desire to belong and make a difference that really matter. ] (]) 20:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
::Pretty much. If the nation claims them, fine with me. I remember a joke about this at a pow-wow I attended a few years back (pow-wow announcers are really a special type of comic; native humor at its finest) who was filling time with a tale about how old so and so was sure he was a real Indian because he was 1/3 blood quantum! ]<sup>]</sup> 17:59, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::What do you get if you put 64 Chickasaws in a room together? A fullblood! -] (]) 22:42, 10 June 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi
:::::I will say that some nations have more restrictive rules for blood quanta than others. Now if you really want to have a field day, check out (please, read that whole first page, but not while drinking, lest it come out your nose), and surrounding him. He's a Oh! And ! ]<sup>]</sup> 22:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC)


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Your edit removed the word "retired" and in your edit summary wrote "Tone down the POV and correct error". I think you would agree that good and helpful ] is to know facts before one 1) removes a factual and proper edit and 2) then declares for all to read that that editor doesn't know what they are talking about and inserts non-truths into articles. Thank you. ] (]) 00:13, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
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Harry, the word "retired" wasn't needed in the lead (eventually ALL good racehorses are retired), and there was some material in there someone stuck in (sourced to a newspaper that apparently had the same error) about how no other horse had ever been scratched which wasn't accurate, there were also refs in there to "historic" and other flowery language that wasn't needed. So chill. ]<sup>]</sup> 17:48, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
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The quote you removed was certainly in the source when I cited it, but it's definitely not there now. That's rolling news for you! I'm staying clear of the article for now. I got dragged into a pointless edit war and almost got myself blocked. That's why I'm posting here rather than the article talk page. ] 20:43, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
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:My sympathies. Hang in there! ]<sup>]</sup> 20:49, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
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OK, I've finally gotten around to doing some initial work on ]... I've tagged everything that still needs references - if it doesn't have a cn tag, just assume that the next reference covers everything preceding it. Note that I'm only about halfway through the sources that I'm eventually going to check, so I'll have more, but it's late, I'm tired, and I probably won't get back to it until at least tomorrow night. In the meantime, feel free to add, move, tweak, whatever - maybe you can find sources for the Comanche horse thing, which was the only thing that I actually looked for sources on and couldn't find any. The rest of the fact tags I just didn't get to. Anyway, more tomorrow, hopefully. ] (]) 02:29, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
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:And, just !!!! I love it when we have to decide which nice shot ''not'' to put in the article, rather than which shot is just decent enough to go in. ] (]) 02:36, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
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::Ah...Comanche. There's no reputable documentation that I'm aware of indicating that Comanche has Morgan blood. Keogh purchased him while on a remount detail, so he was part of a pool of horses being inspected for the Seventh Cavalry in the Oklahoma/Indian Territory region. I'm surprised someone hasn't done DNA testing on the poor guy's hide, since it's preserved at the University of Kansas (as I recall). What's known is coloration (described in older stuff as "claybank"), that he was 15 hands high, and weighed about 950 pounds (don't have the book in front of me, so I'm not sure that's the exact weight, but the height is correct). I used to work for a group in Kansas dealing with cavalry history and had to fend off constant claims that the Morgan was the backbone of not only the Remount Service but all historic cavalry regiments. The interesting part is that the Remount Service did evaluate Morgans (along with other breeds), but determined that the Morgan would be better suited for field artillery service. ] (]) 13:53, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
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:::I need to do an article here on W.R. Brown one of these days. He spent much of his life in the early 1900s doing tests to "prove" that Arabians would be better cavalry horses than Morgans due to their endurance. Of course, the cavalry was becoming a thing of the past at the time... A "claybank" was usually a word for ], usually a red dun -- Comanche looks pretty dark, (I always thought he looked bay in those old photos) so more likely a bay dun or a grullo. As for DNA, that's an interesting thing when you are trying to determine breed stuff; MANY interesting and unexpected things can pop up!]<sup>]</sup> 17:54, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
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::::When the Quartermaster Corps and Remount Service did their tests, Arabians did well in every area but carrying capacity (a fairly important consideration for a cavalry mount). Thoroughbreds ended up dominating the stallion pool by a very wide margin. Of course, none of that is especially relevant to the period when Comanche would have been purchased. Back then it was mostly "American" or "California" horses, at least in Army-speak. ] (]) 18:09, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::Yup, size and weight correlates directly to carrying capacity; Arabs do well for their size, but 25-30% is a pretty absolute barrier, less of a problem when people and equipment was lighter. Comanche's body type shows strong ] influence. Compare to the ] or the ]. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:12, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::Not sure if you'd seen these or not. Some nice images of the restored Comanche. http://naturalhistory.ku.edu/galleries/comanche-restoration-project. ] (]) 19:25, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::No, hadn't. Interesting. Stuffed horses always look a little creepy to me, but yep, he's a "bay dun". Wonder if they have his conformation preserved properly, if so, he's out behind, goose-rumped and ewe-necked. Looked better in the photos. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:31, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::I think they came reasonably close, especially when using picture for comparison. And, of course the Comanche ] also claims Morgan blood. ] (]) 20:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Any clue who started the thing that Comanche was part Morgan? I'm beginning to think that we need to address it in the article, either way, as it's such a prevalent thing. ]<sup>]</sup> 20:28, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm guessing the Morgan folks came up with it more or less on their own. I don't recall seeing it prior to 1980 or so, but that's just me going off memory. Most older sources I've seen (Leslie Reedstrom's great book on the 7th springs to mind) make no claims as to his breed. Most sources outside of the Morgan community refer to him as "uncertain" or "mixed" breed. claims 3/4 "American" and 1/4 "Spanish" blood, but has no sources. Given the location of Comanche's purchase, I'd be more inclined to believe that mix (which probably comes out to mustang, really). The Smithsonian just says "mustang lineage." ] (]) 20:39, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Can you take your sources and come up with some sort of blurb to pop onto the talk page of the Morgan article stating something to the effect of "While Morgan afiionados claim ] had Morgan ancestry, there is no verifiable evidence of this in US Cavalry records on the horse." ? ]<sup>]</sup> 20:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
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I'm not kidding you. Also American Saddlebred, Standardbred, Percheron, and I've caught wiffs of Welsh... I'd have to get back digging in my files, but just about anything that could be in there is in there.. a lot of it "hidden" - they'd register a horse with a breeding like "Amy b.m. foaled 1943. Sire: Blackie by Jubilee King Dam: mare by colt by Raseyn. They'd just ... leave off the fact that they knew that Jubilee King was a Morgan and that Raseyn was an Arabian (grins). Especially prevelant in the registrations past about 10,000 or so... I once read each AQHA stud book entry through 60,000 looking for those sorts of oddities. Somewhere I have the list of "oddities" I made from that reading... as another aside, did you know that up until the 1960s or so, there were still Thoroughbreds that could trace their pedigrees to Peter McCue's breeding career as a Thoroughbred stallion? ] - ] 21:30, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
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:Love it! "Kitchen sink" approach. Says much about the opposite of the "purebred since Adam and Eve" angle (see my new sandbox, above). And doesn't the UK Jockey Club have "issue" with the possible non-TBs in the American Jockey Club books? ]<sup>]</sup> 21:48, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
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:: By this point, the non-TBs are so far back that it's pretty much a moot point. So much English blood has flooded in that many of the old American TB lines are very thin on the ground. Lexington's male line died out in the first half of the 20th century sometime... and most American TBs don't have that much of the "suspect" blood anymore. It's so far back that the ''GSB'' has quit whining ... ] - ] 21:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
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::: And it's an ongoing question if any of the "purity" stuff matters. Were there a couple TBs in South American Arabian lines? Isn't the Shagya actually better documented and more "purebred" by percentage than the American Arab? AND (my favorite) Ever hear the rumor that a few ] wound up in Egyptian Arab bloodlines following world war I or II (heard both rumors)? ]<sup>]</sup> 22:02, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
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:::: Then we have the great "] was sired by an Arabian" rumor or my favorite ... "] was a quarter Saddlebred" ... there are ALWAYS rumors... usually about whoever's "popular" at the time... ] - ] 22:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
:::::This reminds me of a book I once read (I think it was ), by someone who researched their family tree to the year dot ... only to discover that one of their ancestors was allegedly a sea (or lake?) monster which had seduced some female or other. Hmmmm. One has to wonder what the ''actual'' story was behind that one! ] (]) 22:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::Too many beers? :-D ]<sup>]</sup> 22:13, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
{{od}} ... or an ancestress who fell foul of the "You can't get pregnant standing up" myth ;P ] (]) 22:16, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


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Those are awesome photos!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations! '''YAY!!!!''' Whoo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear, I was intending to fly back home to Great Falls in August and take some dang photos myself. But you got there first. Terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!! - ] (]) 22:43, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
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:Not bad for the cell phone camera, eh? Was sort of a spontaneous decision while on the road out of the electric city. Remembered we needed them. ;-) ]<sup>]</sup> 22:54, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
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Remount Service is now live. Still needs some work, but it might help you with red links. ] (]) 15:19, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
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Actually, there is no genetic evidence for the Konik being drastically genetically different from other horse breeds, at least not in recent genetic studies. For example, have a look at Jansen 2002, in which the konik clusters with mongolian horses (domestic ones) and thoroughbreds.
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That the last Tarpans, whatever the Tarpan was, were incorporated into the livestock of the polish farmers, that's a fact. Vetulani started with domestic horses from that region because there is the high probability that they contained Tarpan blood. He started selective breeding with them, and the result is what is now the breed that is called Konik. "Konik" was used for other small land horses in Poland as well, but we are talking about the Vetulani breed here. That's exactly what the sources say and it is the common conception. Maybe that should be clarified in the text. -- ] (]) 17:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
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:The point is, the "Tarpan" is extinct. The people doing the "breeding back" thing and calling them "Tarpans" are not making an accurate statement. And if the Konik is not drastically different from other horse breeds in its DNA, than that suggests it doesn't have any Tarpan blood to speak of. The last Tarpans may have been turned loose with domestic horse herds, I have no beef with that claim if sourced, similarly, there are some who claim modern humans might have a trace of Neandrathal ancestry too; who knows? I'm OK with anyone who wants to improve the Konik article if you want to, basically my axe to grind is the false claims that the "Tarpan" has been recreated. The horse breed articles, in general, are often plagued with romantic myths that breed X or Y or Z is the true "pure" real horse, blah, blah, blah. :-P ]<sup>]</sup> 17:29, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
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I am really surprised that we actually seem to perfectly agree, since your edits in the article seem to contradict what you just stated here. The previous conception of the article inferred that the Koniks are descendants of genuine wild horses, what is definitely wrong. If they go back to wild horses (it isn't even known if the historical animal called "tarpan" was wild or just feral), they were largely mixed with domestic horses and underwent human artificial selection. Therefore, the konik is a domestic horse breed, and that's exactly what I tried to infer with my changes. I also strongly dislike the romantic nonsense that breed x, y or z is a "living relict" or breeding back jokes like heck cattle. The Tarpan is extinct, that's a fact. There seem to be no pre domestic horses of european origin left in europe. Therefore, I try to replace these myths with scientific information on each occasion on Misplaced Pages. -- ] (]) 17:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
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:I was kind of seeing the "Koniks are real Tarpans" thing in the way your edits were originally phrased. I also put a merge tag on ] to join up with ]. It appears that ''equus ferus ferus'' -- the true Tarpan, a distinct subspecies -- was indeed a "wild" horse in the sense of never able to be domesticated. Maybe see what we have at ], ] and ] all of which were worked on quite a bit to get things up to date, even if they could still use a bit of polish. The confusion occurs when people call primitive-looking horses with ] or ] "tarpans" even though they are not. (And why they'd want to claim this when disposition matters a lot in a domestic horse is beyond me; zebras and Przewalskis can be MEAN little boogers!) There is also a big political thing for primitive claims with the ] and the ] over whether they are native or introduced species on their respective continents, and thus to be preserved or eradicated as vermin. The Mustang article in particular gets hit a lot because there is a faction who wants to believe that modern Mustangs directly descend from the primitive North American horse when they clearly do not. (Though I would grant that ''equus'' was native to the Americas as far as ecological impact, just not the modern subspecies) ]<sup>]</sup> 17:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
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I perfectly agree with you. If you saw the "Koniks are real Tarpans" thing in my edits, it was clearly a misunderstanding. I think that happened because I wanted to show that the konik is no real tarpan in a sense that if it descended from the alleged last Tarpans, they have been mixed with domestic horses; while you wanted to show that if the domestic horses the konik was bred from contained Tarpan blood, there should be genetic evidence for it otherwise it is a myth or theory. Therefore, you see, we actually perfectly agreed but misunderstood each others. Anyway, good to see that we agree! I'll try to edit the article with clear phrasing and leaving no room for any myths. The mustang thing is weird indeed. Somehow, each robust breed has its myth spread by their fanciers, f.e. look at the whole heck cattle nonsense. Regards, -- ] (]) 18:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
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Precious translates to the PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Ten years ago! - Did you know that few users still have that on their current talk, only the brave ;) - I miss PumpkinSky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

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Request for opinion on recent edits to Bozeman

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