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			= December 11 =
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			== Quote marks will not appear until I type a second one ==
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			Hello all. I have a seemingly one-off, weird and annoying issue. I am using an HP laptop computer:
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			:OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home
			:System Model HP Spectre x360 Convertible
			:Version 10.0.19045
			:Build 19045
			Every time I type a quote mark on this computer (or an apostrophe using the same keyboard key without shifting) nothing happens. It is only when I invoke the character key a ''second time'' (in a row, without moving the cursor) that anything happens, which is that, only then, TWO quote marks appear. I then I have to delete one of them. Same thing for apostrophes, though I use quotes far more frequently. This happens anywhere I attempt to type the character, including when I placed this one " right now. Please note that the key is not gummed up or anything, it always works to place the two after I type the character the second time. Any ideas?
			--] (]) 17:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
			:When did this start happening? Has it always been like this? If not, what changed? Be honest. ] (]) 20:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
			::My 13-year old Mac Mini has stopped working. (I have already purchased a new computer, arriving in about two weeks.) I thus borrowed this HP from my sister a week ago, whereupon I discovered this issue. I thus have no idea of the timeline of the problem.--] (]) 21:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
			: What happens if you type a single <TT>'</tt> or <TT>"</tt>, followed by some other character, like a letter?
			: It sounds like you're in some strange mode which is attempting to interpret various multi-keystroke sequences. Those can be perfectly ordinary — for example, as you may know, on a Mac you can type Option-U to get a bare umlaut, which when you then type a letter like A or U combines with it to form Ä or Ü. But obviously these " and ' sequences you're encountering are bizarre and unwanted! (I've never heard of combining sequences starting with " or ', either.)
			: My guess is that these sequences are defined for the convenience of typists in some language other than English. I would go to the relevant control panel — perhaps "Keyboard", although under Windows I'm not sure — and make sure you've got English specified as your language, with no funny extra options specified. —] (]) 22:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
			::: Per the below, it sounds like you might well see different behavior depending on whether you type the " or ' followed by a vowel like A or U, versus a consonant like B or S. —] (]) 22:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Yes you're right. When you're on the international keyboard (or other non-English one) if you type a quote and then a vowel you get an umlaut. With this keyboard layout the first time you press a quote key it will not type it, and you have to press it twice to type a quote.
			::On Windows 10, on the bottom right, to the left of the date and time, there is an area where you can click to change the keyboard layout. For the international keyboard it is "ENG INTL". If you click it you can change to the normal keyboard, "ENG" or "ENG US" or whatever you prefer. ―<span style="font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif;">]</span> ] 22:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
			::See ]. I suppose your system is configured to see ' and " as dead keys, producing no direct output, but combining with the next character you type to create a letter with ] or ]. I haven't used Windows since XP days, but I suppose that if the following character doesn't accept those diacritics, the ' or " is inserted after all. Try switching to a different keyboard layout. ] (]) 10:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

			: Have you tried a {{key\|"\|space}} sequence? I've seen such behavior of a keyboard in Windows when working in a language with diacritic letters. It simulates old typewriter - hit a diacritic symbol first, which gets printed with no carriage move, then hit a letter, which gets printed at the same place and then a carriage advances to a next position. Following this mode you hit a diacritic + space sequence to get a diacritic symbol alone. --] (]) 15:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
	= August 8 =

			::Well, 68.129.153.226, we're all agog to know whether any of our suggestions have worked. Be honest. ] (]) 17:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Guitar Controller USB Utility ==
			:I am on Windows 10 on Dell laptop. I have experienced this behavior and I suspect it started after some OS update.
			:But note that, when you wish to include anything in double/single quote, you must continue to type as usual. The double/single quote becomes visible only after you type '''any''' following character (not just single/double quote).
			:You may be already aware of it, but I thought if you don't know, it will be less frustrating experience once you know how it works. ] (]) 06:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

			= December 13 =
	I recently purchased a used copy of ''Rock Band 2'' for the Wii as well as the matching guitar controller (I know it's the correct one because of the diagram in the instructions). However, not included was the wireless USB "dongle", the function of which the instruction manual was unclear but the purpose seems essential. What does this thing do, how does it work, and where could I find one sold individually, even used? ] (]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added 14:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== Where can I find a thesis of recently released Gemini 2.0? ==
	: You should be able to insert a Wiimote into the guitar. It has a Wiimote sized hole in it and a connector like on the nunchuck attachment. ] (]) 19:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
	: Here is a picture of what the standard controller should look like - you can see the wiimote installed in it. If yours looks different, you may have a third-party one or one made for a different system. ] ] (]) 19:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
	::Sorry to post again, but I just realized I was describing the Guitar Hero hardware. It does look like Rock Band uses a dongle, probably because the controllers don't work like normal Wii controllers. You'll need it for the guitar controller to be able to talk to the Wii. Used game stores may have them available, but they probably bundle them with the guitars. eBay may be your best bet. ] (]) 19:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
	:I would guess that the dongle has the software license. This makes it harder to make illegal copies. ] (]) 19:39, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

			For , I find its ].
	:The small box that plugs into the USB port appears to just be the wireless receiver. It appears Rock Band uses the same* guitar controller and USB wireless receiver for multiple systems, instead of having to create a specific Wii version that connects to a Wii Remote or uses the Wii Remote's wireless protocol. (The instructions seem to show the same "USB dongle" for the Wii and PlayStation 2/3, and no USB dongle for the Xbox 360.) --] (]) 03:18, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
	::<nowiki>*</nowiki> <small>Well, maybe not exactly the same. The official page says "Instrument controllers and wireless microphones are specially designed for each game console and are not interchangeable between platforms (Xbox 360, Wii, etc.)". But perhaps they re-used some of the wireless equipment instead of designing a Wii-specific version.</small>--] (]) 04:22, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

			What about recently released ? ] (]) 21:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Up and down arrows at bottom of scroll bar in Word ==

			:?  --] 21:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
	I've just had my mac upgraded to Mountain Lion and along with that, my Word was somehow ''downgraded'' to Word for mac 2008, version 12.1.0, from 12.1.1. I don't know if it's a function of to OS install or the word downgrade, but the scroll bar on the side no longer has the regular up and down arrows that you can click on to move a page up and down in a Word document. Instead, it has double up and down arrows at the bottom of the scroll bar, and when you click on those, it jumps you to the next page of your document, rather than moving the page down smoothly to where you want it. I can, of course, grab the side bar and move the page up and down, but I am used to and have relied on the up and down arrows for years. Any help?--] (]) 14:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
			::OK That's Gemini 2.0 release information. ] (]) 16:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

			= December 15 =
	:No clue, but I will just chime in that Word on new Mac OSes has gotten progressively buggy and weird. I had to stop using it altogether (I switched to Pages, which works well enough for me and can export to Word docs). The bug you are describing sounds like an incompatibility with Mountain Lion's GUI controls, but I don't really know. As for the "downgrade", did you already have 2008 installed on your system? It could just be an incompatibility or a change of defaults with 2011 or whatever your "upgraded" version is. --] (]) 16:32, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

			==Questions About New Laptop Computer==
	== Internet reply ==
			My old laptop computer developed problems with the power, so that it wouldn't start when connected to regular line current. It would start when connected to high-amperage current in an electronics store, but that wasn't useful, and it was time to replace it after five years. I now have some questions about problems with a new laptop computer. The new laptop computer is an HP running Windows 11. ] (]) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

			===Cursor Jumping Randomly===
			Sometimes when I am typing in a Word document or editing Misplaced Pages in a source window, I discover that the cursor isn't where I think it should be. The cursor has jumped to somewhere else on the screen, apparently randomly. I have to do a Ctrl-Z to undo what I typed in the wrong place, and then move the cursor back to where I want it. If this is caused by line noise, how do I minimize the impact? How likely is that a new mouse would resolve the problem? Are there any settings that I should diddle with?
			] (]) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

			:First thing I would do is give the mouse and mousepad a good clean and disconnect and reconnect it. ]\|] 09:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
	So, I know that servers listen to an specific port and reply to any queries directed to them, but the users act like servers too? Do they listen for the reply on a specific port? How do servers know where to reply? (If we are on a NAT network or something like that, how does the router know which computer has to receive a reply?) ] (]) 17:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
			:Possibly due to your hand brushing the trackpad while typing. If you have a mouse, you could experiment with disabling the trackpad: . Or even just try turning it off while typing. This erratic ] jumping used to happen to me a lot, too, when my laptop was new, until I found the key to disable the trackpad.
			:The term ''caret'' or ''insertion point'' is useful to exclude the mouse cursor (the pointer) from searches. ] ] 12:54, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Thank you, ]. I disabled the touchpad. For users who always use a mouse, the touchpad is a complication. ] (]) 19:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::I now have a possibly useless question. The documentation referred to an option that disables the touchpad when there is a mouse, but the only option that I found in the settings is the option that always disables the touchpad. I would like to specify that the touchpad is disabled when there is a mouse, and enable it if there is no mouse. This makes very little difference because I will always use a mouse. Is it possible that that option isn't available on my computer? This isn't important. ] (]) 02:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

			===Network File Sharing===
	:The ] and ] both require their packets to include return port information in the header, so that the receiver knows which port the sender is listening on. TCP and UDP packets are wrapped up as ] packets (i.e., a TCP or UDP packet is formed then inserted into an IP header to form an IP packet), and the IP header includes the return IP address. ]<sub>]</sub> 18:58, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
			With the old laptop, I had set up network file sharing, so that the laptop computer could view and edit files in shared folders on my desktop computer, a Dell, also running Windows 11, if they were both within range of my wireless router (and the desktop computer always is). The desktop computer could also access files in shared folders on the laptop, if the laptop was I have tried to set up network file sharing with the new laptop computer. I tried calling the technical support offered by the electronics chain that I bought the computers from, and I made seven calls to them, none of which worked, and I have concluded that their technical support people don't know what they are doing, and, worse, don't know the limits of their knowledge. Does anyone have advice on a book that will tell me how to set up network file sharing with Windows 11, that has neither too little nor too much information for a retired database engineer?
			] (]) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

			:@] Did you try ? <span style="font-family:monospace; font-weight: bold"> <span style="color:ForestGreen;font-size:15px"> ]</span> (<span style="color:#324c80">she/they</span> {{pipe}} ]) </span> 20:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	:As to NAT, the clue is in the name: the gateway translates network addresses. Say you're behind a NAT gateway with the IP address 80.4.4.4, but your computer believes its IP address is 192.168.0.17. When you make a connection to a server at, say, 91.198.174.225, the gateway transparently turns your attempted connection between 192.168.0.17 and 91.198.174.225 into a connection between 80.4.4.4 and 91.198.174.225. The server at 91.198.174.225 doesn't know about 192.168.0.17; it believes it's talking to 80.4.4.4. Your NAT gateway is clever enough to remember the combination of source port, target address, and target port, and to use this as a key to know where to send the packets back to. Does that make sense? ] (]) 19:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
			::] - Thank you. That describes the basics, and describes what I had done successfully with the previous laptop computer. I need either a much greater level of detail, or a troubleshooting guide, or something like that. That was helpful in that it doesn't point out anything that I am doing wrong. ] (]) 02:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Asking for clarification: you did all the steps in the section "How do I troubleshoot sharing files and folders" on that page, on the new laptop? After doing those steps, you still don't "see" your desktop in File Explorer on laptop? (Restart the laptop just in case.) ] (]) 04:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

			= December 19 =
	::Oh, something else I should have mentioned: you are probably thinking of ] connections here. Although they consist ''in fact'' of separate datagrams, they are designed to provide the illusion of a connection (the sort of thing you get when you make a phone call). Every TCP connection is ''from'' a particular IP address and port ''to'' a particular IP address and port; with web traffic, the "from" port is generally random and the "to" port is generally 80 (or 443 for encrypted connections). ] (]) 19:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

			==Scanning all available streams==
	== Space in file names ==

			Hello there. I'm have a question: How to scan all available online streams from a specified server and port given? For example, I've found a Wowza Streaming Engine server at 115.79.46.164 and port 1935. I want to know which website or software can help me to find all active streams on this server. Thanks for reading. ] (]) 14:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	What was the problem with spaces in file names a while ago? Why weren't they allowed? ] (]) 18:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

			: ] -- ]'''··–·'''] 17:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
	: See the "allowable characters in directory entries" column in ]. All the main desktop/server filesystems listed there allows spaces; even FAT added support for spaces in ], which NT and ] supported by 1995. All the restrictions there, old and new, are just "by definition" - that's what the specifiers chose for their own convenience. -- ]'''ჷ'''] 18:42, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

			== .kp domains ==
	::But, weren't they using the spaces for something else? Hence disallowing them for file names? ] (]) 18:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	~~:::~~ In ~~what~~ ~~environment~~? -- ]~~'''ჷ'''~~] 18:55, 8 ~~August~~ ~~2012~~ (UTC)		How many .kp domains are there? ] (]) 13:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Did you see ]? ] (]) 19:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			:https://www.northkoreatech.org/the-north-korean-website-list/ is a bit outdated but has more background info. ] (]) 19:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
			::It's ok, bro. I can still view the outdated ones with the Wayback Machine at the Internet Archive. Thanks, ] (]) 16:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

	::::Windows. I remember that it was part of their marketing that their files "now" could have longer file names with spaces, if I remember correctly. ] (]) 19:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	:::::Most environments which discourage spaces do so because it causes problems with naming files on the commandline. Consider the command "del alpha beta": should it delete two files, "alpha" and "beta", or a single file named "alpha beta"? ] (]) 19:33, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

			= December 24 =
	::::: {{ec}} If you mean Windows NT and its successors (2000, XP, Vista, 7 and Server equivalents) they've always supported long filenames, including spaces. If you mean the non-NT "flavour" of Windows (Windows 1.0 - 3.11 and 95, 98 and ME), then they gained ] capability in ]
	::::: In terms of using spaces for "other" things, many (almost all) ]s including ] use spaces to separate command from argument, and separate one argument from the next. So using spaces in a filename often means you have to put quotes around it, or an ] in front of each space. But this is not a limitation of the ] itself. Cheers, ] ]/] 19:43, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
	:::Yes, they were (and still are) using spaces as ]s on the command line. As ]s became more sophisticated, spaces as separators were distinguished from spaces as part of a name by using ]s or quotation marks. ]<sub>]</sub> 20:10, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	== ~~Drivers~~ in ~~linux~~ ==		== Is this bug in the google search ? ==

	~~How~~ ~~high~~ ~~are~~ the ~~chances~~ of ~~not~~ ~~finding~~ ~~linux~~ ~~drivers~~ ~~for some device~~, ~~which~~ ~~can~~ be ~~quite~~ ~~old~~ or ~~quite~~ ~~new?~~ ] (]) 18:36, 8 ~~August~~ ~~2012~~ (UTC)		I searched for the keywords: "Israel Folau" "Margaret Court" "David Tyree", then Google shows me . Is this bug?] (]) 22:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
			:If I do the same search, this question shows up (twice, due to how the refdesk is organized) plus a link to Stuff. So, it doesn't seem to be a bug. I tried the same format search with much more famous people and got hundreds of links. ] (]) 13:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

	:It just depends on many things. ] (]) 18:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

			= December 26 =
	::Many things beyond quite old/new or quite unknown? ] (]) 18:50, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	:::Toasters, refrigerators, automobiles, battleships -- all of these are devices that lack linux drivers. ] (]) 19:13, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	::::Well if we're on ''that'' level of intellectual integrity, I believe ] has a fridge that runs on Linux. Not that it's in mass production or anything, but I imagine at some level of design they're using a kernel module to interface it. If memory serves they take it to tradeshows to show off the LCD TV built into the door that has Digital TV connectivity. ]<sub>]</sub> 19:34, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	::::You are not right on this one Looie. Something interesting is definitely developing on the embedded systems front. Linux with its support for a wide range of hardware is increasingly showing up (or hiding) in places that may surprise you. A growing number of electronic devices used in cars, at home, in the field and many other places are being developed and deployed, with Linux being the operating system. ] (]) 19:36, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	::::: And when it comes to automobiles, I'm pretty sure there is ] software for linux
	::::: OP, when you get a chance to add more specifics in terms of what types of devices/etc, it'd also be useful to know whether by "linux drivers" you include ] - which regardless of the philosophical arguments, typically are only available for versions of linux which run on intel-compatible processors. Cheers, ] ]/] 19:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	:Let's try a layman's answer. The chance of not finding a driver for any given device such as a video card (especially) or sound card is higher on Linux than Windows. Manufacturers usually concentrate on making things work under Windows first, then look at Linux (if they bother at all). However, there are a number of third-party drivers available - http://www.linux-drivers.org/ is a good place to look - and there's normally a good chance that you can find a way to make a particular device work in some way with whichever Linux flavour you like. Sometimes you don't get all the bells and whistles that come with the Windows version, but the basic functions should be ok. - ] (]) 20:17, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	::Graphics cards are a poor example, as they are one of the most common examples of proprietary drivers being released for linux. You may not get updates as quickly as Windows users, though. It seems as though nVidia even has open source Unix drivers. ]<sub>]</sub> 20:26, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	::Yes and no. You are more likely to find a modern Linux driver for an old piece of hardware than you are to find a modern Windows driver for that piece of hardware, because once Linux gets a driver for something, it tends to keep it, where Windows drivers often aren't updated for newer versions of Windows. You are less likely to find a modern Linux driver for a modern piece of hardware than you are to find a Windows driver for it, because almost every time someone develops a piece of hardware, they also develop a driver that lets it be used with the then-current version of Windows. --] (]) 23:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	How high are the chances of ''not'' finding a driver for Linux? Lower than with any other OS. You should still check online to see if what you're interested in obtaining is in fact supported. ¦ ] (]) 16:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	== TV "brightness" ==

	One problem I often have on my current TV is that I can't make out any detail in dark scenes, particularly those recorded digitally. I turned the brightness and contrast up to max, turned off all the room lights, and put blackout curtains on all the windows, but it's still not good. When buying a new TV, what stats will tell me if it will show detail on dark scenes ? It's not just brightness, as that would just make an almost uniformly black scene look almost uniformly white. Contrast ratio is closer, but I get the impression that is designed to replicate the contrast in the original, while I need to expand the contrast well beyond the original. Also, would I do better if I used a computer monitor (either with or without a computer) ? ] (]) 19:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	:Don't know the answer to part 1 of the question... But as for using a computer & monitor - this would probably give you the ability to make ] adjustments which may help. Maybe try current TV with a PC before spending any money though :-) Cheers, ] ]/] 20:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	:Turning the contrast up is exactly the wrong thing to do -- it increases contrast for mid-tones at the cost of reducing it for the extremes. Also many TVs nowadays have various modes available that handle brightness ranges differently -- you might investigate your model. ] (]) 02:24, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
	::The way it's supposed to work is that brightness adjusts the black level and contrast is a multiplier with black held fixed. In other words, the displayed intensity is (raw intensity × contrast) + brightness. So increasing the contrast is what StuRat wants to do. However I don't know how many TV makers actually use the terms that way. I've seen a lot of devices on which the "brightness" setting is actually gamma, and the contrast adjustment holds grey fixed instead of black. In that case you might try reducing the contrast (the default setting is likely too high) and increasing the brightness-that's-really-gamma. -- ] (]) 19:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	Maybe it would help if describe what I would want it to do. Let's say just 3 dark colors appear on the screen, with RGB colors listed on a 0-255 scale:

	AS BROADCAST AS I WANT TO SEE IT
	------------ -------------------
	(0,0,0) (0,0,0)
	(1,2,4) (31,63,127)
	(2,4,8) (63,127,255)

	So, is this only possible using a gamma adjustment ? And does this mean I need to use a computer to watch TV ? ] (]) 05:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	:Listings of features like that are hard to come by and often are filled with marketing speak that doesn't really explain what it does in detail. Your best bet is probably to find a store that will let you play around with settings on the display TVs to see if they have settings that help. If I recall, you're from the Detroit area, so you probably have an ABC Warehouse with a Paul's TV nearby. I think their salesmen get commission, which means they might be motivated to help you try it out. Best Buy or Meijer staff may let you change things as long as you're changing them back, but it probably depends on the person working there. ] (]) 14:38, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	:Are you sure that the detail you want to see is actually there? Common video compressors tend to do a bad job on dark scenes because they tolerate a certain amount of local error in the brightness independent of the overall dynamic range of the scene. -- ] (]) 19:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)<br />
	:Contrast control on a CRT will increase luminance proportional to intensity. Brightness will add luminance to the whole signal. In LCD's, brightness will more likely increase the backlight intensity, which has about the same effect as the contrast control on a CRT.
	:For a HDTV, PCWorld gives this advice:

	::''"Brightness actually controls the black level of the TV; so when adjusting it, look for detail in blacks and shadows. To alter the setting, pause the movie during a dimly lit scene that includes background scenery or shadowy areas. Turn the setting up or down until you can distinguish shadowy details without washing out the foreground. The contrast control is sometimes called the white setting. Find a sky scene or one with many white objects in it, and adjust the control until the lighter objects' edges don't blur into their surroundings but you can still make out the details and textures in the white."'' http://www.pcworld.com/article/132928/finetune_your_highdefinition_tvs_settings.html
	:But a dark scene will contain less detail anyway, not only because you've got a limited range of possible values like 0,0,0 to 9,9,9 (1000 values) but also because dark scenes often contain little or no useful color info, so instead of 1000 different shades you may only have 10 shades of grey. Stretching this range (with level adjust in some video editing program) usually gives poor results because much of the detail you amplify is actually noise, and as mentioned by BenRG details may already be lost due to digital compression. You may want to try video editing first to see if you really are missing much in those dark scenes before you go look for a new tv. I suspect dark scenes are also a cheap alternative to detailed film set design; ever seen a chemistry lab as dark as what those CSIs are working in?... ] (]) 21:04, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	== Changing processor name ==

	claims to know how to change processor name, what are the possible consecuences? also, does it change processor name or what the operative system thinks?`] (]) 23:44, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

	: You're not changing the processor name - you're just changing a text string in Windows displays when you ask it what the processor is. Doing this is probably harmless, but is entirely pointless. ] (]) 00:04, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	:: But it may feel faster, as claimed in --] (]) 05:34, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	= August 9 =

	== PHP processing time per function ==

	Is there a way to break down a PHP process and have that process output what amount of time it is spending in what function? ] (]) (]) 00:48, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	Let me rephrase; is there a tool that will help me do it without the brute force method of <code>$a = time(); echo time()-$a;</code> ] (]) (]) 00:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	: That's a ]. You can use APD to profile (http://uk3.php.net/apd) and then to process that to produce a report. -- ]'''ჷ'''] 00:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	: Or some people use -- ]'''ჷ'''] 00:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	::Thank you! Xdebug has worked brilliantly. ] (]) (]) 01:46, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	== Why does mass-]ing an ] produce the (near-)worst of humanity? ==

	When I'm on an IRC channel and ask for help, no one responds. After I ask, "Is ANYONE there?," no one responds. Yet there are over 50 users in the channel.

	So in order to ''guarantee'' responses, I highlight the whole userlist (on ]) or type "/names #channel" (on other clients) and press Ctrl+C to copy all usernames.

	Then I paste all usernames, and hit "Enter" to submit.

	I get responses fairly quickly, but they're usually not friendly. Some say, "I hope you go die in a fire." Others say remarks that aren't worth repeating here.

	What is it about mass-pinging that causes such incredible ill-will from fellow chatters? (Even though I wish somebody responded ''before'' the ping in the first place.) What ''real-world action(s)'' would <u>best equate to</u> mass-pinging an IRC channel anyway?

	And is there an ill-will-free method to procure a timely response?

	Lastly, are ill responses to mass-pings just a hallmark of the ] IRC network? What other IRC networks will not mind them as much? Which would?

	--] (]) 07:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	The mantra is generally "just ask, don't ask to ask". In other words, rather than asking for somebody to put their hand up without knowing what they're volunteering for, you will generally get a better response by simply coming straight out and asking your question. Assuming these are technical channels, remember that IRC channels are often populated by people with a range of skills and specialities, only a small handful of whom may know the answer to your question and have time to do so; by asking your question up-front without waiting for somebody to volunteer, you're being polite by allowing the people whose skills don't relate to your question to pay attention to something else, and being efficient by giving useful information up-front.

	To me, the real-world action that most intuitively equates to mass-pinging an IRC channel is coming into a room with lots of people - perhaps a party or perhaps a library, depending on the activity level - and shouting "hey everyone, pay attention, I need help" at the top of your voice. That's the sort of thing that may well get a response, but if it turns out not to be a life-threatening emergency it might not be a very kind one in real life either! Not that I'd ever condone things like "I hope you go die in a fire", certainly; but after you've seen this kind of pattern a few times, particularly if you've been polite and said hello only to end up in an hour-long "support call" about something you don't really know much about, it can get a bit frustrating, so it's worth following the norms of the medium.

	--] (]) 09:13, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
	:It's spammy, Spam produces rage, frustration and confusion. ] (]) 12:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
	::First, you're ''technically'' using "ping" incorrectly when talking about IRC. A ping in IRC terms would be a "test" to either see if someone's connection hasn't failed (you receive a "ping reply"), or to test latency. Servers also do this to all users on a regular basis to ensure you're still there; your client automatically responds to this in the background. Anyway, in some cases (but I assume most non-techy people don't; I, for one, have it set this way), people have their IRC client set to play a sound when their name is said. In my experience, if someone isn't specifically asking for me, it can annoy me when the loud sound I have set to play (to ensure I hear it) is from someone who doesn't want my direct attention. Another reason is that it's just considered plain bad IRC netiquette to do so (in my experience, trolls tend to do this to intentionally anger people). -- ] (]) 16:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	== laptop switching off itself ==

	am using dell laptop N4050,when am using it it happens sometimes it switch off itself without providing any message <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Two possible reasons: it's overheating (take the case off and clean/check the fan), or else it's a dry joint (a solder joint has cracked) and a critical electrical connection is being lost (by & large, throw the machine away and get a new one). --] ] 10:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	::Plus another possible reason: maybe the battery is of no use anymore and the power supply is faulty. In this case, it's worth repairing. ] (]) 15:40, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	:::In my experience repairing laptops, it's far more likely to be a heating issue than anything else. If you're comfortable, take it apart and remove the dust; if not, take it to a professional. ] (]) (]) 16:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	:Another possibility is that the on/off switch is faulty. It should have a nice crisp click to it. If it "smooshes", or doesn't always turn on the first time you push it, this can be a sign that it's bad. ] (]) 04:07, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

	:Also, are you running on battery or plugged in when this happens ? If only one or the other causes it, this might be a clue to the problem, as well as suggest a workaround (use the other method). ] (]) 04:07, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

	== What were the dates of connections for the ARPANET nodes? ==

	I see lots of references to years even months but what was the date of the connection to the ARPANet, specifically Carnegie Tech (now Carnegie Mellon University)? This would have been in the 1969-1971 range. Thanks so much ]MarketDiamond 10:49, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	== Free web hosting in the Arab States ==

	Hi,
	I would like to have an adress for free web hosting in one of the Arab Sates which is not:
	Syria,Lebanon,Yeman,Iraq,Jordan,Egypt and Saudi Arabia
	I would prefer if it will be in UAE...
	] (]) 15:09, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	:Uh, why? ¦ ] (]) 16:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
	:: Because I want one. ] (]) 17:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
	:::Why not Syria,Lebanon,Yeman,Iraq,Jordan,Egypt or Saudi Arabia? ] (]) 12:39, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

	: is probably the best way to find this kind of thing. ] (]) 17:24, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
	Yes, but I haven't found nothing.
	I don't speak Arabic, can someone be helpful?
	] (]) 18:58, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
	:Possibly a psychiatrist. ¦ ] (]) 23:48, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

	== Max my pc speed on the internet. ==

	I have a custom desktop computer and i wanted to know how to max out my internet speed, as of right now my speed is sort of slow i bought a new router linkeys 1500 and it did not seem to improve the speed much it is still slow and does not buffer videos well can anyone help? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:13, 9 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Eventually ] might be available in your community.
	:—] (]) 17:29, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	:A good first step would be to check whether you are getting close to the speed you pay your ] for. Go to http://www.speedtest.net and run the test. (Once is fine but to get a really accurate result you can try it multiple times over a few days and at varying times. But just do it once for now.) Then compare this with what your ISP is saying you ''should'' get. If the speeds are about the same (say, within 10-20%) there won't be much you can do other than pony up for faster internetz. If not, though, it might be something on your end. Post back here and we'll see what can be done. - ] (]) 17:36, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	Like that answers my question. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:41, 9 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	::Results from online "speed-test" websites should be treated with caution. ''At best,'' they tell you about the connection between your client and the web-site's host. In reality, they tell you ''almost nothing'' - the host could be transparently cached, proxied, or relayed through the internet by your service provider or by some other provider upstream. And of course, because ] is ], and not a point-to-point connection, there's very little useful information you can derive from a speed-test to a single host. For example, when I used to downlink data from my campus network servers to my on-campus apartment on the residential network, I could obtain internet connectivity speeds upwards of 1 gigabit per second, ''even though both hosts were on the Internet''. It so happened that "the internet" route I was using happened to pass entirely through campus-owned-and-operated routers that were ''incredibly'' fast.
	::After I left school, connecting from the ''same host'' to the ''same server'', but now routed over a different, commercially-provided internet service router, I would typically max out at a few megabits per second. My speed to Google did not change; but I don't happen care how quickly I can downlink data from Google. (Perhaps I'm not an "ordinary" internet user, in that most of my data is raw binary scientific data from a select few servers).
	::If you want to "max out your internet speed," you should figure out ''what you want to connect to,'' and buy a fast router, high quality cabling, and ''own every link between your host and your server.'' Otherwise, you're relying on some other network engineer to do the best job possible at the lowest cost.
	::If you want to "max out" the connection to Youtube, ... you're just plumb out of luck: you're relying on your ISP, and Google (and their proxy affiliates, the ]s with whom Google conducts business). They are delivering the fastest connection to you that is cost-effective for their business needs. ] (]) 17:48, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

	== Getting a programming job without academic credentials ==

	I'm wondering how likely it is to get a computer programming job with only a BS in engineering and self-taught programming skills. I was hired by my current employer as a process engineer, and I officially became a programmer when I took over for a programmer who left. I have 15 years of programming experience in various languages (C, C++, C#, Java, VBA, MS Access, SQL, Matlab, Lua, x86 Assembly, and probably a few others I can't think of right now.) So how do I prove my abilities to a prospective employer? Are there worthwhile certifications I can get? I've done some freelance development on Rentacoder.com and got only positive feedback, but that site doesn't exist anymore, so I don't know how I could back that up on a resume. ] (]) 22:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
	:Just list the languages you've used and the projects you've used them for, and let the person who interviews you figure out how to verify your skills. The market is hungry for good programmers, so there are going to be people out there who care more about whether you can do the job than about which pieces of paper you can flash. ] (]) 23:14, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
	::Any reasonable employer who is seeking somebody with 15 years of experience will put more stock in your experience than in your credentials. Have you worked on projects that demonstrate your ability to perform in a future job role? Your resume should reflect that. ] (]) 23:55, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
	::: Plus it would be good to have an online portfolio of things you have done that your prospective employer can see ] (]) 12:13, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

	= August 10 =

	== Audio-only video on iPhone ==

	I often listen to video lectures on my iPhone. Sometimes they are in podcast form, other times they are on YouTube. I would like to listen to these videos with the iPhone in auto-lock mode, with the screen off. I can do this with all kinds of audio but not video. Is there a way around this? Otherwise, when I'm listening to a video lecture when I'm walking or jogging with the phone in my pocket, it's using up the battery. ] (]) 10:57, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
	:Load the video, start it playing, then lock the screen. The video will pause, but you can double-tap the 'home' button to restart it, without turning the screen back on. See the first comment . - ] (]) 10:59, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
	::Thanks! ] (]) 11:02, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

	== Tweeting on a phone ==

	Hello, I love to tweet via my computer on ] but I would really like to be able to tweet from my mobile phone. I live in the UK and have a ] telephone (I am a poor man). I understand there is a procedure where I can "align" my twitter account with my telephone and then text tweets to a certain number, but I have no idea of the following items:

	* Which number I need to call (I have an ] phone)
	* How much each tweet will cost
	* Whether I will get @ replies texted to me
	* Whether it will cost me to receive @ replies

	Can anyone shed any light on this situation? ] (]) 12:11, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

	:Unfortunately, you won't be able to use the full features of Twitter from your Orange phone, since Orange is not one of Twitter's in the UK. You will, however, be able to send tweets by using the number 07624800379. Follow the instructions under 'To add your phone to your Twitter profile via long code:'. You will not be able to view tweets or receive replies by this method. In terms of how much it will cost, this will depend on what Orange charges you! The text should be charged the same as any other text to a (non-Orange) phone, although if you're concerned you could always call Orange customer services (dial 150) to check.
	:If you want to use all the features, including replies, over SMS, you will need to switch to another carrier - either ] or ]. You should be able to get a SIM-only deal on a comparable pay-as-you-go tarrif, and be able to keep your existing phone number - just go into your favourite mobile phone shop and ask the nice man about it :) - ] (]) 13:29, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
	::Unless I'm seriously misunderstanding the list you linked, Orange is not only a supported carrier in the UK but even has slightly broader (MMS) support than 3. ] (]) 22:53, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

	== HDMI to monitor ==

	My custom built PC has a hdmi port and it will not display on my Monitor(hd).
	How can i get it to work? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:23, 10 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:What graphics card are you using? And what operating system? ] (]) 16:50, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
	ios:windows

	Graphics card is nvidia geforce i dont know any more stats for the graphics card <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:13, 10 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:Windows 7 ? Has this computer ever displayed anything on any monitor ? If so, please describe what changed between then and now. ] (]) 20:55, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

	:You can check if it's a problem with the monitor or the computer by trying out a different monitor, preferably one that you know works on a different computer. Alternately, find another computer that has a working HDMI port, and try it out on your monitor. Does the monitor have different possible inputs? Make sure that the source of the monitor is set to the correct port (my TV, that I sometimes use for a monitor, has 2 HDMI ports. Once, I was frantically trying to figure out why it wasn't displaying an image from the computer - I had the wrong HDMI port selected). It would help to give the make and model of the monitor as well. ] (]) 22:11, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

	== Hotmail Code ==

	Hello. I received an email from what, according to ], is a trusted source, Microsoft Account Team (account-security-noreplymicrosoft. com), claiming that my Microsoft account has been verified along with a code. I don't remember verifying my account. What would one do to receive such an email? The email asks me to change my password if I didn't request this code. Has my email been infiltrated? Thanks in advance. --] (]) 16:38, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

	== oldest website ==

	What is the oldest still active website. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:14, 10 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:It would potentially depend on your definitions but if you follow similar ones to those used in our article ], the first website is hard to beat as the oldest still active one.

	== Clothing android app? ==

	I don't know if this is the right type of question for the reference desk, but...

	I really need a good app (preferably free, but beggars can't be choosers) for my phone that allows me to take pictures of my clothes and sort them into categories (for instance, business casual, casual, etc). I've tried looking around for one myself, but I haven't found a good one. Does anyone know of one? - ] (]) 18:44, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

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December 11

Quote marks will not appear until I type a second one

Hello all. I have a seemingly one-off, weird and annoying issue. I am using an HP laptop computer:

OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home

System Model HP Spectre x360 Convertible

Version 10.0.19045

Build 19045

Every time I type a quote mark on this computer (or an apostrophe using the same keyboard key without shifting) nothing happens. It is only when I invoke the character key a second time (in a row, without moving the cursor) that anything happens, which is that, only then, TWO quote marks appear. I then I have to delete one of them. Same thing for apostrophes, though I use quotes far more frequently. This happens anywhere I attempt to type the character, including when I placed this one " right now. Please note that the key is not gummed up or anything, it always works to place the two after I type the character the second time. Any ideas? --68.129.153.226 (talk) 17:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

When did this start happening? Has it always been like this? If not, what changed? Be honest. MinorProphet (talk) 20:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

My 13-year old Mac Mini has stopped working. (I have already purchased a new computer, arriving in about two weeks.) I thus borrowed this HP from my sister a week ago, whereupon I discovered this issue. I thus have no idea of the timeline of the problem.--68.129.153.226 (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

What happens if you type a single ' or ", followed by some other character, like a letter?

It sounds like you're in some strange mode which is attempting to interpret various multi-keystroke sequences. Those can be perfectly ordinary — for example, as you may know, on a Mac you can type Option-U to get a bare umlaut, which when you then type a letter like A or U combines with it to form Ä or Ü. But obviously these " and ' sequences you're encountering are bizarre and unwanted! (I've never heard of combining sequences starting with " or ', either.)

My guess is that these sequences are defined for the convenience of typists in some language other than English. I would go to the relevant control panel — perhaps "Keyboard", although under Windows I'm not sure — and make sure you've got English specified as your language, with no funny extra options specified. —scs (talk) 22:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Per the below, it sounds like you might well see different behavior depending on whether you type the " or ' followed by a vowel like A or U, versus a consonant like B or S. —scs (talk) 22:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes you're right. When you're on the international keyboard (or other non-English one) if you type a quote and then a vowel you get an umlaut. With this keyboard layout the first time you press a quote key it will not type it, and you have to press it twice to type a quote.

On Windows 10, on the bottom right, to the left of the date and time, there is an area where you can click to change the keyboard layout. For the international keyboard it is "ENG INTL". If you click it you can change to the normal keyboard, "ENG" or "ENG US" or whatever you prefer. ―Panamitsu (talk) 22:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

See dead key. I suppose your system is configured to see ' and " as dead keys, producing no direct output, but combining with the next character you type to create a letter with acute accent or two dots. I haven't used Windows since XP days, but I suppose that if the following character doesn't accept those diacritics, the ' or " is inserted after all. Try switching to a different keyboard layout. PiusImpavidus (talk) 10:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Have you tried a "+space sequence? I've seen such behavior of a keyboard in Windows when working in a language with diacritic letters. It simulates old typewriter - hit a diacritic symbol first, which gets printed with no carriage move, then hit a letter, which gets printed at the same place and then a carriage advances to a next position. Following this mode you hit a diacritic + space sequence to get a diacritic symbol alone. --CiaPan (talk) 15:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Well, 68.129.153.226, we're all agog to know whether any of our suggestions have worked. Be honest. MinorProphet (talk) 17:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I am on Windows 10 on Dell laptop. I have experienced this behavior and I suspect it started after some OS update.

But note that, when you wish to include anything in double/single quote, you must continue to type as usual. The double/single quote becomes visible only after you type any following character (not just single/double quote).

You may be already aware of it, but I thought if you don't know, it will be less frustrating experience once you know how it works. manya (talk) 06:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

December 13

Where can I find a thesis of recently released Gemini 2.0?

For Gemini 1.5, I find its thesis.

What about recently released Gemini 2.0? HarryOrange (talk) 21:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Here? --Lambiam 21:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

OK That's Gemini 2.0 release information. HarryOrange (talk) 16:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

December 15

Questions About New Laptop Computer

My old laptop computer developed problems with the power, so that it wouldn't start when connected to regular line current. It would start when connected to high-amperage current in an electronics store, but that wasn't useful, and it was time to replace it after five years. I now have some questions about problems with a new laptop computer. The new laptop computer is an HP running Windows 11. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Cursor Jumping Randomly

Sometimes when I am typing in a Word document or editing Misplaced Pages in a source window, I discover that the cursor isn't where I think it should be. The cursor has jumped to somewhere else on the screen, apparently randomly. I have to do a Ctrl-Z to undo what I typed in the wrong place, and then move the cursor back to where I want it. If this is caused by line noise, how do I minimize the impact? How likely is that a new mouse would resolve the problem? Are there any settings that I should diddle with? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

First thing I would do is give the mouse and mousepad a good clean and disconnect and reconnect it. Shantavira| 09:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Possibly due to your hand brushing the trackpad while typing. If you have a mouse, you could experiment with disabling the trackpad: how to disable touchpad on hp laptop. Or even just try turning it off while typing. This erratic caret jumping used to happen to me a lot, too, when my laptop was new, until I found the key to disable the trackpad.

The term caret or insertion point is useful to exclude the mouse cursor (the pointer) from searches. Card Zero (talk) 12:54, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Card Zero. I disabled the touchpad. For users who always use a mouse, the touchpad is a complication. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

I now have a possibly useless question. The documentation referred to an option that disables the touchpad when there is a mouse, but the only option that I found in the settings is the option that always disables the touchpad. I would like to specify that the touchpad is disabled when there is a mouse, and enable it if there is no mouse. This makes very little difference because I will always use a mouse. Is it possible that that option isn't available on my computer? This isn't important. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Network File Sharing

With the old laptop, I had set up network file sharing, so that the laptop computer could view and edit files in shared folders on my desktop computer, a Dell, also running Windows 11, if they were both within range of my wireless router (and the desktop computer always is). The desktop computer could also access files in shared folders on the laptop, if the laptop was I have tried to set up network file sharing with the new laptop computer. I tried calling the technical support offered by the electronics chain that I bought the computers from, and I made seven calls to them, none of which worked, and I have concluded that their technical support people don't know what they are doing, and, worse, don't know the limits of their knowledge. Does anyone have advice on a book that will tell me how to set up network file sharing with Windows 11, that has neither too little nor too much information for a retired database engineer? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon Did you try this? TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 20:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

User:TheTechie - Thank you. That describes the basics, and describes what I had done successfully with the previous laptop computer. I need either a much greater level of detail, or a troubleshooting guide, or something like that. That was helpful in that it doesn't point out anything that I am doing wrong. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Asking for clarification: you did all the steps in the section "How do I troubleshoot sharing files and folders" on that page, on the new laptop? After doing those steps, you still don't "see" your desktop in File Explorer on laptop? (Restart the laptop just in case.) Slowking Man (talk) 04:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

December 19

Scanning all available streams

Hello there. I'm have a question: How to scan all available online streams from a specified server and port given? For example, I've found a Wowza Streaming Engine server at 115.79.46.164 and port 1935. I want to know which website or software can help me to find all active streams on this server. Thanks for reading. Ccv2020 (talk) 14:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

nmap -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 17:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

.kp domains

How many .kp domains are there? Gnu779 (talk) 13:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Did you see .kp#Existing_and_externally_accessible_domain_list? Polygnotus (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

https://www.northkoreatech.org/the-north-korean-website-list/ is a bit outdated but has more background info. Polygnotus (talk) 19:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

It's ok, bro. I can still view the outdated ones with the Wayback Machine at the Internet Archive. Thanks, Gnu779 (talk) 16:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

December 24

Is this bug in the google search ?

I searched for the keywords: "Israel Folau" "Margaret Court" "David Tyree", then Google shows me blank. Is this bug?HarryOrange (talk) 22:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

If I do the same search, this question shows up (twice, due to how the refdesk is organized) plus a link to Stuff. So, it doesn't seem to be a bug. I tried the same format search with much more famous people and got hundreds of links. Matt Deres (talk) 13:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

December 26

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