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| Is the relevant portion of FeuerHerd (2005/2006) the 321st minute, or is that the length of the work? Please cite the time range when death totals are discussed. Thanks! ] (]) 04:08, 19 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| == Dreamcast Sales Numbers == | |||
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| Please actually check out the source I posted. Its from Sega of Japans offical Website. It isn't from a press release but from the Dreamcast page in their Hardware History section. They (the page doesn't have an author listed) state that the Dreamcast sold more than 10 million units. Just because someone else once falsly claimed that it sold 10.6 million units, which Sega doesn't even claim just that it sold more than 10 million units, doesn't mean that the 9.13 million sales number is written in stone. The source for the Playstation 2 sales numbers on Misplaced Pages is basically the same thing, a page from the offical Sony Website about their hardware history so I do not understand why this page couldn't be used as a source for the sales numbers of the Sega Dreamcast despite literally being from Sega themselve. ] (]) 09:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| :Here is the relevant excerpt. The page was released on Novmeber 5, 2018 and is entirely in japanese: | |||
| The user Horhey420 who added a lot to the Foreign Policy of Reagan added a lot of info to these pages. It is quite alot of good info but he has made little attmept to add counterpoints (defenses of Reagan and Carter) and I think the articles may end up violating neutrality. There really need to be some defense of US policy because virtually all of the quotes are condemnations of US policy. Think you might be interested to take a look. | |||
| :セガ最後の家庭用ゲーム機『ドリームキャスト』は累計1,000万台あまりが世に送り出されました。 | |||
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| :Which translates to: | |||
| :::I may do so. The ] article was just such a mess; it read more like a blog, and I couldn't ignore the problems. I figured that there were other slanted articles, but I'll just have to see how bad the bias is and how much time I have to fight for any changes. I will say, though, that the third article you listed isn't particularly egregious. In any case, thanks for your suggestion.] (]) 16:25, 4 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Sega's last home video game console, the Dreamcast, sold a total of more than 10 million units. | |||
| :Here is a link to the page as well as a link to an archive of the page from 3 days ago: | |||
| :https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html | |||
| :https://web.archive.org/web/20241007020058/https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html ] (]) 09:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{U|178.27.108.243}}, I reviewed the source that you provided; however, it appears to be close to a blog post, and not obviously more reliable than the 9.13 million CESA figure reported in Zackariasson ''et al.'' (], 2012). | |||
| ::More broadly, what happens on the ] article has no direct bearing on ]. You are now edit-warring against a prior talk page consensus, complete with a notice not to change the sales figure without consensus. | |||
| ::If you would like to discuss this further, it may be more productive to do so with the community at ], rather than on my user talk page.] (]) 10:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{U|178.27.108.243}}, tangentially, fails ] because the sources do not state that {{tq|"'']'' is the best-selling Sega Saturn game."}} Regardless of the truth of the claim, you should be aware that Misplaced Pages has strict sourcing requirements that do not permit editors to engage in ] ] of reliable sources to reach conclusions not directly supported by the citations provided.] (]) 10:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::You should change the Misplaced Pages page for Virtua Fighter 2 as well since its state there that: the top-selling game worldwide for the Sega Saturn . | |||
| :::Can I add Virtua Fighter 2 as the best selling game if I write that it was only the best selling in Japan? | |||
| :::I wasn't aware of 10.6 million claim nor of the debate about its credibility that happened nearly a decaded ago. | |||
| :::I however fail to see how that claim and debate means that the Dreamcast section of: ''The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles'' from Sega of Japan's offical website which according to the banner on its index page (found here: https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/index.html) is: ''based on existing documents/materials at Sega'' (Original Text in Japanese: セガに現存する資料をもとに、歴代セガハードをご紹介) isn't a crediable source. I doubt that the japanese employee who created those pages used english internet discussions and rumors about console sales numbers as a source. | |||
| :::Your claim about Sega maybe just rounded up the Saturns unit sales number to 6 million also is just your speculation since you don't provide any proof. | |||
| :::In the case of the Mega Drive which sold about 3.58 million units according to Famitus the Megad Drive section of: ''The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles'' states that: ''More than 3 million units of the “Mega Drive” were sold in Japan.'' (Original Text in Japanese: 『メガドライブ』は日本において300万台以上が販売されました。) | |||
| :::This doesn't prove that Sega didn't round up the Sega Saturn unit sales number but is at least an example form the same source that shows that for one of their other consoles they definitly didn't just round up to the next higher number. ] (]) 12:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Mujaheddin == | |||
| Other pages would be ] and ] by the way.] | |||
| Hello i noticed that you eliminated my modification on the page mujaheddin that says that mujaheddin were NATO allies, they were allies due to intervention of mujaheddin in the gulf war against Saddam Hussein ] (]) 13:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Indonesian killings == | |||
| :{{U|Boackandwhite}}, thank you for reaching out. Please provide a ] for ]. Regards,] (]) 03:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::okay i have a pdf about units involved in 1991 gulf war that include mujaheddin i'll use it ] (]) 09:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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:::Since your source does not directly state that NATO is an ally of the mujahideen, your edit failed ] and has been If you disagree, then please provide a page number and quote of the relevant excerpt that verifies the claim. Thank you.] (]) 08:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC) | ||
| :::I wrote the article except that section, and it's style (and length!) had long bothered me, but I did not know how to go about fixing it, apart from just removing it which would not have stuck. Your changes are just about perfect. Cheers. --] (]) 12:18, 9 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Agree with merbabu - btw interesting all this stuff about the usa - I am sure somewhere in the recesses of my long filed away secondary sources in my storage boxes (all pre-internet) - the british embassy was a up to its eyeballs and may have been feeding the us embassy or operatives with material... ]] 09:23, 10 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Some people always prefer to emphasise the real or imagined US role in things, and not the role of other states. You would think that the US (and not the USSR) sold Saddam most of his weapons in the war with Iran, or that the US gave more aid to the junta in Argentina than France, or that the CIA overthrew Mossadegh all by its lonesome (and not at the request of the British). I don't doubt that the UK was involved in Indonesia to some extent, but I don't have the sources to back that up.] (]) 13:20, 10 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| I hope is not repeated on the Indonesian article. --] (]) 03:04, 16 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ===Horhey edit warring === | |||
| His restores without consensus are not acceptable. But I don't know the best way to respond. His actions and comments don't suggest he will respond to or respect rational or standard Misplaced Pages procedures. You will also see from his contribs that he has received some bad advice from another editor. --] (]) 07:08, 19 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| PS - it appears to me that the three of you might have some history. If that is so, and as I already said on the talk page, it would be nice if these battles could be kept off this page and that we focus on the specific issues. I and others really don't care about the other troubles you may have had. just saying. :) --] (])| | |||
| ::I'll discuss his edits with him. I'll handle it. I don't want an edit war. Thanks for the tip about the bad advice he got.] (]) 07:14, 19 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::By the way, please don't split other editor's comments up like . It makes it really hard for a third person (like me!) to understand who's saying what. | |||
| :::Thanks for your work. will be monitoring what happens. :) --] (]) 07:52, 19 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Oh, really? I'll have to watch that.] (]) 07:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Yet another one of your changes just got reverted. --] (]) 12:35, 20 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::And I reverted it back, because he's so clearly, blatantly in the wrong.] (]) 12:39, 20 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::This might be helpful: ]--] (]) 10:17, 23 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| == For your reference... == | |||
| The archive of the section on ANI opened by Horhey can be found . For your reference. --] (]) 04:57, 24 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Thank you.] (]) 04:58, 24 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| (as for the recent blocking, IMO probably best if we let the admins carry most of that load - let's just chip in if really required. :-) Otherwise, the risk is a perception that things are murky. And perceptions are what counts unforunately. cheers) --] (]) 04:59, 24 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Indeed. --] (]) 05:05, 24 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ==Re: Noble Lie== | |||
| Sure TheTimesAreAChanging, I will do my best to communicate, although I haven't gotten the impression that this editor is an attentive listener. This sure is a frustrating edit war, eh? Best, ] (]) 20:59, 25 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :It certainly is. Thanks again for your help.] (]) 22:45, 25 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Civility Issue: Personal Attack vs. Sourced Editing == | |||
| Hi...I called out the unsubstantiated, emotioned characterization of my recent edit as "offensive".it is obviously the knee jerk reaction of the user. This and my edit description thus is not a personal attack. This was in hopes of discouraging such knee-jerk edits and encouraging cooled, sourced editing. --] (]) 11:55, 28 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :ViriiK's reference to "offending" material that violated Misplaced Pages policy was not a statement that he was personally offended by your edits and therefore reverted--and hence deserved to be attacked as overly emotional.] (]) 12:15, 28 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Peter Schiff == | |||
| Hello, I would like you ask you why the infobox doesn't show all the information written. ] (]) 22:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC) Kevin4762 | |||
| :I'm wondering the same thing. I know nothing about infoboxes and I didn't create it.] (]) 22:20, 13 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :We really need to find an appropriate infobox rather than keep using the one designed for economists. Do either of you know how to design or modify a template to make it suitable for a businessperson? Thanks.] (]) 01:58, 14 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| You're only allowed to show the information that is allow by the economist template. That is why I changed it to person instead of economist. ] (]) 14:51, 16 August 2012 (UTC)Kevin4762 | |||
| I would like to ask you if it is possible to disallow the anonymous user to stop editing. I would enjoy cooperating with you, but the anonymous user is making it very difficult to. ] (]) 14:52, 16 August 2012 (UTC)Kevin4762 | |||
| TO K-E-V-I-N: | |||
| Kevin, you are the one who changed the infobox from Economist to Person. Now however it has been changed back, not by you. So it is as it previously appeard, "Economist" and you are not explaining how any other users are preventing you from cooperating. One thing I urge you to do is read and give careful thought to my comments on the various talk pages so that collaboration can proceed without repetitive edits prior to consensus. Thanks.] (]) 16:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| TIME: I see you undid my contribution first, then checked as to why I did it. Consider what that might indicate about your attitude and objectivity.Thanks.] (]) 01:09, 17 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :At least I did check. I shouldn't have to. That's what edit summaries are for. As a non-registered user with a history of edit warring on a BLP, you are under close scrutiny.] (]) 01:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| You say: "Discuss". so please do so rather than just undo the edits again and again :) ] ] (]) 04:41, 16 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| == Re: Historical Fact == | |||
| Yeah, but it says that his government ended in 1968 so I always get confused :P And didn't the Ba'athist coup in 1963 fail? I always thought the Ba'athist regime came in to power in 1968. ] (]) 05:39, 18 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 05:39, 18 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :No, the coup succeeded in 1963--but there were two coups that year! The ] split power between ] and ]; Arif purged the Ba'ath from the government in the ]. The Ba'ath did not have the Presidency until 1968. However, the Ba'ath was the dominant faction ''in Qasim's cabinet'', and had significant power from 1959 on.] (]) 05:49, 18 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == History of Iraq under Ba'athist rule == | |||
| I didn't know that Qasim's government ended in 1963, I thought it was 1968. And the reason why I added the Pre-Ba'athist flag to the History of Iraq under Ba'athist rule was becuase Qasim's government was the regime before the Ba'athist Republic, so that's why I added Qasim's flag in the top right corner link, to represent the previous Iraqi government before the Ba'athist Republic of Iraq which was Qasim's | |||
| And with regards to the Totalitarian debate, I must insist that Ba'athist Iraq was Totalitarian in nature and was a Totalitarian Dictatorship as control was vested in one man which had a centrally controlled government that required complete subservience to the state and leader. Certainly it was a Dictatorship in some respect. I'm not saying Ba'athist Iraq's government was Totalitarianism which makes no sense, but it was a Totalitarian Dictatorship, of which I found referenced material to back up my claim. I just would like you to consider it. | |||
| ] (]) 05:54, 18 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Saddam's Iraq was unquestionably totalitarian. But you should discuss your changes on the talk page. Do any other articles list "totalitarian government" under "government type"?] (]) 05:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| Well, under "Government" on the Misplaced Pages article, it's listed as a form of government, as is a Constitutional republic or a Constitutional monarchy. Nazi Germany for example lists it's form of government as a Totalitarian Dictatorship, and since I've seen countries with a Constitutional republic or monarchy I though there would be nothing wrong with it. | |||
| ] (]) 06:08, 18 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Good argument. I restored it for now.] (]) 06:20, 18 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks! :D | |||
| ] (]) 06:22, 18 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Bad idea == | |||
| was a really bad idea. Never revert-war on someone else's talk page. Trust me on this one. ] (]) 04:40, 20 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :That was an accident. It was the result of an edit conflict, and I don't know why I clicked what I did.] (]) 04:45, 20 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Burden of Proof II, Son of Burden of Proof == | |||
| Please take a look at ]. I think it explains why Viriditas insists that you have the burden of proof. ] (]) 07:12, 20 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
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@TheTimesAreAChanging Hello, its one thing to make valid criticism of an edit, its yet another to make adhominem attacks against other editors like you did here with no regards to Assumimg Good Faith. If you have doubts regarding my WP:NPOV, you are welcome to discuss the edits with Civility and by focusing on the content, so long as you stop making Personal attacks. ~~ shadowwarrior8 (talk) 14:58 28 January 2023
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Dreamcast Sales Numbers
Please actually check out the source I posted. Its from Sega of Japans offical Website. It isn't from a press release but from the Dreamcast page in their Hardware History section. They (the page doesn't have an author listed) state that the Dreamcast sold more than 10 million units. Just because someone else once falsly claimed that it sold 10.6 million units, which Sega doesn't even claim just that it sold more than 10 million units, doesn't mean that the 9.13 million sales number is written in stone. The source for the Playstation 2 sales numbers on Misplaced Pages is basically the same thing, a page from the offical Sony Website about their hardware history so I do not understand why this page couldn't be used as a source for the sales numbers of the Sega Dreamcast despite literally being from Sega themselve. 178.27.108.243 (talk) 09:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- Here is the relevant excerpt. The page was released on Novmeber 5, 2018 and is entirely in japanese:
- セガ最後の家庭用ゲーム機『ドリームキャスト』は累計1,000万台あまりが世に送り出されました。
- Which translates to:
- Sega's last home video game console, the Dreamcast, sold a total of more than 10 million units.
- Here is a link to the page as well as a link to an archive of the page from 3 days ago:
- https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html
- https://web.archive.org/web/20241007020058/https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/column/column_06.html 178.27.108.243 (talk) 09:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- 178.27.108.243, I reviewed the source that you provided; however, it appears to be close to a blog post, and not obviously more reliable than the 9.13 million CESA figure reported in Zackariasson et al. (Routledge, 2012).
- More broadly, what happens on the PlayStation 2 article has no direct bearing on Dreamcast. You are now edit-warring against a prior talk page consensus, complete with a notice not to change the sales figure without consensus.
- If you would like to discuss this further, it may be more productive to do so with the community at Talk:Dreamcast, rather than on my user talk page.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 10:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- 178.27.108.243, tangentially, this edit fails verification because the sources do not state that
"Virtua Fighter 2 is the best-selling Sega Saturn game."
Regardless of the truth of the claim, you should be aware that Misplaced Pages has strict sourcing requirements that do not permit editors to engage in original synthesis of reliable sources to reach conclusions not directly supported by the citations provided.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 10:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC)- You should change the Misplaced Pages page for Virtua Fighter 2 as well since its state there that: the top-selling game worldwide for the Sega Saturn .
- Can I add Virtua Fighter 2 as the best selling game if I write that it was only the best selling in Japan?
- I wasn't aware of 10.6 million claim nor of the debate about its credibility that happened nearly a decaded ago.
- I however fail to see how that claim and debate means that the Dreamcast section of: The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles from Sega of Japan's offical website which according to the banner on its index page (found here: https://www.sega.jp/history/hard/index.html) is: based on existing documents/materials at Sega (Original Text in Japanese: セガに現存する資料をもとに、歴代セガハードをご紹介) isn't a crediable source. I doubt that the japanese employee who created those pages used english internet discussions and rumors about console sales numbers as a source.
- Your claim about Sega maybe just rounded up the Saturns unit sales number to 6 million also is just your speculation since you don't provide any proof.
- In the case of the Mega Drive which sold about 3.58 million units according to Famitus the Megad Drive section of: The encyclopedia of Sega video game consoles states that: More than 3 million units of the “Mega Drive” were sold in Japan. (Original Text in Japanese: 『メガドライブ』は日本において300万台以上が販売されました。)
- This doesn't prove that Sega didn't round up the Sega Saturn unit sales number but is at least an example form the same source that shows that for one of their other consoles they definitly didn't just round up to the next higher number. 178.27.108.243 (talk) 12:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Mujaheddin
Hello i noticed that you eliminated my modification on the page mujaheddin that says that mujaheddin were NATO allies, they were allies due to intervention of mujaheddin in the gulf war against Saddam Hussein Boackandwhite (talk) 13:08, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Boackandwhite, thank you for reaching out. Please provide a reliable source for verification. Regards,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 03:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- okay i have a pdf about units involved in 1991 gulf war that include mujaheddin i'll use it Boackandwhite (talk) 09:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
- Since your source does not directly state that NATO is an ally of the mujahideen, your edit failed verification and has been reverted. If you disagree, then please provide a page number and quote of the relevant excerpt that verifies the claim. Thank you.TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 08:46, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- okay i have a pdf about units involved in 1991 gulf war that include mujaheddin i'll use it Boackandwhite (talk) 09:32, 18 December 2024 (UTC)