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| ⚫ | == Listing BSL-3 Sites == | ||
| ⚫ | Surely it is a fool's errand to include a list of BLS-3 labs, given that the start of this section indicates that there are over 1000 in the US alone. Why not make the list of facilities only those with BSL-4 facilities? This would be an actually possible task and would may resolve the factual inaccuracy complaint. | ||
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| {{press|title=Coronavirus: Is there any evidence for lab release theory?|url=https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52318539|author=Paul Rincon|org=]|date=April 16, 2020|quote=Misplaced Pages lists over 50 around the world but there is no authoritative list.}} | |||
| ⚫ | == Listing BSL-3 Sites == | ||
| ⚫ | Surely it is a fool's errand to include a list of BLS-3 labs, given that the start of this section indicates that there are over 1000 in the US alone. Why not make the list of facilities only those with BSL-4 facilities? This would be an actually possible task and would may resolve the factual inaccuracy complaint. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 2012-08-24T14:29:56</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> | ||
| == Laboratory personnel have specific training in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents, and are supervised by competent scientists who are experienced in working with these agents. This is considered a neutral or warm zone. == | |||
| I agree. This list would go on forever. BSL-3 labs are much too common to list. ] (]) 12:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC) | |||
| This doesn't make much sense. What's considered a neutral to warm zone? The staff, the workplace, the safety level, the agent? And there is no explanation of what neutral to warm is. If it's referencing the safety level, level three is not going to be neutral, that'd make level 1 minus neutral, somehow. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:26, 28 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| {{agree|I agree too.}} After the COVID pandemic there was a boom of BLS-2 labs upgrading to BLS-3 in Brazil, it doesn't seem to make much sense to list it all. —] (]) 01:55, 12 May 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == Noguchi Memorial Institute for Medical Research == | |||
| == Plagiarism in the ] section == | |||
| Revision 456170207 by ] (]) added "Noguchi Memorial Institute for Medical Research" (NMIMR) to the External links section, but without any external link, citation, or indication of biosafety levels. I'm moving it to this talk page until the BSL can be confirmed. | |||
| This section had blatant plagiarism. We cannot directly copy/paste what a report says like that. We must, instead, summarize and paraphrase. And where we quote, we must use quotation marks, and restrict ourselves to as little direct quotation as possible. Misplaced Pages is not simply a repository for quotes about stuff. An encyclopedia is much more than that. The relevant guideline is ].--] <sup>(]</sup> <sup>])</sup> 21:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC) | |||
| I conducted a research project at the Noguchi Institute, and I can attest that they do operate both BSL-2 and BSL-3 facilities. I can provide photographic evidence if that would help. ] (]) 15:04, 11 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == New(ish) source and more == | |||
| The institute is in Ghana, is named after ], and apparently has a BSL-2 or BSL-3 laboratory, or both. Some references: | |||
| * {{Citation |first1=Phyllis |last1=Addo |first2=Maxwell |last2=Quartey |first3=Mona |last3=Abbas |first4=Benjamin |last4=Adu-Addai |first5=Enid |last5=Owusu |first6=Ishmael |last6=Okang |first7=Alfred |last7=Dodoo |first8=Dziedom |last8=De Souza |first9=Nii-Ayi |last9=Ankrah |first10=David |last10=Ofori-Adjei |year=2008 |title=In-Vitro Susceptibility of Mycobacterium Ulcerans to Herbal Preparations |journal=The Internet Journal of Tropical Medicine |volume=4 |issue=2 |issn=1540-2681 |url=http://www.ispub.com/journal/the-internet-journal-of-tropical-medicine/volume-4-number-2/in-vitro-susceptibility-of-mycobacterium-ulcerans-to-herbal-preparations.html |accessdate=2011-11-20 |postscript=.}} Mentions a level 2 biosafety laboratory at NMIMR. | |||
| * {{Cite web |url=http://www.ug.edu.gh/index1.php?linkid=358&sublinkid=272 |title=Department of Virology |work=Noguchi Memorial Institute for Medical Research |publisher=University of Ghana |accessdate=2011-11-20 |quote=Good laboratory practices are strictly followed and special training provided for staffs who work in a biosafety level 3 (BSL 3) environment with related pathogens.}} | |||
| * {{Cite conference |title=Report on “The Survey on Programmes for Safe Use of Biotechnology/Biosafety And Existing Status of Biotechnology And Living Modified Organisms (LMOs) in Ghana” |url=http://ghanabchdatabase.com/pdf/workshops/Proceedings%20of%20the%20Review%20Workshop.pdf |format=PDF |author=Josephine NKETSIA-TABIRI, Ph.D |year=2003 |conference=National Review Workshop on “Surveys on Biotechnology, Biosafety Programmes and Related Legislation in Ghana” |publisher=UNEP-GEF, NBC, and BNARI |page=44 |isbn=9988-8274-5-8 |accessdate=2011-11-20 |quote=It is note-worthy that the NMIMR of UG has a level 3 pathogen-free laboratory.}} | |||
| is the most recent source I found about the number of high-containment biological laboratories (roughly meaning BSL-3 and BSL-4). It looks reliable, but mostly based on older sources that this article is already using (guess it can still be useful for finding other sources or filling up the BSL-4 list). The sentence about the USA Today report seems a bit misleading (in 2015 it was well known that there were far more than 200 BSL-3 facilities, their locaton/identity is what wasn't public or easy to find; 's the original artice, which may be a better source than the current one; the sentence about the GAO report also uses the verb "identify", but that's a number likely closer to the actual total number and the report doesn't disclose their location; the above linked more recent source uses 1,643, that looks like 1,362 with DSAT + 281 with APHIS, it's based on a slightly newer, but not much different GAO report, probably a lower estimate, not sure if some laboratories figure in both counts). Not sure what to do with this, so I'll just drop the links and leave eventual edits to other editors. ] (]) 21:36, 12 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 14:36, 20 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
| == Orphaned references in ] == | |||
| == Missing BSL-3 Site == | |||
| I check pages listed in ] to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for ] in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of ]'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for ''this'' article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article. | |||
| The Biosecurity Research Institute at Kansas State University in Manhattan Kansas has a BSL-3, ABSL-3 (animal BSL-3), BSL-3E (Enhanced BSL-3) and BSL-3Ag facility. It is located next to where the new BSL-4 facility is being built. It is mentioned in the article on the new facility but not listed as having its own BSL-3. This information was gleaned from a job posting on their website. So I assume it is reasonably accurate. | |||
| ] (]) 18:42, 3 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| <b>Reference named "feldman07":</b><ul> | |||
| :Do we actually need the BSL-3 sites at all? The article states that "a total of 1356 CDC/USDA registered BSL-3 facilities were identified throughout the United States", which is clearly too much for a Misplaced Pages list. Also in Europe there are probably thousands of them. The list will be always incomplete. Should we maybe focus on BSL-4 labs instead? There are only something around 30 of these labs worldwide, which would be far easier to deal with. ] (]) 15:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| <li>From ]: {{cite journal |doi=10.1086/520539 |title=Dedication: Jim Orzechowski (1944–2003) and Michael Kiley (1942–2004) |year=2007 |last1=Feldmann |first1=Heinz |last2=Geisbert |first2=Thomas |last3=Kawaoka |first3=Yoshihiro |last4=Johnson |first4=Karl M. |journal=The Journal of Infectious Diseases |volume=196 |pages=S127–S128 }}</li> | |||
| <li>From ]: {{cite journal |doi=10.1086/520539}}</li> | |||
| </ul> | |||
| I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. <small>Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs.</small> ]] 14:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::I agree. BSL-4 facilities are significant because of their rarity. A BSL-3 facility is pretty common in comparison. ] (]) 12:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == AI upscaled image == | |||
| == Genetically modified organisms are BSL-2? == | |||
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| Does anyone have a reference for the claim that "Genetically modified organisms have also been classified as level 2 organisms"? Seems like most iGEM projects are being done in BSL-1 labs. ] (]) 08:24, 9 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| It seems as if in 2022 user Fargoh replaced the image in this article with a version that was upscaled using AI, attributing it as "Improvement of quality and resolution". The upscaled version features some artifacts telling of neural network-generated and "improved" imagery. Is there any reason for the higher resolution version to be kept or should the change be reverted? ] (]) 08:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I deleted this statement, since it was clearly incorrect. According to the CDC, the NIH Guidelines are the key reference in assessing risk and establishing an appropriate biosafety level for work involving recombinant DNA molecules: http://oba.od.nih.gov/oba/rac/Guidelines/NIH_Guidelines.htm ] (]) 21:56, 9 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
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Listing BSL-3 Sites
Surely it is a fool's errand to include a list of BLS-3 labs, given that the start of this section indicates that there are over 1000 in the US alone. Why not make the list of facilities only those with BSL-4 facilities? This would be an actually possible task and would may resolve the factual inaccuracy complaint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.51.113 (talk • contribs) 2012-08-24T14:29:56
I agree. This list would go on forever. BSL-3 labs are much too common to list. Artur The Third (talk) 12:07, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
I agree too. After the COVID pandemic there was a boom of BLS-2 labs upgrading to BLS-3 in Brazil, it doesn't seem to make much sense to list it all. —Arthurfragoso (talk) 01:55, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Plagiarism in the Safety Concerns section
This section had blatant plagiarism. We cannot directly copy/paste what a report says like that. We must, instead, summarize and paraphrase. And where we quote, we must use quotation marks, and restrict ourselves to as little direct quotation as possible. Misplaced Pages is not simply a repository for quotes about stuff. An encyclopedia is much more than that. The relevant guideline is Misplaced Pages:Plagiarism.--Shibbolethink 21:27, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
New(ish) source and more
This is the most recent source I found about the number of high-containment biological laboratories (roughly meaning BSL-3 and BSL-4). It looks reliable, but mostly based on older sources that this article is already using (guess it can still be useful for finding other sources or filling up the BSL-4 list). The sentence about the USA Today report seems a bit misleading (in 2015 it was well known that there were far more than 200 BSL-3 facilities, their locaton/identity is what wasn't public or easy to find; here's the original artice, which may be a better source than the current one; the sentence about the GAO report also uses the verb "identify", but that's a number likely closer to the actual total number and the report doesn't disclose their location; the above linked more recent source uses 1,643, that looks like 1,362 with DSAT + 281 with APHIS, it's based on a slightly newer, but not much different GAO report, probably a lower estimate, not sure if some laboratories figure in both counts). Not sure what to do with this, so I'll just drop the links and leave eventual edits to other editors. 109.119.248.146 (talk) 21:36, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Orphaned references in Biosafety level
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Biosafety level's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "feldman07":
- From Canadian Science Centre for Human and Animal Health: Feldmann, Heinz; Geisbert, Thomas; Kawaoka, Yoshihiro; Johnson, Karl M. (2007). "Dedication: Jim Orzechowski (1944–2003) and Michael Kiley (1942–2004)". The Journal of Infectious Diseases. 196: S127 – S128. doi:10.1086/520539.
- From National Microbiology Laboratory: . doi:10.1086/520539.
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. Feel free to remove this comment after fixing the refs. AnomieBOT⚡ 14:14, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
AI upscaled image
It seems as if in 2022 user Fargoh replaced the image in this article with a version that was upscaled using AI, attributing it as "Improvement of quality and resolution". The upscaled version features some artifacts telling of neural network-generated and "improved" imagery. Is there any reason for the higher resolution version to be kept or should the change be reverted? Polinet68 (talk) 08:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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