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== November music ==
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I uploaded more pics (see places), on a mountain in the sun above the fog. - ] - ]. -- ] (]) 23:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:]I'm kinda bummed that I didn't make it back this year to the lake in the picture at the right. Last time we were there we took our ] out and managed to spot a bear with two cubs foraging on the mountainside. ] ] 00:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:: That looks inviting! - I uploaded pics of a trip that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang ] at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --] (]) 19:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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And YGM from me. ] (]) 16:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
Forget it. The issue has resolved itself. Probably a cache error. ] (]) 16:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:Weird. Before just now my last edit was about fourteen hours ago. Good to see you though. ] ] 18:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
I have also sent mail ] ] 07:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
* <small>I have also sent mail. It was to my insurance company...but...I just wanted to feel like part of the group. ]] 23:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)</small>
== I don't understand the need to twist the knife ==
Just leave the guy alone. Jesus. ] (]) 23:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:I just think it would be better for everyone if this just ended now instead of going on for a full week. It's probably in his own best interest to pull the plug now. ] ] 23:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::And you think he's not able to see what's going on and decide for himself, and needs you to give advice (masquerading as a question), because ...? ] (]) 23:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Nevermind. I'm just disappointed in almost everyone around here these days; I'm not sure why I thought that wouldn't be true of you too. Consider it a rhetorical question. ] (]) 23:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I'll cop to it being a suggestion inside of a question. I'm not sure Graham has been honest with himself, based on comments I have seen him making, and this was an attempt to nudge him in that direction, not to kick him when he's down, but I can see how it could come off that way. ] ] 00:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hello, Just Step Sideways, and hello@] (who had kindly relisted the page)
Can I ask you to kindly undo your close of that AfD about film, please? There's not even '''one''' Delete !vote on that page.....and the nominator has asked for sources... that were provided (at AfD and on the page; it was vastly improved....(by me, fwiw)). Nor the nominator nor @], who had !voted Redirect (which had been the outcome of a first close, see ] where I asked Star Mississippi to relist it), have responded to new sources (added twice), true but that should not be considered a reason for deletion. At the very very least please consider a relist. Whatever your reading of the page is, it is absolutely impossible to consider there is a consensus to delete at all. Your closing statement does not indicate any reason for your decision, so I am assuming it is a mistake. Thank you in advance. -]. 00:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:You are correct, I didn't mean to close that AFD at all. I was very confused for a minute there because an AFD I thought I had closed was still open and I couldn't figure out why. I clicked on the wrong one, I guess from scrolling too fast. I'll fix it now. ] ] 00:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
== Rasmussen Reports ==
::Thank you very much! -]. 00:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:::{{done}}. ] ] 01:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::so you... stepped sideways to the wrong AfD? :)
::Thanks @] for the ping. Glad it was resolved in the interim while I was offline.I didn't watch the AfD after the relist so please do ping me if needed. ] ] 01:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I read that in Mark E. Smith's voice.
:::When I'm closing AFDs I have the log for the whole day open, with only still-open discussions displayed, and there were two similarly long ones back-to-back. Not that it is anything but my fault but I assume that's how it happened. ] ] 01:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
== Why the name change? ==
Beeblebrox, I'm not at all familiar with Misplaced Pages administration, so perhaps you could explain to me why you closed ]. I don't see consensus. I thought we were making good progress before Naapple declared "This conversation has gone on long enough," and, "The End." --] (]) 03:39, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
Beeblebrox is a name I vaguely recall, and respect, though I don't think our areas of WP interest overlap much. Why have you changed it? ] (]) 09:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:Progress? If by that you mean it was becoming progressively more obvious that nobody agreed with you that the content belonged in the lead section, I would agree. Of you meant you were getting close to getting agreeement that it did belong I would say you have a case of ]. ] (]) 17:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
:I had been contemplating it for some time. When I first registered this account, people, including myself, were generally unaware of best practices for online security. So we did things like name our account after one pet and use the other one's name as the password. Sadly, my cat Zaphod Beeblebrox passsed on some time ago. And I've been a longtime fan, due to my wife, of ] and since the death of ] I'de been contemplating a new username based on a fall song, so I went twith one of my favorites. ] ] 01:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::Please re-read that thread. There were only 4 participants, including me. From the very start Naapple flagrantly violated ] and was very uncivil. Orange Mike only came in at the very, very end and did not explain his view. The last participant was Safehaven86. Although he and I had our differences we were clearly moving toward a common understanding.
::Thediscussion lasted for only8daysbeforeyouclosedit,andthepagehasnotbeenparticularlyactive.Whynotgiveotherstheopportunity to weighinfor,say,acouplemoremonthsbefore closing?--] (]) 04:20, 24 August2012 (UTC)
::Thank you for your explanation! I once observed an editor who changed his username as part of the process of standing for some official WP role. I'm reassured to know that you're not up to any such thing. ] (]) 11:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:::At the time I changed it I did not anticipate ever running for ArbCom again, but after watching the committee struggle this past year I decided I'd run again. ] ] 20:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:::A couple of months pf debate over one sentence in the article lead? Why? Why could this possibly be so very important to you? You may want to examine your own motivations for wanting thos so bad. ] (])
::::I don't understand, are you ] of editing in bad faith? I ] by explaining in detail my motives in the discussion thread. It seems that you never read the thread before closing it. Please do so. --] (]) 19:50, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
::::::I merely asked you to honestly ask yourself why you are so fixated on the idea that the content be right on the lead section. Of course I read the entire conversation before performing a close. A close I stand behind 100%. I did not say you were acting in bad faith, but I did say you were having a problem ]. Re-opening the discussion would make it take longer to reach the same result again, but if you want to keep ] I suggest you seek ]. I'll thank you to stop badgering me about it as well. ] (]) 20:46, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
== cand q ==
FYI, I've opened a new AN/I discussion ]. Sorry to keep pestering you on this issue; I wish there was a less painful way to do this. --] (]) 22:01, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for standing for arbitrator. I am far away from it all (travel, mourning), not in the mood, so just an informal question you can answer or ignore:
== Re: speedy deletion ==
* ''']''' chose ]er by five composers whose music was banned by the Nazis—], ], ], ] and ]—for a recital at the ].
Hi!Thankyouforclarifying.Imayhavemadesimilarmistakesafewtimesmore. However, I will be more cautious. Cheers!--] (]) 17:40, 23August2012 (UTC)
What does this 2024 DYK tell you about infoboxes for classical composers in 2024? --] (]) 16:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
== Explicit–Liz ==
:Speedy deletion has a lot of little details like that, it takes a while to get them all down. Even some admins don't know all the ins and outs of the criteria. One good way to be sure is that every time you have nominated something go to ] and double check to be sure there isn't some detail you overlooked or were not aware of. It takes a bit more time but eventually you will be able to nominate articles with total confidence. ] (]) 17:49, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I don't think that thread is ready for closure. Maybe the immediate issue has been dealt with, but (per ]) it's a sign of a broader problem that really needs to be dealt with—the conflict's been dragging on for years, and if it isn't addressed, someday it's going to result in a block or desysop, which is the worst possible outcome for everyone. ] (]) 22:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::What about ? I tagged it with notEnglish. Is that ok? Even the title is in some other language. SO it was difficult to ensure if this existed in other Wikimedia projects.--] (]) 18:13, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
:I guess I think, given the various mitigating factors, that nothing concrete was going to come of this. The egregious personal attack and the confusion/lack of information regarding the supressed content make it extremely unlikely. Technically, no discussion should be had, ever, on-wiki regarding supressed content. ] ] 22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Looks like that was an article in Thai about ], so it was deleted as ]. ] (]) 19:19, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
::Perhaps that's true for the wheel-warring/suppression, but the point I was trying to make in my comment was that the problem goes well beyond the most recent incident—and I think that point deserves engagement rather than a closure 20 minutes later. ] (]) 22:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Ok, I got it. Thanks a lot.--] (]) 18:43, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
:::I see the diffs you posted, but even without them, it is obvious to anyone who just read that single thread that these two don't get along and have not for some time. Absent any sort of explicit proposal I'm afraid I really don't see the point. ] ] 22:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I suggest waiting to see if the issue continues before anyone makes an explicit proposal, or even an Explicit proposal. ] (]) 22:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::I really enjoy how much likelier you are to comment on a subject if you can sneak in a cheap pun.
:::::And I agree, I think this thread was a shot across the bow to both of them to cut this out. Let's see if they abide by that. ] ] 23:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
== Question re that ANI discussion just now ==
== CBS Records ==
I thought about leaving Tercer a first-and-only NPA warning for ] although if I were an admin, it would have been enough for me to block them. You're obviously right that a discussion needs to happen but I can't imagine it going anywhere as long one editor feels comfortable telling another "''you don't know anything''" and whatever else. Thoughts? <b style="font-family: Segoe Script;">'']]]''</b> 21:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for locking the ] article. This incarnation of CBS Records is not related to the former CBS Records entities which changed their names to ] regarding the label and ] regarding the company. In 1988, ] sold CBS Records to the ] and CBS gave Sony only a temporary license on the CBS name which forced the name changes and eventually allowed CBS's parent company ] to form a new CBS Records in 2006. The dispute has to do with the insertion of too much material which actually belong in either the Columbia Records article or the Sony Music Entertainment article. ] (]) 22:59, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
:I'mnotlookingtogetinvolvedintheactualcontentdispute,just shutting down the editwarring. ] (])15:27, 24August2012 (UTC)
:That's a fair point, I've added a bit on that specifically to the closing message. ] ] 21:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
==You've got mail!==
Please re-lock the CBS Records article as Norton changed it back BEFORE the dispute was settled. I have a compromise solution of creating a new article called "CBS Records International" regarding the international arm of the former CBS Records (now Sony Music) that was founded in 1962. ] (]) 10:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
{{You've got mail}} <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 00:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:Norton is at it again. Please take action. I've already report this in ]. ] (]) 13:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
== Another article for deletion ==
Hello again, Russ. Is there a way to keep the ] article a DAB page permanently? Thank you. ] (]) 20:13, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Regarding the deletion of ], shortly after the AfD was initiated it was moved from ] (see ). The latter article has not been deleted, and even retains the original AfD notice. Probably a 'feature' of the Misplaced Pages deletion software, but it and its Talk page also need to be deleted. Thanks. ] (]) 02:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:I was just reading your post at AN. It reads like an announcement of intent to edit war. Frankly I think the both of you should walk away from this issue and let users who haven't been warring over it sort it out. ] (]) 20:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
How do we start a ] case regarding ]? ] (]) 19:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
:See ] for details. ] (]) 20:03, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
:Huh, I thought the XFD closer would handle that but I guess not. I'll zap it now. ] ] 02:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
== ANI discussion ==
== "I don't think I've ever actually seen that before." ==
Hi, Beeblebrox. Would you be willing to take a look at ] and voice your opinions about it there? We are trying to come up with a resolution. Thanks, ] (] - ]) 02:09, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
About . There was also a few weeks ago for interest. It seems it happens, but I don't know how often. ] (]) 06:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:I'm fairly sure those are both the same person, fwiw. – ] 06:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
==Requesting Speedy Gonzalez!==
::Prety weak to not realize that's never going to work, but I've given up being sursrised at such things, ] ] 08:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
*Hi, as →]← was confirmed as a sock of the BANNED →]← per SPI result, I requested for it to be speedily deleted per ] as indicated by the CU admin. Subsequently, it was indeed deleted but a newbie who was clueless about ] just went to re-tagged the user page. Could you help to delete it? Thanks and best. --<small>] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup></small> 16:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
::I hope you are right. Apart from being quite funny, it means Misplaced Pages gets a free RFP testing service and everyone gets to watch if they can figure out how to find a method that works. ] (]) 09:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:*Hello again~! Please disregard the above, '''Boing! said Zebedee''' just beat you to it... and I bet he watches this page~! {{=)|grin}} Cheerio~! --<small>] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup></small> 16:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
== ] processing ==
There are a few talkpage archives still lingering. ] (]) 00:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
== Your comment on the Ken Sibanda page ==
:Good catch, zapped them all. Darn nonstandard talk page numbering. ] ] 01:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
This is not possible. I am merely raising the fact that Altfish80 is a sock puppet that was created to attack the page. Thanks, M <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Don'tknow what you mean by "this is not possible" but I was posting on your talk at the same time.please see my messagesthere. ] (]) 17:15, 28August2012 (UTC)
::Thanks for the quick fix! ] (]) 01:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
== ] ==
== Youreallycan ==
Why delete? There's a clear consensus that it exists, just not that it's notable. That's the perfect sort of situation for a redirect or merge. The only argument against a redirect or merge--it's not mentioned at the target--is a very surmountable problem. ATDs, by policy, should be prioritized over deletion, even when there's a strong consensus against retaining an article in its current form. ] (]) 02:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
If you haven't seen the post at ANI please take a look. Any objection to me indefinitely blocking him now? IMHO I think I can do this on my own without community approval, but... ] (]) 11:48, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
:Had a look, replied there, short answer is it has npthing to do with the terms established at the RFC. ] (]) 16:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
:@] {{tpw}} To be honest, I'm wondering why it was closed after there were two !votes that technically disagreed with each other instead of relisted. ] ] ] 04:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
== SPI case ==
::I feel like I tried to explain this when making the close. Despite the differing perspectives on what it meant, I did see a consensus that it was not notable and there were no sources. I do not believe that ] mandates that we ''must'' do a redirect in such circumstances. There's not really anything we can say without a single reliable source. The lack of reliable sourcing strongly suggests this is ], or at best almost totally unknown even to players otherwise familiar with canasta. ] ] 18:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:::If you want to infer that it's made up, then I recommend you do your own BEFORE-like search before making such a supposition the basis for any action. There used to be a strain of thought that would excoriate closers for doing this, but I strongly encourage it: I believe it's the best way to see for yourself whether the !votes are reasonable. As I noted in the AfD, I saw stuff with the "ponytal canasta" name in it all over the Internet: {{tq|A quick survey of google, gnews, and gbooks shows there are plenty of references to this to verify it exists, even though I see nothing to suggest it is notable.}} For example, shows that there are out-of-print scoresheets for this variant that were sold by and reviewed on Amazon as late as mid-2022. Definitely doesn't contribute to notability, but just as definitely shows--especially with all the other NN ghits--that this isn't MADEUP, even if I can't support any argument of notability. ] (]) 07:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one thing: an entry in an already notable article doesn't need an RS suitable for notability, just one able to satisfy V, which non-controversial SPS'es can do just fine. ] (]) 07:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
== UAA ==
Hi Beeb. It appears that ] may have resumed editing immediately after coming of his IP block. I am tempted to reblock, but I would like your input on this. You may find his particularly interesting. ] (]) 16:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Hey since you are around, can you check if the edits this was trying to make at UAA was a valid report? An user warned them on their talk page, but, like me, the user cannot actually see what the edits were and I have tried reporting some accounts before and being disallowed by a filter because the username was bad.<br>
:Oh dear. I actually declined one of those speedy nominations yeaterday without putting it together. When I see an IP edit its just a string of random numbers to me. Seems likely to me, but ] may have more info as the blocking admin. ] (]) 16:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
This is also the IP that made the extensive (unsigned) report that you just removed (so it's probably related to that...). – ] (]) (]) 19:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:Looks like they were trying to comment on that report and kept tripping multiple edit filters designed to stop LTAs. ] ] 19:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
== RAN ==
== Sexbeatrecords/now KryptonicChristine ==
Something you told to Richard Arthur Norton apparently gave him a very wrong impression of what consensus is. See ], specifically this comment by RAN: "''However we set time limits for debate and decision making here at Misplaced Pages. An administrator gave us three days of lock down to come up with consensus.''" You've mentioned it to him on {{revision link|509794541|ANI}}, and I appreciate that you did, but could you tell him directly? He still just does not get it.--''']''' ] 19:54, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
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I was going to remove the block, but she created a new account.......should we let it go? ] (]) 13:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
== suckpupeteer ==
:Argh. This person just does not listen to anything anyone tells them, but, to be fair, the ''initial'' notice I dropped on their talk page, which they may have finally actually read, said they could just create a new account, and I did say I was ok with an unblock. I'm exasperated, I don't think they are acting in bad faith, it's more like lack of clue and unwillingness to actually read and understand advice. I guess we just leave the old account blocked, you've already advised them that, for what that's worth, that creating a new one was a mistake. ] ] 18:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Not seen that before. A valuable addition to the language! ] 23:06, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
:Istronlypreferittothe term "sockmaster" which I think plays into the sockpupeteers image of themselvesasa clever genius circumventing WP with their brilliant plan. ] (]) 22:05, 4September2012 (UTC)
::Thanks, that was kinda my line of thinking. Argh indeed.... ] (]) 18:26, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
== Akittenforyou! ==
== Do you recall ... ==
Hi, Just Step Sideways. First, thank you for responding to my recent question of you as an Arb Committee candidate. I had wanted to ask it of all 12 candidates but found using the Source Editor question template so confusing that I ended up asking only CaptainEek and you, the first two candidates on the list. Then I had to give up in the interest of time, but I sent the voting commissioners a strong suggestion to make it easier for us to ask questions of candidates (preferably just asking Wiki's tekkies to make this possible in the Visual Editor instead of the bewildering Source Editor).
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Now I have an unusual request. Somewhere in the election messages I came across an exchange between you and someone else in which you were indirectly bemoaning the US election and saying something about waking up in the morning and fixing our country — to which the other editor said something about how amazing it would be for you to be able to do that. I know I'm not quoting accurately. But I found her (his?) comment so hilarious that I wanted to send a little token of my enjoyment. Do you remember that editor's name, or the general location of where that exchange took place so I can go find it?
Thank you for your Misplaced Pages help...
You got my vote for the committee, by the way. I really liked how you explained the issue of your having been penalized for whatever you did that got you in deep yogurt with the committee. You admitted you could have done things differently but had learned from that experience. That completely changed my original plan not to vote for you when I began reading about it. If there's any place in the world where learning from life is needed, it's here in Misplaced Pages! ] (]) 06:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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:Thanks. I'm afraid I don't recall the exchange you are referring to though. ] ] 19:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
== Userfy a deleted article ==
::"Such is life."
::Durn. It was such an amusing comment from the other editor. She (I think it was a she) said she'd give you a cappuccino or else that you deserved one if you could fix the country in the morning … ] (]) 20:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
:::]. Regards, ] (]) 22:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Oh, all the way back at the begining of ACE, that feels like a year ago now. ] ] 22:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::You mean it wasn't just a week or so ago? Maybe I missed that. ] (]) 01:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
::::THANK YOU, @newyorkbrad! ] (]) 05:34, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
== Deletion review for ] ==
Is there any way you can userfy ] to me? I know it's an old delete but just thought I try. — ] 02:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
An editor has asked for ] of ]. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.<!-- Template:DRV notice --> ] (]) 00:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}. Now at ] ] (]) 03:53, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
:::Thanks. I don't think there's anything worth salvaging but I couldn't remember. — ] 05:09, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
== December music ==
== Formal mediation has been requested ==
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November was rich in sadness and happiness for me, expressed in ]. Today is the last day for the election of arbitrators. Regarding my question to candidates like you, I found one so far who looked into the matter and didn't stay at the surface, ]. There are two composers on the Main page today, ] and ]. I find the response of my friend ] to a question on Copland's article talk promising. What do you think? -- ] (]) 08:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
] comes from a DYK about a concert that fascinated me, and you can listen! For my taste, the hook has too little music - I miss the unusual scoring and the specific dedication - but it comes instead with a name good for viewcount. I'd still like to know what you think about the Copland posts. --] (]) 16:21, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
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On the Main page today ] on his birthday. Listening to Beethoven's ] from the ]. We ] today. --] (]) 20:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Listen today to the (new) ]. --] (]) 10:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
I like your return to the well-known name. --] (]) 21:37, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:Totally my fault, I failed to anticipate that people would just start calling me "JSS" and I just did not care for that. I did make a new signature with another pop culture reference in it though. This time a bit less obscure. ] ] 21:40, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:: That, however, is an area I am blind for. I'm quite happy that my real name is short enough to be useful, and while I accumulated dirt associated with it it never became enough for me to make me think about a change. --] (]) 21:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:: Listen today to ]'s 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the ] when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with ], because he was on my ] this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --] (]) 16:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:: I come to fix the cellist's name, with ] and new pics - look for red birds --] (]) 17:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
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==AfD on Parents Worship Day==
Can you describe which comment convinced you that the article should be kept? I only see the canvassed small accounts spamming the routine coverage by the ] sources which is unhelpful when it comes to making claims about notability. ] (]) 11:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:I said I did not see a consensus to delete it, not that I personally believed it should be kept. ] ] 19:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::But there was consensus to delete it since all of the established editors either voiced for delete or merge/redirect. Those who voiced for keeping the article were all SPAs or canvassed editors with no prior participation in AfDs. ] (]) 03:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I don't agree with that assessment. ] ] 03:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
== comment on site ban request ==
Regarding ]: given ] and the immediately following one, it seems that the editor is just following through with their announced plans due to their discontent on having editing restrictions. ] (]) 22:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:I missed that at the time, but I am very aware of his yearly tradition of asking each January for restrictions to be lifted. I still think vanishing would be a viable option though.
:I've seen the "block me or I'll do something to make you block me" approach a few times and I just think it's a really bad move. The user often comes back later like "ok I'm over it now, let me back in" and the answer is always a firm no. ] ] 22:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
::It comes a bit too close to suggesting a clean start for my taste. But in any case, the point was that it doesn't sound like someone who's primarily concerned about being unable to stop editing. ] (]) 22:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
== ACE2040 ==
I'm really sorry they didn't let you back on the committee - it proves how short sighted the electorate is. Nevertheless you're still an admin and that's important for one with your experience, so don't let the result put you off from trying again next year. The overall results will come as a relief for many, but WP has its first non-admin arb and at least one or two with very little admin experience. There will be a lot of talk about this result. It proves again that with so few contenders it's ''relatively'' too easy to get a seat - all but 2 got a pass mark. IMO it's time to either redesign the electoral system or chuck the whole Arbcom thing out and replace it with something else. There is a better gender balance this time, but it remains to be seen which of them will be around when they are needed. ] (]) 00:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks. While I'm obviously disappointed, I'm also pretty ok with it as the three top vote-getters are all people I am thrilled to see on the committee. Liz got NYB numbers, that's a hell of a mandate. I ran because the committee seemed to be in crisis and needed help, I'm now confident it will get that help.
:It does concern me to once again see neutral non-votes be a clear deciding factor for some candidates. I'm not sure why the solution is to that. I also don't think Daniel not being an admin at this exact moment is really big news as he can have his tools back any time he wants them. ] ] 01:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::I think there would have been a lot of tactical voting that affected the results. When I vote on such secret poll elections I vote only for the candidate(s) I want and usually neutral all the others - if I feel very strongly I might oppose one. At the end of the day, with the exception of your score, the rest of the result was for a fairly reasonable (one hopes) committee - if they fully understand the tasks and workload that awaits them. ] (]) 03:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
==Code AFDs==
Hello, Beebs,
I didn't know what to do with all of those Code AFDs because the one participant in the discussion argued "Merge or transwiki" but didn't provide a merge target article or explain what transwiki involved. I've closed thousands of AFDs but this is a new one for me, what is involved with a "transwiki"? Thank you for any knowledge you can share. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup>
: is copying or importing an article to another wiki. It was more common in the early days. It's certainly not a normal AFD result, and to me it seems like we probably shouldn't do it unless whatever wiki it is targeted to actually ''wants'' it. My hope is that relisting them goes somewhere more conclusive, but it may be a longshot. ] ] 05:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:I saw those, relisted one and then went oh hell, no. Thanks JSS for the context on transwiki as I was similarly not clear. Hope to be more helpful in the AfD queue in the new year @]. ] ] 01:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
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:I'm quite pleased that it resolved the way it did. Mike's generally ok, and I've even met him in real life. I did not want the matter to escalate, and we wouldn't see nearly as much escalation if more admins were willing to call out things like overzealous blocking. ] (]) 00:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
::I've come to think that one of the most important qualities in an admin is the ability to say "{{xt|Hands up, I screwed up, I was wrong, sorry}}". A lot of high drama, and a desysop or two, has been caused by that not happening. Similarly, a lot of people seem to like the "" at ANI when an admin is brought forward for screwing up in some manner, and people lose their heads and shout for a desysop and ban for a spelling mistake. ] ] ] 11:05, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I've often said that everyone makes mistakes, it is what they do after that is the real test of their character. Some people let their ego get in their way and just dig in, even when everyone agrees they were in the wrong. I saw that more than once in my time on the committee. It's painful to watch. ] ] 20:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
==Beebs==
Hello, Beeblebrox,
I was getting used to JSS but, personally, you'll always be Beeblebrox to me and I'm happy that you returned to your original username. As for El Beeblerino? Well, give me a little more time, please. ;-) <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 22:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:It's kind of a joke based on how people were abbreviating my name to JSS. I probably won't keep the sig very long but the idea made me laugh. ] ] 22:44, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
::Your new signature gave me a good chuckle :) Fun to see you back as Beeblebrox...now I can keep thinking about good 'ol ] everytime I see your username. ] <sup>]</sup>] 03:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:::All the cool kids' names start with El: myself, the ineffable name of God, others I'm sure... ] 15:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:Oooh, I didn't know that you could also change your username back to your old one! TIL. Some gaming and social media platforms don't let you reuse previously used names. — ] ] 02:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks all. I actually first tried to change in six years ago when ] died, but at that time users with as many edits as I have couldn't be renamed at all. By the time that changed I was on ArbCom and I didn't think ti would be kosher for a sitting arb to change their name so I sat on it until I wasn't on the committee anymore. I wasn't actually sure myself if I could change it back, and was pleasantly surprised when it turned out to be possible. ] ] 02:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
== Username block question ==
Strange question, maybe (and for any talk page stalkers, completely unrelated to the current AN thread) - but I've seen a non-zero number of accounts warned/blocked for having usernames that referenced fictional organizations. (Think Strexcorp from ], or Pym Industries from the ] comics, or Pokemon characters). No spamming, at least not that I could see with my mortal eyes. Username policy has never really interested me, but this is pretty obviously an area you're experienced in- are these kinds of blocks/warnings in line with current policy/practice? If not, have they ever been? ] (]) 01:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:I believe the well known test case for this was ], which sure ''looks like'' a real organization, but is not. ] is the relevant policy section, and it rightly makes no mention of blocking names that are fictional or made up organizations.
:Part of the issue is that a lot of people who warn users for their names are not well-versed in the ins and outs of what is and is not blockable. It's pretty much a daily issue at ]. The standard is that the name clearly represents a real organization. This is usually easily established by the user making edits that make the connection clear. While we can't expect everyone to get every single pop culture reference, just kind of looking like it might be the name of an organization is not sufficient reason to either warn or block. At most a person could ask "is this the name of a real organization?" in a case where there are no edits to make that clear. ] ] 01:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, that's interesting, thank you! I love test cases - funnily enough, I'm actually a username test case-ish on the Swedish Misplaced Pages. . (What I find more interesting, though, is that the admin who blocked me literally has a userpage of the erroneous blocks they made, complete with reflections and links to apologies . With all the conversations we've been having about admin accountability, a page like this is fascinating to read. Or, at least, it is to me.)
::But no, this conversation was educational, thank you. I know people who do warnings and reports may not always know policies, but I've seen enough cases where an admin actually followed through on the block that I was wondering if it was an accepted course of action. Thanks again, ] (]) 06:20, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
== The Student Room question ==
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Hi there, Sorry I had been on offline for the last couple of weeks and just seen today the decision to delete The Student Room page: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Student_Room
Hi Beeblebrox, I wasn't aware that there was already a discussion going on at AN, must have missed that one completely. Would you mind me merging the thread you closed at ANI into the AN discussion? The 1RR proposal would have to get admin approval anyway so why not have a subsection at the relevant AN discussion. ] (]) 18:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
:I wouldn't mind if you merged them. ] (]) 18:56, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
::Thank you, will do. ] (]) 18:57, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
I have a declared COI with The Student Room and had been trying to propose an overhaul to that page as it was very poor. I do disagree that The Student Room itself doesn't seem to meet ] or ] - which I believe is demonstrated on the draft page on my sandbox - https://en.wikipedia.org/User:ChrisN_at_The_Student_Room/sandbox
== Protection on Goodreads article ==
The Student Room has been an important UK website for over 20yrs, with 6 million monthly users, 75M posts and is basically the only UK student community website. It has done much work with UK government, politicians and UK universities and is quoted widely. I'm sorry I wasn't around to point this out whilst it was up for deletion.
Hi! I noticed you put an edit block on the Goodreads article because it was turning into a revision war, and I'm glad you noticed it so soon. I was actually just looking for the process of reporting a revision war. I just wanted to ask if it's possible for you to either revert to my previous copy of the article or to remove the controversy section entirely. I'd originally added it because the controversy had gotten some coverage and it resulted in the changing of several of the rules on the site as far as reviews go. I'd like to keep it in there in as neutral a fashion as possible, but if it's going to just cause drama then I'd just as soon not have it at all. In any case, the current article revision lacks reliable sources and looks to be biased towards the side of the side of the sites that are against the negative reviewers. I don't really have an opinion either way, but I would like it to be more neutral than what it currently is like. Could you compare the two versions and make a decision as to whether it should be changed to my version or otherwise deleted? The current article state is atrocious.] (]) 18:35, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Would you object to me submitting my sandbox page for consideration as a new page for The Student Room? or how would you suggest I approach this please? I believe contacting the deleting editor is what I am supposed to do in this circumstance, so I hope that is OK.
:I'm afraid the short answer is probably not. Per ], protection usually means just protecting whatever version is currently on the page. (for a more lighthearted description of the same issue see . Admins do not make rulings in content disputes and have no special authority over article content. What is needed is for a consensus to be established as to how the article will deal with these issues. If you don't feel the two of you can work that out ] is a good first step in informal ]. I see you have already tried to engage the other user in discussion, hopefully that along woth the protection will help resolve the situation. ] (]) 18:55, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
:*The biggest problem so far is that the other user, although well intentioned, is new and unaware of how notability of persons is established and neutrality. I'd really, really appreciate it if you could keep an eye on the conversation between the two of us. I would prefer that we not have to go to dispute resolution but I doubt that we will be seeing eye to eye on this so I'm also going to put in for a third opinion.] (]) 19:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Many thanks ] (]) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
==One question added after your vote==
Thanks much for voting. When we put the RfC together, one thing we were all agreed on was that it should run a week, so that it didn't take too much time away from more central questions ... but we decided not to put that in the RfC, I think because we didn't want to force a cutoff in the middle of a good debate. At this point, I've ], if you'd like to vote on that one too. - Dank (]) 15:20, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
:If you submit it through ] I think that would be fine. ] ] 19:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
==Re Penyulap==
::Ah great. Will give that a go. Thank you! ] (]) 10:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm not able to post on Penyulap's talk, but please see . ] | ] 09:44, 7 September 2012 (UTC).
== AN ==
== AfD Close ==
Hi there, Beeblebrox. I think you might have accidentally placed a period inside the wikilinks to the redirect on ]. Cheers, ] (]) 00:04, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi. Disappointed to see you closed the discussion (request for moratorium) and suggested a RfC. Perhaps my opening statement wasn't clear, but I wasn't asking for a random admin to just declare "moratorium imposed", I was hoping there could be a bit of discussion by some uninvolved parties (admins and non-admins) and they could come to a consensus on whether a moratorium would be useful. The community has the authority to do this and AN is a central noticeboard, not an admin only area. To suggest a RfC, which would be along the lines of "well, we have this RfC over here where we can't get consensus, so I'd like to have a 30-day discussion (usually longer) to see if we shouldn't move these articles until we get a community consensus on the issue", is pretty ridiculous. Surely it's common sense, but try telling that to those involved. As for AN3, of course no one has technically edit warred (these are all experienced and intelligent editors), and a report there would just end in walls of text with no result. In addition, these editors just need a clear cut warning along the lines of "do this and you will be blocked, whatever your justification", something un-wikilawyerable, and they will stop. I'm WP:INVOLVED and unable to make these calls (plus, as you've noted at AN, it's not really something a single admin should be doing), and of course no uninvolved admins want to wade into the mess (can't blame them). Can you please repoen the AN discussion? P.S. – been meaning to say this for a while, but I thought your close of the Ivory Coast RM was excellent and tough break about the RfB. Cheers, ] (]) 13:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
:{{fixed}} Good catch, and of course since I was using the XFD closer it screwed up the actual redirect too. ] ] 00:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:The thing is, AN is explicitly ''not'' the place for settling content disputes. The discussion got very long very fast but the majority of it was the same already involved parties just continuing their argument. The remainder of the remarks were me and one other admin trying to explain that there is no mandate for us to do anything. Without a consensus, there is simply no basis for an admin to do anything here, and that conversation was clearly not helping.
== A barnstar for you! ==
:Some thoughts on how to proceed:
:*] is usually a bit faster than RFC, maybe they could help.
:*Or a time limited-RFC. I agree that thirty days is probably not warranted for such a discussion, but the RFC framework is not set in stone, it can be modified as the situation warrants.
:*I am generally the last person on the world to suggest this, but this may even be that rare case where a poll is appropriate. Since the goal is not to resolve the content dispute but to calm things down so that it ''can'' be resolved, a time-limited poll (say five days or a week) to establish the moratorium would give admins the consensus that is needed to enforce any such moratorium, and the poll structure would hopefully discourage the involved parties from posting walls of text.
:To be honest I wasn't going to formally close it, I pretty much marked it with {{tl|NOTHERE}} and was ready to be done with it, but then I saw on my watchlist that LittleBen was going back in and posting, not new remarks at the bottom but modifications to ''remarks he already made that had already been replied to''. Rather than have another argument with him it seemed best to just shut the whole thing down.
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:Thanks. I haven't worked unblock requests in a while. and .... well let's just say it didn't work like this in the past. I had assumed that the problem was that most of them weren't being reviewed at all, turns out many if not most have a discussion, often involving multiple admins, but no resolution that ends with the appeal being either accepted or declined. It's bizarre. ] ] 20:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:Oh, the Ivory Coast move. For me that served as a big reminder to keep it short and sweet when trying to explain a close. If you give too many details, people will jump all over them and look for the most sinister interpretation of them they can. It was funny actually, I was at a talk at Wikimania, less than a week later, where the presenter mentioned that nobody cites IAR anymore. Afterword several of us were discussing how he didn't get that admins ''use'' IAR all the time, we've just learned not to say so because it makes people go crazy. Thanks for your condolences on the RFB, but really, being told "you're too decisive we want someone more boring" is about the nicest rejection I've ever gotten. I obviously had not realized it, but if boring is what the community wants from crats I probably would not be a good one. I thought they wanted competence and a record of good judgement. Mu mistake. They want competence and no judgement, good or bad. What amused me is that I said right out that I would not answer what has long been the stupidest part of RFB: being asked to re-examine 10-15 old RFAs and say what you wpuld have done. A few people were really bothered by that, but then when 28bytes ran right after me, nobody tried that with him either. I basically count that as a win, we got a new crat and they weren't subjected to the usual hazing. Ok, you caught me just after getting up and clearly I am feeling a nit refelctive this morning and have now posted my own wall-o-text. Coffee time. ] (]) 18:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
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:I don't know how big of an ask this is, but could you maybe consider IAR{{Efn|I have no policy-based reason to mass-undo somebody's edits, especially now BANREVERT no longer applies, and nor do I have the clout to get away with it}} and rollbacking their article-space edits post unblock? I've spent the past hour combing my way through some of their additions to ], but given the close paraphrasing, the poor sourcing (check the history and you'll see I'm finding lots of material that was copied from one source and cited to another), could you maybe undo them before their edits get too embedded in the page history? If not, no worries, I'll try and spend the next month cleaning up after today's edits. It'll suck, but I mean, hey, it's not ], right? ] (]) 08:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::He really went for it, didn't he? Some people... Anyway, looks like a good bit of it has already been dealt with, but I think the risk here is high enough to just restore to versions from before yesterday in most cases. ] ] 20:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh, gosh yeah. Some people just suffer from serious cases of not understanding the problems they cause. It's frustrating, too, because it's always users in good faith causing these issues... but I suppose I don't have the power to save anybody from themselves. Thanks for doing the restorations! ] (]) 23:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Those edit summaries saying "undid revision because my account is unblocked" was all I needed to see. That's a new one on me. I think this is a ] case. ] ] 23:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I think in this particular instance, they thought it was okay because their old edits had been removed under BANREVERT. Not a great idea, as it turns out, but as a maths person who suffers from chronic black and white thinking, I get the logic of "These were removed because X. X no longer applies. Therefore I can restore them". ] (]) 23:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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* Ah! I guess not, seeing you've reverted. ] (]) 18:12, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
:::Been editing with an iPad. When looking at a list of changes sometimes a lot of links are close together, all I meant to do was look at the diff but the iPad thought my finger was on the "rollback as vandalism" link. ] (]) 18:14, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
:::* I spent some time on holiday a fortnight ago with a (much cheaper) 7" slab for company and several times thought my fingers / the unresponsive little screen were on the brink of putting some grotesque tag onto an article. ] (]) 18:20, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
I was planning on unblocking Emdad Tafsir today (i.e., a few days after I ] on his talk page). If your goal is to clear the backlog, you should work on cases that other admins aren't actively handling. ] (]/]) 03:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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That looks inviting! - I uploaded pics of a trip that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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I just think it would be better for everyone if this just ended now instead of going on for a full week. It's probably in his own best interest to pull the plug now. Just Step Sideways23:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
And you think he's not able to see what's going on and decide for himself, and needs you to give advice (masquerading as a question), because ...? Floquenbeam (talk) 23:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Nevermind. I'm just disappointed in almost everyone around here these days; I'm not sure why I thought that wouldn't be true of you too. Consider it a rhetorical question. Floquenbeam (talk) 23:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
I'll cop to it being a suggestion inside of a question. I'm not sure Graham has been honest with himself, based on comments I have seen him making, and this was an attempt to nudge him in that direction, not to kick him when he's down, but I can see how it could come off that way. Just Step Sideways00:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
I agree, that was an utterly pointless and mean "question". If you want to say he should withdraw, just tell him he should elsewhere in the discussion or on his Talk—you're not earnestly asking if he's considered it. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 02:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hello, Just Step Sideways, and hello@Star Mississippi (who had kindly relisted the page)
Can I ask you to kindly undo your close of that AfD about film, please? There's not even one Delete !vote on that page.....and the nominator has asked for sources... that were provided (at AfD and on the page; it was vastly improved....(by me, fwiw)). Nor the nominator nor @Dclemens1971, who had !voted Redirect (which had been the outcome of a first close, see TP where I asked Star Mississippi to relist it), have responded to new sources (added twice), true but that should not be considered a reason for deletion. At the very very least please consider a relist. Whatever your reading of the page is, it is absolutely impossible to consider there is a consensus to delete at all. Your closing statement does not indicate any reason for your decision, so I am assuming it is a mistake. Thank you in advance. -Mushy Yank. 00:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
You are correct, I didn't mean to close that AFD at all. I was very confused for a minute there because an AFD I thought I had closed was still open and I couldn't figure out why. I clicked on the wrong one, I guess from scrolling too fast. I'll fix it now. Just Step Sideways00:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
When I'm closing AFDs I have the log for the whole day open, with only still-open discussions displayed, and there were two similarly long ones back-to-back. Not that it is anything but my fault but I assume that's how it happened. Just Step Sideways01:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Why the name change?
Beeblebrox is a name I vaguely recall, and respect, though I don't think our areas of WP interest overlap much. Why have you changed it? Maproom (talk) 09:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
I had been contemplating it for some time. When I first registered this account, people, including myself, were generally unaware of best practices for online security. So we did things like name our account after one pet and use the other one's name as the password. Sadly, my cat Zaphod Beeblebrox passsed on some time ago. And I've been a longtime fan, due to my wife, of The Fall and since the death of Mark E. Smith I'de been contemplating a new username based on a fall song, so I went twith one of my favorites. Just Step Sideways01:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your explanation! I once observed an editor who changed his username as part of the process of standing for some official WP role. I'm reassured to know that you're not up to any such thing. Maproom (talk) 11:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
At the time I changed it I did not anticipate ever running for ArbCom again, but after watching the committee struggle this past year I decided I'd run again. Just Step Sideways20:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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Thank you for standing for arbitrator. I am far away from it all (travel, mourning), not in the mood, so just an informal question you can answer or ignore:
I don't think that thread is ready for closure. Maybe the immediate issue has been dealt with, but (per my comment a short while ago) it's a sign of a broader problem that really needs to be dealt with—the conflict's been dragging on for years, and if it isn't addressed, someday it's going to result in a block or desysop, which is the worst possible outcome for everyone. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
I guess I think, given the various mitigating factors, that nothing concrete was going to come of this. The egregious personal attack and the confusion/lack of information regarding the supressed content make it extremely unlikely. Technically, no discussion should be had, ever, on-wiki regarding supressed content. Just Step Sideways22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Perhaps that's true for the wheel-warring/suppression, but the point I was trying to make in my comment was that the problem goes well beyond the most recent incident—and I think that point deserves engagement rather than a closure 20 minutes later. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
I see the diffs you posted, but even without them, it is obvious to anyone who just read that single thread that these two don't get along and have not for some time. Absent any sort of explicit proposal I'm afraid I really don't see the point. Just Step Sideways22:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
I thought about leaving Tercer a first-and-only NPA warning for the message they left shortly before you closed that although if I were an admin, it would have been enough for me to block them. You're obviously right that a discussion needs to happen but I can't imagine it going anywhere as long one editor feels comfortable telling another "you don't know anything" and whatever else. Thoughts? City of Silver21:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
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Regarding the deletion of Timeline of UFOs, shortly after the AfD was initiated it was moved from Timeline of Ufology (see here). The latter article has not been deleted, and even retains the original AfD notice. Probably a 'feature' of the Misplaced Pages deletion software, but it and its Talk page also need to be deleted. Thanks. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 02:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
I hope you are right. Apart from being quite funny, it means Misplaced Pages gets a free RFP testing service and everyone gets to watch if they can figure out how to find a method that works. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Why delete? There's a clear consensus that it exists, just not that it's notable. That's the perfect sort of situation for a redirect or merge. The only argument against a redirect or merge--it's not mentioned at the target--is a very surmountable problem. ATDs, by policy, should be prioritized over deletion, even when there's a strong consensus against retaining an article in its current form. Jclemens (talk) 02:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
I feel like I tried to explain this when making the close. Despite the differing perspectives on what it meant, I did see a consensus that it was not notable and there were no sources. I do not believe that ATD mandates that we must do a redirect in such circumstances. There's not really anything we can say without a single reliable source. The lack of reliable sourcing strongly suggests this is MADEUP, or at best almost totally unknown even to players otherwise familiar with canasta. Just Step Sideways18:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
If you want to infer that it's made up, then I recommend you do your own BEFORE-like search before making such a supposition the basis for any action. There used to be a strain of thought that would excoriate closers for doing this, but I strongly encourage it: I believe it's the best way to see for yourself whether the !votes are reasonable. As I noted in the AfD, I saw stuff with the "ponytal canasta" name in it all over the Internet: A quick survey of google, gnews, and gbooks shows there are plenty of references to this to verify it exists, even though I see nothing to suggest it is notable. For example, This shows that there are out-of-print scoresheets for this variant that were sold by and reviewed on Amazon as late as mid-2022. Definitely doesn't contribute to notability, but just as definitely shows--especially with all the other NN ghits--that this isn't MADEUP, even if I can't support any argument of notability. Jclemens (talk) 07:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Oh, and one thing: an entry in an already notable article doesn't need an RS suitable for notability, just one able to satisfy V, which non-controversial SPS'es can do just fine. Jclemens (talk) 07:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hey since you are around, can you check if the edits this this ip was trying to make at UAA was a valid report? An user warned them on their talk page, but, like me, the user cannot actually see what the edits were and I have tried reporting some accounts before and being disallowed by a filter because the username was bad.
This is also the IP that made the extensive (unsigned) report that you just removed (so it's probably related to that...). – 2804:F1...1F:8749 (::/32) (talk) 19:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Argh. This person just does not listen to anything anyone tells them, but, to be fair, the initial notice I dropped on their talk page, which they may have finally actually read, said they could just create a new account, and I did say I was ok with an unblock. I'm exasperated, I don't think they are acting in bad faith, it's more like lack of clue and unwillingness to actually read and understand advice. I guess we just leave the old account blocked, you've already advised them that, for what that's worth, that creating a new one was a mistake. Just Step Sideways18:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi, Just Step Sideways. First, thank you for responding to my recent question of you as an Arb Committee candidate. I had wanted to ask it of all 12 candidates but found using the Source Editor question template so confusing that I ended up asking only CaptainEek and you, the first two candidates on the list. Then I had to give up in the interest of time, but I sent the voting commissioners a strong suggestion to make it easier for us to ask questions of candidates (preferably just asking Wiki's tekkies to make this possible in the Visual Editor instead of the bewildering Source Editor).
Now I have an unusual request. Somewhere in the election messages I came across an exchange between you and someone else in which you were indirectly bemoaning the US election and saying something about waking up in the morning and fixing our country — to which the other editor said something about how amazing it would be for you to be able to do that. I know I'm not quoting accurately. But I found her (his?) comment so hilarious that I wanted to send a little token of my enjoyment. Do you remember that editor's name, or the general location of where that exchange took place so I can go find it?
You got my vote for the committee, by the way. I really liked how you explained the issue of your having been penalized for whatever you did that got you in deep yogurt with the committee. You admitted you could have done things differently but had learned from that experience. That completely changed my original plan not to vote for you when I began reading about it. If there's any place in the world where learning from life is needed, it's here in Misplaced Pages! Augnablik (talk) 06:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
Durn. It was such an amusing comment from the other editor. She (I think it was a she) said she'd give you a cappuccino or else that you deserved one if you could fix the country in the morning … Augnablik (talk) 20:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
November was rich in sadness and happiness for me, expressed in music. Today is the last day for the election of arbitrators. Regarding my question to candidates like you, I found one so far who looked into the matter and didn't stay at the surface, Simonm223. There are two composers on the Main page today, Siegfried Thiele and Aaron Copland. I find the response of my friend Jerome Kohl to a question on Copland's article talk promising. What do you think? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Today's story comes from a DYK about a concert that fascinated me, and you can listen! For my taste, the hook has too little music - I miss the unusual scoring and the specific dedication - but it comes instead with a name good for viewcount. I'd still like to know what you think about the Copland posts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Totally my fault, I failed to anticipate that people would just start calling me "JSS" and I just did not care for that. I did make a new signature with another pop culture reference in it though. This time a bit less obscure. El Beeblerino21:40, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
That, however, is an area I am blind for. I'm quite happy that my real name is short enough to be useful, and while I accumulated dirt associated with it it never became enough for me to make me think about a change. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
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Can you describe which comment convinced you that the article should be kept? I only see the canvassed small accounts spamming the routine coverage by the WP:NEWSORGINDIA sources which is unhelpful when it comes to making claims about notability. CharlesWain (talk) 11:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
But there was consensus to delete it since all of the established editors either voiced for delete or merge/redirect. Those who voiced for keeping the article were all SPAs or canvassed editors with no prior participation in AfDs. CharlesWain (talk) 03:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
I missed that at the time, but I am very aware of his yearly tradition of asking each January for restrictions to be lifted. I still think vanishing would be a viable option though.
I've seen the "block me or I'll do something to make you block me" approach a few times and I just think it's a really bad move. The user often comes back later like "ok I'm over it now, let me back in" and the answer is always a firm no. Just Step Sideways22:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
It comes a bit too close to suggesting a clean start for my taste. But in any case, the point was that it doesn't sound like someone who's primarily concerned about being unable to stop editing. isaacl (talk) 22:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
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I'm really sorry they didn't let you back on the committee - it proves how short sighted the electorate is. Nevertheless you're still an admin and that's important for one with your experience, so don't let the result put you off from trying again next year. The overall results will come as a relief for many, but WP has its first non-admin arb and at least one or two with very little admin experience. There will be a lot of talk about this result. It proves again that with so few contenders it's relatively too easy to get a seat - all but 2 got a pass mark. IMO it's time to either redesign the electoral system or chuck the whole Arbcom thing out and replace it with something else. There is a better gender balance this time, but it remains to be seen which of them will be around when they are needed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. While I'm obviously disappointed, I'm also pretty ok with it as the three top vote-getters are all people I am thrilled to see on the committee. Liz got NYB numbers, that's a hell of a mandate. I ran because the committee seemed to be in crisis and needed help, I'm now confident it will get that help.
It does concern me to once again see neutral non-votes be a clear deciding factor for some candidates. I'm not sure why the solution is to that. I also don't think Daniel not being an admin at this exact moment is really big news as he can have his tools back any time he wants them. Just Step Sideways01:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
I think there would have been a lot of tactical voting that affected the results. When I vote on such secret poll elections I vote only for the candidate(s) I want and usually neutral all the others - if I feel very strongly I might oppose one. At the end of the day, with the exception of your score, the rest of the result was for a fairly reasonable (one hopes) committee - if they fully understand the tasks and workload that awaits them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Code AFDs
Hello, Beebs,
I didn't know what to do with all of those Code AFDs because the one participant in the discussion argued "Merge or transwiki" but didn't provide a merge target article or explain what transwiki involved. I've closed thousands of AFDs but this is a new one for me, what is involved with a "transwiki"? Thank you for any knowledge you can share. Liz
Transwiki is copying or importing an article to another wiki. It was more common in the early days. It's certainly not a normal AFD result, and to me it seems like we probably shouldn't do it unless whatever wiki it is targeted to actually wants it. My hope is that relisting them goes somewhere more conclusive, but it may be a longshot. Just Step Sideways05:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
I saw those, relisted one and then went oh hell, no. Thanks JSS for the context on transwiki as I was similarly not clear. Hope to be more helpful in the AfD queue in the new year @Liz. StarMississippi01:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
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If all admins and arbs were as sage as this WP wouldn't need ignoble venues such as Arbcom and RECALL. Every busy admin lives under a Sword of Damocles and when it falls the baby is often thrown out with the bathwater. Thank you again for being a constant voice of reason. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:42, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm quite pleased that it resolved the way it did. Mike's generally ok, and I've even met him in real life. I did not want the matter to escalate, and we wouldn't see nearly as much escalation if more admins were willing to call out things like overzealous blocking. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
I've come to think that one of the most important qualities in an admin is the ability to say "Hands up, I screwed up, I was wrong, sorry". A lot of high drama, and a desysop or two, has been caused by that not happening. Similarly, a lot of people seem to like the "thrill of the chase" at ANI when an admin is brought forward for screwing up in some manner, and people lose their heads and shout for a desysop and ban for a spelling mistake. Ritchie33311:05, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
I've often said that everyone makes mistakes, it is what they do after that is the real test of their character. Some people let their ego get in their way and just dig in, even when everyone agrees they were in the wrong. I saw that more than once in my time on the committee. It's painful to watch. El Beeblerino20:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Beebs
Hello, Beeblebrox,
I was getting used to JSS but, personally, you'll always be Beeblebrox to me and I'm happy that you returned to your original username. As for El Beeblerino? Well, give me a little more time, please. ;-) Liz22:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
It's kind of a joke based on how people were abbreviating my name to JSS. I probably won't keep the sig very long but the idea made me laugh. El Beeblerino22:44, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Your new signature gave me a good chuckle :) Fun to see you back as Beeblebrox...now I can keep thinking about good 'ol Zaphod everytime I see your username. CaptainEek⚓03:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Oooh, I didn't know that you could also change your username back to your old one! TIL. Some gaming and social media platforms don't let you reuse previously used names. — AP 499D25(talk)02:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks all. I actually first tried to change in six years ago when Mark E. Smith died, but at that time users with as many edits as I have couldn't be renamed at all. By the time that changed I was on ArbCom and I didn't think ti would be kosher for a sitting arb to change their name so I sat on it until I wasn't on the committee anymore. I wasn't actually sure myself if I could change it back, and was pleasantly surprised when it turned out to be possible. El Beeblerino02:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Username block question
Strange question, maybe (and for any talk page stalkers, completely unrelated to the current AN thread) - but I've seen a non-zero number of accounts warned/blocked for having usernames that referenced fictional organizations. (Think Strexcorp from Welcome to Nightvale, or Pym Industries from the Ant-Man comics, or Pokemon characters). No spamming, at least not that I could see with my mortal eyes. Username policy has never really interested me, but this is pretty obviously an area you're experienced in- are these kinds of blocks/warnings in line with current policy/practice? If not, have they ever been? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 01:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I believe the well known test case for this was Bronx Discount Liquor, which sure looks like a real organization, but is not. ORGNAME is the relevant policy section, and it rightly makes no mention of blocking names that are fictional or made up organizations.
Part of the issue is that a lot of people who warn users for their names are not well-versed in the ins and outs of what is and is not blockable. It's pretty much a daily issue at UAA. The standard is that the name clearly represents a real organization. This is usually easily established by the user making edits that make the connection clear. While we can't expect everyone to get every single pop culture reference, just kind of looking like it might be the name of an organization is not sufficient reason to either warn or block. At most a person could ask "is this the name of a real organization?" in a case where there are no edits to make that clear. El Beeblerino01:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh, that's interesting, thank you! I love test cases - funnily enough, I'm actually a username test case-ish on the Swedish Misplaced Pages. . (What I find more interesting, though, is that the admin who blocked me literally has a userpage of the erroneous blocks they made, complete with reflections and links to apologies . With all the conversations we've been having about admin accountability, a page like this is fascinating to read. Or, at least, it is to me.)
But no, this conversation was educational, thank you. I know people who do warnings and reports may not always know policies, but I've seen enough cases where an admin actually followed through on the block that I was wondering if it was an accepted course of action. Thanks again, GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 06:20, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I have a declared COI with The Student Room and had been trying to propose an overhaul to that page as it was very poor. I do disagree that The Student Room itself doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:NWEB - which I believe is demonstrated on the draft page on my sandbox - https://en.wikipedia.org/User:ChrisN_at_The_Student_Room/sandbox
The Student Room has been an important UK website for over 20yrs, with 6 million monthly users, 75M posts and is basically the only UK student community website. It has done much work with UK government, politicians and UK universities and is quoted widely. I'm sorry I wasn't around to point this out whilst it was up for deletion.
Would you object to me submitting my sandbox page for consideration as a new page for The Student Room? or how would you suggest I approach this please? I believe contacting the deleting editor is what I am supposed to do in this circumstance, so I hope that is OK.
Thanks. I haven't worked unblock requests in a while. and .... well let's just say it didn't work like this in the past. I had assumed that the problem was that most of them weren't being reviewed at all, turns out many if not most have a discussion, often involving multiple admins, but no resolution that ends with the appeal being either accepted or declined. It's bizarre. El Beeblerino20:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
I don't know how big of an ask this is, but could you maybe consider IAR and rollbacking their article-space edits post unblock? I've spent the past hour combing my way through some of their additions to Jassa Singh Ahluwalia, but given the close paraphrasing, the poor sourcing (check the history and you'll see I'm finding lots of material that was copied from one source and cited to another), could you maybe undo them before their edits get too embedded in the page history? If not, no worries, I'll try and spend the next month cleaning up after today's edits. It'll suck, but I mean, hey, it's not the worst copyright unblock ever, right? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
He really went for it, didn't he? Some people... Anyway, looks like a good bit of it has already been dealt with, but I think the risk here is high enough to just restore to versions from before yesterday in most cases. El Beeblerino20:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh, gosh yeah. Some people just suffer from serious cases of not understanding the problems they cause. It's frustrating, too, because it's always users in good faith causing these issues... but I suppose I don't have the power to save anybody from themselves. Thanks for doing the restorations! GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 23:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Those edit summaries saying "undid revision because my account is unblocked" was all I needed to see. That's a new one on me. I think this is a CIR case. El Beeblerino23:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
I think in this particular instance, they thought it was okay because their old edits had been removed under BANREVERT. Not a great idea, as it turns out, but as a maths person who suffers from chronic black and white thinking, I get the logic of "These were removed because X. X no longer applies. Therefore I can restore them". GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 23:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
I have no policy-based reason to mass-undo somebody's edits, especially now BANREVERT no longer applies, and nor do I have the clout to get away with it
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