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| AGK, you blocked ] for sock/meat. Could you look at the discussion on ] (yes, beware of ]) - personally, I'm inclined now to unblock, but I wanted to check with you (]''']''']) 09:22, 28 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| You think someone using 40 proxies is not worth worrying about? We have behavioral evidence in the form of the AfD comments on known socking paid editor's AfDs. If Elen can confirm that all or most of the IPs are from the same subnet, then close it I guess, otherwise if they are scattered all over the world, I think it would be very naive to not assume that someone with access to so many proxies would be able to dodge a checkuser with careful management of their resources. ] (]) 20:58, 29 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| I don't understand something about the reason you and the other arbitrators are giving for deciding to not make the interaction bans two-way. Most of the arbitrators who voted to decline Cla68's request for a case said in their comments this doesn't require a case because ArbCom could address it by motion instead. Now in your comment , you say that you oppose making a decision by motion because the decision shouldn't be made without evidence being presented as can only be done in a case. | |||
| Hey. Is actually your alt, or is someone messing around? Thanks, ] (]) 21:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I said in my ] on the request page that I would ''like'' ArbCom to open a case, and if they do I am ready to present evidence that all five of the one-way interaction bans should be two-way. The reason I can't present more evidence is that ArbCom decided to address the request by motion instead, although now they also are rejecting the motion because they think any decision should require evidence in a case! If ArbCom rejects option A in favor of option B, and then also rejects option B because any decision should require option A, that brings new meaning to the phrase "paralysis by indecision". I sincerely hope ArbCom will have a better reason than this for deciding to take no action, if that is what they decide. ] (]) 01:06, 5 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Ah nevermind, I see you created it. Should have checked the logs first. ] (]) 21:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::No problem. Better safe than sorry! ] 08:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| : I cannot control my colleagues' enthusiasm for motions over full cases, but perhaps you might find more success in persuading ''me'' if you publish at least a sample of evidence that supports making the bans bidirectional. At the moment, I see basically no evidence to support amending the bans, which is why I have opposed both the motion and the opening of a full case. If you were to substantiate your argument, perhaps I might support at least one of the two outcomes. Regards, ] ]] 01:16, 5 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Well, I wasn't going to say anything about Mathsci outside of the request itself. But since you're an arbitrator and you're asking me to show you some of my evidence, I assume I am allowed to answer your question. | |||
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| ::I gave some evidence in the last part of my statement that the conflicts between Mathsci and The Devil's Advocate, TrevelyanL85A2 and SightWatcher have been more due to Mathsci's actions than those of the other parties. In TDA's case, it exists because Mathsci followed TDA to several discussion that had nothing to do with Mathsci or R&I in order to criticize him. (, , , ) In three of those four cases, Mathsci brought up his R&I related gripes with TDA even though the discussions had nothing to do with that topic, and in the last case it was in an AE thread that had nothing to do with me, TDA or Mathsci at all. When Mathsci brought us up in that thread, TDA and I were not having anything to do with him. The Devil's Advocate's statement gave some examples of the false accusations Mathsci made about him after bringing him up there, such as that The Devil's Advocate had claimed Mathsci was misrepresenting his medical condition, while TDA in fact claimed no such thing. Tijfo98 to Mathsci's attempt to hijack that AE thread, and told Mathsci his complaints about me and TDA belonged in a separate AE thread. So Mathsci posted a second AE thread about us later that day, which is what resulted in us being given one-way bans. | |||
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| ::In my statement I also linked to , which explains the cause of the conflict between Mathsci and SightWatcher and TrevelyanL85A2. In their case it was because Mathsci continued to attack them in arbitration discussions at a time when Trevelyan had stayed away from Misplaced Pages for the past four months, and SightWatcher had avoided Mathsci and R&I articles for the past year. This can be verified looking at the history of their contributions. When Mathsci began attacking them both in ] in May, Trevelyan had made no edits since January, and SightWatcher had made none related to Mathsci or R&I since May 2011. SilkTork warned Mathsci about this , but Mathsci responded by calling SilkTork's warning "trolling". ] is the word for what people like Echigo Mole do. | |||
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| ::Looking at the history of amendment requests on , it seems things like this have been happening for around two years, and they seem to always go the same way. The pattern is that Mathsci initiates a conflict by going out of his way to provoke another editor who's been avoiding him, and in the resulting conflict it is the other editors who get punished. Sometimes arbitrators have admonished or warned Mathsci about it (he also was admonished for it by an in May), but his response to SilkTork suggests he considers these warnings invalid. I think if ArbCom does nothing to break this cycle, the same thing will continue to happen again and again. But if ArbCom could turn the five one-way interaction bans into two-way bans (Mine, TDA's, Cla68's, TrevelyanL85A2 and SightWatcher's), it would set a helpful precedent that the next time Mathsci provokes an editor who isn't doing anything to him, the interaction ban should cover them both, not just the other person. | |||
| ::Is that an adequate explanation? I haven't yet finished collecting diffs of some of the earlier editors who experienced this, like Ludwigs2 and Miradre. I can also present some evidence about how this happened in their case if you want me to, but it might have to wait a few days. ] (]) 04:35, 5 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::A blizzard of links will not work with experienced editors—I had a look at the first few, and <u>they show nothing wrong</u>. I am familiar with the occasion of the ] as it was on my watchlist and I had a long discussion with a user ] who had misguidedly removed Mathsci's perfectly acceptable comment. It is beyond credibility that an account (Zeromus1) created on 19 August 2012 has independently decided that Mathsci requires sanctions, after miraculously encountering Mathsci at ], and after creating '']'' ("{{xt|The book is based on the fact that the average IQ of African Americans had been consistently found to lie approximately 15 points lower than that of White Americans...}}"). ] (]) 08:03, 5 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::What do you expect me to do? AGK asked me to publish at least a sample of evidence that supports making the bans bidirectional, and said at the arbitration request page that what's needed was time to examine the situation in detail. If AGK wants to examine the situation in detail, that is not possible without providing lots of links. | |||
| ::::The importance of the threads like the one at WQA is that they show the cause of the conflict between Mathsci and The Devil's Advocate. It exists because Mathsci has several times attacked TDA for R&I related issues in threads that had nothing to do with Mathsci or R&I. A one-way interaction ban is only appropriate if the person being sanctioned is the only one responsible for his conflict with another. But threads like that one show The Devil's Advocate definitely is not the only person, or even the main person, responsible for his conflict with Mathsci. | |||
| ::::ArbCom can examine my own editing history if they like, but remember I'm not a completely inexperienced user. I had a few years of experience editing as an IP until about 2009. When I joined I already was familiar with R&I articles (although not with Mathsci), and as I said ] I joined Misplaced Pages with the plan to help Yfever contribute to articles about Arthur Jensen's writings. The Red Pen of Doom previously asked me about this ]. ] (]) 11:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi AGK. I understand your desire to continue fact-finding by engaging with Zeromus, but I must note that if they continue to violate their topic ban by visiting and discussing it on various arbitrators' talkpages, I will have no choice but to block them until they agree to not violate their interaction ban on any page of Misplaced Pages, in response to any inquiry, from anyone, for any reason. The email channels to Arbom remain open and are sufficient to handling any appeals or clarifications Zeromus may require. Thanks. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> 14:22, 5 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::Discretionary sanctions permit editors to appeal the sanction to the arbitration committee, and corresponding with an arbiter, when instigated by that arbiter, is reasonably a part of such an appeal. When an person in authority, such as a member of the committee asks an editor to do something, and that editor does so, it is grossly unreasonable to punish the responding editor, even if the response is arguably a violation of a topic ban. ]] 20:12, 5 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi AGK. The above posting is a fairly extreme violation of Zeromus1's editing restrictions. I have sent a private email to you concerning the account Zeromus1. Their editing history suggests that this is a sockpuppet of a specific site-banned editor. Please see the email for more details. Professor marginalia has already indicated similar problems with this account on the RfAr page. (Just for the record, SightWatcher is under an extended topic ban, not a one-way IBAN; and TrevelyanL85A2 is blocked indefinitely under AE discertionary sanctions, a block he has not appealed.) Thanks, ] (]) 07:16, 5 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
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Hi, Arcticocean,
No, nope, nah, nyet, it's not going to work. Go back to your former name! You know us long-time editors don't adapt well to changes, especially small ones.
Any way, in case you have indeed transitioned to a new identity, I hope I'll run into you on this project in the future (in a positive way, I mean). Just spend some time working on some subject that brings a smile to your face. And stay away from noticeboards. Take care, Liz 06:00, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
- You might want to change the target page for the redirect on User:Arcticocean. Liz 06:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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And stay away from noticeboards – was better advice ever given to a Misplaced Pages editor? :) arcticocean ■ 13:00, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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Editor experience invitation
Hi Articocean. Have I asked you yet about whether or not you'd be interested in participating here? I see you blank your talk page regularly and I'm worried I'm missing my name in the history even though I checked. 😅 I really hope this isn't a duplicate request. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:21, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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Hey there! I just wanted to give you a shoutout for nominating this PROMO AUTOBIO for deletion. I’m surprised it’s been hanging around for about five years now and you definitely did the right thing by calling it out! Also, welcome back! I’m glad to see you’re active again and I hope you’ll stick around this time! Thanks for all your good work! — Saqib (talk I contribs) 19:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the welcome! It's nice to be contributing again. I have been part of the Misplaced Pages community for nearly 20 years, and after so long I was losing my enthusiasm. However, the break has done me some good. arcticocean 10:15, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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- Thanks for noticing this. We created this template as part of a drive to refresh the WikiProject, but the planned use of the template did not materialise. I have now tagged it for speedy deletion: the deletion is clear-cut and does not necessarily require a TfD. Thanks again, arcticocean ■ 12:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hey. Is this actually your alt, or is someone messing around? Thanks, Spicy (talk) 21:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ah nevermind, I see you created it. Should have checked the logs first. Spicy (talk) 21:51, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
- No problem. Better safe than sorry! arcticocean ■ 08:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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Thanks, DaniloDaysOfOurLives! arcticocean ■ 17:43, 3 December 2024 (UTC)