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== Japanese islands and hyphenation ==
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* ''The best place to discuss this is probably Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Japan, which is well-watched by Misplaced Pages's Japanophiles (including myself). How about starting a new thread there?''

I would like to open a discussion on the hyphenation used in transcription of Japanese words. Currently, we have a bit of a mess resulting from the lack of clear rules in Misplaced Pages, and caused by the use of the wrong sources.
Our problem began with the transcribed names of the Japanese islands: ] or Inu-shima and Inu Island in English. As you know hundreds of ''islands'' are transcribed properly (eg. ]) and in accordance with broadly accepted international standards WITH HYPHEN because ''-shima'' is treated in English as a NOUN-SUFFIX. Exactly as in the case of ''-san'' = mountain; ''-shi'' = city; ''-jinja'' = shrine; ''-kō'' = lake etc. However, some editors try to write these two words together, in the form of Inushima, Awajishima.
I will be very grateful for your opinions, --] (]) 11:18, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
:It all really depends on how the name is translated into English. ] already says in the case of "-jinja", you should translate it as "Shrine". If that isn't clear, (rather than some ancient dictionary or atlas) which in this case is "Inujima". I'm honestly not aware of any case where "-jima" or "-shima" is used other than the many cases I'm finding where you instigated a move.—] (]) 13:33, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
:Additionally, that the English Misplaced Pages's ] specifically suggests ''not'' to use hyphens in any translated names, so there's no reason you should be confused about this now other than it being your personal preference in the way romanization should be dealt with in an academic manner.—] (]) 13:41, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
::Maybe I'm missing something obvious, but I can't find the part in ] that says we shouldn't use hyphens in translated names. Does anyone know which part (or parts) of the guideline mentions this? It would be a good idea for us all to get on the same page about what the guideline actually says before we start talking about changing it. (Also, for reference, I'm the administrator that Seibun is referring to at the start of this thread.) — ''''']''''' <sup>(])</sup> 14:02, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
:::I believe the entry <blockquote>Suffixes such as "City", "Town", "Village", and "Island" are generally superfluous in English and should be avoided.</blockquote> might be the one that covers things here. Also, in the case of "Inujima", there are clear uses by the current government that "Inujima" is the preferred form, which is covered by the "Determining common usage" section.—] (]) 14:10, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
::::The digs into the hyphen issue and gives numerous modified Hepburn guidelines/examples. The Library of Congress prefers no hyphen before a generic geographic feature (middle of p. 84). ] (]) 19:22, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
:: My answer soon --] (]) 09:51, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

== "Mera sings Bach" ==

Anyone any idea why ] of "Mera sings Bach" etc. was moved to spelling "Mela"? ] (]) 16:25, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
:Because c. 2010 when I moved the page he went by "Mela" instead of "Mera.—] (]) 16:36, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
::Hmm, news to me :) His 1998 recital disc, and every other BIS disc before and after has "Mera". All printed/published sources have "Mera" as per Billboard - 24 Jan 1998 - Page 42 Vol. 110, n° 4 "Plus, countertenor Yoshikazu Mera is a sensation in Japan, where his recital disc of Japanese art songs has sold 50,000 copies in four months, according to label reports. BIS has seen a 40% sales increase since 1992, even though the label ..." Anyway, no worries, could you move it back please. Thanks. ] (]) 17:06, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
::Oh you have done, well done, thanks. ] (]) 17:09, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
:::] states to defer to the subject's preferred English spelling if it is known before going to press variations.—] (]) 18:07, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
::::As above. ] (]) 03:17, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
:::::In 2010, he wrote his name as "Mela".—] (]) 07:08, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

== About customs of battle during the time of the ]? ==

In article of Chinese wikipedia ] (])it was written"Yoshitsune ordered his forces to attack the helmsmen and sailors of the Taira clan, thus immobilizing their fleets, though this tactic was considered contrary to some '''unwritten''' customs of battle at that time". Initially I thought it was only an unsourced original research, but tseveral days before I found views like "Yoshitsune's unusual tactics in Ichi-no-tani and Dan-no-ura were contrary to the customs of battle"(not declaring it as unwritten) in a literary critics book, and the Japanese wikipedia article seemed to suggest that this view emerged just recently. So I would like to ask: is thie view sourced in any historic references?--] (]) 14:11, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

== Kanji-hyōji problem ==

I was just reading ], and I noticed that the kanji 叱 (list of newly-included kanji, 4th row, 4th from the right) is in brackets and is preceded by an empty box. I checked the source, and the box was there too. I looked up the official revised Jōyō kanji chart from the Japanese government and searched for this character.. Page 19 says that this character's two variant forms are essentially the same character. I copied the one that wasn't displaying (I think the cross-stroke on the right-hand side that looks like 七 is written left-right as opposed to right-left) and tried pasting it into the Misplaced Pages page. It came up as a �diamond-question mark.

This might just be a problem with my computer/browser, but is anyone else having this problem? If so, any idea how we can address it?

] (]) 02:13, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

:The character &#x53F1; is ], while the character &#x20B9F; is ] which may not be supported by some operating systems or browsers. See .―― ] (]) 03:57, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

== Wikivoyage ==

Not much to look at yet, but.... ···]<sup>]</sup> · <small>] · ] · ]!</small> 07:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
== NPOV and duplicate article? ==

Can someone look over ] please. Seems to be duplicate and ]? ] (]) 23:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
:The tags have been removed (fine), but no input on the subject. I still think this is OR/FORK from ], there were no non-RC Japanese Christians at this period. Have listed on ] as well, though a bit unlikely anyone there who knows anything about Japan isn't on this project first. ] (]) 20:12, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

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== Does anyone speak Japanese? ==
I have been working on translating the article ] from ], but I have learned over the last few months that Japanese Wiki's standards are quite different from ours, and citations in the original are minimal-to-nonexistent. I can deal with that by just checking each statement against English sources (and I will, someday :P ). But as for other areas of improvement, I am looking for advice.


I'm trying to eventually get ] to FA and I'd appreciate a second set of eyes from an experienced editor who can understand the sources cited in the Japan section. Is anything missing? Are the sources being misinterpreted? If it is, don't blame me (I didn't add the content in question). I just want to make sure everything is on the up and up. ] ] 11:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
I noticed that if I have a problem with something in an article, or another editor's edits, it's ''very'' easy to get community input via RFC -- is there any corresponding request for articles that just need general improvement? I have seen other articles get nominated for GA and FA and get shot down almost immediately, but with pretty good advice as to how to improve them, but given that I ''know'' this is a waste of other editors' time it seems inappropriate...


:Note that I can only read and understand some of it. The "Japan" section on the Criticism is okay. (The english NHK source already confirms it). Though I hope a more proficient than me looks into it though. '''''Warm Regards''''', ] (]) (]) 12:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
] (]) 06:57, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
:I found this Asahi article in English which is a pretty good represantation of the Japanese Asahi article already used: https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15052469
:Sounds like you're looking for ]. I hear that a lot of featured article writers take an article to GA, then use a peer review as a stepping stone to FA status. You can use peer review at any stage of development, though, as long as the article in question is relatively fleshed out. — ''''']''''' <sup>(])</sup> 10:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
:The Japanese Asahi article is paywalled after a certain point though, but what I want to point out about the Japanese articles and that English Asahi article, is that the people who did the survey finding these cases of abuse were not doing so at the behest of the government (they only did it after the government put out new guidelines of what's considered abuse in a religious context). The survey results were passed on to the government, but this makes me wonder if it is best to put this under a heading called "Government interactons".
::No don't send it for peer review until the obvious problems are all fixed, otherwise you will just annoy people. About half or more of the article sent to peer review only get a cursory glance. I sent ] there but got nothing except an image request. ] (]) 04:02, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:The English NHK article just says the survey was done by a "team of lawyers", and doesn't really clarify that the survey was carried out by an independent organization.
:I also question the term "investigation" used in the Wiki article. Investigation sounds a bit more in depth than what they did. It was an internet survey. There's nothing I can find that implies they verified these claims or found evidence to support them (though it does say some respondents spoke directly to psychiatrists).
:Honestly, that English Asahi article is probably a better source than the NHK one. The NHK one has some pretty bad translations. ] (]) 16:19, 7 December 2024 (UTC)


== ] of ] ==
== Infobox East Asian name ==
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The article ] has been ]&#32;because of the following concern:
{{tl|Infobox East Asian name}} has been nominated for deletion -- ] (]) 04:17, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
<blockquote>'''Unreferenced and unimproved almost 15 years. Defunct college. Article for the holding company doesn't even exist.'''</blockquote>
:Discussion got moved to here: ]. ···]<sup>]</sup> · <small>] · ] · ]!</small> 08:12, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


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== What is this organization "Myowa-kai" ==


You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your ] or on ].
I was exploring the feasibility of an article on ] when I read about this Japanese "pan-Buddhist organization known as the Myowa-kai" which in 1937 issued a statement in support of the Japanese war effort, which said "we ... now have no choice to to exercise the benevolent forcefulness of 'killing one in order that many may live.' " I tried to do a web search for this organization, but got very little information, except that apparently two Sōtō Zen leaders, Hayashiya Tomojirō and Shimakage Chikai, were associated with this statement. Maybe Myowa-kai is an obscure nickname or abbreviation for some well-known organization like ] (what Google threw out) or just a front organization for the government? Could somebody who knows the Japanese language or the history of the period clarify? ] (]) 23:58, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
:I have no idea, and this probably has nothing to do with it, but the far-right religious group "kenshoukai" (顕正会) was previously known as "myoushinkou" (妙信講). This started in the 1940s as a pro-war Buddhist group. ] (]) 03:57, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


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== Hilariously badly-written article ] ==


== Proposed split of ] ==
The article ] is so badly written that it is laugh-out-loud funny. Here is the lead:
I have proposed a split of the ] article which may be of interest to this project. I would appreciate your thoughts in the discussion on the ]. ] (]) 11:09, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
<blockquote>
Sushi is a Japanese dish considered a delicacy. It started out as a fast food in Japan because of its simplicity. A round sandwich of sorts, it is most often made with rice, sashimi, and circled with nori. The ingredients have caused controversy due to the fact that they are often raw.
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It's almost a perfect parody of wikipedia inanities and ought to be preserved somehow. ] (]) 03:25, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
:The lead was added in March 2011 ( edit) by an SPA that only edited this article. What's odd is that no one ever tried to change it. But since the article was subject to edit wars at that time (some editors were trying to argue that sushi is a Chinese invention), I would not be surprised that some odd changes were overlooked. ] (]) 04:00, 12 December 2012 (UTC)


== ] == == ] ==


I am trying to clean up and update the Samurai article, and would like some feedback. I have removed a lot of text and started to shift the focus to the development and evolution of samurai as a class. I think that the article before focused too much on famous samurai and major battles. I have some research, and I find the work of historians such as Karl Friday, Thomas Conlan and William Farris are mostly neglected by the article in favour of sources like museum articles without bylines, Japanese dictionaries, and dated pop history books. However, removing some of these sources has become controversial, so some extra eyes on the page would be helpful. ] (]) 07:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
This ] related article needs attention from editors familiar with the topic: it needs to be revamped with reference to better and neutral sources. I have raised my concerns on the article talk page. --] (]) 17:25, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

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Does anyone speak Japanese?

I'm trying to eventually get Jehovah's Witnesses to FA and I'd appreciate a second set of eyes from an experienced editor who can understand the sources cited in the Japan section. Is anything missing? Are the sources being misinterpreted? If it is, don't blame me (I didn't add the content in question). I just want to make sure everything is on the up and up. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Note that I can only read and understand some of it. The "Japan" section on the Criticism is okay. (The english NHK source already confirms it). Though I hope a more proficient than me looks into it though. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
I found this Asahi article in English which is a pretty good represantation of the Japanese Asahi article already used: https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15052469
The Japanese Asahi article is paywalled after a certain point though, but what I want to point out about the Japanese articles and that English Asahi article, is that the people who did the survey finding these cases of abuse were not doing so at the behest of the government (they only did it after the government put out new guidelines of what's considered abuse in a religious context). The survey results were passed on to the government, but this makes me wonder if it is best to put this under a heading called "Government interactons".
The English NHK article just says the survey was done by a "team of lawyers", and doesn't really clarify that the survey was carried out by an independent organization.
I also question the term "investigation" used in the Wiki article. Investigation sounds a bit more in depth than what they did. It was an internet survey. There's nothing I can find that implies they verified these claims or found evidence to support them (though it does say some respondents spoke directly to psychiatrists).
Honestly, that English Asahi article is probably a better source than the NHK one. The NHK one has some pretty bad translations. Erynamrod (talk) 16:19, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Edogawa Junior College

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Samurai

I am trying to clean up and update the Samurai article, and would like some feedback. I have removed a lot of text and started to shift the focus to the development and evolution of samurai as a class. I think that the article before focused too much on famous samurai and major battles. I have some research, and I find the work of historians such as Karl Friday, Thomas Conlan and William Farris are mostly neglected by the article in favour of sources like museum articles without bylines, Japanese dictionaries, and dated pop history books. However, removing some of these sources has become controversial, so some extra eyes on the page would be helpful. Tinynanorobots (talk) 07:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

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