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== ''FalsePositives'' page for inactive ClueBot ==

I followed the ''False positive? Report it'' link from the log message for an old edit by ClueBot (not NG). It took me to ]. That page's ''Click here'' reporting link fails with "server not found".

It has taken me quite some time to figure out that the bot in question is inactive. Judging by the page's edit history, several other people have been confused too. Adding to my confusion was that ] looks so similar; I didn't realize for quite a while that I was looking at two different pages. (I got a distinct ] feeling when that finally dawned on me :-) )

I've taken the liberty of copying the ''wikibreak'' template from ] to ], and rewording the latter's introductory sentence. I'm not comfortable doing more than that, but I suggest that a ClueBot maintainer edit the page more extensively, to make it clearer than my (intentionally minimal) changes can do that:
# ClueBot is out of service
# So is its false-positive reporting mechanism
# Reporting false positives against it would be pointless anyway (except in the unlikely circumstance that ClueBot is ever revived)

Or whatever subset of those points is actually true...

Thanks. ] (]) 20:15, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

:I've tidied it up.--] (]) 22:07, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
::Looks good. Thanks much. ] (]) 05:17, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

== Feeding ClueBot false-positives into ClueBot NG ==

Actually, thinking more about my point #3 above: mightn't it make sense to feed ClueBot's false positives into ClueBot NG's dataset? On the one hand, NG presumably makes different mistakes from the old ClueBot, so I have no idea how useful feedback from one tool would be for improving the other's accuracy. On the other hand, data is data; if people are willing to provide it, why not make use of it? Or would that in fact do more harm than good? ] (]) 20:20, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

:I'm not sure that would actually be possible. It's been some time now since ClueBot was active and I'm fairly certain ] have undergone a lot of change in that time, various upgrades etc etc. Also, I would imagine that merging the two databases would take some time and possibly make a database too large. After all the original ClueBot made close to 1.6 million edits I think before he took his Wikibreak.

:I'll swing by Rich's page though and let him know about this.--] (]) 22:06, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
::Maybe ] will correct me, but I think they are 2 totally different databases... I don't think it can be done - <tt>]</tt><sup>]&#124;]&#124;]</sup> 23:28, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
:::Actually Rich, I think you're correct. Thinking about it I'm sure I now remember ClueBot NG having some downtime earlier in the year because of it.--] (]) 00:18, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
::::Sorry if I was unclear. I didn't mean to suggest that the databases be merged. Rather, the idea was just that the old ClueBot's false-positive page could take me to a tool that submits my report to ClueBot NG instead of to the old ClueBot. That assumes (and I've only now realized this, and that the assumption might well be incorrect) that a report of the form "text FOO on page BAR was flagged as vandalism but is really OK" is sufficient to feed into NG's learning machinery. But maybe it isn't useful, without other context as to how the decision was made in the first place -- and of course that context, from old ClueBot's database, would be meaningless to NG. Anyway, it's probably not worth a whole lot of effort; on further thought, I don't know how many people would be looking far enough back in history, at this point, to be reporting old-ClueBot's false positives in the first place. ] (]) 05:16, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

== ClueBot III just archived everything into the same month instead of splitting it ==

See at ]. ] just archived everything into . It also created an index even though the parameters indicated the bot not to do so (default value of <tt>index</tt>). &mdash;] (]) 05:26, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

:Because the bot does not read timestamps (it works based on diffs -- if the section is unchanged between the revision <tt>age</tt> hours ago and the current revision, archive it into the page named after <tt>age</tt> hours ago; this also means that the bot is more accurate with what is archived and what is not -- for example, if someone were to fake a timestamp, that wouldn't affect the bot, it also will pick up non-timestamped changes), the initial archival will do this because the bot assumes you are current on archival when the bot tags are added. Subsequent archivals will go into the correct archive (the one dated based on the last activity in that section). The easiest way is to copy-paste into the relevant archives (if none existed before you added CB3).
:Furthermore, per the ],
{{quotation|The index parameter should be set to yes if you wish the bot to dump an index in place of the template. This is useful if you have wrapped the template with an {{tl|archive box}}. Otherwise it should be set to no.}}
:<tt>index</tt> doesn't have a specified default value, and should be set explicitly to <tt>yes</tt> or <tt>no</tt>. It will still create an index, just not transclude it. If you don't want it even to create an index in its own userspace, you need to use <tt>nogenerateindex=1</tt>:
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''Type'': unsigned integer (boolean){{br}}
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:-- ]<sup>(]&#124;]&#124;])</sup> 19:37, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

:: {{not sure}}. I don't understand what do I have to do exactly so that CB3 archives each entry into its corresponding month-year if no archive existed before adding CB3. Could you please tone down a bit the technical jargon and explain it as if I were a 5 year old? Thanks for everything that you do bro, appreciate your time, patience, and effort. Cheers! &mdash;] (]) 20:03, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
::: You have to manually create the archive pages and archive the sections before adding CB3 if you care about the history before CB3 was added. Otherwise CB3 will dump it all in the same archive when it creates it.
::: The reason is because the bot doesn't look at the timestamps, and instead looks at the history of the page. In this way, it is fundamentally different from MiszaBot, and this is one of drawbacks of doing it this way -- that it archives everything into the current archive on the first run. The benefits are that it is more accurate in detecting changes to sections. To be clear, it will work correctly after the first archive has happened.
::: To recap, the easiest way is to make sure your archives are current before switching to CB3. -- ]<sup>(]&#124;]&#124;])</sup> 20:23, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
:::: {{idea}} can't I just hack it by creating the seed used by CB3 to perform consequent archives? Is it not the indexes? I can manually create the index then, no? That way CB3 will beleive that it already performed an archive and operate as if it were performing a routinary task. &mdash;] (]) 20:37, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

== Is ClueBot III restricted to same NAMESPACE? What about subpages and parent targets? ==

See at ]. I specified the prefix as <tt>Misplaced Pages talk:</tt> which is different from where the original content resided at (the original content was in the <tt>Misplaced Pages:</tt> NAMESPACE). The bot ignored the specified NAMESPACE and performed the move onto the same NAMESPACE where the original content resided at; ie: it was not able to switch to a different NAMESPACE than that of the origin:

<tt><nowiki>{{</nowiki>User:ClueBot III/ArchiveThis{{br}}
| archiveprefix={{underline|Misplaced Pages talk:}}WikiProject Puerto Rico/Archives/{{br}}
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EXPECTED RESULT{{br}}
<tt>'''{{underline|Misplaced Pages:}}'''WikiProject Puerto Rico/Assessment/Requests</tt> archived into <tt>'''{{underline|Misplaced Pages talk:}}'''WikiProject Puerto Rico/Assessment/Requests/Archives/December/2012</tt>

REAL RESULT{{br}}
<tt>'''{{underline|Misplaced Pages:}}'''WikiProject Puerto Rico/Assessment/Requests</tt> archived into <tt>'''{{underline|Misplaced Pages:}}'''WikiProject Puerto Rico/Assessment/Requests/Archives/December/2012</tt>


Also, how can the bot archive a subpage to an archive in a parent target? For example, how can the bot archive ] into ]?

&mdash;] (]) 09:32, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
:This is to prevent the bot clobbering over pages it shouldn't. If you need a specific instance fixed, let me know and I can override it. -- ]<sup>(]&#124;]&#124;])</sup> 05:46, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

:: <tt>Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Archive {{spaces|6}} {{unicode|&#x2192;}} Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Archives/<nowiki><year></nowiki>/<nowiki><month></nowiki></tt>
:: <tt>Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Archive 1 {{spaces|4}} {{unicode|&#x2192;}} Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Archives/<nowiki><year></nowiki>/<nowiki><month></nowiki></tt>
:: <tt>Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Archive 2 {{spaces|4}} {{unicode|&#x2192;}} Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Archives/<nowiki><year></nowiki>/<nowiki><month></nowiki></tt>
:: <tt>Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Archive 3 {{spaces|4}} {{unicode|&#x2192;}} Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Archives/<nowiki><year></nowiki>/<nowiki><month></nowiki></tt>
:: <tt>Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Assessment {{spaces|3}} {{unicode|&#x2192;}} Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Archives/<nowiki><year></nowiki>/<nowiki><month></nowiki></tt>
:: <tt>Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/templates {{spaces|4}} {{unicode|&#x2192;}} Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Archives/<nowiki><year></nowiki>/<nowiki><month></nowiki></tt>
:: <tt>Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Assessment/Requests {{unicode|&#x2192;}} Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Puerto Rico/Archives/<nowiki><year></nowiki>/<nowiki><month></nowiki></tt>

:: Is there any way that you can implement some sort of privilege for advanced users? Similar to MiszaBot's ] in order to override this?

:: &mdash;] (]) 06:15, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
::: It has a key parameter. Though, only I can generate them, and they are specific to a certain page and <tt>archiveprefix</tt>. I have updated the last one to have a key -- it should be fixed now. The others didn't have a CB3 template on them, and I am not entirely sure why the first 4 should be auto-archived anyway. If you add a CB3 template (commented out if you prefer so it doesn't immediately activate) to them to do what you want, I can add a key. -- ]<sup>(]&#124;]&#124;])</sup> 19:21, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

:::: {{done}} Will this archive each entry into its corresponding month-year or will it dump everything into ] like it happened at ? &mdash;] (]) 19:45, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
:::::See my comment above about that behavior. -- ]<sup>(]&#124;]&#124;])</sup> 19:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

==Weird db output==
So, according to the recentchanges table, ClueBot's edits are made by a non-bot ;p. Anything at your end that could be causing this? ] (]) 15:21, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
:This is intentional, and it applies to all anti-vandal bots, not just ClueBot NG. See ]. &ndash;&nbsp;]&nbsp;(]) 15:43, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
::Neat. Pain in the arse for db analysis, mind ;p. ] (]) 04:33, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

== Captcha code broken? ==


== Question regarding ClueBot ==
More than 10 tries and still no success with ClueBot NG Report Interface.
The Captcha says "two words" but one is always a non-word! (have tried closest real word also)


Can I please see the source? (A github url for ClueBot) ?
page info:
Is it being run on someone's PC or is it being run in the cloud?
http://report.cluebot.cluenet.org/?page=View&id=1425713
I have more questions than I have answers coming to this page.
ID: 1425713 User: 165.121.80.205 Article: 2012 Delhi gang rape case
Friday, the 4th of January 2013 at 04:03:18 AM #90238 Anonymous (anonymous)
"When I originally edited this paragraph, I made an edit comment that I thought a video source was less reliable, as I could not check it. It has been several days and no one has added a better source. {cn} is not justified as the source is listed, just uncheckable. Is there a better way to handle this situation?"


Thanks ] (]) 12:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
P.S. the Captcha on Edit pages does not have this coding or problem. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 09:19, 4 January 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Yea, I'm working to (very slowly) changing the CAPTCHA system on the report interface, ReCaptcha is becoming somewhat of an annoyance - <tt>]</tt><sup>]&#124;]&#124;]</sup> 00:17, 5 January 2013 (UTC) :@] the bot runs on Wikimedia Toolforge and its source code is . <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 13:47, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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Question regarding ClueBot

Can I please see the source? (A github url for ClueBot) ? Is it being run on someone's PC or is it being run in the cloud? I have more questions than I have answers coming to this page.

Thanks Vidyagamerfromaus (talk) 12:20, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

@Vidyagamerfromaus the bot runs on Wikimedia Toolforge and its source code is here. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 13:47, 8 December 2024 (UTC)