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==Ismail I== | |||
] is though that he was a Kurd. But at the era of ], the dynasty lost their Kurdishness (because of their ]). It's wrong and comic to enphasize Ismail I's grand grand grand fathers' Kurdishness. So we have to remove him.] (]) 14:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
: sorry my dear, there are sources which show us that he was kurd! He you have reliable and tangible sources , than, give it us, we can discuss on, but without any sources you cannot clean up everything by yourself! --] (]) 15:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
==Kurdish Politicians== | |||
qasim amin was also of kurdish origin. source http://www.bakhawan.com/dotkurd/nebez/Inglizi/TheKurds.pdf | |||
:I don't see what you mean. They lost their Kurdishness? This is not about culture, this is about ethnic groups. That's the reason why this article doesn't include Turkish PKK members and Armenian singers who sang in Kurdish and lived around Kurds. I'm not sure whether you believe in ] and ], but when discussing origins of people, their genetic origins come before their cultural belongings. | |||
I don't think illegal Kurdish terrorists such as Abdullah Ocalan should be considered as "politicians". They are simply not politicians, but mere terrorists. | |||
Regards, ] (]) 18:30, 5 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
why was Nezami Ganjavi removed? if his mother was kurdish according to the sources of the main article, it makes him of kurdish extraction as well.. | |||
:: yes you are right, i agree with you, that's true --] (]) 19:47, 5 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
::: Unfortunately also as ethnic group, he didn't have such consciousness. ] (]) 11:29, 6 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::: the section is about kurdish roots and origins of some personns. The questions is not on whether Ismail 1 considered himselfes as kurdish or persian, ok? But according to give sources Shah Ismail the 1 is kurdish. If you have sources which prouve us that he is not kurdish, than, give it to us. --] (]) 11:59, 6 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
== Unsourced sportsmen == | |||
I will remove the following people from the category "Sport" in 1-2 weeks unless sources stating that they are Kurdish are given: ], ], ] and ]. With it I will also remove the Refimprove tag. --] (]) 16:04, 28 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
== '''Abdullah Ocalan''' == | |||
== Recent edit by 2A02:FE0:C210:6AA0:5F2:85C3:5B2F:2A16 == | |||
Care to explain why you changed the template? I disagree with including the different countries, simply because many of those countries did not exist hundreds of years back. For example - Saladin is currently under Iraq, but there was no Iraq during his time. I can also see that there's already an entry on this, by Vekoler. I suggest, just like Vekoler, and the way that it was before this recent edit, that we go back to classifying them after profession. Best, ] (]) 14:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
I think Abdullah Ocalan should be considered as politicians. Whether he is a terrorist, this is a subjective opinion. It is not objective. But he is a politician for millions of kurds. That should be respected. | |||
So his name should be out of "Others". --] (]) 16:58, 9 February 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Fethullah Gülen == | |||
==Where is the evidence that "Abu Omar al-Kurdi" is really Kurdish?== | |||
I have removed this name from the list, since there is no evidence that he is really Kurdish. There are lots of Arab people in Egypt and Syria who have the family name ''Al-Kurdi''. If there is evidence or proof of this guy being Kurdish, then provide the links please. | |||
Is he kurd?--] (]) 20:43, 24 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
Removed from the List---> "Abu Omar al-Kurdi, was a top bombmaker for ]'s organization in ], ]." | |||
==Link spam== | |||
] 16:44, 14 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
Hi Folks, this is currently a list of link-spam, with no indication of why these people are notable. Currently it is a list of names, with no indication why they are important. Half the article is unsourced. When a look up a list of ] it came up with this. It much better defined. I'll leave it for the moment to be improved. If I come back and review it a second time, I will redirect it. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 10:52, 9 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
:] is more sourced than ]. Adding a short description can be done easily but in regards to the references, it doesn't seem that many of the "List of *" are actually sourced but depend on the info on the articles themselves. ] (]) 11:04, 9 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
==The page is about Renowned Kurds== | |||
Agreed. However the list is about Kurdish personalities in politics, literature and science. Al-Kurdi, isnot well known among Kurds, while this list is about '''Renowned Kurds'''. You can include it in a list of Kurdish terrorists. He is not neither a writer nor a poet nor a politician. However, please note that I amnot pushing a POV, since '''Mulla Krekar''' another controversial figure and also Ocalan ( considered to be terrorist in the West) are included. The reason for their inclusion, is that these two are well known figures, both were leading political parties (though violent). But this guy ''Al-Kurdi'' is at most an obscure figure, he doesnot head any recognizable movement and his name has been mentioned only once in a news article. So I don't think that he is qualified to be considered a ''well-known'' personality. | |||
] 19:18, 15 December 2005 (UTC) | |||
<s>@Heja Helweda: May I ask why you deleted "Bijan Zolfaqarnasab" ]. He is renowned and well respected in Iran.</s>--] (]) 19:48, 25 May 2008 (UTC) | |||
==Why are there no famous Kurdish Athletes?== | |||
== Where is Ismet Inonu? == | |||
Or did the fascists ignore his Kurdish identity after the Dersim revolt. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
* His family is from Bitlis and as such he has mixed Turkish and ] ancestors. As you should know Armenians did not like the Kurds that much during those years. Is this explanation enough to your Dersim comment ? <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
== Southern Kurdish == | |||
why '''Baba Tahir''', '''Karim-Khan Zand''', and '''celebrated Yarsan poets of Guran and Lak''' have not been included? Most of those who have been included are politicians. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:45, 22 June 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
== the khedive Muhammad Ali and Orhan Pamuk == | |||
My kurdish friend claim that they are both kurds, schould they be added to the list? I have not find any reference that proof it, maybe someone here knows. | |||
] (]) 19:45, 14 July 2010 (UTC) | |||
== WHY YOU DELETED SPORTSPEOPLE! == | |||
hi why yu deleted sportspeople! here a wikipedia archiv of kurdish sportspeople ! | |||
example: M.Shojaei ,he is with kurdish roots! source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-wLIRUQD4w AT 0:34 . | |||
M.Nosrati ,He is with kurdish roots , source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-wLIRUQD4w AT 1:30 | |||
Ferydoon Zandi,he has kurdish father adn german mother source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-wLIRUQD4w 1.10 | |||
ekrem dag: he born in mardin ,kurdish free city in turkey . source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-wLIRUQD4w 1.07 | |||
EREN Derdiyok : http://www.bayer04.de/B04-ENG/EN/1342.aspx?guid=1342-542549CC-44B8-4F4E-8A84-828179DD1C58 | |||
DENIZ NAKI : http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/fc-st-pauli/2010/08/04/deniz-naki/pauli-star-lueftet-tattoo-geheimnis.html | |||
so pls add this page too! | |||
thx | |||
ali <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:02, 18 December 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
== Is'nt he Remarkable == | |||
Considered the Kurdish-Arab ] born 1954 is a arabesque singer. However the page is frozen(Zekeriya Beyaz 09:15, 4 March 2011 (UTC)). <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
== Sorted by country == | |||
This list, as every other people list in wikipedia should be sorted by country.the arabic and turkish, kurdish and persian personal names should not be mixed.look at every people list in wikipedia, they all have been sorted by country, like the gypsies which are found in many countries.--] (]) 08:29, 20 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Vandalism == | |||
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All of these individuals and families actually do have sources to confirm that they're Kurdish (or could have been) in their articles, or are generally well-known to be Kurds. Thus, I'm reverting his edit. (the only one which is really debatable is ibn Fadlan) | |||
Moreover, he claims Nezami Ganjavi had a Persian father, which is not certain at all; the only thing that's certain is that his mother was Kurdish. ] (]) 10:50, 23 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
*Ok, this bullshit by that Pakteenat guy is getting out of hand. He keeps removing ] from the list, which, as you can see in his article, was of (maternal) Kurdish descent. He was born into the ], a tribe which still exists today and is ethnically Kurdish, furthermore he was '''said to be of Kurdish descent by a contemporary of his'''. By paternal descent he might be Persian, yes, but that does not take away that he's partially Kurdish as well. Whether the term 'Kurd' was a social term back then is still debatable, since it appears also to describe a group of people (led by ]), which revolted against the Sassanids. ] (]) 09:01, 26 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Classification == | |||
I have been editing this page for a long time and believe the best way to present Kurdish personalities is to sort them according to their professions. The recent classification based on country of origin can be confusing and historically inaccurate as many of the poets and writers and statesmen from before 20th century can not be correctly identified as being '''Iraqi''', '''Syrian''' or '''Turkish''' since these countries did not exist back then. One could think of adding ''Ottoman'' section but then probably we need ''Abbassid'' and ''Ummayyad'' and ''Mongol'' sections as well. and how would you calssify ''Saladin''? Caucasian (his family came from Dvin), Iraqi (resided in Tikrit) or Egyptian (ruled the country)? The best method is to classify in accordance with profession. ] (]) 14:25, 16 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
==Template== | |||
To ]. Please stop remove template. I found many wrong information in this list. Some of them are not Kurds, but Turks, Zazas etc... when you have a time, could you provide reliable sources ? ] (]) 13:05, 1 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
==Mehmet Ali Erbil== | |||
Some sources claims the Kurdishness of ]'s grandfather ]. However, Mehmet Ali Erbil didn't known such claim before he read article on newspapers, moreover he doesn't adopt Kurdish ethnic identity. So we have to remove him. Thank you. ] (]) 14:28, 5 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
:"However, Mehmet Ali Erbil didn't known such claim before he read article on newspapers". Please direct me towards a source. | |||
Regards, ] (]) 18:30, 5 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
:: According to (as to a Kurdish ethnocentric claim on Hürriyet see: ]), he said ''Ben de yeni öğrendim. (I also newly come to know it.)'' And mentioned that he is the descent of Iraqi Turkmen people. ] (]) 11:43, 6 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
::: Find us non turkish sources, and we will add it here --] (]) 11:56, 6 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::: Unfortunately there are no non-Turkish sources which claim that Mehmet Ali Erbil may be "Kurdish descent". We can find claims on both of Iraqi Turkmen and Kurdish descent only in Turkish sources. ] (]) 12:00, 6 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
==Ismail I== | |||
] is though that he was a Kurd. But at the era of ], the dynasty lost their Kurdishness (because of their ]). It's wrong and comic to enphasize Ismail I's grand grand grand fathers' Kurdishness. So we have to remove him.] (]) 14:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
: sorry my dear, there are sources which show us that he was kurd! He you have reliable and tangible sources , than, give it us, we can discuss on, but without any sources you cannot clean up everything by yourself! --] (]) 15:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
:I don't see what you mean. They lost their Kurdishness? This is not about culture, this is about ethnic groups. That's the reason why this article doesn't include Turkish PKK members and Armenian singers who sang in Kurdish and lived around Kurds. I'm not sure whether you believe in ] and ], but when discussing origins of people, their genetic origins come before their cultural belongings. | |||
Regards, ] (]) 18:30, 5 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
:: yes you are right, i agree with you, that's true --] (]) 19:47, 5 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
::: Unfortunately also as ethnic group, he didn't have such consciousness. ] (]) 11:29, 6 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::: the section is about kurdish roots and origins of some personns. The questions is not on whether Ismail 1 considered himselfes as kurdish or persian, ok? But according to give sources Shah Ismail the 1 is kurdish. If you have sources which prouve us that he is not kurdish, than, give it to us. --] (]) 11:59, 6 January 2013 (UTC) |
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Ismail I
Safi-ad-din Ardabili is though that he was a Kurd. But at the era of Ismail I, the dynasty lost their Kurdishness (because of their Turkification). It's wrong and comic to enphasize Ismail I's grand grand grand fathers' Kurdishness. So we have to remove him.Takabeg (talk) 14:34, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- sorry my dear, there are sources which show us that he was kurd! He you have reliable and tangible sources , than, give it us, we can discuss on, but without any sources you cannot clean up everything by yourself! --Alsace38 (talk) 15:54, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't see what you mean. They lost their Kurdishness? This is not about culture, this is about ethnic groups. That's the reason why this article doesn't include Turkish PKK members and Armenian singers who sang in Kurdish and lived around Kurds. I'm not sure whether you believe in biology and genetics, but when discussing origins of people, their genetic origins come before their cultural belongings.
Regards, Hvakshahtrah (talk) 18:30, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- yes you are right, i agree with you, that's true --Alsace38 (talk) 19:47, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- Unfortunately also as ethnic group, he didn't have such consciousness. Takabeg (talk) 11:29, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- the section is about kurdish roots and origins of some personns. The questions is not on whether Ismail 1 considered himselfes as kurdish or persian, ok? But according to give sources Shah Ismail the 1 is kurdish. If you have sources which prouve us that he is not kurdish, than, give it to us. --Alsace38 (talk) 11:59, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- Unfortunately also as ethnic group, he didn't have such consciousness. Takabeg (talk) 11:29, 6 January 2013 (UTC)
- yes you are right, i agree with you, that's true --Alsace38 (talk) 19:47, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Unsourced sportsmen
I will remove the following people from the category "Sport" in 1-2 weeks unless sources stating that they are Kurdish are given: Bijan Zolfagharnasab, Burhan Eşer, Devran Ayhan and Salih Jaber. With it I will also remove the Refimprove tag. --Tirvane (talk) 16:04, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
Recent edit by 2A02:FE0:C210:6AA0:5F2:85C3:5B2F:2A16
Care to explain why you changed the template? I disagree with including the different countries, simply because many of those countries did not exist hundreds of years back. For example - Saladin is currently under Iraq, but there was no Iraq during his time. I can also see that there's already an entry on this, by Vekoler. I suggest, just like Vekoler, and the way that it was before this recent edit, that we go back to classifying them after profession. Best, Spivorg (talk) 14:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Fethullah Gülen
Is he kurd?--Kaiyr (talk) 20:43, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Link spam
Hi Folks, this is currently a list of link-spam, with no indication of why these people are notable. Currently it is a list of names, with no indication why they are important. Half the article is unsourced. When a look up a list of List of Germans it came up with this. It much better defined. I'll leave it for the moment to be improved. If I come back and review it a second time, I will redirect it. scope_creep 10:52, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
- List of Kurds is more sourced than List of Germans. Adding a short description can be done easily but in regards to the references, it doesn't seem that many of the "List of *" are actually sourced but depend on the info on the articles themselves. Semsûrî (talk) 11:04, 9 July 2022 (UTC)