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Following the shooting, there was an outpouring of grief and condemnations from American and international politicians. Attention focused on the harsh political rhetoric in the United States. Some ]<ref>], ""</ref> such as ]<ref>], ""</ref>blamed members of the political right wing for the shooting; in particular, they attempted to implicate ] because of gun-related metaphors in her speeches and because of the website of ] which "targeted" the districts of Giffords and others with pictures of ] on an electoral map. Later it was learned that Loughner was an ] who hated all politicians regardless of their affiliation, which quieted the stir on the political left against Palin. <ref name=rhetoric/> ] advocates used the incident to renew their push for increased restrictions on the sale of firearms and ammunition, specifically high-capacity ].<ref name="gun_control"/> ] ] led ] on January 12, and other memorials took place. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:28, 6 December 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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== A Safeway in Arizona == | |||
Is there any objection to adding ''A Safeway in Arizona'' by ] to a further reading section? ] (]) 14:19, 19 June 2012 (UTC) | |||
== New video, audio, photographs from the shooting released by FBI April 2018 == | |||
== Balanced and Unbiased, my Foot == | |||
The FBI just released a whole load of evidence from the shooting which can be found here:. It's a lot to go through and i've just started looking through the documents myself. I'm still pretty dang new to contributing to Misplaced Pages, so with as much information as this is and with such an important page I don't really feel comfortable adding all the new information myself... | |||
The article goes on ad nauseum about all of the allegations that the shooting was the result of right-wing hate rhetoric, but only passes over the fact that there was no evidence for this conclusion, and offers none of the evidence to the contrary. Writes Paul Bond, "the narrative that the killer was egged on by violent political rhetoric, particularly from Palin... even after it was learned that the shooter was an atheist, flag-burning, Bush-hating, 9/11 Truther who enjoyed joking about abortion (not exactly the portrait of a Palin supporter)" The article mentions ''nothing'' about the youtube videos and social media posts in which Loughner expressed his bizzare beleifs and hatred of America and religion. | |||
I hope that sharing this helps! | |||
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:Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, It would take the average person a month of Sundays to look at everything in this archive, and there is no summary or thumbnails to help with sifting through it. I'm not sure if this is suitable as a cite or an external link for this reason.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 15:24, 6 April 2018 (UTC) | |||
I quickly skimmed the list. Here are some potentially usable photos, but someone would need to upload them to commons: | |||
What does it mean when the media almost universially accepts a premise that is patently false, and "unbiased" wikipedia does nothing to challenge it? Good job wikipedia - way to keep it "objective." | |||
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDiq06K5ZA4 | |||
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aQpE5aBn98 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:01, 29 June 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
*https://vault.fbi.gov/2011-tucson-shooting/2011-tucson-shooting-media/p3288157.jpg/view - weapon used in the shooting | |||
: Discussions about mental health aside, I might remind that Ayn Rand was an atheist. Flag-burning has been employed by both the right (especially libertarian) and the left. (Look it up.) | |||
*https://vault.fbi.gov/2011-tucson-shooting/2011-tucson-shooting-media/p3288170.jpg/view - perpetrator being apprehended | |||
*https://vault.fbi.gov/2011-tucson-shooting/2011-tucson-shooting-media/dsc0026.jpg/view - unused ammunition recovered at the scene | |||
*https://vault.fbi.gov/2011-tucson-shooting/2011-tucson-shooting-media/dsc_2491.jpg/view - receipt for the Glock 19 showing price & date of purchase | |||
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:As for using the images in the article, the is the one that could be added. The others aren't all that useful for adding to the article. The images are public domain.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 05:09, 7 April 2018 (UTC) | |||
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: Another correction is that the shooter did not joke about abortion. In the link which documented his reaction to abortion, he called the woman who had had the abortion a terrorist. (Not a video, this happened in person, and is in a linked reference.) Several different government conspiracies were mentioned by the shooter, of which 9/11 was only one. While the 9/11 Truther issue happens not to have traction among the right, other conspiracies mentioned by the shooter do. | |||
], regarding your edits to this article, there is no need for citation overkill. See ]. Regarding , I'm not sure what is meant by "outdated sources," unless the article is actually reporting on outdated matters that newer sources have shown to be in error, but as for broken links, it's easy enough to replace them or change them. Also see ]. And keep in mind that this is a ]. Your contribution history shows that despite your account being new, you are not a new editor. So you perhaps do not need to be told any of this (except for the citation overkill part). ] (]) 06:57, 29 July 2018 (UTC) | |||
: Overall, based on his writings and videos, the shooter's opinions might more accurately be defined as government-hating than Bush-hating. While there is a specific focus on Gifford, this may well have been at least partly because he actually met her earlier, unlike most other people in government. - Tenebris 20:55, 8 January 2013 (UTC) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
I see that ChaseK7 was, unsurpsingly, blocked as a sock. ] has reduced the material ChaseK7 added. ] (]) 12:56, 4 August 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Memoir == | |||
== Loughner's political views == | |||
'''"In Kelly's memoir, Gabby: A Story of Courage and Hope, released in November 2011, he reports that Giffords vows to return to Congress, although she continues to struggle with language and has lost 50 percent of her vision in both eyes." | |||
Re : A single source does not "prove the claims misplaced", it is simply a contrary viewpoint. I'm concerned about the style and tone of this edit, and also that it relies on a source that clearly dislikes other media sources and is largely based on Paul Bond's personal opinion.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 16:54, 17 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
This Kelly person is not mentioned prior, shouldn't he at least be introduced first? It would be nice to know why his memoir is deemed credible. Was it authorised by Giffords, did she commission it? If it's mentioned solely as a source of her vow to return and state of health, I'm left to wonder if there's not a more direct source like her congressional website. (That and *Kelly's memoir* leads to be believe it's a memoir about Kelly because memoirs tend to be autobiographical or at the very least ghost written.) ] (]) 12:09, 16 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Mark Kelly is her husband... Awkward... --] (]) 00:26, 29 November 2012 (UTC) | |||
:The edit was in clear violation of ] and ], hence my modification to it. Incidentally I didn't realise it was a new addition. I hadn't heard of this shooting before yesterday and when I read this article for the first time that wording just clearly stuck out as extremely biased and problematic. How do you feel about the {{u|ianmacm}}? I was almost going to move the sentence out of the lead and into the body myself, and probably would have done so if I had realised it was a recent addition. ] (]) 23:43, 17 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
== Including/Bolding the title == | |||
::There is a much better source discussing this . What often happens after mass shootings is that the media comes up with theories about the motive that are subsequently disproved. This is why exists. Sarah Palin faced criticism for the crosshairs map which was regarded as tasteless political debate, but it is not seen as a motive for the shooting; Loughner may never even have seen it, as the ''Washington Post'' source says. I wasn't very keen on the source because most of it is taken up by Paul Bond launching into criticism of other media outlets. The article should make clear that the theory that the crosshairs map was somehow a motive for the shooting is now disproven, but it doesn't need to be in the ] and is probably best to have it in the main body instead.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 11:36, 18 November 2021 (UTC) | |||
Is everyone okay with by ]? I don't mind either way these days, but I feel that this is something that should be discussed, since, ], it was argued in ] that the title should not be bolded because of the ] guideline. As that edit by The Devil's Advocate shows, there was even a hidden note about it in the lead. I was originally against the non-bolding, but GA reviewer/editor ] and editor ] argued against me on that and the non-bolding format remained. The Devil's Advocate's change of this article appears to be in response to about this type of style going on at the ] article; David Levy is also a part of that discussion. | |||
:That seems like a good neutral solution; however, if we include the allegations against Palin, should we also not include that they (at least appear to be) misplaced? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:28, November 18, 2021 (UTC)</span> | |||
I will inform SilkTork, David Levy and The Devil's Advocate of this discussion so that ] may be formed about this at this article. I ask that others who watch this article and therefore its talk page also weigh in. My opinion on the matter is what I've already stated above in this section (I no longer care either way). ] (]) 18:05, 17 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
::I think that has been included. "No link was proven between the crosshairs map and the shooting, and it is unclear whether Loughner ever saw the map." ] (]) 22:57, 18 November 2021 (UTC) |
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New video, audio, photographs from the shooting released by FBI April 2018
The FBI just released a whole load of evidence from the shooting which can be found here:. It's a lot to go through and i've just started looking through the documents myself. I'm still pretty dang new to contributing to Misplaced Pages, so with as much information as this is and with such an important page I don't really feel comfortable adding all the new information myself... I hope that sharing this helps! 2601:647:4500:EE3E:AC6A:17E8:F6D0:776F (talk) 07:52, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, It would take the average person a month of Sundays to look at everything in this archive, and there is no summary or thumbnails to help with sifting through it. I'm not sure if this is suitable as a cite or an external link for this reason.--♦IanMacM♦ 15:24, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
I quickly skimmed the list. Here are some potentially usable photos, but someone would need to upload them to commons:
- https://vault.fbi.gov/2011-tucson-shooting/2011-tucson-shooting-media/p3288157.jpg/view - weapon used in the shooting
- https://vault.fbi.gov/2011-tucson-shooting/2011-tucson-shooting-media/p3288170.jpg/view - perpetrator being apprehended
- https://vault.fbi.gov/2011-tucson-shooting/2011-tucson-shooting-media/dsc0026.jpg/view - unused ammunition recovered at the scene
- https://vault.fbi.gov/2011-tucson-shooting/2011-tucson-shooting-media/dsc_2491.jpg/view - receipt for the Glock 19 showing price & date of purchase
--K.e.coffman (talk) 00:32, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
- As for using the images in the article, the weapon is the one that could be added. The others aren't all that useful for adding to the article. The images are public domain.--♦IanMacM♦ 05:09, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
WP:Citation overkill
ChaseK7, regarding your edits to this article, there is no need for citation overkill. See WP:Citation overkill. Regarding your tag, I'm not sure what is meant by "outdated sources," unless the article is actually reporting on outdated matters that newer sources have shown to be in error, but as for broken links, it's easy enough to replace them or change them. Also see WP:Dead links. And keep in mind that this is a WP:Good article. Your contribution history shows that despite your account being new, you are not a new editor. So you perhaps do not need to be told any of this (except for the citation overkill part). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:57, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
I see that ChaseK7 was, unsurpsingly, blocked as a sock. Springee has reduced the material ChaseK7 added. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 12:56, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
Loughner's political views
Re this edit: A single source does not "prove the claims misplaced", it is simply a contrary viewpoint. I'm concerned about the style and tone of this edit, and also that it relies on a source that clearly dislikes other media sources and is largely based on Paul Bond's personal opinion.--♦IanMacM♦ 16:54, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- The edit was in clear violation of MOS:WEASEL and WP:NPOV, hence my modification to it. Incidentally I didn't realise it was a new addition. I hadn't heard of this shooting before yesterday and when I read this article for the first time that wording just clearly stuck out as extremely biased and problematic. How do you feel about the current wording ianmacm? I was almost going to move the sentence out of the lead and into the body myself, and probably would have done so if I had realised it was a recent addition. Damien Linnane (talk) 23:43, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- There is a much better source discussing this here. What often happens after mass shootings is that the media comes up with theories about the motive that are subsequently disproved. This is why Template:Current exists. Sarah Palin faced criticism for the crosshairs map which was regarded as tasteless political debate, but it is not seen as a motive for the shooting; Loughner may never even have seen it, as the Washington Post source says. I wasn't very keen on the Hollywood Reporter source because most of it is taken up by Paul Bond launching into criticism of other media outlets. The article should make clear that the theory that the crosshairs map was somehow a motive for the shooting is now disproven, but it doesn't need to be in the WP:LEAD and is probably best to have it in the main body instead.--♦IanMacM♦ 11:36, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
- That seems like a good neutral solution; however, if we include the allegations against Palin, should we also not include that they (at least appear to be) misplaced? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viktory02 (talk • contribs) 21:28, November 18, 2021 (UTC)
- I think that has been included. "No link was proven between the crosshairs map and the shooting, and it is unclear whether Loughner ever saw the map." Damien Linnane (talk) 22:57, 18 November 2021 (UTC)
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