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== Can you take a look == == Canvassing ==


It looks like there was (has been?) a large scale canvassing operation targeting Israel-related topics on Misplaced Pages, see . The first part of the article is not very convincing in my opinion but coordinating edits on Discord seems like a clear violation of the policy. ]<sub>]</sub> 19:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
I received a warning from Palestinian editors for editing the article "History of the name Palestine"
http://en.wikipedia.org/History_of_the_name_Palestine
After posting the section listed bellow I received this "official warning"
http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Tritomex
How I can protect my rights or contact the arbitration?


:It looks like they mention two different groups, the first they don't seem to name, the second being Tech for Palestine. It seems like most of Tech for Palestine's activities are transparent, including some past on-wiki coordination (see ]), but more concerningly, there's also coordination on a now-private Discord channel. It seems most evidence was deleted, though there are a few screenshots like in . {{yo|BilledMammal}} might have more information. — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>\<sup>]</sup> 20:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
"==Etymology==
The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the ] and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from “Plesheth”, a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as “Philistine”. Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the Philistine’s invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The Philistines were not ] nor even ], they were most closely related to the ] originating from Asia Minor and Greek localities.The name of the Philistines in their own language is not known; however, the ] also relates them as the people of "Kaftor" (כפתור in Hebrew, see for example the Book of Jeremiah Chapter 47, Verse 4). "Kaftor" is not of Hebrew or Semitic origin, which supports the possibility that this word is similar to the name they called themselves.<ref>http://www.enotes.com/topic/Philistines#Etymology</ref>"


::This isn't a forum, if there is evidence of something sanctionable, do the necessary. ] (]) 21:52, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Tritomex
::{{yo|Amayorov|Sean.hoyland}} just cc'ing you based on your related ]. — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>\<sup>]</sup> 21:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Thanks
::See also — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>\<sup>]</sup> 22:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::I agree the Tech for Palestine's channel for Misplaced Pages editing has a high likelihood of constituting improper canvassing. However, the issue would be stale if the channel is inactive. I have asked on the Discord server the status of their Misplaced Pages activities. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 14:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:::They say they discontinued their Misplaced Pages editing channel due to doxxing. I believe the issue to be now stale. ] <i><sup style="display:inline-flex;rotate:7deg;">]</sup></i> 12:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
<-Yes, I already read it. I learned that I am one of the top 30 members of this powerful group of pro-Hamas editors hijacking Misplaced Pages. So, I already know the author is either a bit dopey, dishonest or both.
* There is, no doubt, plenty of offsite coordination going on and there has been for years. We already know the use of deception and canvassing is relatively common among Israel supporters here of course, has been for well over a decade, and is seen as justified from an in-world perspective, so it wouldn't be surprising at all if these kinds of activities existed with the opposite valence.
* My view is that little to nothing can be done about it because it is not currently possible to prevent off-site coordination or any determined individual from editing in the topic area due to various technical and wiki-cultural constraints. For example, I believe that one of the people banned in the ] is currently active in the topic area, and Misplaced Pages's rather unserious approach to ban evasion, or the ranking of privacy over honesty, means that it can't be addressed. That's okay. Nobody died.
* Given the technical/cultural limits that can't be changed it seems, I would rather there was an emphasis on enforcing compliance with the Wikimedia Universal Code of Conduct's position that unacceptable behavior includes "systematically manipulating content to favour specific interpretations of facts or points of view" i.e. biased editing/activism. The normalization of biased editing/advocacy means that you naturally produce conjugate sets of editors with opposite valence forming something like an autocatalytic set or a self-sustaining fire. But again, anyone blocked for biased editing/advocacy/coordination/canvassing etc. can easily return with a new account and quickly become extended confirmed using numerous tools that Misplaced Pages provides to new users to get them started.
* On the article itself, it is hard for me to take it seriously as these kinds of conspiratorial, casually defamatory, attack pieces camouflaged as rational analyses remind me so much of antisemitic conspiracy theories and conversations I've had with street people over the years, including a man who believed he was John the Baptist. The primarily utility of these kinds of attack articles and low-quality media reporting about on-wiki-things for me personally, as someone interested in the dynamics of the topic area, is that they are a useful reminder of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect and they help to identify actors with an elevated susceptibility to misinformation and manipulation and/or a willingness to generate or inject disinformation into Misplaced Pages's systems either directly or by employing external vectors. ] (]) 03:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)


:Thanks for your response. Indeed a lot of the article seems like guesswork, maybe poor guesswork. Just wondering if anyone had dug into this further to determine what actual evidence exists.
== Hadashot Arkheologiyot – Excavations and Surveys in Israel, http://www.hadashot-esi.org.il ==
:To the extent that their is evidence of stealth canvassing, I think it should be acted on regardless of the editor's ideology. Certainly ban enforcement has its challenges, but that doesn't seem like enough reason to ignore rulebreaking. — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub>\<sup>]</sup> 05:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
::I'm also wondering if anyone has managed to have a detailed look at the Tech for Palestine activities to compile actual evidence of policy violations, and if not, why not. I guess the answer is no/not yet or else evidence would have been presented in the PIA5 discussions or at AE for specific editors by now since that information has been available for a while. I may be a lot more cynical than you when it comes to enforcing rules in PIA because I see sanctions/remedies as mostly performative nowadays. They appear to have little to no actual impact on the dynamics of the topic area over time unless they are machine enforceable like EC protection, and even then, the benefit is very limited. People enforcing rules in PIA doesn't seem to work. The main benefits of enforcement seem to be that it can be weaponized and exploited by partisan actors to keep the fires burning/take out perceived enemies and it provides reinforcement learning so that people get better at exploiting weaknesses in the system over time. I also think that much of what happens in the topic area, rule breaking or not, is not visible/goes unnoticed/is given a pass. This is evident from the number of edits ban evading accounts manage to make before they are blocked. ] (]) 07:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)


== RFC: ] ==
The web-site for Hadashot Arkheologiyot – Excavations and Surveys in Israel, http://www.hadashot-esi.org.il, seem not to have been working for the last few days (It was ok up until a week ago).
Does anyone know what has happend? Cheers, ] (])


This RFC might interest contributors of this project. ''']'''<span style="border:2px solid #073642;background:rgb(255,156,0);background:linear-gradient(90deg, rgba(255,156,0,1) 0%, rgba(147,0,255,1) 45%, rgba(4,123,134,1) 87%);">]</span> 19:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
== The selection of notable Israeli Jews in the montage that appears on the top of the article ] ==


== Sourcing for events at Kamal Adwan Hospital, Gaza ==
Please participate in ] and share your opinion. Thanks. ] (]) 06:58, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
:Reminder - please take part in the ]. ] (]) 15:58, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at ]. ☆ <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">]</span> (]) 03:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)<!-- ] -->
== Scope ==


== Discussion about "History of the Jews in ____" articles ==
Would historic articles related the geographic ] region, but otherwise unrelated to modern Israel, such as ] fall under the scope of this wikiproject? What about pages such as ] that are related to Jewish history in Palestine.


Please see ] dealing with articles about Jews and Jewish history. Thank you, ] (]) 17:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
] covers them. It covers (from {{tl|WikiProject Palestine}}) ''"articles related to the geographic ] region, the ], and the ]"''. Those examples wouldn't fall under the last two, but they are very related the geographic Palestine region.


==SHARAP==
Is this WikiProject like WP:Palestine in that respect, or would a historic article need to be more related to Israel and the Israeli people in some way beyond merely being related to ] region for WP:Israel to cover it? ] (]) 05:03, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I wonder if anyone feels like writing an article about this contentious subject? Or failing that a section for ]? All the best: ''] ]''<small> 16:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC).</small><br />
:Sure. --] (]) 05:33, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


== D. Grossman ==
::Also would people from Ancient Palestine such as ] be within the scope of this WikiProject? There seams to be some confusion about that on ]. ] (]) 09:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
:::As I wrote on the page, "Adding Jesus to WikiProject Palestine is a fatuous political move. It says nothing about Jesus or Palestine. It is as absurd as applying WikiProject Egypt to the Moses article." --] (]) 22:54, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


Could anyone of you please start an article on him here on en.wp? There is a lot of info sourced to him. I asked , but he seems o be on a wiki break. The article about him on Hebrew wp is https://he.wikipedia.org/דוד_גרוסמן_(גאוגרף) Cheers, ] (]) 21:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
== Help needed in expanding ] article (]'s new Party ==


== Articles about types of Jews as well as their histories ==
Help needed in expanding ] article (]'s new Party. --] (]) 07:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)


Please see the discussion at ]. Thank you, ] (]) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
== Requested move: Palestine → Palestine (region) State of Palestine → Palestine ==


== Requested move at ] ==
There's an RM for ] → ] ] → ] at ]. ] (]) 19:31, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 17:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)


== Requested move at ] ==
== Zionist Federation of Germany article? ==
] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 00:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


== ] ==
Would the Zionist Federation of Germany be notable enough for it's own article? ] (]) 23:41, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


Please find sources. ] (]) 05:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
== What types of attacks should be included in the template ] ? ==

Please participate in ] and share your opinion on the matter. Thanks. ] (]) 16:45, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

== Help improving professional/ Biography page of ] ==

I'm looking to create and improve entries regarding Israeli start-up,marketing and media industries and this specific entry brought me here. can anyone improve it and give me specific guidelines for improvement? What is needed to make it better?
] (]) 14:10, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

== Are "Palestinian territories" titles still appropriate for topic articles ==

There a discussion about weather topic articles about the West Bank and Gaza Strip such as ] should continue to "Palestinian territories" in their titles considering the recent UN vote at ]. ] (]) 04:37, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

== Please comment ==

Please comment on ]. ] (]) 11:55, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

== Operation Entebbe ==

], an article that your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. ]&nbsp;] 14:33, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

== 1948 Arab–Israeli War ==

I should probably post it on the 'WikiProject Military history' project. However, you probably more motivated/knowledgeable on the subject. I think that the ] and its related sub articles operation/battles/etc could really use a nice navbar, to make navigation more fluid. For your consideration.--] (]) 11:14, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
:There are already at least two different navbars being used—one for the major operations of the war and one for the souther front. What do you have in mind? —] <sup>(])</sup> 11:46, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

== RFC on Meta ==

Hello everybody, this is to inform you that a concerning serious abuses, violations and defamations by some WP's French admins against French WP's contributors involved in editing articles about the Israeli-palestinian conflict facing continuous harassement including unfair treatment of Anti-Semitic issues and accused to be Zionist/Israeli propagandists. Thank you for your comments. Yoav, ] (]) 10:35, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

== Moshe Friedman & Holocaust Denial ==

Have tried extensive truthful changes and their sources dont even say what they claim in the Holocaust denier Moshe Friedman article. Pls help and comment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/Moshe_Friedman] (]) 05:06, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

== Facts on the Ground ==

This phrase appears: "...Israeli settlements built in the occupied West Bank, which were intended to establish permanent Israeli footholds in Palestinian territory."

I made two simple corrections - which were immediately changed back by someone else. I corrected it to read: "Israeli settlements built in Judea and Samaria, also known as the West Bank, which were intended to establish permanent Israeli footholds in disputed territory."
1. Why can the Biblical names of these areas not be provided? Do readers around the world not have the right to know that these areas are what they read about in the Bible as Judea and Samaria?
2. The areas in question are not "Palestinian" - not under the Oslo Agreement, nor under any international agreement or proviso. In fact the are in Israeli territory. However, I wrote "disputed territories" so as not to arouse opposition and debate. Under what right does someone change it to mis-read "Palestinian" against all international usage?

How can these issues be resolved, other than me going in every few hours to change it?
Thank you. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:23, 15 January 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Because we use the common names of areas or things. The common name of the West Bank is just that (and Judea and Samaria, as well as being historic names, is also a very controversial name because that's what the settlers call the area). The same goes for "occupied" in preference to "disputed". ] ]] 16:37, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

---------> I can understand what you're saying about Judea and Samaria, more or less. But how does the same go for "occupied"? From a legal standpoint, the term makes no sense - who was it "occupied" from? There was never any sovereignty over it! (Jordan was never recognized, and the PA has no borders, even according to the recent UN vote.) Technically and in every which way, the correct term is "disputed." If Misplaced Pages doesn't use it, then who will??

=={{noredirect|Template:PA-geo-stub}}==
{{tl|PA-geo-stub}} has been nominated for deletion. -- ] (]) 01:00, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

== ] Page ==
This entry is seriously lacking. For a guy who is apparently a top 50 Israeli or all time, and now a major power player in your parliament, the biography is fairly brief. You all should get a professor or something to deepen it. Did he go to school, what are his polices, any details about anything? Maybe I'm asking for too much... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:59, 23 January 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Should the template {{Tl|Infobox Israeli Election}} be replaced with {{Tl|Infobox election}}? ==

Please express your opinion about this suggestion ]. ] (]) 19:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

== Idan or Iddan? ==

At ] a user pointed out that ] seems to be misnamed; apparently the official transliteration of the name is "Iddan". On the other hand, "Idan" is the transliteration used by Haaretz. Could someone more knowledgeable in transliterations of Hebrew than me please take a look and move the page if necessary? Thanks, ] (]) 19:59, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
:It should be "Idan" as far as I know. seems to have a mistake. ] (]) 21:19, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
::I agree that the current transliteration is correct. ] ]] 22:43, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
:Another "vote" for Idan, which is the common transliteration for Hebrew עידן, also correct per ]. The sign is actually not official (government), it looks like a JNF sign. —] <sup>(])</sup> 19:15, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I played tourist on Google street view. The large green road signs on highway 90 say "Iddan" with two "d"s before the turn-off in both directions. The white signs at the intersection pointing to the place also have "Iddan" in both directions. These are ordinary road signs, not special signs like the JNF sign. The Central Bureau of Statistics also uses IDDAN, see for example and many other documents at CBS. ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 14:07, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

== Notice of Dispute resolution discussion ==

{{DRN|thread=Triggerhippie4|article=Template:Governance of Palestine from 1948}}

==Menachem Cohen (architect)==
Well, I've created a stub for ]. I can see there's a Hebrew Wiki article on him, but I'll be darned if I can figure out how to enter the interwiki link -- or a link to the English page back from the Hebrew. Something about the right to left formatting is screwing things up, I guess. Anyway, please do add a link, either way, and a bot shall do the rest. ] (]) 02:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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Canvassing

It looks like there was (has been?) a large scale canvassing operation targeting Israel-related topics on Misplaced Pages, see here. The first part of the article is not very convincing in my opinion but coordinating edits on Discord seems like a clear violation of the policy. Alaexis¿question? 19:30, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

It looks like they mention two different groups, the first they don't seem to name, the second being Tech for Palestine. It seems like most of Tech for Palestine's activities are transparent, including some past on-wiki coordination (see here), but more concerningly, there's also coordination on a now-private Discord channel. It seems most evidence was deleted, though there are a few screenshots like in . @BilledMammal: might have more information. — xDanielx /C\ 20:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
This isn't a forum, if there is evidence of something sanctionable, do the necessary. Selfstudier (talk) 21:52, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
@Amayorov and Sean.hoyland: just cc'ing you based on your related discussion. — xDanielx /C\ 21:56, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
See also Inside the war over Israel at Misplaced Pages — xDanielx /C\ 22:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
I agree the Tech for Palestine's channel for Misplaced Pages editing has a high likelihood of constituting improper canvassing. However, the issue would be stale if the channel is inactive. I have asked on the Discord server the status of their Misplaced Pages activities. Ca 14:01, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
They say they discontinued their Misplaced Pages editing channel due to doxxing. I believe the issue to be now stale. Ca 12:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

<-Yes, I already read it. I learned that I am one of the top 30 members of this powerful group of pro-Hamas editors hijacking Misplaced Pages. So, I already know the author is either a bit dopey, dishonest or both.

  • There is, no doubt, plenty of offsite coordination going on and there has been for years. We already know the use of deception and canvassing is relatively common among Israel supporters here of course, has been for well over a decade, and is seen as justified from an in-world perspective, so it wouldn't be surprising at all if these kinds of activities existed with the opposite valence.
  • My view is that little to nothing can be done about it because it is not currently possible to prevent off-site coordination or any determined individual from editing in the topic area due to various technical and wiki-cultural constraints. For example, I believe that one of the people banned in the CAMERA lobbying case is currently active in the topic area, and Misplaced Pages's rather unserious approach to ban evasion, or the ranking of privacy over honesty, means that it can't be addressed. That's okay. Nobody died.
  • Given the technical/cultural limits that can't be changed it seems, I would rather there was an emphasis on enforcing compliance with the Wikimedia Universal Code of Conduct's position that unacceptable behavior includes "systematically manipulating content to favour specific interpretations of facts or points of view" i.e. biased editing/activism. The normalization of biased editing/advocacy means that you naturally produce conjugate sets of editors with opposite valence forming something like an autocatalytic set or a self-sustaining fire. But again, anyone blocked for biased editing/advocacy/coordination/canvassing etc. can easily return with a new account and quickly become extended confirmed using numerous tools that Misplaced Pages provides to new users to get them started.
  • On the article itself, it is hard for me to take it seriously as these kinds of conspiratorial, casually defamatory, attack pieces camouflaged as rational analyses remind me so much of antisemitic conspiracy theories and conversations I've had with street people over the years, including a man who believed he was John the Baptist. The primarily utility of these kinds of attack articles and low-quality media reporting about on-wiki-things for me personally, as someone interested in the dynamics of the topic area, is that they are a useful reminder of the Gell-Mann amnesia effect and they help to identify actors with an elevated susceptibility to misinformation and manipulation and/or a willingness to generate or inject disinformation into Misplaced Pages's systems either directly or by employing external vectors. Sean.hoyland (talk) 03:45, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. Indeed a lot of the article seems like guesswork, maybe poor guesswork. Just wondering if anyone had dug into this further to determine what actual evidence exists.
To the extent that their is evidence of stealth canvassing, I think it should be acted on regardless of the editor's ideology. Certainly ban enforcement has its challenges, but that doesn't seem like enough reason to ignore rulebreaking. — xDanielx /C\ 05:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
I'm also wondering if anyone has managed to have a detailed look at the Tech for Palestine activities to compile actual evidence of policy violations, and if not, why not. I guess the answer is no/not yet or else evidence would have been presented in the PIA5 discussions or at AE for specific editors by now since that information has been available for a while. I may be a lot more cynical than you when it comes to enforcing rules in PIA because I see sanctions/remedies as mostly performative nowadays. They appear to have little to no actual impact on the dynamics of the topic area over time unless they are machine enforceable like EC protection, and even then, the benefit is very limited. People enforcing rules in PIA doesn't seem to work. The main benefits of enforcement seem to be that it can be weaponized and exploited by partisan actors to keep the fires burning/take out perceived enemies and it provides reinforcement learning so that people get better at exploiting weaknesses in the system over time. I also think that much of what happens in the topic area, rule breaking or not, is not visible/goes unnoticed/is given a pass. This is evident from the number of edits ban evading accounts manage to make before they are blocked. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

RFC: Talk:1948 Arab–Israeli War#RFC for Jewish exodus

This RFC might interest contributors of this project. Andre🚐 19:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Sourcing for events at Kamal Adwan Hospital, Gaza

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Kamal Adwan Hospital sieges § Over-use of Al Jazeera. ☆ Bri (talk) 03:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Discussion about "History of the Jews in ____" articles

Please see Talk:Jews in Madagascar#Requested move 1 November 2024 dealing with articles about Jews and Jewish history. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 17:18, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

SHARAP

I wonder if anyone feels like writing an article about this contentious subject? Or failing that a section for Healthcare in Israel? All the best: Rich Farmbrough 16:40, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

D. Grossman

Could anyone of you please start an article on him here on en.wp? There is a lot of info sourced to him. I asked Rajoub570, but he seems o be on a wiki break. The article about him on Hebrew wp is https://he.wikipedia.org/דוד_גרוסמן_(גאוגרף) Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles about types of Jews as well as their histories

Please see the discussion at Talk:Georgian Jews#Requested move 12 November 2024. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 20:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Gaza Strip famine#Requested move 27 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gaza Strip famine#Requested move 27 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 18 November 2024

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war#Requested move 18 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Kav LaOved

Please find sources. Bearian (talk) 05:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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