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==User:151.124.106.64==
I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit ] - ] 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
:Thanks, ], your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — ''not'' in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? ] &#124; ] 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
::Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson ] - ] 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)


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Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.
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Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".
==Could you copyedit my Swedencruft, please?==


The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,
Bish, could you please take a look and remove any Swedishisms at ] and ], both of which I have nominated at ]. ] 17:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
:Sure, Tups, very soon. ] | ] 17:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC).


all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.
::Thanks! ] 06:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.
I finally over the haggling about the DYK entry on Uppström. I thought I had achieved a reasonably brief version of the entry but the powers that be seem intent on removing absolutely all the context. (Meanwhile I have written articles on ] and even more ].) ] 13:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:] is the powers that be? I don't ''think'' so, Tups, but whatever. It's a shame you gave up, but I can't say I blame you. :-( The janitor was the colorful part, I quite agree. Love the Cruft family! ] | ] 14:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC).
::Well, Ghirlandajo renominated the article after commenting out the discussion, so I went back there and insisted on my version, the one with the janitor. Against my better judgment. I really shouldn't care about this, I know... ] 14:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)


Thank you. ] (]) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
I was delighted to see "that news reports X of Y University will take over Z post at A university" in DYK this morning. It's good to know that DYK is now also In the News. ] 09:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


:Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
'''Note''' that both my pieces of Uppsalacruft managed to get on the main page on the same day. Of the various things Misplaced Pages wonders its readers if they know today, a full third concern manuscripts in the ]! ] 15:42, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
:If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
:Ha! Soon there will be room for nothing BUT Uppsala on the Main Page. When are you gonna FAC your university article? ] | ] 16:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC).
:They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. ] (]) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does '''' mean in your opinion? Or ''''? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and ] you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing <nowiki>{{unblock|your reason here}}</nowiki> on your talkpage. ] &#124; ] 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
:::Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
:::Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
:::And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
:::"''It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024''"
:::They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
:::Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
:::I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
:::I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. ]
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::::If you really think so, {{u|Not a similar account name}}, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the ] noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the {{tq|'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'}}. ] &#124; ] 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
:::::@] or even ] ] ] 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
::@] There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. ] ] 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
:::Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good ] that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. ] (]) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)


== Editing warring user ==
:So, wasn't it Jengod who was the head of DYK and in charge and running the circus? I take it that whoever it was, and it was someone able to exert some authority over the others, has gone on to greener pastures, because DYK has become a matter of an/i concern. ] 16:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)


{{no ping|Iimitlessyou}} has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on ], to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.


* is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
* they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"


At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: ]
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*They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
so sweet. I'm not sure that I can envision cohabiting with all the other folks on your list - do you have a nice big place for us all to stay? And then there's the matter of Mr. Spang.... :-) ] 16:16, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
*They reverted me a forth time for .
::There is? Oh, wow... ] 22:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC).


I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.
:Besides, she's already married to me. It was a secret ceremony. (No, I won't say which "she" I'm referring to.) ] 17:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I wish you both all the luck and fortune you deserve! ] | ] 20:47, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
::::You mean "you five," not "you both." It's a plural marriage thing. In secret. In camera. In vino veritas. ] 01:22, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the ], and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.
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:Note I've taken this to the ] where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. ] (]) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --] 00:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


::Sorry, {{u|Zenomonoz}}, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. ] &#124; ] 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
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:::No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. ] (]) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)


== WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India ==
I noticed that an RfAr had been opened regarding Sam Spade. In my opinion, it's long overdue. I long ago stopped trying to keep the ] article free of Sam's bizarre claims about hypnosis and Egyptian healing trances... but I've always suspected that a CheckUser request to check Sam's IP against that of ] and ] ''might'' just get some interesting results. -- ] 01:46, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you. Could you request a CheckUser check based on the specific reasons you have for thinking so, or alternatively tell me what the reasons are so I can request it? The CheckUser people will only perform checks if you have fairly specific suspicions (though naturally you don't need to have something ''conclusive''). ] | ] 02:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC).
::I have fairly specific suspicions that one or both of them was actually a Sam sockpuppet. Each of them showed up abruptly and with their very first edit made a declaration on the talk page about how very bad the article was in the version not preferred by Sam. According to Hyp, we should wait for a "more expert writer" to take an interest; CGameProgrammer also thinks "a real hypnotherapist eventually rewrite it" because "If someone wants to learn about hypnosis from this encyclopedia, they are obviously not primarily interested in the arguments against it; they are interested in it itself." These are both arguments that Sam had been making previously. In Hyp's case, it was his only contribution ever; CGameProgrammer, five months after that sole edit to ], started sporadically making posts elsewhere (never again to ]), so my suspicions that he was a Sam sockpuppet were slightly decreased (not fully allayed, however.) -- ] 14:48, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
:Sam ''has'' said that he keeps socks and keeps them alive. Sporadic edits, then none, and then sporadic edits again would be the very thing to duck the limelight and make a sock look like a foot. ] 14:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
::Please check your e-mail, AF. Geogre, you realize all the Outside Views have been removed now that the request is accepted? Only people who signed as "involved" are left. There's a logic to that, but it's a pity, since yours was nice and punchy. I don't know whether you'd like to re-post it and thereby self-identify as involved? (Compare the page instructions). ] | ] 16:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC).
:::One can move comments removed to the talk page of the case, right? Anyone can comment there, involved or no, I thought, and I believe ArbComm members indicated they do read that stuff and give it consideration... Hope that helps (I have no dog in the hunt regarding Mr. Spade... I just stalk bishie a bit from time to time, and this caught my eye!). '''<font color="green">]</font><font color="blue">]</font>''']: ]/] 16:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
:You too? (Yeah, my view and the other "outside" views are on the talk page now. I don't know if I want to be ''in,'' as I've almost never interacted directly with SS, but the reason for that is exactly what I discussed in my outside view. I don't talk to SS because I know what will happen, and so his typographical halitosis, as it were, clears out a space around his interests. We ''all'' carve out our areas, so that's no crime, but the way he does it by resorting to personal references isn't cricket.) Resolved: if I'm not as eat up next year as this, I ''will'' put my name forward for ArbCom. I thought about it seriously this year, but I knew I couldn't count on time, and I hate going through the icky to find the nut. ] 18:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi Bish,
== sorry ==


Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at ].
I am sorry. I made a typo. I meant to say "if rofl is not a personal attack "i" don't know what is." Sorry for the misunderstanding. Please accept my apology.--] 05:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
actually never mind. I read the wrong post. :)--] 05:55, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


So, the latest update in the case involves the Court ] until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by {{U|Valereee}}, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".
:(edit conflic) There was no typo, you did write "''i'' don't know what is". I wasn't quoting you, but using my own words: you call yourself "I", I call you "you". My point wasn't that you'd said something bad to ''me'' — you hadn't — but that the statements you were complaining about were in no way personal attacks. (Especially not ROFL.) If you think they were, I hope you grow a thicker skin, or life on the wiki is going to be very painful for you. Your foolish remarks about El C , on the other hand, ''were'' personal attacks. If you think they weren't, I hope you acquire a keener sense of what is due to others, or you'll keep running into trouble. You are still banned from WP:AN and WP:ANI. If you want to try to get the community to rescind the ban, you may post in the same thread one more time, to apologize fully to El C and to undertake not to waste the time and patience of the admins' noticeboard the way you've been doing. Try to show that you ''understand what the problem is'', and people may be lenient. ] | ] 06:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC).
::Sigh... I see you have replied to me on your own page also. Never mind, then. ] | ] 06:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC).
man you're kinda funny. well, for the record, i did know how to use the diff. link, i just didn't know there's a difference between the two. i guess then your comments on my talkpage was apparently made in good faith (although the wording was a lil angry) but anyway, about my talkpage, i'm gonna remove the comment in a sec. so yeah, i mean i'm not trying to be a "dick", but there is a bit of a double standard existing on wiki. Like, when I unknowingly removed Guanaco's name from the mediation committee because he had been desysopped (in good faith for i didn't know non-admin can be mediators), he was like seems like your edit is based on personal vendetta (Guanaco previously blocked me). It's sorta frustrating when ppl always look at your block log and stuff to determine whether your a good/bad person. 'cause i mean sometimes even if you're tryin to contribute, others interpret it as bad faith. well anyway just to letcha know. keep up the good work.--] 07:10, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
::Yes, I think you probably do mean well more often than it appears, but I do think you need to try harder to distinguish between things that are really different, and only look the same on the surface. For instance, you can accuse somebody of a personal vendetta for good reasons or bad reasons, and your reasons for speaking like that of El C were far-fetched, also insulting, also against common sense. Using the same term as somebody else doesn't make it all right, when the background is totally different. Anyway, you keep speaking of my post ''on your page'', but I hope you noticed that it was a post ''from'' WP:ANI? I posted it there first, so the community can object to my unilateral ban if they want. (But nobody has so far.) Anyway, I'm glad you thought my comment on Essjay's page funny, it gives me hope. :-) Peace. ] | ] 07:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC).


Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?
==Infinity0's userpage==
Your an admin right? Could you block the anon who just vandalized Infinity's page twice in 5 minutes? Their entire list of contributions has been vandalism of his userpage. ] 07:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
:Funny you should ask, I just did. :-) ] | ] 07:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC).
::yeah, I just saw that. ] 07:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)


:::Arghhh... my edit wouldn't go through at first. Wiki is up-down-up-down here in Euprope right now. But i blocked him just before! :-) ] | ] 07:50, 5 May 2006 (UTC). I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! ] (]) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)


:I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps ''The Hindu'' will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. ] (]) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry sir. I would hate to be put on fatigues or given a detention. :) ] 11:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
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My counter-argument was a bit ill tempered. Sorry about that. I think I'm getting sort of exhausted with the hours I'm keeping (waking at 4:30 AM, going in to grade, and then seeing ''thin envelopes'' from the bank arrive in the mail). I'm also getting headaches like Oswald in ''Ghosts,'' but without having had the pleasure that would have led to the condition. ] 14:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
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The thing is, I caught up. I actually caught up on grading. That only leaves me with 45 term papers (8-12 pp each) and 25 final papers (3-5 pp each) and 80 final exams to grade by Monday or Tuesday. (Ok, Wednesday, actually.) If I can do that, I can have my pay in hand by Friday, which will mean a happy spending spree before being sent up to a research library to do fact checking. The headaches are awful. ] 16:44, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
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:Oh, and the "Oh, come now!" wasn't ''entirely'' undeserved. I needed you to reassure Bunchofgrapes, and I wasn't lying. If I ''was'' lying, I sure didn't know about it (and neither did my own sainted professors). When I typed in those numbers, above, it started to look depressing again. I want to outsource my grading to Bangalore. ] 17:03, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
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:You can believe that, but it wasn't gray. Plays were illegal. Players could be arrested. Additionally, there was official censorship of the presses, so play-like works wouldn't be printed, either. Puritans were never known for being tolerant, and they were at their most intolerant during the interregnum. ] 09:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
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Just wanted to say thanks for reverting my user page - I was busy trying to work out how to deal with the vandal. Really appreciate it! Libatius 10:19, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
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== Invitation to participate in a research ==
Ha-ha! I have a new cat for my user page. Bet you're envious. ] 16:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)



== Herr Bombastiche ==

Thanks for the message, no I had not seen it. I avoid him whenever possible life is too short. I am now a new person avoiding all controversy, troubles and strife. I am now growing my hair, smoking weed and writing only on abstact articles. Peace! ] | ] 16:47, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

== Do you have a couple of minutes? ==
Hi Bishonen. Ok, I admit the Sw. Misplaced Pages Notice Board didn't work out so well when you asked for a favour recently, --- I myself have been busy recently with administrative stuff such as deleting loads of NowCommons images, maintenance of the Commons server and similar ungrateful stuff. However, I'm going to start writing some proper articles now, and I started with ], Skåne, and the such. May continue with Stockholm and Gothenburg.

Would you mind having a look at ] and see if there is something seriously lacking in the structure or in the information? If there is anything disturbing in the language, you are welcome to fix that too...

Reg. ]-] 17:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
:] looks good, including the English, though perhaps a light grammar copyedit might also be in order. I'll try to find the time for it. (I mean, you have to admit that those would be the famous ''Swedish'' couple of minutes, as in "Just a minute " At least they would be for me. I'm slow.) I'm sure you know much more than I do about what's supposed to be in a city article, Fred, it's not my strong suit by any means. No, I don't see anything lacking. Though I can't remember ever seeing a line of references immediately below a section, in the middle of an article; what's that about? ] | ] 16:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC).

== Recommended reading for the Salon book club ==

Have you read ] (up for FAC, ]'s work mostly)? It's really entertaining. &mdash;] (]) 04:26, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
:I love lurking, you find the coolest things. What a story! '''<font color="green">]</font><font color="blue">]</font>''']: ]/] 12:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC) (who never wants to sail anywhere by himself)
::I think it needs help in a paragraph (attrition), and the maps need to be embiggened. Otherwise, it's a great story. ] 13:23, 7 May 2006 (UTC) (Currently south of Baffin Island and making 300 miles per day by paddle.)

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:Bishonen: she's everywhere! ] 15:05, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
::Well, didn't you see my exchanges with several charmingly courteous users a day or two ago, with the name Infinity0 getting mentioned a lot? Ye olde chivalry lives on and no error. But I'm really only a proxy in this case. Now watch me go proxy on the evidence page. ]. 15:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC).
:::P.S. I was interested to see that you at first . :-) ] | ] 15:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC).
::I know, I know. More rumor of sockpuppets, etc. I just hit the wrong link from my watchlist. As for you, stray puppies beware! (Someone needs to be nice to newbies. Lord knows I'm not.) ] 15:19, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
:::We've noticed. (Grin, duck, run)... (I still have scars...) But you're not the ogre you want everyone to think you are, as I mentioned in my RfA... '''<font color="green">]</font><font color="blue">]</font>''']: ]/] 16:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
::Ah. :-) That's a '''secret''', dammit! On the other hand, for blocking without warning and wanting every passtime and game deleted, I'm your man. You can generally tell when I'm ticked off, because I begin getting very, very diplomatic and measured. If you see very ''careful'' language, I'm about to go ape. ] 18:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


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I don't understand, why this RfC is not yet approved, since there are already two users who certified it. Besides one of the other users who could certify this RfC is '''blocked'''. How is he supposed to certify? ] 21:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


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Who is the other user? --] 21:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)


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:Raphael1, I explain that in detail in my statement "View of the validity of this RfC by Bishonen" on the RfC itself, please take a look at that. Anyway, why did you remove the part of the RfC template — the instructions at the top of the page — that tell you about the need for the two people certifying to have attempted '''dispute resolution''' first? Please read those instructions now, if you haven't already; I've restored them to the top of the RfC page,, where they should have been all along.
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:How is he supposed to certify? He isn't. A blocked user isn't supposed to do anything on the wiki. If you need one more, and that particular person will be blocked for more than 48 hours, then you'll have to find somebody else. Why would he be the only other person who could certify it? It doesn't have to be somebody involved, it only has to be somebody who has tried to resolve the dispute. As I explain in my statement, you'd much better try to find someone to try to resolve the dispute who ''isn't'' personally involved, anyway. ] | ] 23:25, 7 May 2006 (UTC).


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I'm concerned about a courtroom conversion. One reason that there isn't much prosecutorial evidence being presented is that the bile is on one side only. No one wants to "get" or "get dirt" on the defendant, so, when he stops editing and calling names and trying to smear a person, that person wants to forget the whole thing and hope for the best. This is the behavior that has led to attrition. This is the behavior that has led to his "owning" a considerable number of articles. Indeed, in the evidence page, the defendant is saying that everything has been taken care of. Why, look! no insults since the RfC! In other words, "I stopped for the time being, so I'm innocent, and there is no case to bring." This is repentance before the bar. If it's repentence of heart is another matter, and for that we have to consider the past, consider the history. So long as everyone else is less bilious, less angry, and less interested in making issues personal, the defendant will get another chance and another and another, and a never-ending stream of new users will hit upon a controversial page and get ground into the dust by him, as all the experienced users simply stay away, ceding part of the project to his corner. ] 02:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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Bishonen, how long does an arbitration case actually stay open? I can't find any reference to timespan in the docs.


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I must say I'm very suprised to see you are the only person to lodge some evidence so far (especially since, as you said yourself, you are not one of the more recent victims of his edit wars). What happened to all those other people who were complaining long and loud about Sam's behaviour? ] 03:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
:Hi, thanks for writing. I don't actually think there's any great hurry, the cases stay open kind of ad hoc. But, yes, I'm a little surprised too. I hope a few people are working on it. If not, it's their choice (shrug). If you check out the post just above, you'll see that Geogre is concerned too, and has a theory to account for it (wouldn't you know it ;-)). I hope he's wrong, that's all. ] | ] 05:31, 8 May 2006 (UTC).
::It's a ''good'' theory, unfortunately. ] 10:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


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== Kefas Brand ==
Hi! Someone has recommended that the templates of Nobel Prize winners be deleted. Will it be ok if you just post your opinion at ]? Thanks, really appreciate it. =) ] 06:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,
==Honorifics==
Please have a look at ]. Thanks ] 11:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
:Oh, sheesh, another one? Is there a more pathetic creature than a duke-lover? Thanks for letting me know. ] | ] 13:11, 8 May 2006 (UTC).
::*I couldn't agree more. Personally, I've always preferred a Marchese over a Duke any day. ] | ] 13:18, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
::I prefer a ]. ] 13:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Don't you need ]s for a ]? -- ] ] 13:34, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
::Well, Mr. Tos, the Italian immigrant who came up with the recipe for ] did not use any birds at all for the confection, although, being Italian, he did like nuts. ] 15:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
::* Well you can save your sarcasticals because ALoan is going to ban him for a very long time indeed! Then he'll be sorry. I note also your sarcastical comment on commas Bishonen, and you are woofing up the wrong tree there completely. Lots of people from arownd the world have problem writing English commas, because English is a language that has very badly constructed sentences - just look at some of the problems I have squeezing in the odd fullstop. Thank goodness I am grounded in the Latin tongue, and not forced to permanently converse in a language invented by screaming peole painted blue and wode - Yes, I am coming to Swedish next. A very new language I beleive! ] | ] 13:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)


So in July 2024 you protected ], ] has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –]<sup>]</sup> 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
==Vandalism==
:The content is in fact different, ], so I guess AfD is the better fit; ] was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for ] also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. ] &#124; ] 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
::Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages ( and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
::I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –]<sup>]</sup> 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)


== A barnstar for you! ==
Bishonen am I right in thinking you have the power to block IP's? If so, there are a couple of vandals over at the ] page you might like to scrub ] 13:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks. I the little guy; the big fish had just . ] | ] 14:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC).


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:Hey, what a fine star! Thank ''you''! ] &#124; ] 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
::Thank you for being so proactive at blocking that user IP. I appreciate your work. <b><span style= "font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:#00C000"> ]] <sup>(])</sup></span></b> 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)


==My guess...==
== A question for you ==
: Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
: Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
: Give my regards to 'zilla. ] (]) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
::Hi, ]. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied ] or they lied ], or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked {{u|Girth Summit}}, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. ] &#124; ] 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
::: Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. ] (]) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. ] &#124; ] 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::Welcome in pocket, little ]! ] ] ] 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::: What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of ], and if I'm not then it's a lie. ] (]) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::: Pint-size James! ] ] ] 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).


:::It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. ]] 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Hey, you probably don't know who I am, but I'm - or I was trying to be - a friend of ]'s. Don't worry, she didn't send me to talk to you or anything. She's blocked and that's that as far as I'm concerned. In fact, I was astonished by the lenience shown her, what with being unblocked half a dozen times or so by different administrators.


== ''Scheisst'' ==
What I wanted to ask you was, is there any way this could have been prevented? This is the second or third time I've seen a newbie editor (well, *ahem*, newer than me ^_^;) flame out and get blocked over personal attacks and rude behavior. I spent quite some time, and probably several thousand words, trying to advise Maggie against doing the sorts of things she did, which as far as I can tell she went right on doing. :(


''ist wie Scheisst macht''. ] (]) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
The next time I see this start to happen with a new user, is there something you can recommend I do, other than just pointing them at ] and ] and praying they read them? ] 03:47, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
:Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? ] &#124; ] 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).


== NOTHERE user ==
:Bishonen knows the answer to this but Bishzilla, her nefarious alter-ego, won't let her tell the rest of us. Because we sure don't know. Personally, I don't think the PAs are really the root of it. Rather, it's the sure belief that one ''knows'' the truth, so one's edits are by definition good, right, just, and NPOV. Pointing at WP:CIVIL or WP:NPA is trying to put a band-aid over one symptom of this syndrome, and it rarely works. &mdash;] (]) 04:44, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user {{noping|Powerinhand}}. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - , . He also created which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.


It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. ] (]) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::I saw that Esperanza was mentioned/involved somewhat. Unfortunately they seem to be having their own problems over the past few days. Are there any other groups around like that?
::I know that when I needed help editing I put the 'Help' template on my page and someone showed up like magic. It would be nice if there was an equivalent group for people who need help with 'WP:There *really* is no cabal' and 'WP:Please don't bite the old editors either'.
::Sigh. As with Kasreyn, I don't have any complaints and I'm not going to call Bish a rouge (sic) admin, it just seems like that could have gone better. Is there a policy or guideline or even essay anywhere that says newbies who are having trouble shouldn't listen to people who have been blocked a lot for causing trouble?
:::Yeah, that bugged me ''a lot''. As soon as she started openly warring with admins, a horde of freakin' ''vultures'' descended on her talk page to tell her ''no, you're in the right, they're all wrong, anyone who tells you you're wrong is '''in on the cabal''', but us? We're your '''friends'''.'' Bitter jerks. And naturally, when I tried to suggest that ], she immediately brushed me off. It's a shame. ] 08:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
::Maybe we need to start suggesting that everyone read Fred's (?) essay on WP:NOT therapy. Goodnight, everyone. May all of your wikistress levels drop below the red.
::Ah-ha! End of pointless existential maundering and a comment actually aimed at Bishonen! May I ask, why does one of the less-stressed levels of your meter turn you 'Dutch'? 'Godzilla', 'Zen', 'Opinionated', 'Full Deck' and 'Illegal Smile' all make sense to me, but 'Dutch'- Not so much. ] 06:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Nothing interesting, sorry. "Dutch" was just an unsuccessful attempt to entertain a Dutch editor, and in its turn inspired the illegal smile. Maybe I'll get round to putting something better some day; the Zen Moods are a bit of a time capsule, as changes to them are beyond my photoshopping skills and I need to ask my son who lives with me (no...no... he's '''not''' 18, you know that's crazy talk!) to help. Or Geogre, who has fixed up one of them. But neither of them loves such chores. ] | ] 19:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC).
:::::Let me know if you want them edited, I can help take the load off the little tyke and Geogre. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
:::The Dutch manage to have a ''legal'' illegal smile. ] 10:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Note that there is a new Geogre's Law: #9: "If I don't close my parentheses and brackets, I can never die." ] 12:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


:To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . ] (]) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hey, Miles. Sorry, I only have a Bishzilla answer to give about your valiant efforts to present TWS with a clue. It's the first impulse of the best users... but, sadly, I'm coming to the conclusion that Aggressive Clueless Newbie Syndrome is a serious condition with poor prognosis. :-( I've never seen an ACNS case in remission. And there's a logic to it: they discover the site and that Anyone Can Edit. They read the articles on their favorite subject --politics, or religion, or their pet branch of pseudoscience--], ], ]. They see that the articles are full of "lies", and set out to "fix" them. They're happy and feel useful, and expect praise; imagine the shock when their edits won't stick because an obvious liberal mafia or sceptics conspiracy or atheist cabal VANDALIZES their work! And if the user was already in a bit of a troubled state when they arrived, well... I won't go on. But nothing good follows, and I agree with Unca Bunch that Knowing the Truth has a lot to do with it. The nightmare outcome is when these "contributors" stick around for so long that they become familiar with policy and are able to ] it to some effect, as opposed to brandishing irrelevant guidelines at random the way TWS does. Because then you have... shudder ... the rare but monstrous . ] | ] 17:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC).


::This is a new user, ]. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in ], and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. ] &#124; ] 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
:Dear Bishonen (the sublime),
:::Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. ] (]) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, I could see the progression too. It was like a train wreck in slow motion. That's why I hadn't been involved for a while. TWS was editing in good faith *as she knew it*, but... Yeah.
::::Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them ] when they pop up again.-- ]<sup>]</sup> 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
:Be careful of mentioning that last name. ACBWSOTs can hear it when you speak their name aloud in the light of a computer monitor. ] 18:01, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::Thanks @]. Will do. ] (]) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::Haha. Click on the link and you'll see how used he is to hearing it in Bishzilla's dulcet tones. ] | ] 18:19, 10 May 2006 (UTC).
:::::Thank you very much, my little ]. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. ] &#124; ] 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).


== Gracias == == The Admin's Barnstar ==


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Thanks for dropping a line on my page concerning Thewolfstar's AN/I thread. I spent the past two days driving from North Carolina to Texas, which was the longest break I've had from Misplaced Pages for a while... sad. At any rate, it seems that the issue has already been settled. I agree with the admins and support the decision (although I hope to review in a few months if possible), but at the same time, it comes with disappointment. She had potential to make some great contributions, but... got distracted. At any rate, I appreciate your seeking community consensus before indef blocking, and taking the time to notify concerned parties. There's probably an admin barnstar somewhere that I'd give you for doing all that, but I'm too lazy to track it down. Just consider yourself having received it, along with my thanks. Have a good one. <b>]<sup>]-]</sup></b> 07:42, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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LOL. Thanks, guys, for the compliments and the star and the ....hmmmm ... ahhh... the lovely boils. ] | ] 17:28, 10 May 2006 (UTC).

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==More vandalism==


* Did 'shonen do something useful for once? ]&thinsp;] 06:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
Bishonen, sorry to bother you again - I don't really know whether you are the appropriate person to point out vandalism to - but there's a guy who has been repeatedly dropping a block of rightwing drivel onto the Socialism and Criticisms of Socialism page over the last few days.


== ] ==
I just checked his edit history and it appears he's been deleting entire Wiki pages and vandalizing others. He's changed his IP at least once but this is his latest version: 130.216.191.184 Here's a link to his edit history http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=130.216.191.184 . Check the edits to the Helen Clark page, the Wiki Sock Puppety page, and the Egyptian Revival architecture page to name but three. Thanks, ] 04:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
:I may not always be here, indeed, and I sleep sometimes, so ] is the best place to report straight vandalism, it's supposedly watched round the clock. Unfortunately that won't do much good with 130.216.191.184: there's not a lot anyone can do about about an IP-hopping POV-pusher who out of the University of Auckland...! An IP like that can only be blocked very briefly. That's why you see a bunch of experienced users, such as CBerlet, simply reverting the pest. As long as controversial articles are well watched, that's what we can do to keep bastards like this at bay. The next step would be reporting him to the university. For not-so-obvious cases of vandalism--"bad users"--report on ]. Busy page, though, and everybody hates dealing with these IPs, so you may not always get much joy there. And if you're an IRCer, use #wikipedia on Freenode if you come across anything that needs real fast intervention, such as serial page-move vandalism. See ]. ("Conversations are occasionally off-topic": to get familiar with the channel, join #wikipedia any time for a chat about human sexual anatomy.) ] | ] 06:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC).


Look familiar? ] (]) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Dammit I thought I had the guy by the short and curlies. Obviously if he's posting from Auckland Uni there is no way of knowing whether he is responsible for the vandal edits.


:]. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, ] (]) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
However, he does also post under another nic and IP, they are ] and ]. I'm guessing the last is his home IP.
::Thanks, ]. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title ]. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. ] &#124; ] 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
:::Hello @] I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks ] (]) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
::::No, {{u|Idrisskunle}}, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in ] — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual wikipedia editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also . Thank you. ] &#124; ] 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
::::: @] thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
:::::once again thanks for your response im greatful. ] (]) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)


== Ah well ==
If he isn't perpetrating outright vandalism I'm not sure what to do about him. What he '''is''' doing is making continual, blatantly POV rightwing edits on a number of articles, including Socialism, Criticisms of Socialism, Hugo Chavez, Criticism of Hugo Chavez] etc. I note also that while he was lecturing us on allegedly trying to "filter...valid, relevant, verifiable" information, he hypocritically went to the Central Intelligence Agency page and whitewashed ] a number of well established facts from the "Historical Operations" section.


I tried.
The problem I have is that I don't know how to deal with a user like this. He isn't an outright vandal, so I can't get his IP blocked at the Wiki page you mentioned above. But he's clearly inserting outright POV/scuttlebutt into articles. And while he's responded on the Talk pages a couple of times, it hasn't stopped him in the least from repeatedly inserting his POV rants into articles regardless of consensus. Basically he just ignores consensus.


Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Now my understanding of Wiki is that we are supposed to make every effort to integrate a new user into the system, but this guy is showing little if any interest in co-operating. I'm also pretty sceptical, quite frankly, that someone with as clear an agenda as this can ever be integrated into a consensus framework.
:Not much you can do with a pure troll, ]. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? ] &#124; ] 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
::Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦&nbsp;]&nbsp;]&nbsp;🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)


== Block evading ==
So what do I do? Do I just continue to revert him, hoping he eventually goes away? (this seems problematic to me for a number of reasons). Should I get a formal or informal RfC started on the guy? I mean, what's the usual way of dealing with this sort of problem?


The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address ] ] (]) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, ] 10:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


:] seems to be related to the ip ] (]) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:Blocked both. Thank you. ] &#124; ] 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
:PS, please take any further information to ANI, , rather than to my page. ] &#124; ] 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).


== Email ==
::There is a... ] or something like that... where school vandalism is supposed to be reported. It was announced on AN/I. ] 10:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


{{You've got mail}} ] (]) 07:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
== Thanks ==
Thanks for your watchful eye and attention in the recent AOL/IP issue. That was a particularly bad sequence of blocks. I appreciate your efforts. Best wishes. ] 08:50, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
:Sorry I had to give up and go to bed, W. I turned the horrible mess over to #wikimedia-tech and I see even they had a lot of trouble with it. I am darkly suspicious of the situation at ]. Take a look at the message I just left there! Last night no doubt it was difficult for people to locate the original block in amongst all the autoblockery...but I see it, and now I've linked to it on David Shield's page. ] | ] 09:03, 11 May 2006 (UTC).
:100 autoblocks! Almost terrorist in impact. I'm sure that other ''responsible'' users were impacted as well. ] 09:08, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::You mean people who don't encourage ]s ? :-P ] | ] 09:22, 11 May 2006 (UTC).
:::Response to your message - Obviously I'm not as good at searching the block log as I thought. When I first responded I couldn't find anything with that user's name on it. I assumed that meant that the IP had been blocked automagically and that you had to be an admin to see it (for IP privacy reasons).
:::It was another user who said the block was clearly a mistake. I just saw the 'helpme' message and was willing to assume good faith. Once I realized Danny was involved I decided that it probably wasn't something I wanted to be involved with :) (I've read the mailing list).
:::Based on editing pattern, you might check the history of ]. ] 13:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Well, it's a redlink now, so maybe you won't check it. Blocked for WP:NLT and oblique maybe or maybe not physical threats. :/ Wait a second, 100 *different* autoblocks? Does that mean 100 different attempts to edit from the same IP? That's a bit obsessive. I'm better out of it. ] 13:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::(edit conflict) It looked like somebody did just that, with a minute or two between tries, and a new hash number each time. They're easy to unblock, but when new ones come in at that rate...:-( Yeah, we'd all be better out of it, except that WBardwin apparently doesn't have a choice. Anyway, don't feel bad, that log has the worst search function — I ended up simply ''reading'' it. 's a better autoblock search tool, courtesy of ] (though that still wouldn't have found the original block).
::::::I didn't know about ], he seems like a lovely person. Apparently the userpage was moved to ] and then deleted (us superhumans can still see the history, kindly fall down and worship). ] is still there. ] | ] 14:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC).
:::::I was wondering if I needed to notify anyone that another sock appears to have made it through, but one of them has already vandalized Woggly's page and the other has posted a message on Danny's page complaining and threatening him over the deletion of the puppet-master's vanity article. I suppose it's a silly question, but how can he think '''that's''' going to turn out well? ] 13:56, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


== Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of ] ==
== ] ==


Hi Bishonen, {{noping|CharlesWain}} has violated 3RR in the article on ] in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty, I'm free at last! ] 14:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
:Hello there, glad to hear it! As if to keep global incarceration constant, shades of the prisonhouse begin to close upon the growing girl. But first, tonight: to the '']''! ] | ] 14:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC).
I went on IRC last night to tell you that I had discovered that I'm immortal. The way I figure it, if this last session didn't kill me, nothing can. If you're off to see the Street Urchin and Jenny Diver and all the rest sing about that notorious German cuthroat Captain Macheath, that at least is some recompense for future burdens. Me, I'm just waiting for paychecks. I endured their crime, and now I want pay for my time. ] 14:57, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


:They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - ] (]) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
*'''''Urgh!''''' I'm immortal like ], maybe. I had forgotten how much I hate low molecular weight heparin shots. ] 16:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
:Why did you use <nowiki>{{noping|}}</nowiki> template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as ] violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this edit. ] (]) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
*At least I got paid. Now my bank will fumble and sniff the check for a few days before they ''agree'' that I got paid. ] 12:34, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
::Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, ], as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making ''more'' than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the <nowiki>{{noping}}</nowiki> template here was not appropriate. ] &#124; ] 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
** Spendin' da dough, spendin' da dough! ] 13:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Noted. Thanks & Regards. ] (]) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)


== Parties... == == Hmmmm ==


I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar).
]...have you seen him? That's me on the left.--] 02:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)]]
Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ ] (]) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by ] into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. ] &#124; ] 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).


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== User Tarret == == just so you know... ==


Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug . ] (]) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I see you restored some deleted content on ] and left a message about it. I happened to be watching his talk page because a comment of mine was summarily removed from there as well, recently. It seems he likes to remove people's comments from his talk page, always marking them as minor edits, without responding to them &mdash; and apparently he sometimes does so as an anon edit. It seems very rude to me, but whatever... - ] <small>(])</small> 17:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
:: <small> sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself ] (]) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC) </small>
:Yes, I never got any reply from him either. The IP sometimes does rather worse edits, removing content from other pages. I will keep an eye out for vandalism (thanks for reminding me) but there's nothing I can do about mere determined rudeness. ] | ] 17:30, 12 May 2006 (UTC).
:I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. ] (]) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. ] (]) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I know, thanks, ]. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. ] &#124; ] 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
::::I've got it. --] (]) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
::::{{tq|I'm a slow little old lady.}} No one says that about you as far as you know. ] (]) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)


== Help with RfC == == Past disagreements ==


We've had disagreements both here- and not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. ] (]) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen... I finally posted a ]. The page is currently covered by statements from the problematic user in question and I don't know how to proceed. I asked Tupsharru for some input but he didn't respond. Since I know you have experience with RfCs and dispute resolution, I would just like to ask for a suggestion how to proceed?
:], I've done what I intend to do about that ]. I've no further comment. ] &#124; ] 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).


== I'm always coming to you for advice ==
Thanks, ]-] 17:46, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article . That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see ), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me , in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to ], who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of ]'s many, many socks (see ). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.
:Sorry for not responding on this previously. First of all, I have been pretty sure this user is the same as the one creating trouble on other Finland-related pages, such as ], and I believe the RFCU confirmed that, but you and Mikkalai don't seem to agree. Second... well, I just feel that with all the bullshit, I wonder why this user can't just be indefinitely blocked. Why do we have to go through all the trouble? (Partly rhetorical question.) ] 18:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. ] (]) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::OMG what a mess. Ping me on IRC, Fred, and I think we can simplify this, indeed. And if you've got time to join us, Tups, it would be perfect. ] | ] 18:35, 12 May 2006 (UTC).
: Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. ] (]) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for ''how long'' such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.


::Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. ] &#124; ] 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
== Now you've done it ==
:::For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
:::While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. ] ] 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is ''not'' Leonid. – ] 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. ] &#124; ] 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
:::I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor ''intentionally'' attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. ] (]) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::In that case, I've revdel'd. ], do you wish to oversight? ] &#124; ] 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
:::::Done. – ] 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::::::Thanks. ] &#124; ] 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).


== A barnstar for you! ==
. And "Schvatjester". &mdash;] (]) 23:32, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


{| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;"
:Masquerading? Why Bish, whatever can you mean? (It's too bad there isn't an emoticon for 'nod nod, wink wink, say no more')
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:How was the Threepenny Opera? ] 00:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar'''
::An orgy of low-lives. ] | ] 00:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC).
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For dealing with a nasty case of racist, anti-semitic vandalism. ] ] ] 05:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
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*Oh, wow, thank you, ]. "Dealing with" sounds so masterful; I mainly messed it up. Relieved I got it right in the end. The credit goes to ]! ] &#124; ] 10:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
*:@] Well, in the end, you did your best, teamwork happened, and everything turned out well. Good job all around! {{smiley}} ] ] ] 19:46, 22 November 2024 (UTC)


== Your view on Mauryan Map ==
::(edit conflict)From your POV, is that a superlative or a complaint?
:: Before edit conflict -
:::Sorry, I should have remembered there is no irony on the internet. :) No, I'm not assuming GF, we both know exactly who that is. My fault: Even in real life people think I'm serious when I'm trying to make a joke.
:::I'm still willing to try to hammer in WP:NLT and WP:NPA. Who knows, maybe the horse will learn how to sing. ] 00:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:He's assuming Girl Friend? Geez. Bishonen's being claimed by all these men. I'm telling you hounds: we got married in a secret ceremony to prevent our warring families from preventing it, and the Duke had an order that anyone disturbing the peace would be banishéd. (I couldn't resist making a few comments. I know I'm not supposed to have tripped over, etc., but that was just irresistable.) ] 02:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @] ] (]) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::Ahem. 'Good Faith'. I don't have a degree in literature *or* a chest wig, so I'm just a bystander here. ] 16:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. ] &#124; ] 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
:You have no idea how rarely those things work on getting girls, so when one finally ''does'' fall for it, it's natural to get protective. ] 18:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
::understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. ] (]) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
::which? Chest wigs or literature degrees? In your case, I'm thinking both? '''<font color="green">]</font><font color="blue">]</font>''']: ]/] 18:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:Exactly. Actually, my chest wig is prescription. After all those surgeries I had, the doctors prescribed it for the sake of the public's digestion. ] 20:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC) (open heart, appendectomy, cholecystectomy, open heart)


== Listening to Admins == == November music ==
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greetings from a trip -- ] (]) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
:Aw, ]. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (''Defiantly:'') But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! ] &#124; ] 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
:: Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang ] at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --] (]) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)


==You've got mail!==
Yeah, I know I should listen to Admins, it's just it kinds make me mad since he said it was just an opinion that God made the earth, when the Theory of Evolution is an opinion too, it's just someone else's opinion. ] 00:43, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
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:Replied and actioned. ] &#124; ] 09:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC).


== For no reason at all == == My topic ban ==


You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.
] ] transition fishapod (lobefinned fish)]]
So there. '''<font color="green">]</font><font color="blue">]</font>''']: ]/] 01:36, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:That still wouldn't be a very strong argument. <sigh> Look, I'm a Christian and I believe that evolution is an accurate theory, so I'm not a fundamentalist, but I play with fundamentalists every day, and finding a transitional form wouldn't do anything to their objections. (One argument they could mount is that evolution, to be a valid theory, has to be testable by recreation under controlled circumstances to eliminate other causes of change, and that hasn't been done.) My problem with the literalists is that they're reactionary and don't even know it. For centuries and centuries, Christians regarded Genesis as 100% true and 0% literal. The article on ] discusses this a little bit. Long, long before Darwin, Christian thinkers were pointing out that the stories are true, that they're not "just symbolic," that they're not "just stories," but they're also not history. It took the triumph of empiricism and ''then'' Darwin to stir a reactionary position that was, in fact, unnatural for Christians. However, they can never cease to be reactionary if people taunt them. Their position is not a rational one, but an emotional one (and not a religious one, either). So, given that it's emotional -- a reaction against certain attempts to deny faith that leaves them in the false dichotomy of "every word literally true" or "it's all a joke" -- taunting does nothing but keep them from the position of freedom and comfort such as used to be found in Christian communities, when it was possible to discuss truth as four fold living words and not just history and annals. ] 02:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
::Whoa.. Sorry! I just thought it was a neat picture. Didn't really think about the transitional fossil/evolution, etc. aspect of it at all, that was NOT my intent. Someone left me a ] a while back so I went looking for weird creatures to leave for my friends... and I love the name "fishapod", it's goofy. I left this one in a few places. Major apologies if offense was given. '''<font color="green">]</font><font color="blue">]</font>''']: ]/] 16:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Hey, it made me smile. What a cheerful-looking fellow! And, you're right, "fishapod" is fun to say. Almost as much fun as ... "bishapod" !!! Perhaps we've hit upon one of the transitional forms of bishzillan evolution! ] ] 17:07, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Bishi's evolving? Ack! ] '''<font color="green">]</font><font color="blue">]</font>''']: ]/] 17:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
]
:Sorry, Lar, I was just reading it in the context of the fellow next break up who was being baited for being a creationist, he says. I have no truck with the creationists. I think they're silly. At the same time, there is a ''lot'' of baiting of fundamentalists that just doesn't seem productive. (I was just going on and on about it on my talk page -- the trollish change of the userbox "Christian." Again, I have no patience for the userbox, would never use it, don't think it's important, etc., but the changing of it was an overt attempt to poke someone in the eye.) My apologies for thinking you were tweaking the feeb. BTW, now that you mention it, it ''does'' look a bit like a Barney the Dinosaur tadpole -- complete with inevitable non-threatening grin. ] 18:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
::"He says" is right. ] | ] 18:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC).
:::AArgh!! Barney the Bishapod!!! Sorry folks, revamping Tiktaalik is just going to have to jump up my todo list: it was a rush job working from photos of the model and the cheesy grin just happened, the skull's really more triangular and it should look more alligatorish. If anyone's desperate to keep this silly version, give me a shout and it can be uploaded under a new name: maybe Barneyapod? :/ ..], ] 19:05, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I ''like'' Barney the Bishapod. He's cute and cuddly. He no doubt went extinct from being hugged to death! ] 20:49, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:::If you make it all realistic and scientific and stuff it won't be ''nearly'' as funny, I mean, geez. Perhaps you can recolor it the way panderichthys was ?... I'm thinking um, since that one was green... why not go purple! '''<font color="green">]</font><font color="blue">]</font>''']: ]/] 20:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:::: ''If you make it all realistic and scientific and stuff it '' .... a plushie fishapod! What a great idea! Hm, I wonder if it's already on the market... ] ] 21:07, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
]
NO! The noble cause of Science must come first, and it is my Duty to try to make Tiktaalik more accurate and less cheesy. With limited success as you can see from the image at the start of all this tosh. However, community spirited as I am, yours truly has bowed to public pressure and a cuddly Barney the Bishapod with a remarkable resemblance to your old cheery pal should now appear to the right. I demand a cut on any sales! ..], ] 18:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"
:Aww! A bishapod for Freply's (somewhat more intimidating) Darwin Bish to (gulp) play with! They're both lovely, thank you so much! ] | ] 18:58, 14 May 2006 (UTC).


1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.
==The number of users (Thewolfstar etc..)==
Care to fill me in? I am kinda curious what 'evil' you have supposively done. :) --<small>] ]</small> 01:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)
:Hi there, Kawai neko! Not sure what "the number of users" refers to? But let me break down my offences for you:


3) edit warring - @] has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.
:#If you read thewolfstar's talkpage archive , you will get a goood picture of my crimes. I know it's long and, uh, kind of repetitious, but just do a search for "Bishonen". As you can see, the posts ''from'' me are few; I soon decided that arguing with TWS was too surrealist for me, I'm impatient that way. But the discussions ''of'' me are pretty comprehensive! ;-)
:#It was me who blocked TWS indefinitely as having exhausted the community's patience, . Do click on the link I give there to the block log, it's kind of hair-raising. The ANI thread, which is linked to in the message, is also very telling. Unfortunately it's been archived from the ANI page, so you'll have have to use the diff to the first post that's supplied in block message.
:#And thirdly: yesterday I blocked ] as an obvious sock (or possibly meatpuppet). It's not editing from the same IP, but the CheckUser arbitrator that I consulted laughed at the idea that it would ''not'' be a sock. And indeed, I'm convinced the community will uphold the block. That reminds me I need to go post it on ].


He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)
:That's it, enjoy your reading. ] | ] 08:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC).
::"the number of users" was refering to multiple users (puppet or not) complaining about you for blokcing them.
::It appears clear second thoughts are not necesary in this case. You didnt really had to give a lenghty response. :)
::In any case thank you for your time.
::--<small>] ]</small> 17:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).
==Erich Heller==
Bish, I hate to ask you every time I think something needs attention, and I have asked Geogre to take a look, but hopefully there is someone among the people with either page on their watchlist who knows something about German literature. The author of ] has asked for comments on the talkpage. It is a fairly specialized topic and I don't know if there is any point in taking it to peer review, as I see that most requests there get ignored. ] 09:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). ] (]) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
==You asked...==
:Topic ban immediately violated . ] (]) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
...Now here's the answer:
::That topic box was started before my topic ban ] (]) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:::What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, ]. Please read ] more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries '''and your own user and talk pages'''. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. '''That is not allowed''', as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
:::When I see you went to ] and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read ] at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. ] &#124; ] 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
::::I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
::::But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
::::I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. ] (]) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:*'''Vandalism/Disruptive edits'''
:- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]]
:-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]</nowiki>
:-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
:*'''Bad Faith'''
:- ], no idea how this is bad faith.
:*'''Original Research'''
:-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
:- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
:- Even my current article ] is getting called 'original research'.
:@] my defence. ] (]) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)


Hi again, {{u|JingJongPascal}}. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about , and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the . The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.
Ways are what people will do in order to ensure advantages for themselves, while won'ts are the opposite, although commonly people do not conduct this in a manner that will lead to disadvantageous situations; it frequently occurs without realization.


As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.
Also posted at ]. &mdash;] | ] 18:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)
Thank you. ] | ] 18:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC).


Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy ] to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: ] (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard ), ] (deleted after ]), ] (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), ] (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), ] (deleted after ]), ] (deleted after ]).
:''Won'ts'' are the opposite of what people will do in order to ensure advantages for themselves? ''Won'ts'' are what people won't do to ensure disadvantages for others? Got it. &mdash;] (]) 19:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:: Nono, you've doubled the negative. ] ] 19:56, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:::No, I ''tripled'' it. So it's still right. &mdash;] (]) 19:57, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also ] from {{u|Vanamonde93}}. ] &#124; ] 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
==Never grease your weasel==
:::: Mrph. Those weasel words are dang slippery when you go to count them. :-) ] ] 20:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC) :also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN ] (]) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
::I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at ] are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all ''pages'' (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the ''parts of other pages'' that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "]"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the ] area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. ] &#124; ] 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
::::: Never grease your weasel. You'll go blind. ] 20:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
::::::There's just no such thing as a non-religious conversation with Geogre anymore. &mdash;] (]) 21:30, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:::and yet he gave me a edit warning.
*Bless you children, I am returned to you! Put it down Geogre! I'm sure that ] has split an infinitive or something horrible there. I know I can't speak English but that just does not sound right to me. I thought she had left us all anyway. Why has she returned? - who has encouraged this, unwelcome visitation?- BoG you seem to be going a little scarlet! "A chi dai il dito si prende anche il braccio" (''old Italian saying'') Advise from the religiously confirmed: "Deprive the ferret of its oxygen and it ferrets to hectares new" (''new Sicilian saying'') ] | ] 21:54, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Please do something, he did it without any consensus. ] (]) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
**And here I was worrying that this page was getting all, "coherent" and stuff... Well, glad ''that's'' sorted! It's back to normal now that Giano turned up. '''<font color="green">]</font><font color="blue">]</font>''']: ]/]
::::? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing ], a page they created themselves. Also, ], I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? ] &#124; ] 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
***Thank goodness for online translation services. "To who from the finger takes also the arm." Hmm. You make no more sense than EE, Giano. Are you Canadian? &mdash;] (]) 22:07, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
*Don't try to be clever with me please! It's all very well for Auntie to announce she is giving advice; but is she qualified for such a role? No she is not! All this being nice and welcoming to all and sundries - what does it achieve? Weasels in the fireplace, that is what! Bishonen is too nice for her own good. I am not at all nice, but I have no ferrets in my fireplace. Why do you think this is? Now you all think on that. ] | ] 22:11, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see ], before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. ] (]) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
** Er, ferretproof chimney grates? A deweaseling service? Mustelid management professionals? ] ] 22:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::], I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did ''after you were T-banned'' doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ] article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See ]. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.
*Ah! A wise man at last has arrived. You see BoG you have so much to learn. Freddyspong here understands exactly the advice I am giving. Beware the worm in the wood haemeroid ] | ] 22:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
** Freply's a woman. Careful of your ferret. &mdash;] (]) 22:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
*** Freply's a woman who is currently boggling at the idea that we have no article on ]. What kind of encyclopedia is this? ] ] 22:56, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
*I'm telling you, if you keep that up with your weasels and your ferrets, you're going to be in trouble. It's very clearly outlined in the '']'': "The weasel we take to be a common symbol of Lust that gnaws through even the mildest of hearts" and "The ferret is the very type of theft, for it stealeth both day and night." So, you keep that up, and you'll find your nights missing and no more money left on the dresser. Better to be like me: a Sniper of Love. ] 22:44, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
***You embarrass the establishment with your gender confusion, Giano! Say hallo to Mrs Spang! And now....
*****Allo beeyootifulla lady!.... you wanna see my very macho chest-wig and "gold effect" medallion? ] | ] 07:25, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
******Um.... hi! I'm thoroughly dazzled by them, thank you. It's an, um, impressive combination. ] ] 12:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
*******Gerroff! Vixen! Don't you try your wiles on my good Eyetalian boy! ] | ] 13:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC).
******** Hey, he wiled me first! ] ] 14:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
*******Is this silliness really necessary? Bishonen was curious to know something, and I answered &mdash; the chapter ends here. I really cannot grasp this conversation without complication. Anyway, if you want more information, come visit North America or at least check ]. Now I will go with as little insult as I can. &mdash;] | ] 15:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
* I'm not a wileding anyone, I always willing, in fact I wiled, I willing, just not willerding. Come Freply, Caro mio, (can I call you Freppie) let us leave this place and go a willerding in the woods. Bishonen, I willa take you willerding tomorrow ] | ] 17:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
::You babblers! Do you even realize I've been d? Isn't anybody gonna go defend me, except dear Bunchofgrapes? Giano! Don't ''you'' care? Geogre?
::/me holds out hands for the handcuffs and is hauled off shouting ]! ] | ] 18:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC).
:::I'll get the wheat whites and wine for my ]. No worries over the RfAr; it's just the sound of a small dog barking, and if you talk back, it'll just bark more. ] 19:12, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
:Will? Willing? Weleding? Yes, that's the worldwide web for you. :) &mdash;] | ] 18:30, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
::EE, frankly, if you're unhappy about my page, how about just taking it off your watchlist, hmm? Just a suggestion. Didn't I see you just above mentioning that you were leaving now? Perhaps you have some friends of your own to banter with? Your replying to my question was nice, but replying ''here'' as well as on WP:ANI where I actually asked seems a bit excessive in the first place. And I really like for people to be able to spread themselves here without having the "necessity" of their "silliness" questioned. Very little of this thread has anything to do with you, you know; people merely omitted to make a new subheading when they went on to other subjects. I'll do it. There, happy? ] | ] 19:29, 14 May 2006 (UTC).
::*Yes, I agree. Go away and don't come back. Jetz, meine kleine Freppiechen, Caro mio, where were we ] | ] 19:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
:::*It seems to be Bish's day for w*ding in the woods - I wouldn't want to be rude to our gracious hostzilla! ] ] 19:11, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
:Only that it is very difficult to realize this when the header had not been placed. I just happened to respond on both pages and I figured everyone had to make a joke about it (which, as I confide, appeared rather unusual). Now I am not leaving Misplaced Pages because there is no reason I have to, and I will never leave unless I have to in some sort of way. Thankfully, the friends I have garnered on this website are sincere. Please do not elaborate on this comment or on what "sincere" means. If I ever come into contact with either of you again, it'll be for good reason. <small>Examples, please? Those are my ways and won'ts. ]. I should ask her &mdash; myself, sorry &mdash; for advice. &mdash;] | ] 19:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
::Good grief, I was referring to what you said ABOVE. Namely that you were leaving my ''page''. I would encourage you to. Nobody's talking about you leaving wikipedia. At least I'm not, and was not. ] | ] 19:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC).
:::</small>Uh-huh. Well I'm done posting here. Permanently. Can't wait to see the mock that follows this message here. :) &mdash;] | ] 23:19, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
::::It's a ] ]! If you're not here, you can't be waiting to see the mockery, and if you can't wait for the mockery, then you're here, but if you're here then you can't be waiting to see the mockery.... ] ] 02:18, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::] further steps are going to have to be taken at this point. Our administrators are the ones who are completely corrupted. And again I'm afraid I'll have to continue to post until this silliness comes to a ''halt''. &mdash;] | ] 20:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::Excuse me? You're going to have to keep posting? On my page? After you've gone on and on about how you're ''not'' going to? And have been requested not to? Yet another familiar pattern. Calm down, now. Get this: what my friends post on my page is not your business. Who asked you to troll this page and interfere in other people's conversations? That provokes people, you know. If you post here again, you'll be rolled back like a common vandal. If you post '''again''', you'll be blocked for harassment. Do you want to go down that road again, really? Wouldn't you rather work on your articles, now? As for you, Giano and Geogre, just cut it out, you're not funny. ] | ] 21:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC).


::::::You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ], which you're ''banned'' from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described . You can appeal either at the ] ("AN") or the ] ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the ] ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our ] projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. ] &#124; ] 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
]
:::::::look at my talk page , "November 2024".
:::::::You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. ] (]) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::(] padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as ], and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. ] (]) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks, ], you're very right. It's all right for ] to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
::*You added an extremely bad main source for your article ] (later moved to ]) ], only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's ''Chaulukyas of Gujarat''. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name ], describes the writer as "an ] spiritual writer and teacher associated with the ] in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
::*Editing against consensus ]. Note Remsense's edit summary.
::*Original research: ] of ] (now a disambiguation page). Compare ].
::*], you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then ]. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for ] in another article?
::*] to ] is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
::*Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.
:*I also want to say I was sorry to see ], JingJongPascal. I hope you're getting help. ] &#124; ] 21:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
:*:Don't worry @], most of that is humour! ] (]) 06:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:*:I wouldn't say that the Mughal Empire one was disruptive, as the sources were present in the article themselves, but I can agree on the "Indian Empire". ] (]) 06:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)


===I asked=== == December music ==
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But I think I found it. ] 15:13, 14 May 2006 (UTC) (I'm referring to my socks. I wanted to know where they were after ''last night.'' Turns out, they're in Sweden.)
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:Cool, I was just looking for a good place to put them. (Your ears?). Now if you'll excuse me, I'd better go write a response to the Request for Arbitration that ] has filed against me. ] | ] 15:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC).
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And now I've spread my thunder all over the place. If I keep on rumbling, people will stop believing that I'm an Frost Giant (or troll or Ogre of the Earth or Ge-Ogre) and think I'm just another battling admin. Still, the targets were tempting, and the rhetoric came (I lisp'd in numbers for the numbers came). ] 19:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
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I seem to swing my mighty hammer best when there is an RfAR workshop page to aim at. I don't know why that is, but I've risen to my greatest rhetorical heights and delivered sharpest blows in such cases. Go figure. Everybody needs a talent, I guess. ] 02:25, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
:: Well, at least there's some ''variety'' in the religion-speak. ] ] 19:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC) I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- ] (]) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. ] &#124; ] 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
:Sure. There is Christianity of the Roman Catholic, the Anglican, and the Assorted Protestant sort, Norse myth, and ''Star Trek.'' I think that covers most varieties of religious experience on Misplaced Pages. ] 19:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
::: Dare I mention.... Scientology? ] ] 19:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC) :: Listen today to the (new) ] --] (]) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::On the heckelphone! Thanks, ]. ] &#124; ] 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::That's not a religion, and I'm not funny. Tom Curse is funny. Conan O'Brien did a great bit where Mayor McCheese is OT VIII and standing up for Tom Curse's religious choices. ] 23:03, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
:::: Listen today to ]'s 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the ] when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with ], because he was on my ] this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --] (]) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: I come to fix the cellist's name, with ] and new pics - look for red birds --] (]) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Today is ]. --] (]) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - ] it's another great woman, soprano ], and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote ] for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --] (]) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Seeking assist on ] ==
==Aunt 'Zilla's Etiquette Tips and Intimate FAQ==
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Place your questions below, please.


Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in ], which has persisted with ] and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply ] for contributing objectively on WP.
'''<big><font color = "green"> Wikiquette </font></big>'''
:Question: Is it acceptable to rotate on the wiki?
:Answer: On talkpages only. And only until you get dizzy. '''PS, it is not proper for disgraced criminals to rotate, obviously. ''']


Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. ] (]) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
'''<big><font color = "orange"> Cheese, butter and fine dining </font></big>'''
:Question: Was I violating ] by reverting ? -- ] 23:37, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:Answer: Is it or is it not your business what he uses it for? Yes, you did. ]


:Hi @], this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. ] (]) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
'''<big><font color = "brown"> Tokyo </font></big>'''
::Hi ], do take note that this is one of the many instances of ] by said IP address, going against ]. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) ] (]) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:Question: Do you have any advice for revitalizing Tokyo's decaying urban core? -- ] 23:40, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? ] (]) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
:Answer: /me destroys Tokyo.
*Why are you moving this from ]'s talk to mine, ]? Please don't canvass admins at random. I'm afraid I don't in any case have the time for it. ] &#124; ] 13:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
:OK, done. ]


== Métis Nation British Columbia ==
'''<big><font color = "red"> The budoir </font></big>'''
:Question: When she says "I'll be right back" and goes to the restroom, but she doesn't come back...how long should you wait before you call a cab? ]
:Answer: Call a cab what? /me falls over laughing at dinosaur wit.
'''<big><font color = "blue"> Hygiene </font></big>'''
:Question: What do you do to clean bits of buildings off your teeth, and how do you get rid of those embarassing school bus stains? ]


I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:Answer: Do yourself a favor with the fair, or any, sex, use the Bishzilla range of toiletries for all your daily needs. For your special requirements I recommend flossing with Bishzilla's Dental Hawser and exfoliating with the Velvet Smooth Gravel Paste for that shiny, scaly, first-date look. And don't forget the rouge. ]
:Thanks, ]. There was a note at ]. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done ''nothing'' on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. ] &#124; ] 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here ({{cvt|-25|C}}), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have ] from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! ] &#124; ] 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::::The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. ] (solidly non-human), ], ] 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


== Revert ==
'''<big><font color = "purple"> Rent-A-zilla</font></big>'''
:Question: ] features a "rent-a-zilla" which Largo has taken out for a spin more than once, much to the dismay of shopkeepers in the vicinity. Do you know how much the rental is, and do you have suggestions for how to break into the business? It seems like it might be quite lucrative! ]
:Answer:
::Dear Mammon, dear Mammon, you have no complaint
::You are what you are, and you ain't what you ain't
::So listen up, buster, and listen up good:
::Stop wishin for bad luck and knockin' on wood.


I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:


Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per ]? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."?
'''<big><font color = "#870440"> Trolling </font></big>'''
You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article.
:Question: What should one do when brought as an involved party into a nuisance RfArb? -- ] 04:57, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. ] (]) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, ]. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See ] and ]. ] (]) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)


:Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. ] &#124; ] 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).
:Answer: Bask in the glory, and enjoy the obvious envy of paltry musclers-in! Actually, I like your "<s>federal</s> case"... Felonius Monk's "contrived embroglio" is the best so far, though!


==Io Saturnalia!==
'''<big><font color = "#3399CC"> Trolling 2</font></big>'''
:Question: How should one deal with an anonymous, infallibly cheerful, persistent "friend" ? ] 12:53, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
:Answer: At all times, apply the 'Zilla Zolution.


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== Season's Greetings ==
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==Continued hounding despite your warning==
{{Ping|Qalb alasid}} has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you for battle ground conduct as they did so only to now they have reverted my ] of ] ,] ,] and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on ] and edited ] where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of ] me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - ] (]) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ]. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, {{u|Qalb alasid}}, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. ] &#124; ] 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
::Thank you, @]. @] - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
::For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
::Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per ], "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
::Based on ], "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @], is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? ] (]) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, {{u|Qalb alasid}}) ]-quoting? Just a suggestion. ]. ] &#124; ] 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).


== Thank you for granting the selfblock ==
I have brought a request for arbitration naming you as an interested party. &mdash; ] (]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;]) 04:24, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. ] (]) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)<br>
== admin noticeboard ban ==
:Very glad to hear it! ] &#124; ] 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
::] Merry Christmas, young clown! ] ] ] 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
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'''Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025! ♦ ] (]) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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== Hope you are doing well ==
I hope you can reinstate me from my ban. As you might've noticed, I already posted an apology on Elc's talkpage. thanks--] 06:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
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:Bh, actually I asked you to post once more in the same thread on ANI, to put your apology there and ask if other people were ready to reinstate you. But I do understand that we had an honest misunderstanding about that, and, yes, I noticed your apology to El C. It's fine, you're welcome back, I'm sure you don't have any time-wasting posting in mind. Feel free to use the noticeboard. If I don't remove your posts, I bet nobody else will either--they probably don't even remember there was a problem. Or if you like you could add a note that this is OK by Bishonen now, if you prefer. ] | ] 10:16, 14 May 2006 (UTC).
I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ] <small><small>]</small></small> 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hi, ], very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! ] &#124; ] 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).


==Merry Christmas!==
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Bishonen, did you miss my post to you above? Under the "More Vandalism" heading. If you don't have a suggestion that's fine. I guess we'll eventually work out something collectively if he continues to make a nuisance of himself anyhow. Regards ] 10:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
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I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! {{smiley|christmas}} Whether you celebrate ], ], ], ], ] or your hemisphere's ], this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. ] (]) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC) <br />
:Gatoclass, indeed I did not miss it. I apologize. I've been thinking about it and trying to pull myself together to write a responsive answer. (In the meantime, I know you see me bantering with the guys, but that doesn't mean I'm taking time off, as such--that's something I do with my toes while simultaneously grading papers!) See, the problem is so difficult, and so common. It's exactly the place where the "dispute resolution process" crumbles. The next step should be either mediation or an RfC; the trouble is, only good users are interested in taking part in them. You get worn out trying to RfC guys like that, because:
#Writing up an RfC is a lot of trouble, while responding to it is easy, and why would he even bother to respond at all, when it's even simpler to go on just as he's been doing?
#His political opinions and POV--I warn you I'm a bit cynical here, and ''my'' bias may be showing--mean that there are lots of users around the place who'd be ready to support him at the RfC, on the principle that "You're just saying he's a bad editor because of his decent godfearing patriotic opinions, OMG liberal cabal!" I hasten to add that I don't mean all, or even most, politically conservative editors behave like that! But the ones that do are a big group and a suspiciouos, confrontational, aggressive lot. :-( So an RfC is likely to be unbalanced by people with an axe to grind.
#Finally, since the case is so common, it's hard to generate constructive interest in an RfC in an unknown editor with that editing pattern. It's not like when it's Sam Spade!


<small>Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{]:]}} to your fellow editors' talk pages</small>.
So altogether I see an RfC as being a lot of trouble with most likely little result. Mediation might be better. Mind you, I think he'd be unlikely to agree--why would he, presumably the present situation is fine by him--but at least there you'd have the advantage that requesting mediation is dead easy, you wouldn't be investing a lot of time and frustration, and who knows, it ''might'' go somewhere. You might take a look at ] and ].
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] (]) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
But my most practical advice to you is to discuss the issue with the other editors of the articles. CBerlet comes to mind as a highly experienced and dedicated editor, who's been through the wars on the politically controversial articles. (I haven't--I know my temperamental limitations--I'm very interested in the articles as such, but I can't stand trying to work against the hostility and filibustering one always encounters at them. I try, and then I leave, like a coward. :-() I hope you find some way of either working with, or dealing with, that guy. ] | ] 12:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC).


== Season's Greetings ==
: I didn't really see an RfC as a valid option either. I was really just trying to get a handle on how this sort of thing is usually handled on Wiki. To tell the truth, I just hate reverting people cold, even if they are POV. And it's not something I want to make a habit of.


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: Anyhow, I'm not going to worry about it anymore. Sooner or later, this guy is going to wake up that his edits are futile. Then he will either leave, or start participating in the process like a responsible user. And either way, the problem will be solved. Thanks for taking the time to explain the score to a Wiki-beginner :) ] 14:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | <blockquote>When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it." </blockquote>


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]] nicht verloren". Entry ticket at the student carneval at ] 1896.]]
Have you seen ], as used on ] and ]. It seems they missed the origin of the phrase (but I added it to the Swedish version). ] 14:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
:Wow, 1896? Cool! ] | ] 13:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC).


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== Happy Holidays! ==
Hello!


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As an established Wikipedian, I was hoping for your assistance regards a particular article. Specifically the article on ] - it is a new article, but was submitted in a very much complete state. It now has properly sized imagery, is professionally written, expansive and all emcompassing regards it subject, is NPOV, of a good length - and cites references. The subject matter is, to my mind, interesting. Thus, should it be nominated as a Good article? Or, as a featured one? If you feel the former, then by all means add the "Good" article tag - along with some advice if you can. If you believe the latter should be appropriate, again any advice regards this would be great - if you could leave a response on the linked articles Talk page, that would be great. Thanks! -- ] 22:25,14 May 2006 (UTC)


] (]) is wishing you a ] ]! This greeting (and season) promotes ] and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!
:Thanks for the block, though I think the scamp had given up by then. And, uh, this is awkward, proving that I clearly stalk you -- you seem to have responded to the question above with a review of the wrong page. ], not ]. &mdash;] (]) 01:06, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
::Piss. I mean, that was a plant — a test of ''your'' personality. Didn't twig, huh? ] | ] 01:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC).
:::Bish, you failed. It's the No Personal Attacks Personality Test, and when you said "piss," you were clearly insulting Bunchofgrapes to test his personality. ] 02:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Seriously? I mean, I know he's written articles about ] and ] and stuff — but ]? ] | ] 02:18, 15 May 2006 (UTC).
:::You mean that you were telling him that you think that ] is a good article, or that it's a featured candidate? It can't be the latter, as talk page form 10-stroke-2203 hasn't been filled out in triplicate and lodged on the talk page, and it's obvious that the spacing is all wrong. ] 02:23, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
::::I'm afraid ] is a disambiguation page and thus disqualified out of the gate. I suppose I could always work on ], there's a prime candidate for GA. &mdash;] (]) 02:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
:::You're working on drinking urine? It sounds unhealthy, but I suppose you would just have to close your eyes and gulp. Ummm, would this be your own or ... Nevermind: I don't want to know. ] 02:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Perfectly safe and sterile either way, don't you worry! Did you read the article? Vaguely fascinating. &mdash;] (]) 02:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I did read it. It left me feeling vaguely nauseated, and we can only hope that ] doesn't see it. ] 02:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
::::If Bunch gets ] up to GA status, he could be rightly ]. ] ]
:::If it goes through ], he can be '']''. ] 14:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually, urine is used by some yogis as an aid to meditation, and medical science has shown that there is indeed a chemical in urine that (from memory) distorts the sense of time, thus allowing longer meditation sessions. These urine drinking yogis also prefer the urine from children, which has been demonstrated to have higher concentrations of this particular chemical. ] 07:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


''Spread the cheer by adding {{tls|Xmas5}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
:So ''that'' is why he always kept ] with him. ] 11:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
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My apology and withdrawal: . &mdash; ] (]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;]&nbsp;&bull;&nbsp;]) 22:48, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


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Seriously, you can't be for real! "we can pretty much assume you are not a troll, vandal, or clueless newbie"?? "I hope you still enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian, and won't get mad over something stupid and leave!"?? "don't get all grumpy and leave over nothing"?? The stuff is bizarre. I can't possibly welcome people with ''that''! Should I create oldwelcome2 with normal wording, or can we agree to put this monster out of its misery? - <b>]</b><small> ]/]/]</small> 01:15, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
:Well, why ''would'' you welcome people with a template you don't like? I presume people use it as a joke, planting it on people they know will appreciate it--I know I do. After all, an oldie isn't like a newbie, an unknown quantity; they're someone whose tastes and sense of humor I'm aware of. (If I'm not, then I'm not going to use this template, obviously.)
:Please do create oldwelcome2. I don't understand why you would need to gut this one for the purpose. I don't even understand why you feel an urge to badmouth this one, as opposed to simply not using it, but hey, YMMV. If you check the history, you'll see that you're the first person to edit it after it was created by ], in July 2005, so it doesn't exactly seem to have been provoking or annoying lots of people in the meantime. I'm not only for real, I might even be almost normal. ] | ] 01:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC).
::Seems pretty funny to '''me.''' Since the thing was invented and used solely as a joke, I can't understand how anyone would even ''find'' it unless they were in on the joke, much less ''use'' it. Therefore, I can't understand why its mere existence is an issue unless folks are simply going through every template and evaluating them as if they were articles. If they're doing '''that,''' I need to hear about it, because I'm convinced that about 90% of the templates on Misplaced Pages need to be deleted, along with the user boxes, and all the little tags that litterbugs drop on articles when they have no intention to help the article in any way but still want to show that they like to pass a judgment. ] 17:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Ok. I was unaware that it's a joke. Perhaps it should be clearly labelled as such. Thing is, I saw it used on someone in earnest, and I was petrified that we were giving this language to not perfectly new, but still sort of new under-welcomed users! The reason it passed under the radar is b/c it's not referred to in the page which lists all the non-private welcome templates. Ok, I will just use welcome instead of creating oldwelcome2. - <b>]</b><small> ]/]/]</small> 17:45, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


] (]) is wishing you ]! This greeting (and season) promotes ] and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user ], whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year! <br />
==Erich Heller==


''Spread the cheer by adding {{tls|Happy holidays}} to their talk page with a friendly message.''
I copyedited much of the ] article not long ago. All my edits were immediately reverted by an IP number editor. Ach! I don't want to discourage the editor hard at work on the article; but the issues of NPOV and house style might actually be as well covered by going back. Also, we need to have a word about using edit summaries. ] 11:52, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
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:Checking. I see what you mean. Wow. Do you think the IP and Prof2 are the same person? Anyway, the Prof doesn't seem 100% aware of the way the History works, from his comment about "Bishonen's posting on the article's History page". I'll go put in a reference to the ] page for him on ]. There's a template I could use, I believe, that would give the info right there, but I don't know what it is. (<nowiki>{{editsummary}}</nowiki> isn't any good for this.) Anyway, perhaps you could join me, and bring up the house style and your being reverted...? It's a bit late to revert to your excellent copyedit, though, I guess; that ''would'' discourage him. (You should have had an invigorating edit war with the anon right away! ;-)) ] | ] 18:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC).


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:I suppose Bishonen hasn't been to WP:AGE yet. Bunchofgrapes doesn't qualify yet. You have to have more in your retirement account than your checking account to go there. ] 23:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
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::If that's the criteria, I qualify easily. But that's saying more about my checking account than anything else. I still think I might qualify for ] on my own merits though. &mdash;] (]) 23:36, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
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::I'm so old that I remember the free issue of ''Popular Paranoia'' that came with the Infocom game "A Mind Forever Voyaging," which was a game that didn't have any pictures at all. None. No pictures. Just a carrat cursor and a neat language parser. ] 02:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


== I was responding to an edit summary I saw from User:Doug Weller ==
==Re: I wish you no harm (either)==
I feel the need to make '''this my final response''' because of what you posted on my talk page. One: no more communication would be pleasant. Two: an RfC was filed against you before, yes, I see. But there is no mention of HW there, so, uh, I don't understand. Three: I ''promise'' this is my last post since I felt the need to respond to you. But this is it, this is it, this is absolutely 100% ''it''. Now if everything really you conducted was under the assumption of good faith, then excellent effort. I cannot argue with those words.


]. I was hitching up the dogs and I put a quick block on it, intending to give it a longer look when I returned. I didn't intend to add a second notice, just forgot to hit the correct toggle. I acted hastily in removing TPA, I'll concede. ] (]) 11:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
I wish you no harm either. Just please ask your friends to refrain from conversing about me here on out on Misplaced Pages; obviously I do not really care what occurs outside of these walls. &mdash;] | ] 19:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
:I looked at my admin stats and I'm still at 174 total blocks; I'm way inexperienced at that aspect of the work. Happy to be corrected by somebody who has been in deeper kimchi than I. ] (]) 11:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::Kimchi. Hehe. ] &#124; ] 14:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC).

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October music

story · music · places

You may remember Maryvonne Le Dizès, my story today as on 28 August. Some September music was unusual: last compositions and eternal light, with Ligeti mentioned in story and music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Beautiful, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 21:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC).
Thank you! I made Leif Segerstam my big story today. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
My story today is about a composer and choir conductor, listen to his Lamento. - My story on 13 October was about a Bach cantata. As this place works, it's on the Main page now because of the date. I sort of like it because today is the birth date of my grandfather who loved and grew dahlias like those pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Happy whatever you celebrate today, - more who died, more to come, and they made the world richer. Greetings from Madrid where I took the pic of assorted Cucurbita in 2016. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

User:151.124.106.64

I've extended your block on this account. This is yet another incarnation of a multiple sock that has been repeatedly reappearing over may months. The now expired short protection on my talk page was to stop previous attacks from other SPAs obviously linked to this. If you are not happy with my action, please feel free to do as you see fit Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Jim, your block length is fine. However, did you notice I hardblocked them (in my second block)? I ticked "Apply block to logged-in users from this IP address", because after checking the IP's contributions, I realised that the attack on you on your page had to come from some way you had disobliged them — say, blocked them — not in the form of this IP but in some other incarnation — likely an account, or more than one account. Your longer block is not a hardblock. Should it be? Bishonen | tålk 11:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
Sorry, missed that, hard blocked now. There are some giveaways with this vandal in that their other edits follow a pattern, notably references to Samuel Claesson Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Macrobiotic Diet

Firstly, neither of those comments about Bon Courage were "attacks". If you read their talk page, you'll find it is littered with other people complaining about their editing warring.

Secondly, neither was my editing "disruptive".

The Misplaced Pages has strict policies, which surely you as an admin must be aware off including; a) the removal of any content that is not supported by references, b) NPOV/bias, c) discussion on the talk page,

all of which I was engaged in, at an intelligent & informed level, while Bon courage was just grinding their POV & reverting, & offering zero engagemnt.

You have no grounds to enact such an onerous punishment.

Thank you. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:07, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I see. There's a whole load of material on the internet about you abusing your admin powers, and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks" - precisely as you have done to me, so I guess I am wasting my time appealing to reason with you?
If you care at all about 'accuracy' on the Misplaced Pages, you've allowed the other party to turn the lede into nonsensical rubbish, absolutely contrary to facts.
They were, precisely I stated, just gaming the system to gain control over the topic. Not a similar account name (talk) 19:16, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
You think neither "a pattern of wasting other people's time and energy for them" nor "a pattern of contention & mendacious interactions with others" nor "I am just the latest victim that they think they can pick on" are attacks? What does mendacious mean in your opinion? Or pick on? I disagree that a block from two pages, out of the whole of Misplaced Pages, is a particularly onerous sanction for the amount of disruption and battlegrund editing you've been doing. But you can request unblock from an uninvolved administrator by placing {{unblock|your reason here}} on your talkpage. Bishonen | tålk 20:43, 7 October 2024 (UTC).
Of course they are not attacks. Look at Bon courage's talk page for evidence. They're just a statement of facts. For a previous victim of Psychology guy and them, see
Same players, same game. Neither providing citations, neither have any knowledge of the topic they are controlling.
And if what I wrote was an attack, then why isn't this an outright threat?
"It won't work, and if you keep it up you will probably be removed from the Project, which likes to protect itself from this unwelcome crap. Bon courage (talk) 18:03, 24 June 2024"
They threatened this user, then they started making an identical threats to me, gaming the system to control the page.
Look at my edits, and what am I doing? I am asking them for citations they can't or won't provide.
I've read the rules and policies and are they clear, e.g. NPOV, no citations equal removal, etc.
I am following the rules, they are not, and you are rewarding them. Not a similar account name
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If you really think so, Not a similar account name, why don't you request unblock, which I have several times explained how to do? Or you could complain about my admin abuse at the WP:ANI noticeboard. Don't forget to mention the 'whole load of material on the internet about me abusing my admin powers and blocking people based on "non-existant personal attacks"'. Bishonen | tålk 23:31, 13 October 2024 (UTC).
@Bishonen or even Misplaced Pages:Administrative action review Doug Weller talk 09:23, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
@Not a similar account name There's a whole lot of stuff on the Internet accusing good Admins from people whining about their blocks, including me. All nonsense. Doug Weller talk 09:21, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Not a similar account name, it is incorrect to assume other editors have no knowledge in this topic area; it is also not true that sources were not provided to you (I provided several good ones on the talk-page). I have been reading books on fad diets and dietetics for over 20 years. Off-site I am in regular contact with food historians and have exchanged much research. You argued on the talk-page without providing any good WP:RS that the macrobiotic diet is a traditional diet. It isn't and no food historian would claim that. As I explained in a message on your talk-page, the best thing to do is to wait until your block expires and not attack other editors or get aggressive like this. If you have other interests, edit another topic area. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:38, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Editing warring user

Iimitlessyou has been edit warring and editing tendentiously on Lyle and Erik Menendez, to exclude the prosecution arguments from the article.

  • here is their first revert, removing a summary of the prosecutions argument.
  • here they reverted me a second time, calling me "completely biased" and a "pro prosecution editor" who is "adding debunked information"

At that point I placed a warning on their talk page (they blanked it) and I opened a dialogue (pinging them) on the article talk page which they ignored: They have completely ignored my request for discussion on the talk page: Talk:Lyle and Erik Menendez#Dispute over edits/lead by Iimitlessyou

  • They ignored that, and proceeded to revert me again here and called me a biased "pro prosecution editor".
  • They reverted me a forth time for "biased edits".

I reverted them 3 times and attempted to discuss, they reverted me 4.

I've tried to explain that the article is supposed to reflect the WP:RS, and this includes the prosecution case, but they seem to interpret this as "biased" against the menendez brothers who murdered their parents. Also note the editors heavy editing of the Netflix series article.

Zenomonoz (talk) 03:33, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Note I've taken this to the Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard where evidence they fabricated quotes is posted. Zenomonoz (talk) 11:28, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry, Zenomonoz, I had a go at it, but I'm afraid I just don't have to bandwidth to research all that at the moment. Even the first revert diff you give (while Iimitlessyou's edit summary certainly makes a bad impression) records so many changes, and so many sources, that I found it pretty unmanageable. Bishonen | tålk 19:29, 9 October 2024 (UTC).
No worries, it's handled. Feel free to blank my discussion here. Zenomonoz (talk) 20:21, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

WMF, Editor Privacy, Courts, and India

Hi Bish,

Have you been following the ANI saga? If not, you can read a summary at this month's Signpost.

So, the latest update in the case involves the Court threatening to not hear WMF until Misplaced Pages deletes the page on the case, created by Valereee, a week ago! More importantly, in the same hearing, WMF's lawyer appears to have agreed to provide the details of the unknown "authors" who have/had edited the page on ANI, to the Court in a "sealed cover".

Given the whimsical nature of Courts — not just in India —, there is always a probability of unsealing at a later date and hence, shouldn't such a step require making the broader community aware on how WMF plans to approach similar lawsuits in what is the most populous (and probably among the most litigatious) country in the world? Undoubtedly, WMF is not governed by the consensus of editors on how it approaches Courts and silence is strategic but perhaps some discussion will do good?

I want your opinions on the broader locus before I take this to one of the centralized discussion boards. Talk-page stalkers and watchers, feel free to join the discussion! TrangaBellam (talk) 12:59, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to interpret that tweet. Maybe it means something, maybe not. Perhaps The Hindu will have commented on it by this time tomorrow. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
A little more: "The bench of Chief Justice Manmohan and Justice Tushar Rao Gedela were presiding over an application filed by Misplaced Pages seeking permission to file relevant documents in a sealed cover. Misplaced Pages, represented by Advocate Sibal, expressed concerns over the consequence of releasing the name of the author. The court, however, observed that the company was accusing a journalist (ANI) of being a state-sponsored agent and suggested that the author of the content should defend their statements." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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Kefas Brand

Hey Bishonen, Long time no see!, Hope you're well,

So in July 2024 you protected Kefas Brand, Rodney Kefas Namisi has now been created and I didn't know whether I should CSD or AFD it as don't know what the content was before, Gut instinct says CSD but I've had CSDs declined before because "the content is different" so just thought I'd ask you first, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010 16:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

The content is in fact different, Davey2010, so I guess AfD is the better fit; Kefas Brand was very short and barebones, with a characteristic tabloid emphasis on the subject's romantic relationship and little other content. Lousy sourcing in both cases, though - seems to be all highly promotional interviews + press releases. BTW, Davey, might you have seen a new article for Kefas's brother Arnold also turn up somewhere? The original articles for the brothers were closely connected, as you can see from my note at both AfD's. Bishonen | tålk 18:35, 30 October 2024 (UTC).
Ah okay and nope not seen that yet, I came across this via Simple Misplaced Pages (https://simple.wikipedia.org/Kefas_Brand and tried moving the article here to Kefas and then found out it was protected etc
I'm guessing they've given up with here and will try Simple instead –Davey2010 19:31, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you! Dillard421♂♂ 20:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Hey, what a fine star! Thank you! Bishonen | tålk 20:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC).
Thank you for being so proactive at blocking that user IP. I appreciate your work. Dillard421♂♂ 20:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

My guess...

Is that a certain friend of ours does not in fact have years of experience of editing on behalf of other people, nor even of any kind of editing. If they had, they would by now know of the COI guideline, the sockpuppetry policy, etc etc, and would not have come along shouting out that they were flouting them. The stuff they posted was obviously AI generated, and was all about trying to make themself seem impressive, by being an experienced and professional editor, not some newby who doesn't know what they are doing. Anyway, it was pretty well obvious from the start that a block would almost certainly be arriving sooner or later.
Is all that so obvious that I might as well tell you that grass is green? Maybe, but I just felt like saying it anyway.
Give my regards to 'zilla. JBW (talk) 23:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Hi, James. Cornered themselves, didn't they? They lied here or they lied here, or both. And, as you say, the rotting LLM smell is unmistakable in both texts. Anyway, I've asked Girth Summit, on whose page I found them, for a CU; that may bring further clarity. Bishonen | tålk 00:27, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
Aah, "James". Very rarely I still get someone calling me that, and it seems really strange. Considering all the years when I used that pseudonym, it's remarkable how completely disaccustomed to it I've become. JBW (talk) 10:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
I do know it's not even your real name! But in my book it's your Misplaced Pages name, you'll just have to grin and bear it. Or, well, I'll switch to "Jim" if you like. Bishonen | tålk 10:22, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
Welcome in pocket, little James! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 10:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC).
What do you mean "little"? I've never said on Misplaced Pages that I'm little, so if I am then that's a violation of WP:OUTING, and if I'm not then it's a lie. JBW (talk) 23:25, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
Pint-size James! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 02:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC).
It's an odd one. I tend to agree with JBW (Jimbo II perhaps?) that the creation of a userpage like that isn't something an experienced spammer would do. On the other hand, they were editing from a clean proxy of some sort, which suggests to me that they were taking steps to cover their steps, so perhaps aren't as clueless as that userpage might suggest. Some sort of experiment to see how we'd react? Someone just messing around? Anyway, nothing more to do as far as I can see. Girth Summit (blether) 12:02, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Scheisst

ist wie Scheisst macht. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. Deep Fried Dutch? Bishonen | tålk 14:34, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

NOTHERE user

Hi Bishonen, could you take a look at this user Powerinhand. He is making nonconstructive, tendentious edits promoting religious, caste and regional supremacy - here he added POV irredentist views claiming Haryana is South Punjab; it is a common viewpoint among Punjabi nationalists that Haryana is part of Greater Punjab along with the random "who" tag, more POV pushing by unfairly removing a figure's religious identity. He also created an article which seems to be promoting religious supremacy tacitly, by including surnames which are not exclusive to Sikhs (Malhotra and Uppal) and claiming that they are Sikh in origin, even though the adoption of those names precede the creation of Sikhism.

It seems pretty clear that they're NOTHERE. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:44, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

To add, incomprehensible tangents on peoples' talk pages: , , . Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
This is a new user, Southasianhistorian8. (Well, putatively. Hard to believe a user who creates a category page and shows awareness of WP alphabet soup as in this edit summary, and other signs of experience, is really new, but even so.) Much better IMO if you first warn them and explain what the problem is. Bishonen | tålk 13:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC).
Alright, will do. Thanks for the advice. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 14:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Blocked and tagged. They have a very idiosyncratic use of edit summaries, so you can report them here when they pop up again.-- Ponyo 20:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks @Ponyo. Will do. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 20:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much, my little Ponyo. Admittedly, it would have been more fun if they had answered my question on their page. ("My sockmaster is Truthfindervert, and yes, it's blocked, thanks for asking.") That never happens with my "Whose sock are you?" posts, but I won't give up hope that some day it will. Bishonen | tålk 20:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC).

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Kefas Brand (film actor)

Look familiar? Bobby Cohn (talk) 19:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

I guess it doesn't look all the familiar. In that case, would you mind moving the now present article to the salted title? My quick overview of the sources shows that it is probably the COMMONNAME. Not that I have any skin in the game, the move and then blanked redirect page is what brought this to my attention in the NPP queue. Kindly, Bobby Cohn (talk) 21:53, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Bobby Cohn. Yes, I will. The new article is not the same as the old one, which means I don't want to prevent it from being created. I'm just now typing up an explanation to the creator, who of course only used the (unnecessary) disambiguator because they were unable to create the straightforward title Kefas Brand. (It would have been better to simply ask me, but these things happen with new users.) And, considering the various maneouvres to get the subject into Misplaced Pages (compare this section higher up on my page), I will definitely ask them about COI also. Bishonen | tålk 22:29, 6 November 2024 (UTC).
Hello @Bishonen I had come to message you about this subject and the issues relvoving around his article. I have not been long on Misplaced Pages and do not know much for I am still learning how to use Misplaced Pages. So I do not wanted to seek your permission and know is it okay to contact the subject via social media and consult about the ongoing. Because if these are paid promotions like stated I’m just wondering why a 23 year old will adamantly pay and pay and pay just to get on Misplaced Pages. On the other hand it could be true as stated by many editors but also could be wrong. On the hand again I believe most concerns raised could be based off of feelings and emotions by various editors. So kindly I’d like to know is it okay. I’m seeking your permission being you have had encounters with that subject previously. my English May not be so good for im not from an English speaking country but I am learning And Misplaced Pages is playing a great contribution so you could pardon my grama or tense. Thanks Idrisskunle (talk) 11:47, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
No, Idrisskunle, I don't advise you to contact the subject on social media to tell them their biography is up for deletion. Even if your intentions are good, it would surely result in meatpuppets — perhaps the subject's fans, perhaps the subject himself — coming here and opining at the Article for deletion discussion. AfD discussions, if they are going to be fair, must be conducted by actual wikipedia editors, not by people drawn here via social media. Compare also this guideline. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 12:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC).
@Bishonen thanks, I have understood that that’s why I wanted to inquire from you before anything I’m greatful for your response. According to my analysis I found the articles more of interviews where by if one is interviewed they’d answer the question as it is. However that would appear promotional but for this case I look at exactly what the subject is promoting and found not. Also the sources are reliable being they are not blogs but mainstream news papers from Uganda which I think answers the question of not notable sources. Also other references mention the subjects works. Personally I don’t know the criteria considered by Misplaced Pages to be worthy but I find no problem with the article and the references. Probably there is poor sourcing yes whereby I think being a new article it would have been granted more time to be enriched with more sources. That is what I think. But also I am Learning a lot from this specific article being I am forcused on becoming a better editor and contributor on Misplaced Pages so any guidance I totally welcome it.
once again thanks for your response im greatful. Idrisskunle (talk) 12:39, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Ah well

I tried.

Thank you for your swift action. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Not much you can do with a pure troll, Timtrent. And note the username also! Didn't exactly fit the supposed opinions, did it? Bishonen | tålk 00:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
Not much at all. Since I am not an admin I use militant kindness to allow them to find and use up the rope. It gives full evidence to those who can take action, and prevent harm. 🇺🇦 Fiddle Faddle 🇺🇦 00:57, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Block evading

The IP that you banned for vandalism across many demographics pages in Latin America is back to making the same changes on another IP address 2A02:8440:250C:AAA4:5C9D:4864:F7C3:27F5 ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:36, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Ydududu seems to be related to the ip ElMexicanotres (talk) 12:42, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Blocked both. Thank you. Bishonen | tålk 13:09, 10 November 2024 (UTC).
PS, please take any further information to ANI, here, rather than to my page. Bishonen | tålk 13:15, 10 November 2024 (UTC).

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Violation of 3RR in spite of being aware of WP:GS/CASTE

Hi Bishonen, CharlesWain has violated 3RR in the article on Guha (surname) in spite of an article talk page discussion initiated by me, just after I posted some relevant messages on their user talk page! Would request you to take necessary action. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 10:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

They have not. You should also avoid edit warring. - Ratnahastin (talk) 10:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Why did you use {{noping|}} template while complaining about me here? If 3 revert is considered as WP:3RR violation then you have done the same by making three reverts since your very first revert is itself reverting this months old edit. CharlesWain (talk) 10:55, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Yes, CharlesWain has made three reverts AFAICS, Ekdalian, as I think you yourself have also done. Consecutive edits count as one revert, and violating 3RR means making more than three reverts. You guys are both edit warring; please use the talkpage. And, Ekdalian, I have to agree that using the {{noping}} template here was not appropriate. Bishonen | tålk 11:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC).
Noted. Thanks & Regards. Ekdalian (talk) 11:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Hmmmm

I don't know whether making a joke about ARB would make you laugh or cause an appearance by Bishzilla (rwoar). Personally, I think they're missing out on your obvious experience. ❤️ Knitsey (talk) 22:30, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I was disappointed and admittedly (in my vanity) surprised. Perhaps I was missled by this comment into thinking it would be easy! :-) But I'm sure everybody acted in the best faith, so no jokes. Bishonen | tålk 09:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC).

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Despite their 31 hr block Qalnor is continuing their attacks against Doug continuing their attacks against Doug. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 21:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

sorry for repeating myself sorry for repeating myself JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:03, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I did revert their edit, but I'm not sure if this was the correct thing to do. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
And it looks like they reverted back to their version with the attack. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, thanks, JoJo. I have to go to bed; hopefully Yamla will deal with it if it recurs (it's gone at the moment). That page is too fluid for me altogether; I tried over and over to fix various formatting errors, only to be edit conflicted. I'm a slow little old lady. Good night. And now I'm being edit conflicted on my own page too. Come on, guys. Bishonen | tålk 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC).
I've got it. --Yamla (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
I'm a slow little old lady. No one says that about you as far as you know. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 22:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Past disagreements

We've had disagreements both here- and here not too long ago. The latter in particular, because the user reported was initially believed to have no connection to the sock-master, but after my report which detailed significant new developments, was deemed as having a "possible indicator of sockpuppetry". The sockmaster had multiple socks who were almost unblocked and "let go" by admins, where I had to take drastic steps to ensure that didn't happen. Given these 2 disagreements barely a few months ago, I think you being an uninvolved administrator is tenous, at best. I hope we can resolve this here, because I do not wish to take a monstrously confusing SPI case to A/E and divert focus. Southasianhistorian8 (talk) 11:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Southasianhistorian8, I've done what I intend to do about that here. I've no further comment. Bishonen | tålk 11:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

I'm always coming to you for advice

The editor VaudevillianScientist is becoming increasingly upset that I and several other experienced editors in good standing support the deletion of "their" new article here. That editor has bludgeoned the discussion (not a huge problem given that they feel highly invested), they have canvassed for like-minded opinions on and off enWP (see here), and things are getting increasingly out of hand and a bit too personal. I advised them here to restrict their comments to content/topic, and to not comment about other editors, but they have unfortunately escalated to a bad-faith attempt to out me here, in which I am referred to as "Leonid." That name almost certainly refers to Leonid Schneider, who in January 2022 I was accused of being in a guffaw-inducing joe-job by one of Ariel Fernandez's many, many socks (see this SPI discussion). Needless to say I am not Schneider, and I invite any CU to determine that independently.

Being upset that one's article is at AfD is one thing, but attempting to out an "opponent" is something much more serious. I am however uncertain how best to proceed, especially with the AfD still active. Should I just proceed to ANI right now, wait for the AfD to end, or seek another remedy? Thanks in advance for anything you (or passing jaguars) suggest. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Note: they have just now replaced "Leonid" with my WP username. But the outing attempt was real, although false, and it remains in the article history. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:23, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
What a business. It's appropriate to block for outing, but I can't find any principle for how long such a block should be. Maybe indefinite? I've given them a month, but I'm just guessing. Any opinion, little talkpage stalkers? Meanwhile, I haven't revision deleted their post - would you like me to? My thinking is that a) it might encourage a Streisand effect, and b) since you repeat the name here, I suppose you're not that upset over it. Let me know if I'm wrong.
Meanwhile, their canvassing is also a serious problem. But I'll leave the closing admin to deal with that. Bishonen | tålk 22:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
For the outing alone, assuming it is a first offense, a month is reasonable. My feelings on it are slightly mitigated by the fact that OP is clear that they've missed the mark and that is not who they are at all, otherwise this would be a matter for the OS team. Malicious outing to try and gain the upper hand in a content dispute is not something we should just look past, even if is is done ineptly.
While they are blocked is a good opportunity to discuss the other points like canvassing so they can better avoid further blocks in the future, or at least can't say they weren't advised about it. Just Step Sideways 22:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
It's probably too late to do this now, but attempted outing should be treated the same as outing. Now we all know that JoJo's real name is not Leonid. – bradv 23:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, guys. I'll consider the canvassing (and the bludgeoning) after I've slept. I wish to lodge a complaint: there's a howling blizzard outside. Not sure I'll even be able to go out tomorrow. Bishonen | tålk 23:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC).
I am less angry at the identity that was falsely assigned to me than the fact that the editor intentionally attempted to out me in the first place. It's a stark example of bad-faith editing. Regarding a potential revdel, although I would prefer that post to be removed I will certainly defer to your post-sleep/blizzard judgement (or to that of any passing admin), as I am sure you have more experience than me in these matters. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 00:48, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
In that case, I've revdel'd. Bradv, do you wish to oversight? Bishonen | tålk 03:19, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
Done. – bradv 14:23, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. Bishonen | tålk 14:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

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For dealing with a nasty case of racist, anti-semitic vandalism. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 05:15, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Your view on Mauryan Map

Hello, there is currently a discussion about the Maurya Empire map on the article, reputed users like Fowler&Fowler and Joshua Jonathan have been ignoring our sources and in my view, POV pushing, they have been coming up with excuses , which obviously violate Wiki guidelines on arguments. They have been doing disruptive edits, as of now, they have or tried to remove the Maurya Empire's maximum extent map (by Joshua Jonathan) and then Fowler followed up with "he did the right thing", we have provided dozen articles and books by reliable sources, they have been ignoring them and claiming our sources are not tur. Their map with holes is based on very vague sources. Don't mean to personal attack anyone, but your contributions will be appreciated. @Bishonen JingJongPascal (talk) 13:43, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is some ways above my paygrade. Too specialized for me. Bishonen | tålk 13:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC).
understandable, but do look out there for disruptive edits please. JingJongPascal (talk) 14:00, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

November music

story · music · places

greetings from a trip -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Aw, Gerda. November doesn't look like that where I am — it's all darkness and sleet and melting snow from the recent howling blizzard. (Defiantly:) But I like it like that! We're Northerners, Bishzilla and I! Bishonen | tålk 20:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).
Where I live, it's also the exception. - I uploaded pics of a trip (to the warmth) that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang Hevenu shalom aleichem at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Replied and actioned. Bishonen | tålk 09:38, 26 November 2024 (UTC).

My topic ban

You have currently topic banned me from India related edits.

And reasons you have provided are "Orignal research" and "Removing templates"

1) removing the Afd template was a mistake as I was editing in mobile.

2) original research - I have done nothing as of original research on any article (that is currently active)

3) edit warring - @Garudam has been removing mentions of Gupta Empire and Magadha from Gupta Empire article, just because HE thinks it's not accurate.

He also vandalised a page I created "List of wars involving Magadha", he removed the classical Magadhan Polities section completely and added a "contradictory" tag (POV PUSHING)

He then warned me for vandalism and edit warring while he should be the one to be warned (for vandalising my page and gupta Empire).

4)bad faith - all I told is AirShip to actually read the book (he just read the title of the book and then said my argument is wrong, he should have been more cooperative). JingJongPascal (talk) 06:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Topic ban immediately violated here. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
That topic box was started before my topic ban JingJongPascal (talk) 10:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
What are you talking about? You definitely violated your tban right there, JingJongPascal. Please read WP:TBAN more carefully. Your ban is in force, and it applies to discussions or suggestions about the topic anywhere on Misplaced Pages, also including edit summaries and your own user and talk pages. Don't talk about India, Pakistan or Afghanistan anywhere on Misplaced Pages! The only exceptions are "asking for necessary clarifications about the scope of the ban" and "appealing the ban". What you have written above, and also below my ban notice on your own page, addressing me, can be taken as appealing the ban, so that part is all right. Though there's no need to write the same things twice - let's keep it here, on my page. (I will answer the specific points you make later, I'm a little short of time.) But after you were banned, you immediately went back to older posts by Doug Weller and Garudam on your own page and started arguing with them. That is not allowed, as it can't be called "appealing your ban", so don't do it any more. If somebody should come to your page and try to engage you in conversation involving India, Pakistan or Afghanistan, please simply tell them you can't discuss it because you're under a ban.
When I see you went to User talk:PadFoot2008 and started talking about Magadha and the Gupta Empire, I'm starting to wonder if you read WP:TBAN at all, as I urged you to?? If you violate the ban again, you will be blocked. Bishonen | tålk 10:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC).
I started that topic box before my topic ban, I will be more careful now on.
But please do clarify on Garudam and AirShip issue.
I don't think I did any thing Bad Faith or Original Research. Infact Garudam has been vandalising my page and disrupting gupta empire by his pov. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Vandalism/Disruptive edits
- Garudam removed an entire section from my article without any consensus. ]]
-Garudam removed mentions of Magadha from Gupta Empire article. ]]
-All i did was remove/revert these disruptive edits, but for some reason i am the one disrupting?
  • Bad Faith
- User talk:AirshipJungleman29#Magadhan Empire, no idea how this is bad faith.
  • Original Research
-Magadhan Empire article wasnt created by me.
- All my other articles were deleted for other reasons (unfinished or already covered somewhere else).
- Even my current article List of wars involving Magadha is getting called 'original research'.
@Bishonen my defence. JingJongPascal (talk) 10:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, JingJongPascal. I've taken a fresh look at the "contradictory" template question, that you and Gurudam argued about here, and also at your supposed assumption of bad faith in the discussion here. The template removal instance is really too complex to sanction you for, and, as Doug Weller has recently posted on your page, his belief that you'd assumed bad faith was at least partly based on a misunderstanding. These two things weren't very big deals to begin with, either, and I wish I had left them out. I've crossed them out on your page and in the log.

As for edit warring, which you mention, I don't think that was even in question in my T-ban notice - I don't see it there.

The other points, however — disruptive editing, canvassing discussions, original research, and battleground editing — were big deals, and remain so. Removing the AfD template from an article you had created yourself is a classically bad thing, but not as weighty, as it was one event, and you blame your mobile for it. (Not sure how that works, but never mind.)

Original research is a very important no-no, and since you deny doing any, I'll spend some time on it. Firstly, please read the policy Misplaced Pages:No original research to make sure you know what it is. And secondly, it's not particularly interesting if what you did is "currently active" or not. A number of the articles you created were based on original research, and the fact that they have now been turned into redirects, deleted, or draftified is no thanks to you; it has been done by other people and on these people's initiative. Examples: List of wars involving Gujarat (redirected; discussed at the NOR noticeboard here), History of India as a political entity (deleted after AfD discussion), List of Indian Uprising battles (unsourced, created by you directly in article space, moved to draft by another editor), List of Hindu-Buddhist states (also created directly in article space and moved to draft by another editor), Principality of Pataliputra (deleted after AfD discussion), Foreign relations of the Magadhan Empire (deleted after AfD discussion).

All these articles were created by you, and the problem with them was poor or no sourcing and egregious original research. Note also this original research warning from Vanamonde93. Bishonen | tålk 20:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

also do drafts count in topic ban? as its not mentioned in WP:TBAN JingJongPascal (talk) 09:38, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
I'm glad you asked. Yes, the ban does apply to drafts. None of the examples given at WP:TBAN are drafts, right, but the ban covers all pages on Misplaced Pages. "Unless clearly and unambiguously specified otherwise, a topic ban covers all pages (not only articles) broadly related to the topic, as well as the parts of other pages that are related to the topic, as encapsulated in the phrase "broadly construed"." And it covers "discussions or suggestions about weather-related topics anywhere on Misplaced Pages". If you want to work on drafts in the WP:ARBIPA area, you have to keep them off Misplaced Pages. I'll come back to a couple of other questions later. Bishonen | tålk 10:16, 2 December 2024 (UTC).
Garudam has been disrupting my page as we speak
and yet he gave me a edit warning.
Please do something, he did it without any consensus. JingJongPascal (talk) 08:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
? Sorry, but what "my page" is that? I don't see Garudam editing your userpage or your talkpage. The last 9 hours they seem to have been busy editing First battle of Eran, a page they created themselves. Also, JingJongPascal, I remind you that you're not supposed to discuss pages in the ARBIPA topic area anywhere on Misplaced Pages - not even on my page, except to ask questions about, or appeal, the topic ban itself. Is the above post part of your ban appeal? Bishonen | tålk 09:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
Yes it is, it is about the disruptive edits.
Garudam warned me of disruptive edits but he is the one doing it. I don't think I deserve a topic ban, see List of wars involving Magadha, before my topic ban he kept removing an section he's doing it now too without any consensus and then edit warned me. JingJongPascal (talk) 11:08, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
JingJongPascal, I'm not sure what you mean by saying Garudam "edit warned" you? Anyway, this complaint about another editor and what they did after you were T-banned doesn't look to me like it's related to an appeal of your ban; you have strayed from that on to general discussion of an ARBIPA article and of another user's editing there, which is not allowed. Also, they don't need consensus to make a bold edit (you also don't have consensus; it's just the two of you arguing on the talkpage). See WP:BOLD. If their edit is reverted, which has so far not happened, then they'd need consensus to put it back.
You'd much better focus on other areas now, and on showing you can edit well away from ARBIPA, which you're banned from. You have appealed to me now; I will not lift the ban; did you read the information about ban appeals in my ban notice? What you can do after appealing to me is described here. You can appeal either at the administrators' noticeboard ("AN") or the arbitration enforcement noticeboard ("AE"). Or, theoretically, at the request for amendment ("ARCA"), but I wouldn't recommend that, as it's run by the Arbitration Committee which is glacially slow. You'd better choose between AE, where your appeal will be decided by uninvolved admins, and AN, where it will be decided by the community of editors. Take a look at the noticeboards to see how they function, and think carefully about which one you prefer. I have not imposed a limit for how soon you can appeal, but my advice would be to wait at least a few months, and to edit well and constructively in other areas while you wait, as that will give your appeal a better chance. Note also that you can freely edit all topics at our SISTER projects; you're only topic banned at the English Misplaced Pages. Ask if anything of this is unclear to you. Bishonen | tålk 14:57, 4 December 2024 (UTC).
look at my talk page , "November 2024".
You tbanned me for "disruptive edits" and "original research" could you provide evidence for disruptive edits. JingJongPascal (talk) 15:37, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
(uninvolved jaguar padding by...) JJP, may I suggest that you carefully and fully read Bishonen's post immediately above yours. Then read it again. Your response to it is a classic example of what is known on Misplaced Pages as I Didn't Hear That, and that behavior will absolutely, positively do you no good. Indeed, if you keep it up it will likely get you blocked for an extended period, if not indefinitely. Stop complaining about the other editor. Just stop. No matter how mad you are, no matter how upset you are, no matter how unfairly/unjustly you might feel you are being treated, just STOP. Now. My advice to you is to edit some other topic, or edit a Misplaced Pages in another language. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 19:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, JoJo, you're very right. It's all right for JingJongPascal to ask for examples of disruptive editing and original research, though, as those were some of my reasons for banning them. JingJong, here are some examples. (DE and OR can blend into each other, so some of the below items are examples of both.)
  • You added an extremely bad main source for your article List of wars involving Gujarat (later moved to Kingdom of Gujarat) here, only a few minutes before you submitted the draft to AfC. The source is A. K. Mozumdar's Chaulukyas of Gujarat. Or A. K. Majumdar, as you write it; perhaps both transcriptions are correct, I don't know, but it's clearly the same person. It's still very much used in the article. As a source for history, that's absurd. Our article, under the name A. K. Mozumdar, describes the writer as "an Indian American spiritual writer and teacher associated with the New Thought Movement in the United States." He may be an admirable writer in his field, I couldn't say, but he's obviously not remotely a historian, or a reliable source for history. This gives rise to concern over your competence to edit historical articles in this area.
  • Editing against consensus here. Note Remsense's edit summary.
  • Original research: this version of Indian Empire (now a disambiguation page). Compare Vanamonde93's warning.
  • Here, you change the area drastically in the infobox, are reverted, then change it again to something completely different. What is the article reader supposed to make of those wildly varying figures? You realise they can't see your edit summaries, I hope. Also, can you remember your source for this addition of an area with a surprisingly even number in another article?
  • This addition to List of largest empires is not in the cited source, at least I can't find it (and clearly the experienced editor TompaDompa couldn't either, as they reverted you).
  • Creating a multitude of non-viable and poorly sourced articles is also disruptive, as I have mentioned above.

December music

story · music · places

I agree with your post for Simon, - perhaps sign it or it looks as if I wrote it which I don't deserve ;) -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Yeah. I wrote it up for an e-mail, and then, when it turned out he didn't have wikimail, pasted it in as was. It does have an e-mail signature! Altogether an illustration that I shouldn't post when I'm half asleep. Bishonen | tålk 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC).
Listen today to the (new) Perplexities after Escher --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
On the heckelphone! Thanks, Gerda. Bishonen | tålk 11:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
Listen today to Beethoven's 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the 2020 DYK set when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with Antônio Meneses, because he was on my sad list this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I come to fix the cellist's name, with a 10-years-old DYK and new pics - look for red birds --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Today is a woman poet's centenary. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:05, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your refreshing seasonal message! - Today it's another great woman, soprano Sigrid Kehl, and I found a 1963 Christmas Oratorio detail. 10 years earlier than that cycle, Bach wrote seven cantatas for the 1724 season, based on seven songs, - my focus this year. Expect three stories for the three days they celebrated in Leipzig ;) - Enjoy the season! Refreshment in the melting snow, and I picked icicles for a January image, bzzt ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Seeking assist on WP:ANI

Hey there. Needing urgent assist with this IP address in this ANI case, which has persisted with WP:ASPERSIONS and personal attacks. I for one believe such attitudes are simply WP:NOTHERE for contributing objectively on WP.

Seeking your kind attention. Thanks. hundenvonPG (talk) 11:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Bishonen, this issue is being discussed in another user talk page already: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Cullen328 . I was first being attacked by this user as he accused me for being a disruptive person when I was just stating facts with citations from CTBUH. 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:03, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen, do take note that this is one of the many instances of WP:HOUNDING by said IP address, going against WP:CIVIL. 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC) hundenvonPG (talk) 12:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Instead of accusing the other Wiki editors, why are you still refusing to answer my questions on the main discussion page as of now? Aren't we supposed to discuss on the talk page? 155.69.184.1 (talk) 12:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Métis Nation British Columbia

I saw you'd blocked some of the IP's. Thanks for that. I've also semi-protected the page for a couple of weeks as this is ongoing. Cheers CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 15:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, CambridgeBayWeather. There was a note at WP:AIV. Nice IPv6 range, wasn't it? You may have noticed it had done nothing on Misplaced Pages other than persistently vandalizing that particular article. How's it going? It's pretty cold and dark here (Stockholm) this time of year, but I have a feeling it's probably seriously moreso where you are. Bishonen | tålk 16:08, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
They have been at that article for a while. It's not bad here (−25 °C (−13 °F)), warmer than normal and less snow than usual. We have polar night from 1 December to about 12 January. No sun for us. How cold is Stockholm at this time of year? CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 16:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh.. now I'm ashamed to mention our paltry temperature. It's only -5° C. But there's a biting wind from the north! Bishonen | tålk 19:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
The wind is always a killer at subzero temperatures. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Revert

I'm sorry but I don't understand your revert here at all:

Is this asking to corroborate it with more reliable sources per WP:WIKIVOICE? Or is it referring to "Avoid stating opinions as facts."? You pointed out citing it alone in the edit summary is not sufficient . But it makes sense otherwise if there is no citation in article. You also said it is redundant, but I don't understand why? It's added in a section referring to conflicts and as a military leader. Noorullah (talk) 05:28, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Please discuss issues relating to the article at its talk page, Talk:Alauddin Khalji. However, while we are here, the description "brilliant military general" is not suitable for Misplaced Pages. See WP:PEACOCK and WP:WIKIVOICE. Johnuniq (talk) 08:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Please take it to article talk per Johnuniq. Bishonen | tålk 10:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC).

Io Saturnalia!

Io, Saturnalia!
Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and distraction-free. Ealdgyth (talk) 14:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings
Wishing everybody a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! The Adoration of the Magi in the Snow (1563) by Pieter Bruegel the Elder is my Wiki-Christmas card to all for this year. Johnbod (talk) 17:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Continued hounding despite your warning

@Qalb alasid: has been following my edits for a while now. Last time he reverted my blanking of promotional content from the userpage of a self promotional SPA which led to you warning them for battle ground conduct as they did so only to provoke me now they have reverted my WP:BLAR of Hinduism in Belize ,Hinduism in Barbados ,Hinduism in Brunei and issued me a frivolous warning for disruptive editing . Additionally, they have also closed a merge discussion initiated by me on BAPS Shri Swaminarayan mandir (Robbinsville, New Jersey) and edited Swaminarayan Akshardham (Robbinsville, New Jersey) where I am one of the main contributors. There is a pattern of WP:FOLLOWING me here and seemingly oppose anything I do. - Ratnahastin (talk) 04:28, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Ratnahastin. I agree Qalb's warning was pretty frivolous. If you don't like a change of an article to a redirect, Qalb alasid, it's easily reverted (as I see you did). Reverting is enough; no need to issue warnings to experienced users about something like that. If either of you feels strongly enough, your next step should be discussion on talk. For the rest of your examples, Ratnahastin, I don't really think the overall picture rises to harassment or hounding. Bishonen | tålk 14:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC).
Thank you, @Bishonen. @Ratnahastin - I am not following or hounding you – please assume good faith.
For the record, I have been involved in backlogged merge proposals since September 29, 2024. .
Regarding the 3 articles cleared, I found it a bit odd that these articles, which have been around for a few years, were cleared without discussion. The content within these articles were not merged into the redirects either. Blanking the article without rationale appears to be disruptive – why did you feel the need to do so? Perhaps you can continue that conversation on the respective article's talk page. As per WP:BLAR, "Illegitimate blanking of valid content without reason is considered vandalism, a form of disruptive editing. Other forms of blank-and-redirect, although not vandalism, are still undesirable."
Based on WP:Harassment, "fixing unambiguous errors or violations of Misplaced Pages policy, or correcting related problems on multiple articles," shows that I am acting within the rights as a user. In fact, the same policy also states, "Using dispute resolution can itself constitute hounding if it involves persistently making frivolous or meritless complaints about another editor." Which leads me to ask, @Bishonen, is accusing someone of hounding and following assuming bad faith? Qalb alasid (talk) 19:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
Oh, gee. You're both assuming bad faith AFAIC. Why don't you just both try to avoid each other and dial down the reporting and complaining and (this is for you, Qalb alasid) PAG-quoting? Just a suggestion. Misplaced Pages is not about winning. Bishonen | tålk 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC).

Thank you for granting the selfblock

Made getting ready for my exams and finishing some major papers so much easier for my ADHD addled brain. Insanityclown1 (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Very glad to hear it! Bishonen | tålk 04:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC).
Merry Christmas, young clown! bishzilla ROARR!! pocket 04:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Happy holidays!

Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Misplaced Pages in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025!  ♦ Maliner (talk) 13:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hope you are doing well

I am finding myself poking at this project more and more, these past few weeks, and wanted to wish you well for the holidays. You've always been one of the good ones, in my book. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Hammerpants, very nice to see you back! Bishzilla rotates at ya! Bishonen | tålk 22:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC).

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!


Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!

Cheers

SchroCat (talk) 08:30, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Joyous Season

I wish that you may have a very Happy Holiday! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Hogmanay, Festivus or your hemisphere's Solstice, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May the New Year provide you joy and fulfillment! Thanks for everything you do here. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

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Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

Season's Greetings

When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it."

(Text on page 17 illustrated in the frontispiece in Juliana Horatia Ewing's Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers, illustrated by Mary Wheelhouse, London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.)

Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy Holidays!

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello Bishonen, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
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Happy Holidays

Hello Bishonen: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Misplaced Pages. Cheers, Abishe (talk) 15:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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I was responding to an edit summary I saw from User:Doug Weller

User_talk:Daniel_Case#I_think_this_needs_full_protect. I was hitching up the dogs and I put a quick block on it, intending to give it a longer look when I returned. I didn't intend to add a second notice, just forgot to hit the correct toggle. I acted hastily in removing TPA, I'll concede. BusterD (talk) 11:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I looked at my admin stats and I'm still at 174 total blocks; I'm way inexperienced at that aspect of the work. Happy to be corrected by somebody who has been in deeper kimchi than I. BusterD (talk) 11:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Kimchi. Hehe. Bishonen | tålk 14:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC).