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== Mention == |
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maybe it should be mentioned that the most prominent greek in turkey is the patriarch of constantinople. at least there should be a link to the article about this institution. --] 10:34, 15 June 2006 (UTC) |
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done --] 10:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC) |
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:Not Constantinople. ISTANBUL. Learn it. Get over it. Get used to it. You sound like a Medieval soldier when you use that name!!] 18:47, 22 June 2007 (UTC) |
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~~ The rightful name given to the city is Constantinople. Istanbul is a Turkish interpretation of Constantinople. Also, the Turks invaded the city. Greeks did not give the city over freelly with land rights exchanged. So, then for the Greeks it will still be Constantinople, right? Same issue concerning the Elgin marbles versus the Parthenon Marbles. |
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Elgin did not create the marbles. He took them without authority of the Greeks, but by bribing the invading Turks. Nevertheless they are referred to by Greeks as the Parthenon Marbles, from whenst they came and for what they were created for. |
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It's like a robber taking your child and renaming it whatever they want. You'll still refer to your child by the name you know it by? So, I don't think the name is an important thing to worry about. Greeks are called: Hellenes, but Greeks aren't upset when Turks call them Rums, right? So, if Greeks want to refer to Constantinople as such, so be it. |
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by ApplesnPeaches ~~ |
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my comment referred to the institution, the patriarchat of constantinople. you sound like a turkish nationalist,thelo.. and probably you are. --] 19:51, 30 July 2007 (UTC) |
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== The Greeks of Turkey == |
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'''The Greeks of Turkey number fewer than 2,000 not 20,000 people.''' |
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'''Nor are they the wealthiest community they once were.''' |
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'''Correct this.''' |
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:Please ] your sources. This article was directly copied from the (public domain) United States Library of Congress. —<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 06:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC) |
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~~ what about the greek speaking muslims of pontus? aren't they of greek decendency? then surely it would be more than 2000 greeks in turkey? Also, lets not forget that Constantinople/Istanbul used to be Greek and so still has some 5000 estimated living there. |
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by ApplesnPeaches ~~ |
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:A brief look at the two paragraphs below makes it clear how grave and hopeless the situation of the few remaining Greeks are. Their numbers are so small, as of 2010 their population is around 1000 to 1500 who are overwhelmingly elderly (over the age 65) and the total number of Greek students of that population is below 100 (!) and the total number of Greek teachers is below 30! They are mostly divided between the still "functioning" Zografeion Lyceum with 45 pupils and 20 teachers and the remainder in the Phanar Greek Orthodox College with 10 students! These large and grand buildings and the other few Greek schools are practically "ghost schools". In ten years time, with a young generation severly lacking and a new generation no longer born, the tiny remant of the 3000 year old Greek community in Turkey (that is Istanbul) may be having its last rites. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:11, 8 January 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== "Antiochian Greeks" == |
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“]” (ethnic Eastern Orthodox Christian Arabs who number 10,000 in Turkey) who now form a large portion in the given figure. The actual figure of Greeks may be around 1,000 to 1,500 people. |
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== The Greeks of Turkey are heading to certain extinction. == |
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'''The Greeks of Turkey who are overwhelmingly elderly, number 1,000 to 1,500 people and are heading to certain extinction.''' |
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It is obvious that Greeks in Turkey heading to extinction and this because of the turkish policy (especially during the 50s) wgo forced them to left Turkey,but they are about 2000 not 1500.] (]) 14:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC) |
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:According to the ] the Greek population in Turkey is estimated at 2,500 in 2006. The Greek population in Turkey is indeed '''collapsing''' ('''heading to certain extinction''') as the community is now far too small to sustain itself demographically, due to ], much higher death rates than birth rates and the resulting ].<ref>According to the ] the Greek population in Turkey is estimated at 2,500 in 2006. </ref> <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::There's actually over 1.5 million Greeks in Turkey, at least that. Just because they are Muslim doesn't make them less Greek.--] (]) 12:05, 12 August 2010 (UTC) |
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@English Bobby lol :)) you are 12 years old.. :) There are only 2000 greeks in Turkey. There are 80 million Turks in Turkey. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:02, 31 July 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Comment == |
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To add-on to Barış' comment, here's a quote from ]'s book, ''Black Sea'': |
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{{cquote|The Turkish guide-books on sale in Turkey today offer this account of the 1923 catastrophe: 'After the proclamation of the Republic (Turkish), the Greeks who lived in the region returned to their own country. Their own country? Returned? Pontians had lived in that area for over 3,000 years. The Pontian dialect was not understandable to 20th century Athenians.}} |
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<tt class="plainlinks">]]</tt> 03:07, 20 December 2006 (UTC) |
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== Orphaned references in ] == |
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I check pages listed in ] to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for ] in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of ]'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for ''this'' article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article. |
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<b>Reference named "VRYO":</b><ul> |
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<li>From ]: Speros Vryonis, Jr. ''The Mechanism of Catastrophe: The Turkish Pogrom of September 6–7, 1955, and the Destruction of the Greek Community of Istanbul'', New York: , 2005, ISBN 978-0-9747660-3-4.</li> |
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<li>From ]: {{cite book | first=Speros | last=Vryonis | title=The Mechanism of Catastrophe: The Turkish Pogrom of September 6–7, 1955, and the Destruction of the Greek Community of Istanbul | publisher= | location=New York | year=2005 | isbn= 0-97476-603-8 }}</li> |
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<b>Reference named "BritB":</b><ul> |
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<li>From ]: Encyclopedia Britannica,''Phanariote'', 2008, O.Ed.</li> |
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<li>From ]: {{cite encyclopedia |year=2008 |title = Phanariotes |encyclopedia= Encyclopedia Britannica |publisher= Encyclopedia Britannica Inc. |location=United States |id=Online Edition }}</li> |
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. ]] 21:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC) |
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== Neutrality == |
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This article seems to strongly favour the Greeks. In particularly, the use of words like "outrage" and "unlawful" is inappropriate. --] (]) 21:00, 15 June 2012 (UTC) |
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'Outrage' refers to vandalisms of a cemetery and 'unlawful' to practices that approved discriminatory laws and policies that violated fundamental rights (expropriation of private property, massive expulsions etc.), both are used in reliable bibliography too. Can you suggest some alternative words instead?] (]) 21:31, 15 June 2012 (UTC) |
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:There is no need to have adjectives like that at all. It's an encyclopaedia article, it should just state the facts and not try to judge them. --] (]) 22:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC) |
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==Turkish Law 1151 outlawed the teaching of the Greek language in schools== |
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In this by Louis Whitman, it states that Turkish Law 1151 outlawed the teaching of the Greek language in schools in Turkey, in direct violation of the Treaty of Lausanne (page 28). Any objections if i add this in the article? Thanks ] ] 18:56, 14 November 2012 (UTC) |
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:No, I wouldn't mind at all. Just east of Trabzon there were even Pontic Greek madrassas. My great-grandfather went to one of them where they educated both in Greek, Turkish and Arabic. Stupid laws by Ataturk closed down all these schools that even already taught the latin alphabet. Ataturk set this region of Turkey back half a century in it's development. It's so sad that even my father (3 generations later on) could not go to school because there wasn't any.] (]) 22:28, 23 November 2012 (UTC) |
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== Contradiction == |
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"Beginning from the 1930s" and "First World War" is a clear and strange contradiction. Is this about the 1930s in the Republic of Turkey or about the Ottoman Turkey during the Great War? Honest mistake or clumsy POV imposition? (I know the answer, don't worry.) --] (]) 10:13, 1 February 2013 (UTC) |
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