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= December 11 =
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== Quote marks will not appear until I type a second one ==
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Hello all. I have a seemingly one-off, weird and annoying issue. I am using an HP laptop computer:
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:OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home
:System Model HP Spectre x360 Convertible
:Version 10.0.19045
:Build 19045
Every time I type a quote mark on this computer (or an apostrophe using the same keyboard key without shifting) nothing happens. It is only when I invoke the character key a ''second time'' (in a row, without moving the cursor) that anything happens, which is that, only then, TWO quote marks appear. I then I have to delete one of them. Same thing for apostrophes, though I use quotes far more frequently. This happens anywhere I attempt to type the character, including when I placed this one " right now. Please note that the key is not gummed up or anything, it always works to place the two after I type the character the second time. Any ideas?
--] (]) 17:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
:When did this start happening? Has it always been like this? If not, what changed? Be honest. ] (]) 20:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::My 13-year old Mac Mini has stopped working. (I have already purchased a new computer, arriving in about two weeks.) I thus borrowed this HP from my sister a week ago, whereupon I discovered this issue. I thus have no idea of the timeline of the problem.--] (]) 21:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
: What happens if you type a single <TT>'</tt> or <TT>"</tt>, followed by some other character, like a letter?
: It sounds like you're in some strange mode which is attempting to interpret various multi-keystroke sequences. Those can be perfectly ordinary — for example, as you may know, on a Mac you can type Option-U to get a bare umlaut, which when you then type a letter like A or U combines with it to form Ä or Ü. But obviously these " and ' sequences you're encountering are bizarre and unwanted! (I've never heard of combining sequences starting with " or ', either.)
: My guess is that these sequences are defined for the convenience of typists in some language other than English. I would go to the relevant control panel — perhaps "Keyboard", although under Windows I'm not sure — and make sure you've got English specified as your language, with no funny extra options specified. —] (]) 22:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::: Per the below, it sounds like you might well see different behavior depending on whether you type the " or ' followed by a vowel like A or U, versus a consonant like B or S. —] (]) 22:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes you're right. When you're on the international keyboard (or other non-English one) if you type a quote and then a vowel you get an umlaut. With this keyboard layout the first time you press a quote key it will not type it, and you have to press it twice to type a quote.
::On Windows 10, on the bottom right, to the left of the date and time, there is an area where you can click to change the keyboard layout. For the international keyboard it is "ENG INTL". If you click it you can change to the normal keyboard, "ENG" or "ENG US" or whatever you prefer. ―<span style="font-family:Poppins, Helvetica, Sans-serif;">]</span> ] 22:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::See ]. I suppose your system is configured to see ' and " as dead keys, producing no direct output, but combining with the next character you type to create a letter with ] or ]. I haven't used Windows since XP days, but I suppose that if the following character doesn't accept those diacritics, the ' or " is inserted after all. Try switching to a different keyboard layout. ] (]) 10:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


: Have you tried a {{key|"|space}} sequence? I've seen such behavior of a keyboard in Windows when working in a language with diacritic letters. It simulates old typewriter - hit a diacritic symbol first, which gets printed with no carriage move, then hit a letter, which gets printed at the same place and then a carriage advances to a next position. Following this mode you hit a diacritic + space sequence to get a diacritic symbol alone. --] (]) 15:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
= March 30 =


::Well, 68.129.153.226, we're all agog to know whether any of our suggestions have worked. Be honest. ] (]) 17:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
== Creating printed or PDF version of Misplaced Pages pages using custom style sheet ==
:I am on Windows 10 on Dell laptop. I have experienced this behavior and I suspect it started after some OS update.
:But note that, when you wish to include anything in double/single quote, you must continue to type as usual. The double/single quote becomes visible only after you type '''any''' following character (not just single/double quote).
:You may be already aware of it, but I thought if you don't know, it will be less frustrating experience once you know how it works. ] (]) 06:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 13 =
When creating a printed or PDF version of a Misplaced Pages page, is there a way to override the default styles? I want to change the fonts, spacing and a few other things to my own preferences. Thanks. --] (]) 13:34, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
:You could click "Printable Version" in the sidebar, change your browser's settings to use the fonts you want, and save as PDF using a browser extension. But keep the attribution notices intact. ]&#124;] 20:38, 30 March 2013 (UTC)


== Where can I find a thesis of recently released Gemini 2.0? ==
== Using two workspaces in GNOME 3 and Cinnamon ==


For , I find its ].
I recently got a second monitor for free from my father, so I set my system to use two monitors simultaneously. I'm running ] 17 with ] and ]. This works OK, but I noticed that everything happens on the first monitor (workspace) by default. Unless I manually drag windows to the second workspace, it isn't doing anything. The second workspace doesn't even have a panel. How can I make some programs open up their windows on the second workspace by default? Or how do I add a panel to the second workspace, so that all windows from programs I launch appear on the workspace where I clicked the panel? ] &#124; ] 15:05, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
:There are apparently , but if I were you, I’d switch to Xfce with Compiz rather than wait for GNOME to un-betray its users to the point of providing all its previous functionality. ¦ ] (]) 19:52, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
::OK, thanks. However, I don't think it's worth the problem. I tried Compiz once, but it was apparent my graphics card didn't support it. As for GNOME betraying its users, I share your sentiment fully. It is only thanks to Cinnamon I'm still using GNOME. As far as I am aware even Linus Torvalds was critical of GNOME's recent developments. However, my brother-in-law has expressed interest in a second monitor, so I'm thinking of donating my older, smaller monitor to him and keeping the newer, bigger monitor my father gave me for my own use. ] &#124; ] 19:56, 30 March 2013 (UTC)


What about recently released ? ] (]) 21:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
== What does a slow hard drive do slowly? ==


:? &nbsp;--] 21:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
I feel stupid asking this, but I am considering buying but reviewers complain it has a slow hard drive. What exactly would happen slowly if your hard drive is slow? Does it take longer to save or recall files? Something else? Thanks. ] (]) 19:45, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
::OK That's Gemini 2.0 release information. ] (]) 16:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 15 =
:“''take longer to save or recall files''”


==Questions About New Laptop Computer==
::As compared to faster drives, yes. It says it has a 5400 rpm drive, which would be slower than a 7200 rpm one, and slower still than a solid state drive. You might not even notice it, however. The first comment I see on the drive being slow refers to an SSD, which means this person is already used to solid state drives and would obviously feel the “slowness” of older types of drives. If you’ve never used an SSD for internal storage, you probably will not notice the difference. ¦ ] (]) 19:49, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
My old laptop computer developed problems with the power, so that it wouldn't start when connected to regular line current. It would start when connected to high-amperage current in an electronics store, but that wasn't useful, and it was time to replace it after five years. I now have some questions about problems with a new laptop computer. The new laptop computer is an HP running Windows 11. ] (]) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
===Cursor Jumping Randomly===
Sometimes when I am typing in a Word document or editing Misplaced Pages in a source window, I discover that the cursor isn't where I think it should be. The cursor has jumped to somewhere else on the screen, apparently randomly. I have to do a Ctrl-Z to undo what I typed in the wrong place, and then move the cursor back to where I want it. If this is caused by line noise, how do I minimize the impact? How likely is that a new mouse would resolve the problem? Are there any settings that I should diddle with?
] (]) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)


:::Excellent, thanks. I am looking at an ASUS with even better stats and an SSD (which, no, I have never seen) the only drawback being it is 2" thick. ] (]) 19:58, 30 March 2013 (UTC) :First thing I would do is give the mouse and mousepad a good clean and disconnect and reconnect it. ]|] 09:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:Possibly due to your hand brushing the trackpad while typing. If you have a mouse, you could experiment with disabling the trackpad: . Or even just try turning it off while typing. This erratic ] jumping used to happen to me a lot, too, when my laptop was new, until I found the key to disable the trackpad.
:The term ''caret'' or ''insertion point'' is useful to exclude the mouse cursor (the pointer) from searches. ]&nbsp;] 12:54, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you, ]. I disabled the touchpad. For users who always use a mouse, the touchpad is a complication. ] (]) 19:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I now have a possibly useless question. The documentation referred to an option that disables the touchpad when there is a mouse, but the only option that I found in the settings is the option that always disables the touchpad. I would like to specify that the touchpad is disabled when there is a mouse, and enable it if there is no mouse. This makes very little difference because I will always use a mouse. Is it possible that that option isn't available on my computer? This isn't important. ] (]) 02:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Possibly true, your system vendor might not have put any software on there to do that automatically. The general rule with computers is, you can make it do what you want, it's just a question of how much effort is involved in that. To do stuff automatically when hardware is (dis)connected, you have to set up something that subscribes to ] events: Windows's thing for letting all interested parties know "hey some new device just showed up". Here's an answer for how to run a script when a device is connected: , if you really want to put in the effort. Alternatively if you just want something quicker and simpler but not automatic, you can install ] (quite useful program) and set a shortcut key on the keyboard to disable/enable touchpad. --] (]) 19:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)


===Network File Sharing===
:One thing to note is that reading and writing to the hard disk occurs all the time, not just when you pick Save or Open in an application. Most hard drives have a hard drive light to tell you when it's being used, and you will notice that it flickers periodically pretty much all the time. Why so much hard drive access ? Well, it has to load all the programs off the hard drive, has to store temporary files there, say when transferring things to and from the Internet, and, if you run out of RAM, it even uses the hard drive for memory ]. ] (]) 23:41, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
With the old laptop, I had set up network file sharing, so that the laptop computer could view and edit files in shared folders on my desktop computer, a Dell, also running Windows 11, if they were both within range of my wireless router (and the desktop computer always is). The desktop computer could also access files in shared folders on the laptop, if the laptop was I have tried to set up network file sharing with the new laptop computer. I tried calling the technical support offered by the electronics chain that I bought the computers from, and I made seven calls to them, none of which worked, and I have concluded that their technical support people don't know what they are doing, and, worse, don't know the limits of their knowledge. Does anyone have advice on a book that will tell me how to set up network file sharing with Windows 11, that has neither too little nor too much information for a retired database engineer?
] (]) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)


:@] Did you try ? <span style="font-family:monospace; font-weight: bold"> <span style="color:ForestGreen;font-size:15px"> ]</span> (<span style="color:#324c80">she/they</span> {{pipe}} ]) </span> 20:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:My own understanding is that people reviewing things like hard drive speed are probably gamers and so forth - these types depend on the capacity of their computers a lot more than we do. I ''think'' it sounds like someone complaining his Ferrari has ordinary tyres, for example. If it is for general use, word processing etc., you might never notice these things. I notice my Windows laptop's slowness on startup, and nowadays, whenever I right click on a file, but not otherwise. ] (]) 10:43, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
::] - Thank you. That describes the basics, and describes what I had done successfully with the previous laptop computer. I need either a much greater level of detail, or a troubleshooting guide, or something like that. That was helpful in that it doesn't point out anything that I am doing wrong. ] (]) 02:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Asking for clarification: you did all the steps in the section "How do I troubleshoot sharing files and folders" on that page, on the new laptop? After doing those steps, you still don't "see" your desktop in File Explorer on laptop? (Restart the laptop just in case.) ] (]) 04:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:Check that all the computers are on the same network. See if all the IP addresses are different. See if the wifi has the network profile set to Private. See if file explorer shows it in Network, or \\newlaptopname . You may have to check file wall settings ] (]) 07:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 19 =
::Thanks. I am looking at a gaming computer for other reason, I don't have a TV, I use my computer simultaneously often for various programs, with that causing occasional freeze-ups, I want a high-end screen and sound and a Blu-ray r/w DVD. I was going to get a Mac PowerBook, but they don't offer the 17.3" screen any more. And I want something that will be powerful enough that I won't regret not having gone bigger in two years.


==Scanning all available streams==
::::Let me ask a '''Follow Up''' question:


Hello there. I'm have a question: How to scan all available online streams from a specified server and port given? For example, I've found a Wowza Streaming Engine server at 115.79.46.164 and port 1935. I want to know which website or software can help me to find all active streams on this server. Thanks for reading. ] (]) 14:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Am I right in assuming that if you have an SSD your programs and operating system would be stored on it, while files you don't access that often would go on the hard drive? Would the mechanics of this basically be the same as dealing with a partitioned disk? The ] article is hard to parse, and the applications section doesn't clearly answer to me what I want. I am assuming I would normally run everything of the SSD and essentially use the hard drive as an onboard external hard drive. And would the SSD communicate with the HD automatically, so that, say I were playing Sim City loaded on the SSD, and had saved a game onto the hard drive, would the computer know how to find it and use it without me dragging it back on the SSD? Thanks for the help. ] (]) 17:11, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


: ] -- ]'''··–·'''] 17:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::: Most laptops have only one bay to accommodate a disk drive, so if you have an SSD you won't have a hard disk. As you'll note from looking at prices, SSDs have much lower storage than hard drives of the same price. On a desktop or server machine, where there is more physical room, it's common to have an SSD for the OS, applications, and some user files, and have bulky stuff like music and movies on a hard drive. You can get a ], which incorporates a flash and hard drive in the same enclosure (and appears as the same logical device); some attempt to organise what's held in the fast flash memory vs the slower hard disk storage by themselves. -- ]'''ჷ'''] 17:37, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:nmap is just going to let you toss packets to the server and inspect the packets that server decides to send you back in reply. Which is great for networking analysis, but we want to speak ] here and talk with the "streaming" software on the remote host. Does help at all? (You will need ] if not already installed.) Do take note, the party which owns the server could always have configured it to restrict the information it will give out to the public. --] (]) 19:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)


== .kp domains ==
::::The has "Hard Drive: 120GB SSD + 1TB 5400rpm HDD". I assume this counts as a hybrid drive? Reading that article it would seem the SSD works as the cache? If that is the case, does it mean one cannot, as one would in windows 7, go to the "computer" heading under the start menu, open it up, and drag objects between different partitions? In other words, can you or do you decide which drive files go under, or does the computer do that for you? Or am I totally off base? ] (]) 18:54, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


How many .kp domains are there? ] (]) 13:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::::: It ''sounds'' like a hybrid drive, but absent a datasheet from Asus themselves (not just details from some Amazon reseller) I don't know for sure. -- ]'''ჷ'''] 19:13, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:Did you see ]? ] (]) 19:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:https://www.northkoreatech.org/the-north-korean-website-list/ is a bit outdated but has more background info. ] (]) 19:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::It's ok, bro. I can still view the outdated ones with the Wayback Machine at the Internet Archive. Thanks, ] (]) 16:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


::::::Let's say it is a hybrid. (I can't otherwise imagine what it would mean to say there's a 120 SSD ''and'' a 1TB HDD) Again, how would that work from a user perspective? Is it like a cache/memory system where programs and cache memory will be on the SSD and downloaded files will go on the Disk, without my decision? Or will it work like a partitioned system? I did just place the order for . Thanks again for the help. ] (]) 19:23, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::::To me, this sounds like it really has two independent drives, a 120GB SSD and a separate 1TB hard disk. In that case, the two will show up as two devices. How you organize them depends on your OS. I don't know a lot about windows, but typically, one would be associated with C:, and one with another drive letter. Typically, your OS files would live on the SSD at C:. Under a UNIX, I would have the OS live on the SSD (mounted as the root file system, "/") and mount the large disk somewhere under /home1 to use for large static files (movies, music, photos) and backups. "120 GB should be enough for anybody" (tm) ;-). I have a 256 GB SSD in my MacBook Pro, and no mechanical disk anymore. I highly recommend this if you travel - the SSD is a lot more robust, uses less energy, and is totally silent. The only drawback is price... --] (]) 20:03, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Well, thanks. These have been excellent answers. At this point it's a mere matter of curiosity, since I decided on and bought the model I wanted for other reasons. I know how to deal with different drives, and except for my movie and music files I certainly don't need more than about 100GB. If the computer comes before this thread expires I'll update. ] (]) 20:19, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


== Smartphone ==


= December 24 =
''Apologies if I've asked this before, I've been thinking about this for over a year and I really can't recall if I have or not.''


== Is this bug in the google search ? ==
Is there a smartphone (or operating system) that will support where I can write and run a program on the phone in the field? Ideally basic, but perl, python, even javascript would do.


I searched for the keywords: "Israel Folau" "Margaret Court" "David Tyree", then Google shows me . Is this bug?] (]) 22:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
My previous phone ran Windows CE and NSBasic ran on it. The new version for Windows 8(?) needs to be desktop compiled and downloaded, and the newer windoiws won't run the old NSBasic apparently. -- ] (]) 20:16, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
:If I do the same search, this question shows up (twice, due to how the refdesk is organized) plus a link to Stuff. So, it doesn't seem to be a bug. I tried the same format search with much more famous people and got hundreds of links. ] (]) 13:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


: ] works very nicely, and supports a variety of languages. I can't say editing program text with a phone keyboard is much fun, but apart from that it's just what you need. One thing you need to make sure is that the specific phone you're buying allows loading apps from untrusted sources (as you load the APK files from the Google Code repository, not from the Google Play store). ''Most'' Android devices allow this (also called ) but a few are locked down by the phone company and don't. -- ]'''ჷ'''] 20:47, 30 March 2013 (UTC)


= December 26 =
: As to practical matter of storage. On my ], the SL4A app itself (which provides the basic framework, script browser and editor, and access to the existing ) uses 2.6MB. The Python (cpython 2.6) system is another 5.3MB. That's really very modest ('']'' is, for example, 79MB). -- ]'''ჷ'''] 20:57, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

:: Thx -- ] (]) 21:41, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

== Trouble with Blender ==

I'm working on an urgent Blender project that's due on Tuesday. I constructed a rig for the body, only to find that Armature Deform - with Automatic Weights had no effect whatsoever. In Pose Mode moving the bones had no effect on the body. So I deleted the whole armature and started over again (twice), but I forget to delete the old rig, and now it seems to be undeletable. You can get the 10 MB blend file at filedropper.com/groundhog. Is there anyway to get that critter animated? The boss is really going to be unhappy if this isn't in on time. ]&#124;] 20:56, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

:So, your cheap-skate boss is using '''free''' software, and is going to get annoyed if you struggle on the climbing the steep-learning-curve to learn Blender (which is brilliant)? Or any similar but propriety 3D computer graphics software. Find a better company to work for! - seriously! --] (]) 22:40, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

::"The best answers <strong>directly address what the questioner asked</strong>..." Additionally, I'm kind of stuck in this position. ]&#124;] 22:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

:::You might as well ask “how can I become an expert over-night.” That question too can be asked. Would you not agree, that if it could be answered – we could all become experts over-night? Yes, I can agree your stuck, but that is a rod your creating for yourself. --] (]) 22:57, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

:::''P.S. ]'s often-underestimate the tasks that they give subordinates to do. If he didn't hire you as an expert in 3D computer graphics software then he should arrange for you to receive proper training. Me thinks, he asks to much and you should not be having to post on Misplaced Pages in an effort to satisfy his ill-grasped demands. You are making a rod for your own back. If by magic you pull this off by Tuesday he will expect even more miracles from you. It's life.''--] (]) 23:14, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

::::I am asking for help to fix <em>one</em> problem, after which I should easily be able to do the rest. I do not want cynicism. If you are not going to help me or add otherwise useful (repeat, <em>useful</em>) commentary on the situation, then you have no reason to post. ]&#124;] 01:07, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:::::Aspro, WTF? You're not being helpful here. If you don't know the answer, just keep it under your hat. The OP is asking a really specific technical question and you're basically mocking him and his situation. --] (]) 15:20, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

:I'd like to help, but have never used Blender. However, is there a way to go back further than the armature ? All the way back to the beginning, if necessary ? Once you get past this problem, I suggest constant saving of each version, after each small change, so you can more easily go back to the last safe point. ] (]) 03:00, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
::<del>There's nowhere near enough time. It took me weeks to get to this point. Anyway, I figured out how to delete the old rig, and I managed to find that there's a "Generate" button that needs to be clicked under the Armature object data settings, but no order of clicking that button and the aforementioned Armature Deform - With Automatic Weights seems to work.</del> <strong>The problem has been solved</strong>. I don't know what I was doing wrong, but fiddling with it long enough made it work. ]&#124;] 03:05, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

:::Glad it worked out. I don't have enough experience animating with Blender to be helpful, but my suggestion was going to be to look for the old rig under the Outliner, which is where things like that typically hide. --] (]) 15:23, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

== Any Google+ experts around? ==

Someone's set up a fake page - looks like part of an ongoing attack on me probably by another editor here (possibly a banned one). I've reported it to Google but would like to get the police on this, which they can't do at the moment as they don't have the information they need. Thanks. ] (]) 21:44, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
:Turns out I have a fake YouTube account also with gay porn. ] (]) 21:45, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

::Do you feel inclined to give us these links, it would be easier for us to then, to look for patterns, sources and things.--] (]) 21:54, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
:::It's fairly easy to find the accounts from a simple search. ] (]) 23:49, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

:I don't mean to be rude, but I"m not really sure what you are asking us to do here. What information do they need that you can't provide? ] (]) 21:59, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
::Look, it reads to me, that this editors has got the hebe-jebbies and hasn’t yet had time to stand back and look at this in cold analytical terms. In that state, knowing the right question to ask is difficult. Yet, surly we (most of us) can make contact with s/he's underlying issue. Use your intuition.--] (]) 22:09, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
:::I can't speak for the OP but my guess is it may be more complicated then that. I'm guessing in many jurisdictions, if an adult reports someone has been setting up fake accounts to impersonate and defame them but without other info or anything to push the harassment case into an area of concern (like a threat of violence), the police will tell them there's not much they can (or will) do although the person should report it to the providers involved. You could probably try and take legal action yourself but that's likely to be costly. If you are able to determine more details, in particular gather some evidence of who the person doing it is, they may more inclined to look in to the case. However gathering this evidence without a court order may be difficult or even impossible, it depends significantly on how careful the person behind it is. If there is evidence, someone with experience in the sites is most likely to be able to find it. Even if you can't gather any evidence of who's behind it, better documentation of what's going on is more likely to convince the police to look in to it. ] (]) 00:00, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

: What do you mean when you say you have a fake account? ] (]) 22:05, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

::Think s/he mean an account has been created that could be mistaken by others as originating and pertaining to him or her. If this has been 'intentionally' done by someone else, then this is a fake account.--] (]) 22:17, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Sounds to me like someone is impersonating him on-line with malicious intent. This is unfortunately common. I don't think the police can do anything unless there are 1. Clear and legitimate threats of harm against you as a result the impersonation, and 2. You (or the police, through warrants) are able to trace the identity the real-life owner of the fake account. If it is simply your WP reputation you are concerned about, I don't think you have much recourse...but if it is tied to your real life identity, and it is causing you distress, you will probably need to get a lawyer if Google/YouTube do not remove the account. ] 00:41, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:If you want it taken down, first contact Google. They have official procedures for this. Second, if you want to go further, contact a lawyer and look into suing (many will consult with you for free if they are contingency based). They can advise you on everything else as well. ] (]) 04:12, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
::Note that the OP already reported it to Google. ] (]) 05:37, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:::Thanks all. The pages are still up - when this was done to my FB account they were gone within an hour after my complaint. I don't have the heebie-jeebies, just a desire for revenge (and to get Google to move faster in the future), especially if it's the Misplaced Pages editor who wrote an article in Examiner.com attacking me or one of the banned editors trying to get at me (one of them has created a sock to deny it). I guess at the moment it's Google I'll have to sue. If it's still up on Tuesday when law offices open, I'll look into it. No one should have to put up with something like this on a major internet site. ] (]) 06:38, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
::::Hope you can get it down soon but I'd have to say having seen one of my uncles waste money on suing a newspaper for quite damaging lies and getting derisory compensation that going to the law isn't something I'd bother with unless totally and absolutely necessary. Personally I wouldn't even bother going to one of those reputation fixer outfits over something online but I guess other people are more worried about the internet. ] (]) 11:49, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:::<small>re-indent to break wall of text, @Doug</small>If the imposter is claiming details more than just your name, such as using an actual picture of you as a profile, or biographical details like where you live, work, education, place of birth, etc (stuff that is beyond the scope of mere coincidence)...or if he/she is directly taunting you with the fake accounts, through e-mail or other communication...then you might have a stronger case. But if the imposter is simply usurping your first and last name, and the Google results associated with it, I could see how this would become complicated. There are ~40 people with the name Douglas Weller in the U.S. and I'm sure that number grows when you include people outside the U.S.. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that even though ''we'' know what's going on here, Google doesn't know that ''you'' are ''you'', and the burden of proving that ''you'' are ''you'' in this case might be more complicated than simply registering a complaint with them. Also, I'm not sure what good a lawyer can do other than take your money. Maybe you need to find the equivalent of an Internet P.I. to see if you can find out who this person really is? ] 15:25, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
::::They are using a lot of accurate details, a few inaccurate ones. I found the links to Google to complain about impersonation and sent them the photo ID they want. What's more interesting is that the fake Google+ profile ranks higher in a search than the real one, and that the ] attack biography is up around the top, which seems odd. ] (]) 16:36, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:My three cents: 1. I would be proud of being bashed at Metapedia. 2. There seems to be a legit, gay Doug Weller in Australia who hit the news in relation to homosexual adoption. 3. It's amazing that Facebook managed to delete a fake profile so fast. Note: why do you believe a Wiki banned user did that all? ] (]) 00:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

= March 31 =
== Basic word processor ==

Is there a modern word processor available? I know the obvious answer is a Mac or PC. But I am looking for something for my elderly parents, and they are intimidated by all the "bells & whistles" of a modern PC. I need something bare-bones where they can create, edit and save simple files (home budget, recipes, write letters, etc.). Also needs to be print capable. They do not need to get on-line. Just as an aside, my Dad has had a couple of mild strokes, and he gets confused with the system updates and pop-ups pre-loaded on off-the-shelf PCs...for instance, they bought a basic PC but it came pre-loaded with antivirus software, and even though they're not on the Internet, it kept prompting him to update the antivirus, and then of course the update failed, and it kept happening. He ultimately got frustrated and returned it...so you maybe can see what I am dealing with. I want them to be happy, but I running into an insurmountable learning curve with them over how the old word processors worked vs. a modern PC. Any ideas? ] 00:11, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

:Perhaps an ] would be sufficient.
:—] (]) 00:18, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

:Well, on a Windows PC, ] is a rather basic editor without anything fancy.

:Basically you just need to set the PC up for them. I suggest the following:

:1) The oldest version of Windows you can find. Windows 7 and 8 are both easy to find in stores now. Windows 7 is a lot easier to use than 8.

:2) No internet connection (no cable).

:3) Remove any anti-virus programs from it.

:4) Disable any automatic update settings.

:5) Get a laser mouse and keyboard with wires. (Wireless devices can be lost, need batteries, and can go out of range.)

:6) Set up folders on the Desktop for each of the things they do, like Recipes, Budget, Letters, etc. You can put sub-folders in each, like "Chicken recipes". Take all the crap on the Desktop they don't use, and put it in a new folder called "Crap we don't use", or something like that. (You could also delete it, but I feel safer keeping it.)

:7) Also put a shortcut to every program they need, like Notepad, on the Desktop. (For the budget, a ] program would be ideal, but it might be too steep of a learning curve for your dad, so just have him use the Calculator and Notepad.)

:8) If they don't need color, a black-and-white laser printer is the way to go. Color laser printers cost a lot more, and cheaper color ink-jet printers need constant replacement of ink cartridges. Set the printer up for them so it's all set to print.

:9) If their vision isn't so good, pick a lower screen resolution and get a larger screen. ] (]) 00:31, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

:*Just a thought. If all they want to do is word processing and a little bit of surfing, plus emails etc. Then you could over-write their Windows Operating system with the Ubuntu OS . You can easily set this up, so that if they have problems, you can use your home computer to get into their system and remotely sort it out for them – with out leaving your home. . It makes life simple.--] (]) 00:34, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

::P.S. Nor do you need anti-virus apps – that's mainly a microsoft problem--] (]) 00:38, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:::I like all of the suggestions, but especially the ability to be able to access their computer remotely and "resolve" annoying issues is a GREAT idea. That way they ''could'' have Internet even thought they don't think they'd use it, but I think they would like email if they gave it a chance. I think that might be the way to go. Thanks! ] 00:46, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

::::Very wise. They might be old folk but they brought you up. They will be able to grasp email if email's are explained to them bit by bit and then ….-'''Wow'' ''“we can now exchange emails with old aunt Maude who ran off with a GI to outer Mongolia at the end of WW2'' etc.. Emails can open up their world again when they find they are just a @ from all their friends and relatives. Just need to find one or two of their old friends (or grand children) that are contactable on email, lead them by ] and they will be away. They will soon be saying “Ditch ∝ why don't you email us more often?”.--] (]) 01:17, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

:::::My elderly father learned to use email and got in contact with all his old cronies that way. He even found an old high school girlfriend and took her to his 50th reunion. One thing he never quite got the hang of, though, was that you can send a one sentence e-mail. He kept thinking "Only one sentence, that's a waste of postage !". Unfortunately, this meant he would write a novel in each e-mail (with a 50/50 chance the computer would freeze up over the week it took him to write it), and he often lost the whole thing.

:::::One thing to beware of, though, access to the internet means scammers have access to him. My dad fell for the one where you supposedly get a free laptop by completing several "offers". He ended up paying hundreds of dollars for nutritional supplements he didn't want, from a company who refused to cancel his subscription, and he never got a free laptop, of course. To prevent this, you might want to use the ] system, where he can only receive emails from those on the list. ] (]) 02:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

::::::A one-sentence e-mail message reminds me of "]".
::::::—] (]) 02:40, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

:::::::<small>On the opposite end of the spectrum is my father, who had his first computer bought for him by my brother when my father was in his 70s, who writes rather short emails. He doesn't like typing and keeps things brief. Sometimes too brief though because they leave me wondering how he got from point A of the story to point B. <span style="font-family:monospace;">]</span>|] 02:49, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</small>
::::::::<small>Think this is very much on topic when it comes to keyboards and male preferences. One friend has an elderly relative (male yet again) who not only has a wonderful and neat hand written script but through years of writing with a fountain pen, finds his mind/hand coordination is more fluent when writing with a pen. In other words, he does not get on well with a keyboard as it brakes his concentration when hunting the keyboard for the right letters and punctuation marks. The problem was solved: He now writes his letter out in long hand and scans them. The only hiccup, is the he sometimes uses full colour and too high a resolution, resulting in ignominious file sizes. Having said that, he likes sending scans from the local news paper, family photos and other stuff. It has had other bonuses, in that he has been able to send over scans of letters from officialdom, spammers, etc., that has left him baffled. That saves this friend from round trip of 120 miles just to look at these letters. Simply thinking, that if they can't get the hang of cutting and pasting then there is no point in trying to get them doing something more advanced -is down to our own misconceived ideas. When you show them something that suits them, they pick it up like lightning.] (]) 18:33, 31 March 2013 (UTC)</small>

:::::That, I think, is very wise advice as well. Rule of untended consequences, right? In the same way my Dad can't get over the pop-ups that tell him to "update" or whatever (even though I tell him over and over just to ignore them and hit "cancel"), he might also be gullible to all the "advances" in spamming that have evolved in the last 10-15 years since he retired and "left" the technological world (back when we all had bulky black Nokia cell phones, and text messaging was just really starting). I imagine when our parents get older, that it is like when we were 16 and got our driver's licenses. At some point you have to let go and trust the individual to make their own judgments, hoping that our own example will provide guidance, while always still dreading the late-night phone call that there has been a wreck. My Dad used to be able to do everything...he was. well, my Dad. Now it's different. God, I feel old. It's an amazing and scary world we live in. But that's life right? I feel much better now :) ] 02:46, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

:BTW, there are computer services specifically set up for the elderly, like these: , , but I can't vouch for either, never having tried them. For example, I don't know if they can prevent other software from popping up windows telling you to upgrade (heck, they might even do so themselves). ] (]) 03:10, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
::I think you might be surprised at how well they get on with computers if they find they can use something like skype to talk to their children and grandchildren. ] (]) 11:55, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
*Older PCs can still be obtained from eBay and thrift shops. If you know what you're doing, you should be able to take any PC from the late 80s or newer and install Windows 3.1 (legal copies of Windows 3.1 appear to go for about $30 on eBay and Amazon), which would probably achieve what you're wanting to achieve. Do beware that Windows 3.1 came on floppy disks (some copies were on 5.25s, some copies came on 3.5s), so if you choose to install it on a modern computer you're going to have to either install a floppy drive or you're going to have to find some way to get it onto some sort of media compatible with the newer machine, but for what they want to use it for, any inexpensive piece of crap from the late 90s/early 2000s (which would likely have a 3.5 FDD already installed) should suffice. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:13, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

== Router ==

Why would my router keep switching itself off? Any ideas please?] (]) 06:33, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
:My first guess would be some sort of power saving feature. Could you tell us what the model of the router is? That might help. <span style="font-family:monospace;">]</span>|] 07:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

It is a Belkin Model No:F5D8635-4 v1] (]) 10:37, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

:Power-saving would not make sense in a wireless router. The does not discuss this in the Troubleshooting section, or mention anything related as far as I can see, so I think you are reduced to calling Tech Support. You might try resetting to factory defaults first (p. 56 of the manual), but there is no special reason to think that will work. ] (]) 15:22, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

*If your router came with your internet service you might want to contact your provider and ask for a new one. I have had Belkin routers replaced twice at no expense to me over the last half-a-dozen years. ] (]) 19:46, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
**I had a ] routers replaced twice by what was then called ], the process was damn near painless. Make sure it's not a problem with the electrical outlet. If it's not an ISP issued router, you may still be able to get it replaced through the manufacturer's warranty, or if it's out of warranty but you happened to pay for it with an American Express card, through Extended Warranty offered by AMEX (same applies to any card company that offers a similar benefit). ] <sup>]</sup> 21:39, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

== TurboTax Tune ==

I remember TurboTax had a MIDI-sounding tune that played on startup back in the late 90s or early 2000s, but I can't find it anywhere on the internet. Does anyone know anything about it or where on the internet it can be found? ] (]) 20:51, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

= April 1 =

== Skinning a cat ==

How many ways are there to ] a cat? --] (]) 09:50, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

== How do I find my original spawning point on Minecraft PE v0.6.1? ==

Hi,

On Minecraft, I would like to find my original spawning point so that I can build a pathway to my house for guests; the only problem is that I can't remember where I spawned in the first place! Is there any way I can know where that point is? Please help me! ] (]) 12:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

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December 11

Quote marks will not appear until I type a second one

Hello all. I have a seemingly one-off, weird and annoying issue. I am using an HP laptop computer:

OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Home
System Model HP Spectre x360 Convertible
Version 10.0.19045
Build 19045

Every time I type a quote mark on this computer (or an apostrophe using the same keyboard key without shifting) nothing happens. It is only when I invoke the character key a second time (in a row, without moving the cursor) that anything happens, which is that, only then, TWO quote marks appear. I then I have to delete one of them. Same thing for apostrophes, though I use quotes far more frequently. This happens anywhere I attempt to type the character, including when I placed this one " right now. Please note that the key is not gummed up or anything, it always works to place the two after I type the character the second time. Any ideas? --68.129.153.226 (talk) 17:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

When did this start happening? Has it always been like this? If not, what changed? Be honest. MinorProphet (talk) 20:29, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
My 13-year old Mac Mini has stopped working. (I have already purchased a new computer, arriving in about two weeks.) I thus borrowed this HP from my sister a week ago, whereupon I discovered this issue. I thus have no idea of the timeline of the problem.--68.129.153.226 (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
What happens if you type a single ' or ", followed by some other character, like a letter?
It sounds like you're in some strange mode which is attempting to interpret various multi-keystroke sequences. Those can be perfectly ordinary — for example, as you may know, on a Mac you can type Option-U to get a bare umlaut, which when you then type a letter like A or U combines with it to form Ä or Ü. But obviously these " and ' sequences you're encountering are bizarre and unwanted! (I've never heard of combining sequences starting with " or ', either.)
My guess is that these sequences are defined for the convenience of typists in some language other than English. I would go to the relevant control panel — perhaps "Keyboard", although under Windows I'm not sure — and make sure you've got English specified as your language, with no funny extra options specified. —scs (talk) 22:10, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Per the below, it sounds like you might well see different behavior depending on whether you type the " or ' followed by a vowel like A or U, versus a consonant like B or S. —scs (talk) 22:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes you're right. When you're on the international keyboard (or other non-English one) if you type a quote and then a vowel you get an umlaut. With this keyboard layout the first time you press a quote key it will not type it, and you have to press it twice to type a quote.
On Windows 10, on the bottom right, to the left of the date and time, there is an area where you can click to change the keyboard layout. For the international keyboard it is "ENG INTL". If you click it you can change to the normal keyboard, "ENG" or "ENG US" or whatever you prefer. ―Panamitsu (talk) 22:23, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
See dead key. I suppose your system is configured to see ' and " as dead keys, producing no direct output, but combining with the next character you type to create a letter with acute accent or two dots. I haven't used Windows since XP days, but I suppose that if the following character doesn't accept those diacritics, the ' or " is inserted after all. Try switching to a different keyboard layout. PiusImpavidus (talk) 10:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Have you tried a "+space sequence? I've seen such behavior of a keyboard in Windows when working in a language with diacritic letters. It simulates old typewriter - hit a diacritic symbol first, which gets printed with no carriage move, then hit a letter, which gets printed at the same place and then a carriage advances to a next position. Following this mode you hit a diacritic + space sequence to get a diacritic symbol alone. --CiaPan (talk) 15:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Well, 68.129.153.226, we're all agog to know whether any of our suggestions have worked. Be honest. MinorProphet (talk) 17:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
I am on Windows 10 on Dell laptop. I have experienced this behavior and I suspect it started after some OS update.
But note that, when you wish to include anything in double/single quote, you must continue to type as usual. The double/single quote becomes visible only after you type any following character (not just single/double quote).
You may be already aware of it, but I thought if you don't know, it will be less frustrating experience once you know how it works. manya (talk) 06:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

December 13

Where can I find a thesis of recently released Gemini 2.0?

For Gemini 1.5, I find its thesis.

What about recently released Gemini 2.0? HarryOrange (talk) 21:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Here?  --Lambiam 21:55, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
OK That's Gemini 2.0 release information. HarryOrange (talk) 16:52, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

December 15

Questions About New Laptop Computer

My old laptop computer developed problems with the power, so that it wouldn't start when connected to regular line current. It would start when connected to high-amperage current in an electronics store, but that wasn't useful, and it was time to replace it after five years. I now have some questions about problems with a new laptop computer. The new laptop computer is an HP running Windows 11. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Cursor Jumping Randomly

Sometimes when I am typing in a Word document or editing Misplaced Pages in a source window, I discover that the cursor isn't where I think it should be. The cursor has jumped to somewhere else on the screen, apparently randomly. I have to do a Ctrl-Z to undo what I typed in the wrong place, and then move the cursor back to where I want it. If this is caused by line noise, how do I minimize the impact? How likely is that a new mouse would resolve the problem? Are there any settings that I should diddle with? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

First thing I would do is give the mouse and mousepad a good clean and disconnect and reconnect it. Shantavira| 09:14, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Possibly due to your hand brushing the trackpad while typing. If you have a mouse, you could experiment with disabling the trackpad: how to disable touchpad on hp laptop. Or even just try turning it off while typing. This erratic caret jumping used to happen to me a lot, too, when my laptop was new, until I found the key to disable the trackpad.
The term caret or insertion point is useful to exclude the mouse cursor (the pointer) from searches.  Card Zero  (talk) 12:54, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you, User:Card Zero. I disabled the touchpad. For users who always use a mouse, the touchpad is a complication. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:06, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
I now have a possibly useless question. The documentation referred to an option that disables the touchpad when there is a mouse, but the only option that I found in the settings is the option that always disables the touchpad. I would like to specify that the touchpad is disabled when there is a mouse, and enable it if there is no mouse. This makes very little difference because I will always use a mouse. Is it possible that that option isn't available on my computer? This isn't important. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:38, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Possibly true, your system vendor might not have put any software on there to do that automatically. The general rule with computers is, you can make it do what you want, it's just a question of how much effort is involved in that. To do stuff automatically when hardware is (dis)connected, you have to set up something that subscribes to WMI events: Windows's thing for letting all interested parties know "hey some new device just showed up". Here's an answer for how to run a script when a device is connected: , if you really want to put in the effort. Alternatively if you just want something quicker and simpler but not automatic, you can install AutoHotkey (quite useful program) and set a shortcut key on the keyboard to disable/enable touchpad. --Slowking Man (talk) 19:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Network File Sharing

With the old laptop, I had set up network file sharing, so that the laptop computer could view and edit files in shared folders on my desktop computer, a Dell, also running Windows 11, if they were both within range of my wireless router (and the desktop computer always is). The desktop computer could also access files in shared folders on the laptop, if the laptop was I have tried to set up network file sharing with the new laptop computer. I tried calling the technical support offered by the electronics chain that I bought the computers from, and I made seven calls to them, none of which worked, and I have concluded that their technical support people don't know what they are doing, and, worse, don't know the limits of their knowledge. Does anyone have advice on a book that will tell me how to set up network file sharing with Windows 11, that has neither too little nor too much information for a retired database engineer? Robert McClenon (talk) 04:43, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon Did you try this? TheTechie@enwiki (she/they | talk) 20:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
User:TheTechie - Thank you. That describes the basics, and describes what I had done successfully with the previous laptop computer. I need either a much greater level of detail, or a troubleshooting guide, or something like that. That was helpful in that it doesn't point out anything that I am doing wrong. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:31, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Asking for clarification: you did all the steps in the section "How do I troubleshoot sharing files and folders" on that page, on the new laptop? After doing those steps, you still don't "see" your desktop in File Explorer on laptop? (Restart the laptop just in case.) Slowking Man (talk) 04:24, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Check that all the computers are on the same network. See if all the IP addresses are different. See if the wifi has the network profile set to Private. See if file explorer shows it in Network, or \\newlaptopname . You may have to check file wall settings Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

December 19

Scanning all available streams

Hello there. I'm have a question: How to scan all available online streams from a specified server and port given? For example, I've found a Wowza Streaming Engine server at 115.79.46.164 and port 1935. I want to know which website or software can help me to find all active streams on this server. Thanks for reading. Ccv2020 (talk) 14:22, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

nmap -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 17:02, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
nmap is just going to let you toss packets to the server and inspect the packets that server decides to send you back in reply. Which is great for networking analysis, but we want to speak application layer here and talk with the "streaming" software on the remote host. Does help at all? (You will need curl if not already installed.) Do take note, the party which owns the server could always have configured it to restrict the information it will give out to the public. --Slowking Man (talk) 19:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

.kp domains

How many .kp domains are there? Gnu779 (talk) 13:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Did you see .kp#Existing_and_externally_accessible_domain_list? Polygnotus (talk) 19:10, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
https://www.northkoreatech.org/the-north-korean-website-list/ is a bit outdated but has more background info. Polygnotus (talk) 19:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
It's ok, bro. I can still view the outdated ones with the Wayback Machine at the Internet Archive. Thanks, Gnu779 (talk) 16:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


December 24

Is this bug in the google search ?

I searched for the keywords: "Israel Folau" "Margaret Court" "David Tyree", then Google shows me blank. Is this bug?HarryOrange (talk) 22:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

If I do the same search, this question shows up (twice, due to how the refdesk is organized) plus a link to Stuff. So, it doesn't seem to be a bug. I tried the same format search with much more famous people and got hundreds of links. Matt Deres (talk) 13:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


December 26

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