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== The state of Indian media ==
== Review ==

A thought-provoking interview of Rajdeep Sardesai . I remember him being cocky about it a year or two ago. Now he sounds completely despondent. -- ] (]) 19:14, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

:Yes, about 9 to 10 years ago, Indian media became deprecated. ] (]) 15:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
::Please see ] and ]. ] (]) 15:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
::Even on Misplaced Pages they are mostly ], not to mention how most of them ]. - ] (]) 15:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:This month, Caravan News18 and it cannot be nearer to truth. they have pushed on Sambhal Mosque boggles my mind. Probably, nothing except The Indian Express, The Hindu, and The Dainik Bhaskar are worth relying upon anymore. ] (]) 17:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:: The freedom allowed for each media house has been circumscribed individually. Nobody is immune. Even we are not. -- ] (]) 10:32, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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Greeshma Kuthar, a freelance journalist who in my opinion produced the best reporting on the ], also made a lot of remarks on the state of media coverage in . There is also of the interview.

She didn't get into it in the interview, but revealed on twitter several times that she had a lot of difficulty getting her articles published even after she wrote them. We can only imagine why. -- ] (]) 12:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

== ] of ] ==
]

The article ] has been ]&#32;because of the following concern:
<blockquote>'''Unreferenced and unimproved 15 years. No reliable sources online Google news, newspapers, books, or scholar. Run of the mill, very small village. What little is on the page is trivia. Not enough useful information to merge.'''</blockquote>

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A vast majority of this article's submissions are in an Indian language. If someone would be able to check them, it'd be appreciated :)
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Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the ], but other ]es exist. In particular, the ] process can result in deletion without discussion, and ] allows discussion to reach ] for deletion.<!-- Template:Proposed deletion notify --> ] (]) 05:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
]<span style="position:absolute"><sup>]</sup></span><sub>]</sub> 02:08, 22 April 2013 (UTC)


:Added a ref, de-prodded since it now meets ], and removed unsourced fluff from the article. The same ref can now be used for any unreferenced article about a village in ]. -] (]) 05:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
== Chaudhary ==


== ] of ] ==
Hi..All.. Should title '''Chaudhary''' be used in the title in biographies according to ] or should it not be used due to ], e.g. ]'s official name is --] (]) 07:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
]
:Unless the Chaudhary is a part of the individual's name, treat it as an honorific and don't use it in the title. (cf. ]) --] <small>(])</small> 13:09, 28 April 2013 (UTC)


The article ] has been ]&#32;because of the following concern:
== ] ==
<blockquote>'''Unreferenced and unimproved 15 years. The ] does not exist any more, and the ] subdivision does not exist. Unverified, run of the mill, very small village. Not enough information to merge.'''</blockquote>


While all constructive contributions to Misplaced Pages are appreciated, pages may be ].
I would like to draw the attention of the regular users of this board to the 'criticism' section of this article. I have filed an ] section that aims to gain consensus on the validity of this section, particularly in the light of wikipedia policies concerning criticism sections. Generous commentary on that page is invited.] (]) 09:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


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== Saradha scandal for ITN ==


Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the ], but other ]es exist. In particular, the ] process can result in deletion without discussion, and ] allows discussion to reach ] for deletion.<!-- Template:Proposed deletion notify --> ] (]) 20:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi all, a debate is going on at ] to decide if the article on ] should be featured at ITN. Pls have a look and if you want pls do participate in the discussion. ] (]) 08:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


:@] Not sure if you saw the comment for the other proposed deletion of ], but looks like these villages articles may meet ]. I am not quite clear after reading ], but I am guessing that they need to be kept and not deleted. ] (]) 22:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
== Peths of Pune ==
::I can't emphasize enough that it's very important that you need to put in a source before it can be deprodded. If you insist, and want to be difficult, I'll take it to ]. Again, the easy-peasy approach is to add a reference. Thank you for improving this project. ] (]) 01:26, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
:::@] Oh I too support the proposed deletion for this page and other such minimally developed unsourced pages! But I was just highlighting what I saw & mentioned by the other editor regarding ]. ] (]) 12:28, 14 December 2024 (UTC)


== ] of ] ==
A very new Misplaced Pages editor {{user|Coolgama}} has:
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* Moved ] to ] (yes, missing out the space)
* Created a new article about "Shaniwar Peth" as a generic term, at ] ( with a "see also" link (not a hatnote) to point to ]
* Changed all the links in ]
*Not amended the many for "Shaniwar Peth"


The article ] has been ]&#32;because of the following concern:
I've moved this one article, and fixed a hatnote for it, but the same has been done for many other "xxx Peth" articles.
<blockquote>'''Fails ] and ]. Several searches with Google and sub-engines show nothing besides social media posts and ], which both fail ]. TL;DR, no sources, no notability.'''</blockquote>


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I came across some of the "xxx Peth,Pune" articles while ], and sorted them.


You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your ] or on ].
Not all the Peths had existing articles - for some, like ], a new stub article has been created but with nothing at ] (neither a redirect nor an article with a hatnote).


Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the ], but other ]es exist. In particular, the ] process can result in deletion without discussion, and ] allows discussion to reach ] for deletion.<!-- Template:Proposed deletion notify -->
There are a lot of links from {{tl|Pune topics}} which will need to be fixed to point to the various articles - now either redlinks or pointing to the generic articles.


P.S. So many PRODed article messages here. ] <sup>]</sup><sub>]</sub> 05:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
I don't know whether these localities are notable, whether the places in Pune are primary topics, etc, but some cleaning up seems needed. I've left a note on the editor's talkpage. ]] 13:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)


:We Wikipedians are in the process of cleaning up a 15-year backlog of unsourced and unimproved articles. I plan to take a two-week break over the Christmas holidays, but I'm still volunteering on my birthday. ] (]) 14:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
: The article ] should be moved to ], and the Pune-specific content should be a subsection within that article. The pages ], ] etc. should redirect to this page. ] (]) 03:54, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
::Left unsaid is that many of the single purpose accounts who created these articles and pages are no longer volunteering. It's an excellent example of ]. ] (]) 14:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)


== Help needed from Bengali Wikipedians == == More eyes at ] please ==


Could anyone help to expand this table ]? You can find the list of the stories in the article ]. And I can help with resources too! --] (]) 06:14, 3 May 2013 (UTC) See ] regarding the page protection. Would be good if some experienced editors could add the article to their watchlist. ] (]) 19:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
== Ban on use of Hindi etc. in lead brackets ==


:Done, also welcome back! {{Ping|Abecedare}}. - ] (]) 00:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I've just been made aware by good Tito D of the WP:India ban on giving Hindi etc. script. ] preventing a lead such as normal with Chinese, Arabic, Russian, Japanese, Korean, Thai, articles.
* ] - '''Akio Morita (盛田 昭夫 Morita Akio, January 26, 1921 in Nagoya, Aichi – October 3, 1999 in Tokyo) was a Japanese businessman...
This would seem to me to be out of line with WP:RS. Not having the local spelling of BLP for example is a guaranteed way to decrease quality of sources. I regularly de-PROD new BLPs, but usually let the Indian BLPs die, simply because without clear Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam, Bengali or Hindi names it is usually impossible to even find sources, let alone assess then. Is everybody happy that the ban has resulted in an improvement in article reliablity and sourcing since it was implemented in Jan 2012? ] (]) 07:00, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
:{{Talkquote|I regularly de-PROD new BLPs, but usually let the Indian BLPs die, simply because without clear Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam, Bengali or Hindi names it is usually impossible to even find sources}}
:—Good point! I also often can not check Tamil, Telugu etc sources! --] (]) 07:31, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
::I can usually guess the Hindi, sometimes guess the Bengali or Telugu. But it's mainly too much effort, better to let the article die. ] (]) 08:19, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
:WP:India is in no position to ban anything. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 20:50, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
::In ictu oculi, the consensus is to avoid using indic scripts in the lead. There was a long discussion on this but part of the problem with Indian articles is that there are many candidate scripts for the same title. For example, take someone like Surjit Singh Barnala. As the former governor of Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu, and as a former Union Minister, one could easily argue that his name should be rendered in Telegu, Tamil, Devanagari and Gurmukhi. In fact, there are plenty of reliable sources for the rendering of his name in all those scripts. That, obviously, is a bit different from the case of Akio Morita who has only his Japanese script to deal with. For this reason, as well as for many other reasons the consensus was that it is better not to clutter the lead with a plethora of scripts. Though I don't see it in Mr. Barnala's case, I believe that the consensus was that it was ok to use indic scripts in an info box. In which case, you would have no problem finding sources. --] <small>(])</small> 21:14, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
:::RegentsPark, I see what the consensus is and yesterday self-reverted a Bengali film name addition I made before Tito bhai alerted me. Evidently the example ] is an example of where multiple indic names would be possible and therefore the existing guideline is appropriate and useful. But doesn't preclude infobox.
:::In contrast ] is an example where only 2 indic names (Urdu and possibly Malayalam) would be natural, and ] is an example where only 1 indic name would be natural.
:::I would have thought there was a case for an exception e.g. "if there is only 1 clear relevant indic name, and the article has no infobox, then a maximum of 1 indic name, with preferably IPA or temporarily romanization, may be added in brackets. If there is any dispute or attempt to add a second name, then both should be removed". etc.
:::Does the guideline consensus extend to Nepal, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Pakistan? ] (]) 04:04, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
::::No. The consensus only applies to India. I have a vague recollection that the whole thing started with Tamil speaking villages in Kerala (or was it Malayalam speaking villages in Tamil Nadu?) or something like that. With Indian articles it is not always clear what language or languages apply and it does make sense to not have to deal with that in the lead. But, the scripts are in the info box (or you can add them in if not), so I don't really see this as a big problem. --] <small>(])</small> 19:17, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


== Notifying once more == == ] ==


Expert input needed please at ], thanks. ] (]) 16:10, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi all! This is a re-notification that the article ] is a current ]. All comments, criticism, suggestion are greatly welcome. Thanks,--] (]) 15:17, 4 May 2013 (UTC)


== ] ==
== Indian Major English Newspapers Search ==


I can't find any English language sources. Can you please help? ] (]) 04:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
For a long time now, I have been facing trouble to find Indian newspaper articles in news.google.com. I have just created . Tests not done still! --] (]) 15:45, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:I like it. Please add it to the project page. <font color="navy">— ] (])</font> 16:44, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:: How to add more newspaper. I am interested in adding --<font size="3" face="Corsiva Hebrew" color="green">Vigyani</font><sub>]</sub><sup>]</sup> 16:48, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:::Tribune was already added. --] (]) 16:56, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:::: Please add ] which has a wide coverage of news from ]. Though it is a recent launch, I prefer it over TOI and The Telegraph. ] ] 17:00, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::Orissa Post added! --] (]) 17:18, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::: this to the tools section in ].--] (]) 20:25, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::Super useful Tito - thanks! --] <small>(])</small> 19:18, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
::::::::Yay. Another reason to ]! - ] (]) 17:25, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::* Made some minor changes in the URL, removed spaces from it. so that direct URL of every search pages can be given easily (Misplaced Pages does not recognize space in URL). Updating the here. Though the previous URL should automatically redirect to new URL too! --] (]) 11:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
It would be of great help to me. Thanks. - ] (]) 14:47, 10 May 2013 (UTC)


:I didn't get any results searching on . Searching for "konam" only gives 2 results, neither of which are in Tamil Nadu. -] (]) 07:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
== Source warning ==


== Bechar Bhadani ==
I have no idea if Pearson Education India is connected to Routledge but , published in 2007, is a direct copy of , which was originally published in 1995. I've often had doubts about PEI stuff but this is the first time I have found clear evidence of apparent copyright violation (I've never had time to dig into it but various passages in various books "rang bells" and I just happened on this example). We need perhaps to be careful. - ] (]) 17:21, 9 May 2013 (UTC)


I'd be grateful for any pointers about the notability or otherwise of this Gujarati politician ]. I came across the article during my general monitoring of unreferenced BLPs, and declined a BLPPROD on the basis that there was one source and a subsequent PROD on the basis that there were some potentially reasonable looking sources on the first page of a Google search. I will look into those a bit more, but if anyone had better knowledge of the subject and could give an informal "yeah, notable" or "no, almost certainly not notable" I would appreciate it (this is not an area of expertise for me!). Cheers, ] (]) 10:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
== Anyone else got email from Kegsapter on biased Wikipedians? ==


== Good article reassessment for ] ==
I have got an email accusing few editors of Misplaced Pages and how Misplaced Pages is biased towards India. The email contained a link of a Google Group. I have a doubt he has sent emails to other Indian Wikipedians too! Anyone else got such email? ] is handling it! --] (]) 16:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 19:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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A thought-provoking interview of Rajdeep Sardesai . I remember him being cocky about it a year or two ago. Now he sounds completely despondent. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:14, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, about 9 to 10 years ago, Indian media became deprecated. Bearian (talk) 15:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Please see Misplaced Pages:ICTFSOURCES and User:Ms Sarah Welch/sandbox/Paid news and private treaties. Bearian (talk) 15:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Even on Misplaced Pages they are mostly unusable for establishing any form of notability, not to mention how most of them support the ruling party. - Ratnahastin (talk) 15:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
This month, Caravan profiled News18 and it cannot be nearer to truth. The amount of ludicrous junk they have pushed on Sambhal Mosque boggles my mind. Probably, nothing except The Indian Express, The Hindu, and The Dainik Bhaskar are worth relying upon anymore. Upd Edit (talk) 17:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
The freedom allowed for each media house has been circumscribed individually. Nobody is immune. Even we are not. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:32, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Greeshma Kuthar, a freelance journalist who in my opinion produced the best reporting on the Manipur violence, also made a lot of remarks on the state of media coverage in an interview with Frontliine. There is also full transcript of the interview.

She didn't get into it in the interview, but revealed on twitter several times that she had a lot of difficulty getting her articles published even after she wrote them. We can only imagine why. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Gandhali

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Unreferenced and unimproved 15 years. No reliable sources online Google news, newspapers, books, or scholar. Run of the mill, very small village. What little is on the page is trivia. Not enough useful information to merge.

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Added a ref, de-prodded since it now meets WP:NGEO, and removed unsourced fluff from the article. The same ref can now be used for any unreferenced article about a village in Jalgaon district. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 05:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mondipalayam

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Unreferenced and unimproved 15 years. The Bhavani taluk does not exist any more, and the Mylambadi subdivision does not exist. Unverified, run of the mill, very small village. Not enough information to merge.

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@Bearian Not sure if you saw the comment for the other proposed deletion of Gandhali, but looks like these villages articles may meet WP:NGEO. I am not quite clear after reading WP:NGEO, but I am guessing that they need to be kept and not deleted. Asteramellus (talk) 22:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
I can't emphasize enough that it's very important that you need to put in a source before it can be deprodded. If you insist, and want to be difficult, I'll take it to WP:AfD. Again, the easy-peasy approach is to add a reference. Thank you for improving this project. Bearian (talk) 01:26, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
@Bearian Oh I too support the proposed deletion for this page and other such minimally developed unsourced pages! But I was just highlighting what I saw & mentioned by the other editor regarding WP:NGEO. Asteramellus (talk) 12:28, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Srinivasa Higher Secondary School, Melaiyur

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NSCHOOL. Several searches with Google and sub-engines show nothing besides social media posts and Wikimapia, which both fail WP:SELFPUB. TL;DR, no sources, no notability.

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P.S. So many PRODed article messages here. Sparkle and Fade edits 05:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

We Wikipedians are in the process of cleaning up a 15-year backlog of unsourced and unimproved articles. I plan to take a two-week break over the Christmas holidays, but I'm still volunteering on my birthday. Bearian (talk) 14:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
Left unsaid is that many of the single purpose accounts who created these articles and pages are no longer volunteering. It's an excellent example of Brandolini's law. Bearian (talk) 14:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

More eyes at Zakir Hussain please

See my note regarding the page protection. Would be good if some experienced editors could add the article to their watchlist. Abecedare (talk) 19:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Done, also welcome back! @Abecedare:. - Ratnahastin (talk) 00:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Banajiga

Expert input needed please at Talk:Balija#Proposed merge of Banajiga into Balija, thanks. Wikishovel (talk) 16:10, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Nalloorkonam

I can't find any English language sources. Can you please help? Bearian (talk) 04:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I didn't get any results searching on the indian census site. Searching for "konam" only gives 2 results, neither of which are in Tamil Nadu. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Bechar Bhadani

I'd be grateful for any pointers about the notability or otherwise of this Gujarati politician Bechar Bhadani. I came across the article during my general monitoring of unreferenced BLPs, and declined a BLPPROD on the basis that there was one source and a subsequent PROD on the basis that there were some potentially reasonable looking sources on the first page of a Google search. I will look into those a bit more, but if anyone had better knowledge of the subject and could give an informal "yeah, notable" or "no, almost certainly not notable" I would appreciate it (this is not an area of expertise for me!). Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 10:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Temper (film)

Temper (film) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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