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At Misplaced Pages we must all try to edit from a NPOV. On occasion my Faith has been called into question. Indeed some have honestly wondered how I can write what I have about the Historical Jesus and still be a Christian.
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'''Christianity not relevant in our modern world''' As a young litigation lawyer, I believed in God, but felt that Christianity was no longer relevant in our modern world. Jesus' teachings such as "Thou shalt not kill" "Love your enemy" "You can not serve both God and Money" were just not relevant in these modern times. I believed in the death penalty, war, material wealth. I did unto others before they did unto me. I did not get angry, I got even...and a bit!


'''Spiritual awakening''' Then, a series of events made me reconsider my beliefs and come to the conclusion that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was still relevant today. I read a great deal about people who still believed in the Gospel, including Mahatma Gandhi, Dr Martin Luther King Jr., etc., etc. This led to a Spiritual awaking that forever changed my life.


'''South Africa''' It was here, working for Archbishop Desmond Tutu, that my faith was put to the test. Could love and non violence really bring down the Apartheid government? We were out-gunned, out-matched in every way. What the Archbishop was preaching made no earthly sense. Yet before my eyes I witnessed this racist government fall. As I stepped out in faith on a daily basis, I experienced God in a real way. In my heart I came to believe that the Gospel of Christ was the most powerful force in the Universe. The Roman Empire never stood a chance. Nor did the British Empire in India, or, for that matter, Segregation in the South.

'''Twelve Step Program''' Several years later I was approached by a group who wanted to use my Church. They explained to me that their program was basic Christianity without many of the offensive "buzz words" that had been added over the years.
# Confessing that we were miserable sinners became ''"We admitted we were powerless over alcohol or drugs etc -- that our lives had become unmanageable."''
# Faith was changed to ''"Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity."''
# Accepting Jesus Christ as our Personal Saviour became ''"Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him."''
# Accepting that we had all sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God was changed to ''"Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves."''
# Making our confession was reworded to ''"Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs."''
# Repentance became ''"Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character."''
# Bin saved became ''"Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings."''
# ''"Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all."''
# ''"Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others."''
# Continued confession became ''"Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it."''
# ''"Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out."''
# Born Again & Witnessing became ''"Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to others, and to practice these principles in all our affairs."''

This simplified "Gospel" has transformed the lives of millions. It is truly powerful regardless of the packaging. My faith finds form in Anglicanism because of the freedom from "strict dogma", but I have seen the power of Christ in all denominations. Walking with Christ for these many, many years has given me a faith that allows me to edit Misplaced Pages from a NPOV. The reason is that my faith is not based on the "historical evidence" that has survived to 2012 but rather it is based upon my experience over a very very long time...
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:::::@ Ignocrates...It has been pointed out that you doubted my word and wanted an RfC/U for Ret.Prof. Do not feel bad! In your shoes I would have done the same. I looked really, really, really guilty!! If bureaucrat '''Nihonjoe''' had not figured out that the edit histories for ] and the ] had been tampered with, I would have been finished at Misplaced Pages! Cheers - ] (]) 15:30, 17 April 2013 (UTC) PS In my relationship with you, I have always found you to be fair and honorable!
::::::Thank you. That is the nicest thing anyone has said to me in almost 8 years of editing. I proposed an RFC/U for two reasons: (1) it allows other editors to offer constructive criticism - ideally, a constructive dialogue - which may lead to improvements in your editing, and just as importantly, (2) it compels other editors - who may have an axe to grind - to put their cards on the table. If they have an opportunity to express their concerns and they don't take it, that will be mentioned later at ANI or in arbitration. I learned a long time ago in the business world that the best way to deal with snipers is to bring them out into the light. ] (]) 15:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)


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:Thanks, I will. - ] (]) 18:34, 25 March 2013 (UTC)... I have. The concerns that you have raised are legitimate. Also, , and have some merit. I just noticed John C is an Admin! In any event I have chosen to assume good faith. I am being careful in my edits. My protection is very much up to those bureaucrats who patrol Misplaced Pages. Thanks again to '''Nihonjoe'''! - ] (]) 15:30, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


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*'''Re tactic #1 & tactic #2 mentioned above:''' Most unsettling. Yet I am going to assume good faith. Several bureaucrats and admins are aware of the situation. It seems over the past week you, have taken a bit of a beating. It seems no good deed goes unpunished! Most unfair. Sorry Ignocrates! - ] (]) 19:33, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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::No worries. That's life in the big Wiki. The beating I took over this article is nothing compared to how I am used to being treated. At least I don't have anyone sending me threatening emails (yet). I don't think outside observers of this complex dispute understand how much it is rocking the foundation of certain people's deeply-held beliefs. ] (]) 22:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
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IT LOOKS.


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  1. Stay calm and maintain a professional demeanor. Be patient and remain courteous and civil.
  2. Avoid conflict, even when you know you are right. Give other editors the benefit of the doubt.  
  3. Assume good faith toward your collaborating editors, if not their edits. Assuming good faith is not intended to be self-destructive, but to avoid conflict.
  4. Ignore attacks. Not easily done, but a real timesaver. Attacks and counter-attacks are hazardous to your mental health. The best and most frequently offered administrative advice is to move on, and, if absolutely necessary, return the next day.
  5. Don't take it personally. Editors make honest mistakes. Communicating our thoughts is not easily done on the Internet.
  6. Don't isolate your interpretation. There are many interpretations other than yours. What you read might NOT be what was meant.
  7. Don't think of editing as a competition. WE are cohorts, collaborating to improve our thing.
  8. Don't edit when angry or upset. Stay off the article and talk page in question. Never let your anger or frustration be the deciding factor in your behavior.
  9. Don't forget the human dimension of Misplaced Pages editing. Keep things in perspective. There is a real, living and breathing, sensitive human on the other side of the discussion.
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Ray's Rules

  1. You and your problems are not the most important thing in the world.
  2. Choose your battles. Yield when it doesn't matter, and stand your ground when it does.
  3. Keep a thick skin. Don't let criticism discourage you. Instead, let it teach you.
  4. You learn more from listening than from talking. "A good listener is not only popular everywhere, but after a while he gets to know something." (Wilson Mizner)
  5. Don’t waste your time arguing with an idiot.
  6. Give other people the same respect that you would want from them. (Matthew 7:12)
  7. The surest way to drive yourself crazy is to compare yourself to other people.
  8. Take the high road, no matter what the other person does. It will benefit you in the long run. (Romans 12:20)
  9. Don’t take yourself too seriously: "We share 99% of our genes with mice, and we even have the genes that could make a tail." (Dr. Jane Rogers, Human Sequencing and Mapping Project Manager, Sanger Institute); "The graveyards are full of indispensable men." (Charles de Gaulle)
  10. The most important thing is to be able to look yourself in the mirror. “There comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular, but one must take it because it's right.” (Martin Luther King, Jr.)
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Happy, Happy

Happy First Edit Day!

Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

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Thanks, - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:04, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

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Have a great day! CAPTAIN RAJU 22:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)


Thanks - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Closure of AfD on Olabisi Akanbi

Hi I believe you have closed this AfD improperly for the following reasons:

  • It was only relisted two days ago and should run for another five
  • I don't believe you are an administrator and there was no urgent need to close it early
  • You expressed a view (not based on policy) in the discussion, and then closed it, which is explicitly not allowed.
  • Six editors supported deletion (plus me=7). The article creator and you were the only editors favouring keep. You have explicitly closed against consensus in my view, and this is not acceptable.

For these reasons I'm asking you to undo your close, allow the discussion to continue, and leave it to an admin to close at the appropriate time. Thanks Mccapra (talk) 14:41, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I have taken the appropiate action and hope the matter has now been resolved. - Ret.Prof (talk) 12:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

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− I have enjoyed working on my proposed edits. Thanks for the good advice and helpful suggestions! I wish everyone all the best in the coming year. Enjoy the Christmas, and thanks for maintaining, improving and expanding Misplaced Pages. Cheers - Ret.Prof (talk) 15:54, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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Dorcas or Tabitha?

Hello Professor. Don't know if it matters to you, I just saw that you've contributed to that article. I'll only bother you this one more time. If you want, you can find the current discussion here. It's a bit stuck. I'm not a native speaker and don't know what feels like being the right variant in your area and community, and the online available data is not always clear or the best criterion. Thanks and all the best, Arminden (talk) 11:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

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RFA

Hi Professor, I've moved your RFA oppose comment to the comment section as you only said "Comment" and not "Oppose" - If you were outright opposing you're more than welcome to move your comment with the comment changed to oppose, Have a nice Christmas and a Happy New Year, Thanks, Davey2010 (talk) 17:37, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

No problem.- Ret.Prof (talk) 21:05, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Every good wish and blessing!


Happy New Year

Wishing everyone the best for the new year; hopefully we can put the pandemic behind us. — Ret.Prof (talk) 16:44, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

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Wikiproject

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to Oral gospel traditions, would you be interested in joining a wikiproject on oral tradition? Kowal2701 (talk) 15:42, 25 July 2024 (UTC)