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	I don't understand why you want to keep all the unnecessary coding in this table? We don't need to have 189 instances of align="center" when it can be put into the main table code with exactly the same outcome.

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	In addition, by having the <nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki> function and insisting that the table be 100% width, you are creating a load of whitespace under the section heading that doesn't need to be there.

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	Also, the second wording in a heading should not be capitalised unless it is a proper noun. Cheers, ] ]] 13:47, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
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	:Lets address one thing at a time. First, lets talk about the polling table for gr-leg. The coding is the same as used as the table for the next danish election, german election, icelandic election, the italian election we've just seen, and that's just off the top of my head. It's basically the same table as is being used everywhere else, which is in and of itself a good reason not to change it.

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	:There's also a better reason in my opinion, but, first of all, the <nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki> should definitely be kept, whichever table we end up agreeing upon, as it takes up vastly more space in the article without it. No one but a few users will see the coding, but a vast number of eyes will see the article. You talked about white space, but if you compare there's far more white space in the version without <nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki> -- it's just located within the table itself, making it harder to read.

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	:As to the other effects of the current coding, I like that it keeps every column the same size, which both makes it easier to read at first glance, and has a certain fairness to it.

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	:You mentioned wanting to narrow the polling table to reduce the white space, but I don't think that's a big issue, as it's only temporary. The sections above the polling table will increase in size quickly once the election begins to approach, so the entire opinion polling section will be below the infobox, erasing the white space.
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	:However, I can see your point, so here's two different ideas to narrow the polling table. If you look at the page for opinion polling for the Spanish election, there's a column for "Undecided/Abstained", but instead of writing that out, its been condensed to "U/A" with a note at the bottom of the table explaining what that means. I suggest we take this format to greatly reduce the size of the "Undecided/Other" column in the gr-leg article. Secondly, we can take a cue from the article for the next Icelandic election and used abbreviated dates to substantially reduce that column as well.

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	:These two reforms should reduce the size of the table by more than your coding simplifications, thus eliminating white space above the table, while also largely maintaining the current coding, which eliminates white space within the polling table and creates congruency with other wikipedia articles. Do you find this an acceptable compromise?

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	::Thanks for the detailed response, but I'm not really clear on what you propose. Perhaps we should compare here? I've started below. Regarding the whitespace, I don't see any whitespace with the current version (I can e-mail you screenshots if you'd like). ] ]] 15:26, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
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	:::Here's the table I'm proposing. I'm very confused if you're not seeing white space; do you have an unusually large computed monitor? The white space is being caused by the polling firm and dates column, as since they don't have a defined size anymore, it caused long polling firm names as well as the dates to wrap into a second line that makes the entire table twice as tall as it was previously. This table uses abbreviations for the dates to let it stay both horizontally slim (no long columns to keep them in one line) and vertically slim (no two lines required for the date columns.) --] (]) 15:54, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

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	:::::I use safari, and that fixed the white space problem, so good job. :-) But lets move on to the fundamental issue here. Is the proposed table an acceptable compromise for you? And if not, what changes do you think should be made? --] (]) 16:30, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

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	::::::Cool. Yes, I think the new table is good. I've made some changes in the example below simply to remove unnecessary coding (which reduces the bandwidth needed to view the table on the article) but doesn't change the appearance at all. One thing I can't see though is how the Polling firm heading has been forced into two lines. ] ]] 16:40, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

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	:::::::Alright then, I'm OK with this. If there are no objections lets insert this new table... ? --] (]) 17:17, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
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Edit summaries

Regarding this, that's fine, but that's exactly why it's important to use edit summaries to let other readers know exactly why you're removing info. Valenciano (talk) 14:35, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry. I'll try to be better about that in the future. --4idaho (talk) 14:37, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Opinion polls... in the infobox

Seeing as you're the expert, what are your thoughts on their inclusion in the infobox, as done here? I didn't even realise it was a function as I've never seen it before, but I have to say I'm not a fan... Number 5 7 19:50, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps it's worth starting a discussion at Template talk:Infobox election to get the parameter removed. I think you've made some good arguments in favour of doing so – selective polling is a serious NPOV risk. Number 5 7 22:20, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

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I reverted to just McCann in the infobox. I'm only going to make one comment on that mess of a discussion on the Talk page because the editor that wants Jackson in the infobox clearly isn't arguing in good faith (he's just ignoring what other people are saying in favor of some standard he made up himself.) --4idaho (talk) 02:31, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

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