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| == Bureaucrat views RFA talk-page discussion as play and entertainment == | |||
| == Resysop request (Arcticocean) == | |||
| I didn't know this editor was a bureaucrat until I started to review my options in regard to the latest . For reference, is a recent diff of the talk page. The following diffs show that this editor's attitude toward the candidate is less than impartial, or show attempts to deflect the flow of discussion away from the topic at hand, , | |||
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| My discussions with this editor occurred in the section (although there is also one exchange on the Project Page). The editor was never able or willing to discuss the topic at hand. After a few unproductive posts, edit reveals the editor is looking at our discussion as "play". If you review to the edit posted at 17:12, 1 June 2013 (UTC), the post reports that the RFA discussion is "becoming entertaining". In the context, "play" and "entertain" are not constructive words. Anything I say to him will be viewed as "play", and the response will be his idea of play. As shown in the first , this has already happened. I realize that the people here are volunteers. I, too, am a volunteer. Thank you, ] (]) 11:00, 4 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| * Previous username: AGK | |||
| Hello. I requested self-removal of my sysop permissions in June 2021. At that time, I was becoming too busy in real life to regularly contribute to Misplaced Pages, a situation made worse by the COVID-19 pandemic. I returned as a regular contributor to Misplaced Pages some months ago but have been taking time to catch up on changes in the community. Although I remained occasionally active whilst away, I felt it important not to request the tools back until I was sure of still being in touch with the community's standards. As I'm now permanently back and have been for some time, I am requesting restoration of my sysop permissions. With thanks, ] 15:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :Looking at that first edit, The Rambling Man was calling out what he considered hypocrisy on your part; to be fair, I think that's a fair declaration when someone is criticizing someone else's writing and then has several errors in their own posts. I don't see how you can refer to as him calling the whole discussion as play; are you genuinely not familiar with the phrase "well played"? It's akin to "touché", albeit used sarcastically here due to his disagreement with your and Kiefer.Wolfowitz's positions. TRM is simply frustrated at some rather poor attitudes and is getting his hands a bit dirtier than normal as a result (there's nothing saying that bureaucrats can't jump into the mix at RfA, though I trust TRM enough to know he won't likely close the RfA, so I don't have any concerns about him not being impartial), but considering how silly (and absurdly personal) some of the comments from the opposition are getting, I personally don't see it as a problem (and I don't think him saying that a situation is "becoming entertaining" is some egregious insult; I think you're misinterpreting his statements and taking them '''way''' too seriously).<br />Perhaps everyone should just step back and disengage. ] <span style="color: #999;">// ] // ] //</span> 11:24, 4 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *Desysop request is at ]. – ] <small>(])</small> 15:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::I was going to reply here, but I see that EVula has made all the points that I would have made (and then some), so I'll just note that I agree with his analysis. ] (]) 12:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| *Last admin action appears to be May 2021. — ] <sup>]</sup> 16:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| <small>Is it too late to appoint them to this year's ArbCom? --] (]) 14:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :::Hey guys (mainly ]). Anyone fancied letting me know about this discussion? No great shakes, but it would have been nice to know, not that I'd have had much to say about it, EVula has covered it. As my mum says, "politeness costs nothing". ] (]) 20:14, 5 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| <small>Yes 8-) -- ] (]) 14:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</small> | |||
| (outdent) I think it was fairly clear throughout Mattythewhite's RfA that he was commenting in the discussion in his capacity as an editor, rather than as a bureaucrat. A bureaucrat is as free as anyone else to !vote in an RfA and to comment during the discussion, so long as he or she doesn't then act with his or her bureaucrat hat on during that RfA. (It's the same principle by which I be a party to a dispute that comes before ArbCom, but then I couldn't act as an arbitrator in that dispute.) | |||
| :<small>Yes it's too late, or yes that was an uncharacteristically good idea? Or both? --] (]) 14:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :We probably will until some form of reform or policing of the system is finally introduced. But that would either need a top-down from the WMF (which is unlikely) or an RfC that is heavily subscribed from the commnuity. ] (]) 00:23, 6 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::<small> I'm enjoying my retirement from that role, although the arbitrator's pension isn't what it used to be. ] 15:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</small> | |||
| ::How about this proposal, which really represents a "least common denominator" situation: A bureaucrat has authority to ban a given editor from commenting further on a given RfA or its talkpage if (1) the bureaucrat reasonably believes that the editor's contributions have become disruptive or distracting, and (2) the editor has already made ten or more comments on that RfA? ] (]) 02:50, 6 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::<small>(slightly - just slightly - sinister tone) It's not necessarily up to you...--] (]) 15:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :::They can use discretion to discount votes and probably even to strike them if they are egregiously inappropriate, but the power to ban probably falls outside the scope of a bureaucrat. Regards, — ] ] 02:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :{{done}}. ] (]) 15:16, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Better to use non-bureaucrat clerks (whether the clerks are formal or not), than to have the bureaucrats muddy their role by both guiding consensus negotiating behaviour, policing undefined rules, and judging. Past attempts to remove/prevent unsavory stuff have led into prolonged discussion, and it is better that bureaucrats are not committed to engaging in these discussions during a RfA. Any admin may block an editor who is disrupting, and then it goes to ANI, away from the RfA page. --] (]) 04:40, 6 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Every time any admin tries to clerk an RfA, it explodes into controversy and can easily turn bad for the candidate. It goes to ANI, drama happens, that brings over more people from ANI to add more pointed votes at RfA, rinse, repeat. Striking or removing sock comments isn't a problem, but other than that, policy is unclear and failing us miserably. ] / ] / ] / ] 17:39, 6 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| Many thanks! ] 16:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::I never misused my admin or my 'crat tools in this RFA, I deliberately supported Matty because I think he's an excellent and long-standing contributor (few and far between) who is capable of making a net gain to the project. I wasn't specifically "clerking" the RFA, but making personal reactions to some of the nonsense that I saw there. I was never going to be anything but an "editor" in this RFA which EVula has already noted, I voted strong support first up of any !voters. The fact that Unscintillating doesn't understand the nuances of British English and one of KW's stick with which to beat Matty was similar (i.e. the appalling "review" of the lead of Matty's FA), and the ongoing saga with KW demonstrates that we should all pick and choose our language more clearly and unambiguously, particularly in inflammatory situations. ] (]) 17:50, 6 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Obviously, people hold Bureaucrats to the highest standard of Wikipedians, higher than Arbs or Admin, but it is more complex than that. To many editors, Crats are the final word of good sense and calm judgement here, and it has nothing to do with using the bit in any way. This is why the standard to get cratship is so high and typically only obtainable by individuals who have shown they can be among the most calm and neutral in discussion. While you didn't break any policy by your participation, you fell short of what people ''expect'' in a Bureaucrat, ie: perfectly neutral in all ways. Just as people expect admin to be held to a higher standard even when they aren't using the bit, the expectations for Crats is higher '''''in everything they do'''''. When you fall short of that, some people will be disappointed and believe you have failed the bit, failed Misplaced Pages. This is inescapable. Is it fair? Maybe not, but that doesn't change the perception that people have about Bureaucrats: "''Those are the guys that rise above the petty arguments and politics, and offer neutral input on all things.''" Most editors will give your opinions more weight in '''any''' discussion, but at the price of higher expectations in all things, regardless of how policy defines your role. Nothing you can say here will change that perception. ] / ] / ] / ] 18:27, 6 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
| == Desysop request (Euryalus) == | |||
| Am full-time with work and don't presently have need for admin tools. Can {{Userrights|Euryalus}} please be desysopped for now. All the best -- ] (]) 07:27, 15 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :{{done}}. ] (]) 07:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks for your service. ] (]) 15:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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Resysop request (Arcticocean)
- Arcticocean (t · th · c · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)
- Previous username: AGK
Hello. I requested self-removal of my sysop permissions in June 2021. At that time, I was becoming too busy in real life to regularly contribute to Misplaced Pages, a situation made worse by the COVID-19 pandemic. I returned as a regular contributor to Misplaced Pages some months ago but have been taking time to catch up on changes in the community. Although I remained occasionally active whilst away, I felt it important not to request the tools back until I was sure of still being in touch with the community's standards. As I'm now permanently back and have been for some time, I am requesting restoration of my sysop permissions. With thanks, arcticocean ■ 15:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Desysop request is at Special:Permalink/1138384955#Desysop request (AGK). – DreamRimmer (talk) 15:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
- Last admin action appears to be May 2021. — xaosflux 16:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Is it too late to appoint them to this year's ArbCom? --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Yes 8-) -- Avi (talk) 14:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- Yes it's too late, or yes that was an uncharacteristically good idea? Or both? --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm enjoying my retirement from that role, although the arbitrator's pension isn't what it used to be. arcticocean ■ 15:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- (slightly - just slightly - sinister tone) It's not necessarily up to you...--Floquenbeam (talk) 15:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm enjoying my retirement from that role, although the arbitrator's pension isn't what it used to be. arcticocean ■ 15:04, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Done. Primefac (talk) 15:16, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Many thanks! arcticocean ■ 16:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
Desysop request (Euryalus)
Am full-time with work and don't presently have need for admin tools. Can Euryalus (current rights · rights management · rights log (local) · rights log (global/meta) · block log) please be desysopped for now. All the best -- Euryalus (talk) 07:27, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Done. Primefac (talk) 07:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your service. Ymblanter (talk) 15:29, 15 January 2025 (UTC)