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== Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Thenightchicagodied ==

Please review ] as this user is back to socking. Thank you. ] (]) 18:48, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

== Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Maunus/Archive ==

Apologies for editing the archive... did not have an idea about it. Thanks for pointing it out though. ] (]) 05:02, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

== Greenday25 ==

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:{{duck}}. --''']]]''' 09:14, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

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== ANI comment ==

No worries on the revert. I got no edit conflict warning, so didn't see Dennis had closed. I suspect the comment reached the intended recipient anyway. Cheers. <span style="font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#000;">]&thinsp;]</span> 16:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

== Infobox road question ==

You recently edited this and seem to deal with these things often, so I figured you might know something.

It looks like including a map causes the country param to be required. There is no documentation indicating that this is the case. In fact, the template page lists country as only being for numbered routes. I noticed this on the of the Sunset Blvd page. The person added the infobox with a map. It shows a glaring Script Error text. Since Sunset Blvd isn't a numbered route, there should be no need for a country and state. Including these params adds the section on highways in California, which Sunset Blvd obviously is not.

The backing module specifically mentions that country is required for maps. It seems like a strange requirement. Is this supposed to be the case? If it is, that should probably be mentioned on the template page. ] (] &#124; ]) 18:58, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
:] should be on later tonight and can take a look at it then. --''']]]''' 19:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
::{{done}} it has been fixed. --''']]]''' 07:14, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

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== question ==

Sorry about joining the sockpuppet investigations channel with the nick sockpuppet, as given I'm new to Misplaced Pages IRC, I didn't realize harmless self humor such as that would constitute a ban from the channel. Are all Misplaced Pages IRC channels like that in the way of a serious nature?--] (]) 03:07, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
:As you're an established user I'll go ahead and unban - we regularly have sockers come into the channel and troll around, so that nick was immediately suspect. --''']]]''' 03:10, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
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== Wikiproject California tagging ==

I believe you are incorrect; i have cited policy for WikiProject tagging in my edit summaries. if you revert my edits, then to my understanding of policy, you are being disruptive. Please read the relevant policy, which i have linked to ]. Note this is a '''highlighted policy point''' (which i did not contribute to). I understand how you feel about the Cal roads project (which is obviously an incredibly well organized project, with great results), but its a project, which is a social construct, and i am stating, as an active member of WikiProject California/SFBA task force, that roads which lie entirely within the state of california are to be included in the California Wikiproject and its task forces. I have removed task forces where the road goes through more than that task forces scope, such as california 1, as that seems like excessive tagging (which i am happy to discuss with members of the cali project if they disagree). In case you are curious, i am not doing this to increase the number of GA/FA articles at the cali projects, as i have probably added about 1,000 stub articles to the project, which doesnt help it look better. I am interested in making sure the California and in particular the sfba wikiprojects are reasonably complete, which doesnt affect the work of other projects in the slightest. I wont revert your reverts, but i may bring any reverts up at ANI, for clarification.] (]) 03:28, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
:That is a guideline, not a policy. Secondly, the RFC that was mentioned was specifically scoped towards BLP matters, which highways are not a part of. So that guideline is not based on actual consensus. Finally, I am really curious as to why you suddenly want these articles tagged in your project so badly - out of the four articles you retagged, your only edit to any of them was adding a portal tag here . --''']]]''' 03:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
::The guideline i cited, while it does come out of a discussion of blp issues initially, is not stated as applying only to blp. The summary of the cited discussion includes the following: '''a WikiProject tag identified that an article was within the interest of a group of editors rather than categorizing the article as belonging to a topic field; removing such tags without consensus of the involved WikiProject(s) was seen as unhelpful'''. I am interested in these articles, and they unambiguously fall under the scope of the cali and/or the sfba projects. I want them tagged as part of these wikiprojects because they are part of the wikiproject. they are in no way tangential, and i periodically review the template of all the articles for discrepancies like unassessed articles, or to see if, say, the group of GA articles have an accurate importance rating, or the group of high importance articles have an accurate class rating (and yes, i do actually edit articles to bring up their rating). You claim that i am tagging excessively. the guidelines say that for "excessively" tagged talk pages, use the banner shell so the talk page is less cluttered. I have been doing that. 2 project tags is not excessive, and the definition of truly excessive relates to how tangential the topic is to the project. I would like to know why you are so determined to not allow any other editors to recognize highway articles as part of any other project? the Cypress Structure and its destruction are a very important part of the history of the bay area. Are you saying that if i am not actively editing the hiway articles, i cant recognize them as part of a project? maybe the 9,000 articles i have not edited should be removed from the SFBA task force, or maybe the whole task force should be shut down because there is no current collaborative project there. I have been staying away from any editing of the hiway articles out of fear that my edits will be dismissed. I dont even want to try to suggest edits on the talk page. As far as i can tell, you or the task force you are working on own these articles. I thought if i cited a policy or guideline, i could at least show that they can be legitimately tagged, for completions sake. I now see that there is probably no way to show you that what i am trying to do is entirely reasonable, as you have never acknowledged that any of my points are at all valid. would it help if i pointed out that the San Francisco Bay falls into Wikiproject Oceans (yes, i just added it, i doubt that project will find my addition disruptive), or that the golden gate bridge falls into wikiproject bridges, or that harvey milk falls under wikiproject biography? I dont think any of those articles are overtagged for being in sfba and another project. You have commented on your user page about the relative health of wp. just understand, your status as an admin, your absolute conviction that you are correct, your dismissal of my concerns, make it clear to me that unless something changes in the admin process, i could not possibly consider taking on any sort of admin role, despite having a pretty good edit history (57,000 edits, most of course being somewhat minor), and some familiarity with a lot of the policies and guidelines, and editing practices. I have a pretty good feeling that my postings to your talk page would somehow get me barred as an administrator. so be it. you win. I will drop this whole matter now, as its too painful for me, and why should i be involved in anything here which causes me pain? I will probably not respond again here (and definitely not with any feeling, only noncontroversial comments), and I will NOT take this to ANI, or try to work on the hiway articles or retag them. If someone else ever wants to address this, i might join them, but i wont take any initiative any longer. good bye and good luck, and thanks for your hard work on wp.] (]) 23:26, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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== Status ==

All OK. --''']]]''' 22:52, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

== FOR MY REQUESTES ==

I have already stop using the account chihonglee and I have already stoped requesting permissions on other wikis, only on wikiversity. Also, every time I request for the permission, you also opposite for the same reason, so do you mean that I will not get any permission for ever?--] (]) 07:48, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
:Please see my response on beta.wikiversity. --''']]]''' 07:52, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Rschen7754, I believe you are either a checkuser or clerk? Could you have a look at the ] and advise if anything is missing to go to next stage? I only ask since there are RMs ticking on that TenMuses precipated. Many thanks. ] (]) 04:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
:The problem is that clerks are reluctant to endorse that because by now the SPI has gotten very difficult to follow, and CUs are reluctant to look at it either since the clerks haven't endorsed it. If someone could leave a concise summary of why CU is justified, it may help. --''']]]''' 04:16, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks. I can't really see how it is difficult to follow, Cuchullain's presentation is very clearly set out and concentrates on the main sock activity. My fear is that any attempt to summarize will just result in another display of misdirection from the sockmaster. However I've noted your advice to Cuchullain. Thanks. ] (]) 04:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Hi, . ] (]) 01:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
::::I think is the recap In ictu means. Cheers,--] ]/] 13:11, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== Advice on SP hunting ==

Hello Rschen. As an experienced SPI clerk, I wonder if you might offer some advice. I re-opened ] yesterday, after noticing his latest SP while doing NPP. The promotional tone of the article prompted me to look at the log, which showed that it had recently been deleted G5. But it would be tedious to do this for every new article I look at. How can a non-admin look for articles that have previously been speedied G5? Is there a log of G5'd articles somewhere, that isn't admin-only? Parsing user CSD logs one by one would be impractical, but if there were a central log, then I could write a SP hunting app, or add a feature to an existing utility. There are plenty of anti-vandalism tools, but no tools for sniffing out evidence of potential SPs that I can find. Thanks, ] (]) 09:01, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:Except for ] there really isn't any unfortunately. :( --''']]]''' 09:03, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
::Hm, but I've only just noticed that the deletion log is searchable. A more general-purpose gadget to search the deletion log would be useful not just for SP hunting, but for detecting vandalism as well. I'll have a dig to see if that's already a feature in an existing utility, otherwise I'll try to write one myself. Thanks, ] (]) 09:41, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

== template ==

The template was full of errors - don't you actually look at what you produce? There was a big red error message. Further, it has references to google which are not within ]. I toyed with the idea of {{tl|db-g1}} first ] (]) mytime= Tue 12:53, wikitime= 11:53, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:It may have looked broken (which it wasn't), and even if it was it's still not a test! We don't throw out articles just because they suck. And Google '''Maps''' is a RS when used properly. --''']]]''' 11:55, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

If it's not broken, why is it still sitting on ]? Why don't you use your sandbox correctly, write a template correctly, instead of puting live tosh like this which '''has been broken more than one day''' (and is still there)? Use your time productively rather than bleat about other people who do. Why don't you pay attention to error messages? ] (]) mytime= Wed 10:17, wikitime= 09:17, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:Hey, I didn't write the template. And I have 6 FAs, so I'd say that I use it productively. --''']]]''' 09:18, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

::It would have helped just to state the lack of references was causing categorisation errors. Rather than state the template itself was a "test" or "patent nonsense" (using the CSD terms), which it clearly was not. Using an unexplained CSD template to highlight the issue you have now explained is a little confusing, I cant guess your specific concerns if they arent stipulated as part of the deletion template, and when I contacted you, it wasnt elaborated on. Rschen directed me to your concerns here, and they have been fixed within minutes of him telling me about them. :) -- ] (]) 09:39, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

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== Q re DanielTom sockpuppet reference ==


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It's not clear to me which specific account is being called a sockpuppet of User:DanielTom. Could you clarify for me please. Thank you. ] (]) 22:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
:That tag indicates that the account is the master account, and links to the cases so you can see the sockpuppets. --''']]]''' 22:38, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, it's all very confusing (probably I'm not familiar enough with this area). I've looked at the link locations and it isn't clear to me. What usernames are confirmed sockpuppets of User:DanielTom? (Could you just list them for me here?) Thanks. ] (]) 00:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC) p.s. Are these it? (Are these being called "confirmed sockpuppets"?): User:193.136.31.120, User:Daniel Tomé, User:Diogotome. Thank u. ] (]) 00:36, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:::You can look at the SPI investigation to see the confirmed sockpuppets. --''']]]''' 01:15, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
::::I already told you I'm reading it but not confident I'm understanding it. I've asked you for simple confirmation here. (Won't you help me. What is your problem responding directly to my Q?) ] (]) 01:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


I resign as administrator and editor of the English Misplaced Pages. After 18 years, it has become clear to me that there are significant disagreements between where this site is going and where I believe it needs to go. Considering that I need to be spending less time on Misplaced Pages due to a career and personal life, it seems better to part ways and move on. I thank those that I have worked with and wish them the best. ''']]]''' 00:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
::::Q2. DanielTom requested a rename process on his username on March 23rd . From User:Daniel Tomé to User:DanielTom. In light of that, how appropriate (or misleading) is it at this point to call that User:Daniel Tomé is a "confirmed sockpuppet" of User:DanielTom? (That seems incorrect and misleading to me. But again I'm not certain User:Daniel Tomé has been declared a "confirmed sockpuppet" on the investigation page, as mentioned, since I'm finding the data there confusing to interpret. But the userpage has a tag stating "is a sockpuppet of", so it seems so. I'm asking you to help me know what is fact and what is not. I'm expecting you to help with my Qs and not just refer me to other places that I've already informed you are confusing me. My questions here have been very clear & simple. What is the problem Rschen?) ] (]) 01:55, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
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:::::At the bottom, it says what the three confirmed socks are. The rest may or may not have been used by DT; we simply don't know. --''']]]''' 01:57, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:Very sorry to see this, and wish you all the best - <b>]</b> 00:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
::::::At the bottom of ''what''? If I found what you're referring to, I copy/pasted those three names above in this thread with you. (If that's correct, what is stopping you from saying: "Yes, those are it."???) And when you are referring to "the rest", I really don't know which usernames that refers to, or where to find them. (But, I don't need to know that. I just want to know and be sure of which usernames have been concluded to be "confirmed sockpuppets of User:DanielTom".) Q2. ''If'' User:Daniel Tomé has been concluded to be a confirmed sockpuppet of User:DanielTom, what is the logic in that since as already demonstrated above DanielTom made a public request for the name-change?? (I have no interest to irritate you, Rschen. I'm just looking for facts and understanding, ok?) ] (]) 02:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:Curious what "there are significant disagreements between where this site is going and where I believe it needs to go" really boils down to. Are you comfortable elaborating (here or in email)? <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 09:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Well yeah, and then you posted all over the place when you didn't particularly like my answer, so yes I am a little bit irritated. Please see ], which you must certainly be aware of since you've already posted there too. --''']]]''' 02:42, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
::I would point to the links on my page, and also immediately above this discussion. --''']]]''' 15:51, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
::::::::Rschen, I wasn't getting any direct answers to direct, simple, and clear questions to you, and you know it. (So, do you think I would continue banging my head against your wall of unhelpfulness (your Talk) forever? This is not a game, Rschen, but your choice to be obtuse seems like you think it is. You've wasted my time here totally. ] (]) 00:34, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
:::Got it, and I've read it all. Interesting stuff, and I can see the reasons for the fork. Good luck with that project! I've long thought that more specialized information would lead to a profusion of other wikis. While this has mostly happened with pop-culture topics over at Fandom (ex-Wikia), it's nice to see it start happening for the nitty-gritty details of less trivial topics. Hopefully some of your work over there can still translate into "encyclopedically compressed" improvements over here, too. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] 😼 </span> 05:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::I pointed you to where you could get the information. It's not my job to read the SPI to you. And I'm closing this thread. --''']]]''' 01:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
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:Saw this on BN. Thank you for all of your work and enjoy real life. ] <small>]/]</small> 18:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
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:I'm late to the party but best of luck with whatever you pursue in the future, I hope we'll cross paths again eventually! ] (]) 06:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
:: Oh man! Likewise, but I'm truly excited about the new roads being travelled & would love to chat about that sometime. All warmth, <span style="color:#666">&ndash;&nbsp;]]</span> 17:06, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
:Hello, Rschen7754,
:I'm also late to hearing this news. Thank you for all that you have contributed over 18 years, it's been invaluable. Good luck with whatever you decide to spend your time on, those folks will be lucky! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 02:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
:Rschen, did not know you that well, but I did like what I saw of you and I hate to see good people not stay with us and keep up the good fight. Best Wishes. <span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 3px lightblue">]<sup>'''537'''<sub>]</sub> (]|])</sup></span> 06:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)


== Question about block evaders == == cut it out ==


You and others left to form your own project elsewhere. That's all fine, but your group already used your last newsletter to canvass people to the new project, and you got away with that. Coming back and doing it again is really pushing it, and in case you didn't notice all those edits have been reverted. This is obvious ] behavior and if it happens again you can expect a block for it. ] ] 20:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Since you’ve just blocked the user that prompted me to ask ] about dealing with block evasion, I was wondering if you might be able to answer it. Thanks. —] (]) 20:30, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
:{{ping|Just Step Sideways}} I am afraid that this sort of threatening behavior (reminds me of a ] ) says more about this project than us, and ]. If this community is chasing editors away (that we have worked with for several years), then I would consider it courteous to let us diplomatically present an alternative (notably, for the rest of the world that was not in scope in 2023) and amicably let those editors part ways, rather than you having to do it yourselves. Just a thought. --''']]]''' 20:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:Should go to ] generally. --''']]]''' 20:32, 12 June 2013 (UTC)
::Misplaced Pages is not the place to advertise your project. You were active here more than long enough to be perfectly aware of this. This is a simple matter of policy and nothing else. ] ] 21:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
:::This sort of behavior goes against the spirit of ]. And no, there seems to be some decision on what policies to selectively enforce, and methods to enforce them going on here. --''']]]''' 21:17, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
::::Feel free to complain to the office then, I don't work for them, I'm just a lowly volunteer admin going by what our local policy actually is. ] ] 21:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

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Resignation

I resign as administrator and editor of the English Misplaced Pages. After 18 years, it has become clear to me that there are significant disagreements between where this site is going and where I believe it needs to go. Considering that I need to be spending less time on Misplaced Pages due to a career and personal life, it seems better to part ways and move on. I thank those that I have worked with and wish them the best. Rschen7754 00:00, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Very sorry to see this, and wish you all the best - jc37 00:57, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Curious what "there are significant disagreements between where this site is going and where I believe it needs to go" really boils down to. Are you comfortable elaborating (here or in email)?  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:33, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
I would point to the links on my page, and also immediately above this discussion. --Rschen7754 15:51, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
Got it, and I've read it all. Interesting stuff, and I can see the reasons for the fork. Good luck with that project! I've long thought that more specialized information would lead to a profusion of other wikis. While this has mostly happened with pop-culture topics over at Fandom (ex-Wikia), it's nice to see it start happening for the nitty-gritty details of less trivial topics. Hopefully some of your work over there can still translate into "encyclopedically compressed" improvements over here, too.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
Thank you for all your good work over the years Andre🚐 16:50, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
Saw this on BN. Thank you for all of your work and enjoy real life. CLYDE /STUFF DONE 18:42, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
I'm late to the party but best of luck with whatever you pursue in the future, I hope we'll cross paths again eventually! Legoktm (talk) 06:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Oh man! Likewise, but I'm truly excited about the new roads being travelled & would love to chat about that sometime. All warmth, – SJ + 17:06, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Rschen7754,
I'm also late to hearing this news. Thank you for all that you have contributed over 18 years, it's been invaluable. Good luck with whatever you decide to spend your time on, those folks will be lucky! Liz 02:48, 13 October 2023 (UTC)
Rschen, did not know you that well, but I did like what I saw of you and I hate to see good people not stay with us and keep up the good fight. Best Wishes. Huggums 06:12, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

cut it out

You and others left to form your own project elsewhere. That's all fine, but your group already used your last newsletter to canvass people to the new project, and you got away with that. Coming back and doing it again is really pushing it, and in case you didn't notice all those edits have been reverted. This is obvious WP:POINT behavior and if it happens again you can expect a block for it. Just Step Sideways 20:35, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Just Step Sideways: I am afraid that this sort of threatening behavior (reminds me of a certain social media platform ) says more about this project than us, and might backfire. If this community is chasing editors away (that we have worked with for several years), then I would consider it courteous to let us diplomatically present an alternative (notably, for the rest of the world that was not in scope in 2023) and amicably let those editors part ways, rather than you having to do it yourselves. Just a thought. --Rschen7754 20:48, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages is not the place to advertise your project. You were active here more than long enough to be perfectly aware of this. This is a simple matter of policy and nothing else. Just Step Sideways 21:07, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
This sort of behavior goes against the spirit of foundation:Resolution:Wikimedia Foundation Guiding Principles#Freedom and open source. And no, there seems to be some decision on what policies to selectively enforce, and methods to enforce them going on here. --Rschen7754 21:17, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Feel free to complain to the office then, I don't work for them, I'm just a lowly volunteer admin going by what our local policy actually is. Just Step Sideways 21:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
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