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== Deputies ==
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I would like to propose that Flemish deputies is changed to envoys within the article. I know that many sources use 'deputies', but envoys avoids misunderstanding that are from a parliament or that they are deputizing. Envoy would be an acceptable translation from deputé in the original French vocal score (http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP24581-PMLP55451-Verdi_-_Don_Carlos__ed.francese_Escudier_1867__bw.pdf). ] (]) 19:19, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
I propose that ] be removed and replaced with ]. Our traditional navbox is more useful and non-obtrusive, while this new Infobox opera is distracting and adds no information that is not already and better presented in the lead. --] (]) 02:31, 7 July 2013 (UTC)


:Well, it's interesting looking at the literature. Both Parker (in Sadie) and Budden, Vol. 3 use "Deputies" in the list of characters. Charles Osborne's "The Complete Operas of Verdi" uses both "deputation" and "envoys" in his description of Act 3, Sc. 2: "The King descends the cathedral steps to join the procession, a deputation from Flanders, led by Carlo, appears. The envoys kneel before Philip...." (p. 356). In the libretto accompanying the Giulini/Domingo/Caballe etc. CDs when they sing, the group is named (in the English ext) as "Deputies" but alongside it in the French text column it is "Les Envoyés".
*'''Support restoration''' as a long-term contributor to this article dating back to 2005. Once again this infobox is problematic with regard to genre. Gerda Arendt should have proposed the infobox here first before taking any action, as she knows perfectly well the use of ''this particular box'' is controversial and prone to inaccuracy. --'']]'' 02:48, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

:To the extent that the Flemish group act as envoys from Flanders to present a case to the King, the use of that term makes sense. ] (]) 21:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

::Thank you - I did check first to see that someone uses the word (I found Osborne) before putting my first comment, although it is not the most commonly used. ] (]) 21:30, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

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== Cimbasso? ==

I can only vouch for the French version, but that score calls for an ], not a cimbasso... -- ] (]) 14:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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In the opera world, everybody calls this "Don Carlo." Don Carlos is the English translation. Would the article about "La Boheme" properly be entitled "The Bohemian"? ] (]) 17:59, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
:It has perhaps escaped your attention that the original French version was called "Don Carlos", and this is typically used by ]. ] (]) 01:24, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
: I added the Italian name to the lead. Please check out the archive of this talk, where the question came up in 2006. I wonder how to clarify in the infobox that there are two versions, in different languages. I'd go for a second infobox for the Italian, as about all values would be different. Compare ]. --] (]) 09:33, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
::Looks to me like a classic case where its best to have no infobox at all! ] (]) 11:46, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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Deputies

I would like to propose that Flemish deputies is changed to envoys within the article. I know that many sources use 'deputies', but envoys avoids misunderstanding that are from a parliament or that they are deputizing. Envoy would be an acceptable translation from deputé in the original French vocal score (http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/4/41/IMSLP24581-PMLP55451-Verdi_-_Don_Carlos__ed.francese_Escudier_1867__bw.pdf). Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 19:19, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's interesting looking at the literature. Both Parker (in Sadie) and Budden, Vol. 3 use "Deputies" in the list of characters. Charles Osborne's "The Complete Operas of Verdi" uses both "deputation" and "envoys" in his description of Act 3, Sc. 2: "The King descends the cathedral steps to join the procession, a deputation from Flanders, led by Carlo, appears. The envoys kneel before Philip...." (p. 356). In the libretto accompanying the Giulini/Domingo/Caballe etc. CDs when they sing, the group is named (in the English ext) as "Deputies" but alongside it in the French text column it is "Les Envoyés".
To the extent that the Flemish group act as envoys from Flanders to present a case to the King, the use of that term makes sense. Viva-Verdi (talk) 21:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you - I did check first to see that someone uses the word (I found Osborne) before putting my first comment, although it is not the most commonly used. Cg2p0B0u8m (talk) 21:30, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Your Doncorlos page is wrong here Iam Doncorlos patner of our country Sidddra 19:22, 2 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sidra Memon memon (talk • contribs)

Cimbasso?

I can only vouch for the French version, but that score calls for an Ophicleide, not a cimbasso... -- megA (talk) 14:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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In the opera world, everybody calls this "Don Carlo." Don Carlos is the English translation. Would the article about "La Boheme" properly be entitled "The Bohemian"? PaulAlanLevy (talk) 17:59, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

It has perhaps escaped your attention that the original French version was called "Don Carlos", and this is typically used by WP:RS. Johnbod (talk) 01:24, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
I added the Italian name to the lead. Please check out the archive of this talk, where the question came up in 2006. I wonder how to clarify in the infobox that there are two versions, in different languages. I'd go for a second infobox for the Italian, as about all values would be different. Compare Ein feste Burg. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:33, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Looks to me like a classic case where its best to have no infobox at all! Johnbod (talk) 11:46, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

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Picture of the day Don Carlos An 1884 illustration by Carlo Cornaglia of the Milan premiere of Don Carlos. This grand opera, composed by Giuseppe Verdi to a French-language libretto by Joseph Méry and Camille du Locle, is adapted from Friedrich Schiller's dramatic play Don Carlos and tells the conflicts of Carlos, Prince of Asturias (1545–1568). First performed in 1867, the opera exists in numerous versions, the longest of which lasts four hours.Illustration: Carlo Cornaglia; Engraving: Giuseppe Barberis; restoration: Adam Cuerden Archive – More featured pictures... Categories: