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	== Template:Protected Areas of Colorado ==

	I'm don't think the National Monuments in Colorado need to be divided by federal agency. Users who don't work for the government could care less.

	BTW, we both qualify for ]. ] 19:16, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
	:Well, I disagree that those who don't work for the government don't care - the rules are often different. For example, , whereas National Park Service-managed national monuments fall under the Organic Act and forbid hunting. I'm not married to the solution I happened upon, but I think it's important to help Misplaced Pages users understand that different sites have different managers.
	:How about a parenthetical after each unit - "] (USFS)", for example? It would avoid the box-stack proliferation (which I recognize is a problem) while still identifying the management. ] (]) 19:41, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
	::I think that works fine. ] 20:06, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Cool beans. And yeah, heh, I'm just another mooching taker... ] (]) 20:17, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

	==hi==

	it is political and wikipedia is encyclopedia. we do not comment prices and make such comparisons. the sources are written on a blog.

	== Sorry ==

	I won't do it again. I'm very sorry. Sorry again. --] (]) 07:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

	== Thanks much ==

	Thanks much for your helpful contributions to the new page, '']''. Much appreciated, — ''']''' (]) 21:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
	:No problem. ] (]) 22:53, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

	I was "warned" by this user as well for stating a fact. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 04:34, 23 May 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== That wasnt vandalism ==

	That wasn't vandalism. I was simply stating a fact. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:40, 16 May 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== kleck ==

	Are you the IP that I reverted?

	In either case, could I ask you to slow down your edits a bit, I agree with many (most) of them, but it makes it difficult to review what is going on with such massive unilateral change. Particularly for the "criticism" changes you made where you removed Klecks response, I think those should go through some consensus building on the talk page.

	Frankly, "criticism" sections are frowned upon generally, but I think it makes sense in this article, but forcing the responses to specific criticisms to be far away from where that criticism was discussed seems counter productive.

	That said, Klecks responses should be tweaked to be a bit less pointed and argumentative. (Part of the problem is that kleck himself made those edits, so we need to adjust for wiki-tone)

	] (]) 22:02, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	:So the first thing you do when you meet another editor is to accuse them of being a sockpuppet? That's a little... odd. ], maybe?
	:I saw this page go by in my RC feed, was about to revert the same thing you did - but I decided that the IP editor made a huge number of good points w/r/t the text. The previous version literally read as if everything that Kleck said was true and that all of his critics are proven wrong. That is not remotely ]. His critics have made claims, he has made counter-claims. We cannot decide which is true, or which is "logical." ] (]) 22:05, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

	::Sorry, I was not accusing you of being a sockpuppet. I was just trying to make sure I understood what was going on. (I was actually going to follow up with suggesting you had an admin revdel the IP edit if it was you in case you had accidentally edited while logged out).

	::I agree we have to fix some of Klecks POV issues, and that we cannot decide the truth - I was just suggesting that the speed of change was perhaps a bit high, and that some of the bigger changes could use a discussion. ] applies, but I dont want to revert the whole set, because many/most of the edits are great! ] (]) 22:09, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::Mention on the talk page which changes you have a problem with, and we'll go from there. The issue is that if we're going to have separate subsections for "criticism" and "response to criticism," then it doesn't make sense to have Kleck's responses in both subsections. The "response" is already the same length as the criticism. That's unnecessarily duplicative. Perhaps it would be best if we ditched the subsections and melded them together - would probably flow better, too. ] (]) 22:12, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

	::::Agree they should only be one place or another. Im probably ok either way, but I do think if we are removing a response from the criticism section, it should be added into the response section, unless its obviously not worthy. However, doing that may mean the sections need to be much longer, because we would have to identify which particular criticism each response was intended for, which could be very cumbersome. Keeping the argument and counterargument together would avoid that problem, and also maybe provide a coherent neutral view of each issue to the reader. (especially on a controversial topic like this where maybe people would be inclined to only read the section they agree with) ] (]) 22:19, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	:::::My intention was that the only things I removed entirely from the "response" were either tagged as unsourced/original research or were basically duplicated in the "response" section - but if I made an error and removed something that wasn't, please feel free to put it back because that was unintentional. ] (]) 22:21, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
	{{od}} if they are duplicative, removing is fine. I didn't read each change close enough compared to the rest of the article to know that or not, I just saw content go away that I thought had some redeeming value. If that value is elsewhere - fine( based on this, you may probably ignore my response on the article talk). I am heading home now, and have a baby to take care of when I get there, so I may not be able to respond or collaborate as quickly for the remainder of the evening. Sorry for asking you to build consensus and then step out :) I would still ask that you give some of the changes time, this isn't a very active article, and the stuff has been here for a while, we have ] :)] (]) 22:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

	== Nah, no hard feelings ==

	No hard feelings on the AfD nomination. I had sort of borderline issues with it myself, so I figured it might get nominated since everything is relatively recent. Whether it gets deleted or not, would you mind going through the article and helping with a clean? I'm not overly familiar with writing articles on crimes. I've done some and I've written some where I was the only contributor, but I'm not very savvy on how to write it without it sounding like an Ann Rule book. I want to userfy it if it doesn't survive AfD, so if it does end up gaining 110% notability in the future then I'll have a cleaned up copy to pull from. ]] 07:06, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

	== problematic deletions ==

	See that is problematic, because now we have unsourced criminal claims, which editor #3 will walk in and then delete. Blogs may be less than ideal, but when a country's press operates under a ] system, we as outsiders have to go the next step down. but anyway, i got some other business, so maybe some other editors will step in. I will repeat this under the article's talk page purely for informational retrievle reasons. -] (]) 20:42, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
	:"Sexmenu.info" is never a reliable source for anything under any circumstances. ] (]) 20:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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	You recently declined my submission for http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Choose_New_Jersey. Could you elaborate on what areas I need to modify to make it more neutral? Thanks!
	] (]) 13:57, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
	:I guess I'll start with the lede:
	:''Choose New Jersey, Inc. is an independently funded and operated 501(c)(3) nonprofit corporation, created by a collection of New Jersey corporations to position the state as a leader in the global marketplace. The organization’s mission is to encourage and nurture economic growth throughout New Jersey, including a focus on making the state’s most distressed cities engines for growth and opportunity.''
	::So... basically what you're saying is that it's an ] organization that encourages businesses to locate in New Jersey? Then just say that. Don't take 50 words to say what 10 would.
	:''Choose New Jersey executes a highly targeted and research-based lead generation and marketing campaign directed at CEOs, site selectors and other decision makers...''
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	I can not see the article on the main page, within DYK section.--] (]) 08:20, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
	:It's not there yet, but it will be... it's queued up. ] (]) 08:21, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
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	There appears to be a technical glitch as this article has not appeared in DYK que nor in the talk pages of its authors except ]. Kindly check.--''']'''. 12:32, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

	I can see why. , no credits listed in the DYK make templating. The reason was because it had five editors and it won't allow for five different credits. ♦ ] 12:37, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
	:I was wondering why too and was about to ask.☯ ] '''\(^_^)/''' ''']''' ☯ 12:31, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

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	== Wendy Zavaleta ==

	True, but as IMDB was there I was not happy to delete as a truly 'unreferenced' biography. This does not stop you taking it to normal PROD, or AFD. Regards, ]] 10:01, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

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	== Eagle MkIII ==

	I can provide some assistance and an outside opinion for helping to improve the article to GA. I don't have a lot of knowledge on the MkIII specifically, but I'm sure I can dig up some additional information online. I also have some photos of the Daytona-winning MkIII that I can upload, even though they are not of the best quality.

	I will however say that my ability to work on it and get back to you will vary based on my own personal work offline, but I will try to be quick to respond. ] (]) 06:13, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
	:Sure, there's no hurry. ]. I'll be glad for anything you can contribute. Thanks! ] (]) 06:15, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
	::Just a bit of an update, I've uploaded a handful of pictures I took at the Rolex 24 the past couple of years of the Eagle MkIII, as well as the Intrepid RM-1. They are in the Commons categories for each vehicle. I'll still have to look through the MkIII article when I get time, but the only thing I notice so far is that the racing history section seems a bit brief, considering it is arguably the most important aspect of the car. ] (]) 04:39, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
	:::Yeah, that section is definitely first on the to-do list. I have all the results and sources I need, just have to get around to writing it up. ] (]) 04:51, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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	Hi. We're going to need a page number for current ref #12 from Zimmerman's book about Dan Gurney's Eagle. Can you supply? --] (]) 20:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
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	== Dragging through the mud ==

	Mentioning the employer of that admitted whistleblower DOES besmirch the company -- I know it does because I work for the company and I feel besmirched to have MY COMPANY mentioned in connection with the whistleblower. Obviously you tree hugging liberals (as you proudly admit to being called) who don't work for that company would not understand. Just don't go around with your pansy-wansy name dragging buddy. Don't piss on my roof and tell me its raining. I know what dragging through the mud feels like. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:19, 10 June 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:The fact that you don't like a fact does not make that fact, which has been widely reported and is known worldwide, unencyclopedic. ] (]) 00:55, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

	Repeating a fact that is irrelevant to the story does not make it relevant! That's just the fallacy of giving relevancy through repetition. Just wait until someone at your company does something --- You'll find out. If you ever get a job. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 04:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:It's not exactly irrelevant to the story to document how he got the information. But go ahead, try removing it, I won't revert you anymore. You'll just be reverted by '''everyone else who edits the article''' for the exact same reason. And I have a job, thanks. ] (]) 04:25, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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	We tripped over one another while I was back-checking the refs for the Pollard material. I'll stop editing for a time, to let others hack away at our work. I agree with your change of headings. I've made sure everything from the top through the Pollard section has the right source for the right facts, with the exception of two grafs I hadn't had time to get to. I'll resume my work tomorropw or later this week.

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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello NorthBySouthBaranof,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

Suggestions:

There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
Reminder: an article should not be tagged for any kind of deletion for a minimum of 15 minutes after creation and it is often appropriate to wait an hour or more. (from the NPP tutorial)
Reviewers should focus their effort where it can do the most good, reviewing articles. Other clean-up tasks that don't require advanced permissions can be left to other editors that routinely improve articles in these ways (creating Talk Pages, specifying projects and ratings, adding categories, etc.) Let's rely on others when it makes the most sense. On the other hand, if you enjoy doing these tasks while reviewing and it keeps you engaged with NPP (or are guiding a newcomer), then by all means continue.
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Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

Reminders

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello NorthBySouthBaranof,

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

Reminders

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There is live chat with patrollers on the New Page Patrol Discord.
Please add the project discussion page to your watchlist.
If you no longer wish to be a reviewer, please ask any admin to remove you from the group. If you want the tools back again, just ask at PERM.
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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello NorthBySouthBaranof,

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

Reminders

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New pages patrol January 2025 Backlog drive

January 2025 Backlog Drive \| New pages patrol
On 1 January 2025, a one-month backlog drive for new pages patrol will begin in hopes of addressing the growing backlog. Barnstars will be awarded based on the number of articles and redirects patrolled. Each article review will earn 1 point, while each redirect review will earn 0.2 points. Streak awards will be given out based on consistently hitting point thresholds for each week of the drive. Barnstars will also be granted for re-reviewing articles previously reviewed by other patrollers during the drive. Interested in taking part? Sign up here.
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