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Hello. I don't understand what did I do wrong on my last edit on ]. Can you give me an explication? ] (]) 07:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the support in clearing up this article. In case it's not obvious, I try and go for getting one article up to ] a month, and I think this is my next target. I'm a semi-pro musician doing about 50-60 shows a year and the Hammond has been my keyboard instrument of choice for decades (although these days I use a ]). I've got a few books to source and a lot of copyediting, but hopefully it'll be in good shape shortly. If you're interested in helping out, let me know. ] ] ] 16:57, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
:You added influences with no references. ] (]) 13:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)


== Greenwood ==
:Yes, I would like to help out. It's good to see actual references and cited text replace original research and patchwork editing.
:I would like to offer my services as GAN reviewer, but the instructions say that a reviewer must not have made significant edits to the article. I have edited it many times ''to remove poor text and images'' but never to add significant text or images. I don't know for sure whether this frequent removal activity of mine counts as "significant", but a conservative reading of the rules would have me refrain from reviewing. Instead, I can do a thorough peer review, especially if you take the article to ] to start a formal review. ] (]) 17:27, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


Hi, Could you please explain why you remove my edit? ] (]) 19:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
::Well I'm slowly working my way through Vail's book, which is the definitive source for this. Next job is to convert all the model lists to prose, which I can do from that source, plus a quick scan through Google Books for a second opinion (though for early pre B3 models, that might be difficult). Hopefully a couple of evening's work will get it in shape for GA in about a week or two. We can revisit the question of whether you're okay to review it on ] when we're in that state - right now, it's still nowhere near there yet, although the bits I've done (which should be obvious as they've got lots of sources in them) should be better. ] ] ] 18:22, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


== KB edit ==
:::], I blew through the article to tweak wording and make little MOS changes. I think because of its subject the article should be in US English spelling as well as US date style (dmy). It feels pretty complete—I have nothing to say about what might be missing from the article. Great work! ] (]) 21:36, 3 August 2013 (UTC)


Hi! I noticed that you reverted my edits for the wiki page of Kathryn Bernardo. I overhauled the whole page as there are too many unnecessary info and clutter. I also corrected a lot of grammatical errors which I think devalues the page.
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If you will compare my edit from the previous one, it is a big improvement as it is more coherent and concise. I also added present vital info as there are a lot that has been missed. If I may, I will revert my edits on that page as it took me hours to finish it. Rest assured that no critical info has been removed. Thank you. ] (]) 14:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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:Whatever improvements you have planned for the biography, don't remove existing citations. The biography is supposed to be a summary of published material, and the citations represent that material. ] (]) 14:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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::I will restore the sources on the previous edit. Thanks. ] (]) 14:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::Can I revert back my edit and restore back the sources previously present? I want to avoid edit warring so I'll ask for your permission. ] (]) 14:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:::You can copy the article into your userspace and work on it there. Your userspace sandbox would be at ]. ] (]) 14:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::::This is noted. All citations previously removed were restored. Page now grew to 77 references. Thanks. ] (]) 14:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for keeping so many of the previous citations. ] (]) 15:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

== Please add "progressive soul" back to the Isley Brothers article ==

] (]) 23:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, it's in the source you linked, but they say the group "dabbled" in it, which is not a wholehearted assertion of genre.
:In any case, the genre "progressive soul" must be discussed in the article body before it can be listed in the infobox. ] (]) 23:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::Then add it to the body. ] (]) 00:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::Robert Christgau also referred to the Isleys as a progressive soul group . ] (]) 00:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

== Shane McRae edits ==

Hello I saw you reversed my edits on the Misplaced Pages pages for Shane McRae and Bad Teacher crediting him for a minor role in the unrated version of the film. I assume this is because he’s not credited on IMDB so I didn’t provide a source, but I actually looked at his page again and saw photo still of him from the film from the scene in the unrated version of the film. Is this enough source to add the film to his page and the credits section of the Bad Teacher page? ] (]) 15:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

:Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a summary of published facts. If the fact hasn't been published, it is not for Misplaced Pages. We are not here to figure out all the missed stuff and make sure it gets in. ] (]) 22:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

== You've Got To Hide Your Love Away ==

I've undone your removal of the Beach Boys' cover from the "cover versions" section as they did do a cover of this song, on a top 10 charting album, and there are citations provided which confirm this. There was no good reason to remove this info. ] (]) 18:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

:] is the good reason. The cover version doesn't get a boost from being on a Top 10 album; it has to be judged on its own merit. At the bare minimum, the cover version should be described as extraordinary by the media. Any charting cover version is certainly included. ] (]) 22:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::Maybe if we were talking about a less notable group, but it seems to me that the fact that specifically The Beach Boys - being the most successful American band (of the decade and possibly of all time) and specifically in 1965 at the peak of their popularity and much-ballyhooed rivalry with The Beatles - recorded and released a cover of a Beatles song on an album that went to #6 in the US and #3 in the UK is noteworthy enough to warrant a sentence's mention on the song's page. It feels like a glaring enough omission NOT to include it that while reading this page I went "oh wow why isn't that here? I'll be a diligent Misplaced Pages user and add it." But since that's not enough for you (and apparently you're the ultimate arbiter here?) it was also released as a single in Japan in 1966 and here are two reviews which mention it as a standout track on the album and HERE are two Beatles(not Beach Boys)-centric websites which mention it outside of the context of the album . Can that be it please? ] (]) 05:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I don't pretend to be the arbiter but I am quite active on Misplaced Pages, so my viewpoint gets more visibility.
:::The thing about the prominence of the Beach Boys is that, if their version of the song "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" wasn't mentioned by the media, then it was judged less important by the media. We would be giving it undue weight if we list it. The fact that the song was released as a single isn't good enough for ]. The single must have charted somewhere to be important. ] (]) 16:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Their version of the song '''was''' mentioned by the media, in the examples I provided as well as others. Even if it is "less important" than the original song (an impossible metric for any cover of a Beatles song to top), that doesn't mean it doesn't merit a mention in the article. Nowhere in the song cover guidelines does it say that a cover version must have charted as a single to be considered noteworthy. I'll quote your response to the user above: "Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a summary of published facts." It is a '''published fact''' that The Beach Boys, '''an extremely notable band,''' released a cover version of this song, which was also released as a single and has been discussed, as I've now provided multiple links attesting to. Per the songcover guidelines, a cover should EITHER be "discussed by a reliable source, showing that it is noteworthy in its own right. Merely appearing in an album track listing, a discography, etc. is not sufficient" OR meet the requirements for a standalone page. I'm not trying to create a standalone page for this or act like it deserves one. But I '''am''' providing much more evidence than the examples listed in the guidelines as insufficient ("an album track listing or discography"). This satisfies the first of the two criteria listed, which '''in and of itself''' is sufficient to merit its inclusion in the article. It would not be giving it "undue weight" but an entirely appropriate mention. In fact, I can go to many, many other musician's pages and find dozens, if not hundreds, of examples of less notable cover songs than this one being included, without issue. Since it bothers you so much and you've decided it's your prerogative, why haven't you gone and cleaned house on every other music page? You '''are''' pretending to be the arbiter here - the fact that you do this a lot doesn't mean that you're not doing it. You are being willfully obtuse and overly proscriptive in your own '''personal''' interpretation of these guidelines - to what end I can't imagine, unless it's to satisfy some personal bias. A cursory Google search of your username shows that you have quite a reputation as something of a Misplaced Pages bully, who uses the pretense of neutrality to inject your own personal bias into articles - and looking deeper into your edit history confirms this to be true. Given that, it's clear that there's no way I'm going to get you to do a 180 and admit that you're wrong here, and you'll just keep removing valid edits until people get fed up and leave - so that's what I'm doing, congratulations you win again. But I'll leave you with this: I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you didn't actually set out to codify your personal biases and beliefs in a space that's supposed to be a public resource of neutral information, and that you '''do''' in fact believe that you're acting in good faith in defense of said neutrality. Based on your edit history and your rightly-earned reputation, I would suggest that you might consider that you've lost sight of your (correct and ultimately noble) goal and have let your personal biases get in the way of doing what you clearly see as your job - to the detriment of Misplaced Pages and its reputation as a source of information. Nobody in the world is perfect, but you seem to have an entirely inflated and unhealthy sense of your own infallibility, which doesn't serve you (or anyone else) well. Just food for thought. ] (]) 01:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Sticking to what you did, was still a violation of ]. The Slowinski credit in the AV media citation doesn't refer to any prose analysis by Slowinski saying that this cover version was extraordinary in some manner. Instead, Slowinski and Boyd are credited as the researchers who figured out which song contained which musicians from which recording sessions. The songs are not praised or panned in a critical review, just listed in order as part of the album. That's not enough to get through the SONGCOVER requirement. Your second citation is an example of the song being performed live in concert, which again is not enough to increase its importance for Misplaced Pages to notice. Three things can convey importance: chart success, a major award nomination, or critical commentary in books, newspapers, magazines, etc.
:::::Now about my actions: Misplaced Pages's original intent was to summarize a topic's most important points for the reader. It was never meant as a full and complete collection of every fact about a topic. Misplaced Pages's current policy continues with this idea: ] says that the online encyclopedia "does not aim to contain all the information, data or expression known on every subject." There are other websites trying to fill that gap, for instance secondhandsongs is attempting to list every song cover no matter how obscure. Misplaced Pages's refusal to include every fact is the spirit which drives my removal of the lesser known song covers from song articles. ] (]) 05:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

== Willow Smith ==

You're calling me out on “awful sourcing” and restored a version that uses a damn YouTube video as a source. Is this a joke? ] (]) 17:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

:I got that one backwards. Sorry. ] (]) 17:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

== Another User:MariaJaydHicky sock? ==

Hi there Binksternet, I came across some edits from the above User:ThisIs00k today and noticed that it felt very familiar to this LTA: ]. A bit of genre warring / changes going on, and a heavy focus on R&B music articles. I have already published an SPI report ], but anyways would you agree with my findings that this is another likely sock of MariaJaydHicky? —&nbsp;] ] 01:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, someone's sock. It's also too close to the existing username ] and should be blocked as a spoof. ] (]) 02:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:That is not me. ] (]) 06:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

== Unhelpful edit summaries ==

I don't think "]" and "]" are helpful edit summaries when reverting good faith edits, which is what these appear to be. Is there something I'm missing here?<span id="Qwerfjkl:1731607610022:User_talkFTTCLNBinksternet" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;]] 18:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</span>
:Loosen up. Those edit summaries were meant to alert longstanding editors that consensus was being violated. I'm not going to change my style for the few times I choose to sound the alarm. ] (]) 18:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
::And why would longstanding editors need to be alerted? I'm just saying, a less bitey approach might have been better.<span id="Qwerfjkl:1731608426065:User_talkFTTCLNBinksternet" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;]] 18:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</span>

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Hey. It's been a minute. I was pressed about this author by the name of Ian Hall and his books on One-Hit Wonders of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s and whether or not he could be used as a source for the List of One-Hit Wonders in the United States wiki page. He is from Scotland and now lives with his wife in Topeka, Kansas. His book includes chart data from different countries, primarily building off of the Billboard Hot 100 in the states. ] (]) 22:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
==The F6F AND the F4U DID use the same basic engine as the T-Bolt did...==
:The problem with his books is that they are self-published through ]. That means ] is the applicable guideline. The books are not considered a reliable source unless Ian Hall can be argued as a notable expert on music topics. Is he famous for music analysis or criticism? ] (]) 02:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::I can't say he's famous from the looks of it. Even if he knows his stuff really well. I ''could'' be inaccurate on that though. ] (]) 02:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)


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..."the same basic engine as used on the ]'s ] and ] fighters, but with the addition of a ] in its rear fuselage for even more engine power."...


Could I contact you via e-mail over a Misplaced Pages editing matter concerning another editor, that I think should not be open for all to see, at least for the time being ? Nothing too sinister or deep, but you know how it goes. Or you can contact me on derekrbullamore@yahoo.co.uk, whichever suits you. Thanks. - ] (]) 20:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
...you MIGHT want to first check both the ] page, and the pages for the Corsair and Hellcat before making such a "correction" (?!?) as, except for the T-Bolt's turbocharger, the same basic type of P&W 18-cylinder mill, the Double Wasp, was used on all three aircraft, but with different induction systems between the T-Bolt versus the two naval aircraft, as regards similar text on the F6F...


:I will ping you offline. ] (]) 20:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
"The Grumman F6F Hellcat was a carrier-based fighter aircraft conceived to replace the earlier F4F Wildcat in United States Navy (USN) service. Although the F6F resembled the Wildcat, it was a completely new design, '''powered by a 2,000 hp Pratt & Whitney R-2800, the same powerplant used for both the Navy's earlier Chance Vought F4U Corsair and the United States Army Air Force's (USAAF) Republic P-47 Thunderbolt fighters.'''"


::Thanks. I presume you mean off-Wiki ! - ] (]) 20:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Please check FIRST before reverting such an edit, as the Double Wasp radial mill WAS used on all three airframe types during World War II.


:::You presume correctly. ] (]) 20:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks in advance and Yours Sincerely,
::::Am not surprised to see an old favourite editor, and a new favourite, collaborating. Cheers, both. Press on. ] (]) 05:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)


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:My concern was not whether it was true, the fact you added, but how it was inserted so clumsily. The reading flow should be a primary consideration. The fact about the shared engine is not so important that it needs to be presented in the first paragraph. ] (]) 00:57, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
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== Another Chowkat sock == == Hey friend. ==


You might look back to the ] article, and the hodge-podge "Focus, pacing, style, and interpretation" section. There is a lot of unsourced essay content there, that I simply can't bold-edit away myself (because editing from IP, and knowing what it likely will trigger). And good working alongside you today. Cheers. A former logging editor and Prof. ] (]) 05:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Hey, Binksternet. Hope all is well with you and yours. I think I've found yet another and since my SPIs are almost always denied I thought I would ask you if you would be willing to write one up. Any interest? If not, thats okay. Cheers! ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 20:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
:Cheers. I'll take another look. ] (]) 06:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
::I restored the shorter plot section that I had copyedited. Per ], the plot section should not exceed 700 words. Per ], the plot section is written in the ], which is a change I enacted. If the plot is very briefly summarized elsewhere, for instance in the lead section, then this summary is written from the author's perspective. ] (]) 06:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I support your redactive edits to move ] away from its overly long Plot, to hit ca. 700 words. I would argue that the Plot now opens with a name of principle character only revealed with certainty later in the novel—at open, only hints appear tht the principle character is Tenar; she is identified as Goha. I think the Plot summary should use Goha, until the point in the narrative that it is revealed that Goha is the preceding novel's Tenar. (But I will not be the one to even partially revert your edit.) And still believe that the "Focus, pacing, style, interpretation" section should get your honing attention (for it contains a lot of unsourced editorial content). Cheers. ] (]) 10:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)


== 808s & Heartbreak ==
:I have been watching this person and wondering about him being a sockpuppet. Let me think about putting together a strong SPI, otherwise there is no use in trying. ] (]) 00:11, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
:: Thanks. Is it just me, or does (and the editor) seem a little too familiar? ] <sup>(]&#124;])</sup> 03:17, 2 August 2013 (UTC)


It's look like MariaJaydHicky is genre warring in '']'' . ] (]) 07:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
== DYK RfC ==
:Socking as a lifetime career. ] (]) 07:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
::Do we have research into what motivates LTAs? In this case someone made an attempt at some point ]. ] (]) 14:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:::It would benefit the community greatly to know what is their motivation. We might be able to use that information to redirect their energies.
:::That particular discussion in your link showed that MJH was pleading innocent at the same time she was block evading with IPs and socks. Pop psychology suggests that this kind of lying comes from narcissism's disconnect with shame or guilt. Anna Frodesiak tried to guide MJH gently toward Wikia, but MJH ignored the hint. I don't know what we could say or do to get a narcissist to go away to spend their time elsewhere. ] (]) 17:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks. I don't have much faith in pop psychology. But would surprise me if no one has researched this topic yet. I'll ask around. ] (]) 20:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)


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== Invitation to participate in ] ==
Hey there Bink, I thought of you today as I again review the ] article which I mostly wrote. I've always loved Jimmie Rogers, but while working on the article, to my surprise it slowly emerged that it was the African American influence that actually created American yodeling, which is somewhat different than Alpine yodeling. I know that you have an interest in music and have an expert critical eye, and I am wondering if you'd take a look at the article and offer feedback--if you have any. Some parts may seem a little garbled because it was only as I continued with my research that I realized the African American roots of American yodeling. Perhaps you are too busy with other projects, and that is understandable. ] (]) 18:44, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
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:Interesting concept. I'll take advantage some day. ] (]) 01:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::Appreciate it! ] (]) 02:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)


== Quick question ==
:I'm working at an online gaming gig in Vegas this week, but we in the audio department often have some waiting-around time while the organizers get organized about what they are going to do next on stage. I'll take a look. ] (]) 19:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


So there's this LTA by the name of User:MidAtlanticBaby who has been going around and copy-pasting some story usually attacking other editors or seeking attention from admins and whatnot, over and over and over again, across the help desk, teahouse and various other help forums or noticeboards (]). I've noticed that the "Demographics vandal" you've been dealing with lately also does something incredibly similar as well, where they repeatedly spam some big block of text on the help desk and/or teahouse, which all later have to be revdelled just like MAB's posts. I've never seen any of the posts by the demographics vandal for myself before, so I'm not exactly sure as to whether these two names are two different people or not. I'm quite very familiar with MAB but not so much with the demographics vandal. Anyway, can you confirm with me whether these are two different persons? That's all. Thanks! —&nbsp;] ] 06:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::I put something on the talk page about 19th century African American practice. I think the African origin of the yodel should be given equal or at least parallel treatment. ] (]) 22:07, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


:The person I call the Demographics vandal is a complex case, with more than one area of interest. I wouldn't be surprised to find they have other disruptive behavior patterns than the ones listed at ].
:::Yes, I agree. The problem was that when I first began to work on the article I had no idea about the African American roots, and had to work it into the existing information in bits and pieces as I slowly learned more about it. It is like so much of our version of American history, for instance until only recently Americans have not been aware that George Washington Carver was not the only American "negro" of accomplishment (the victors write the history...). Any further comments will be appreciated. ] (]) 14:39, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
:I've seen some of the MAB disruption but I haven't studied it. I cannot confirm these are two different people. ] (]) 06:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::I see, got it. —&nbsp;] ] 06:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)


== Inquiry about an article created at the English language Vikidia ==
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Good morning! My name is Christian, and I'm an administrator on the English language children's encyclopedia called Vikidia. This morning, an article has been created, by someone using your WP username, and it's about you.
== ] ==


Could I ask if you have authorised this, please? If not, the article will be deleted as a violation of BLP. It features material taken word for word, from your userpage here, and is unsourced.
] is now three weeks old and has now had over 250KB of discourse. I don't think I have ever been involved in an FAC like this. As I stated at the beginning of this FAC, '']'' will experience the 50th anniversary of its first exhibition on September 28 that I hope can be celebrated at ]. Before that, however, we must make a decision on the quality of this article here at ]. Please consider making a '''Support''' or '''Oppose''' decision some time soon.--] <small>(]/]/]/]/])</small> 00:15, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


Many thanks for your attention, ]&#124;] 09:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:There is an unanswered point I brought up about David McCarthy's comment about "winning hearts and minds". ] (]) 02:01, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


::I gave the article my '''Support'''. ] (]) 03:26, 5 August 2013 (UTC) :I did not authorize it. Thank you in advance for deleting it. ] (]) 14:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::{{tps}} ], I see it has not been deleted yet, and the user "Binksternet" should surely be blocked. They have now made a second edit; note the edit summary. ] &#124; ] 19:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::: Thanks, I'll remove it now, and indef the creator. Sorry for the delay! ]&#124;] 19:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::::To confirm, the user / vandal impersonating you at the English Vikidia has been indefinitely blocked for impersonation, our recent change logs indicate you did not authorise the article, and that too has been deleted and create protected to admin only. The userpage has been wiped, and the contents of the user's edit summaries have been suppressed within our logs.
::::I'd like to apologise for the delay in dealing with this, but I have been without internet for part of today, and been unable to get on here. If you ever wish to have a presence on the site, please leave a message on my talk page here, and I'll unlock the userpage and its associated talk, as well as unblock the account. With regards, ]&#124;] 20:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you for your prompt action. I will consider your kind offfer. ] (]) 20:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


== Origin of the term "Lost Cause" ==
== Greetings and... audiocassettes ==


You're right that I did too much original research. I'll try to redo it referencing this source that has good info, including a section on the origin of the term and several of the sources I included. https://commons.emich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2444&context=theses That thesis suggests that Pollard might have picked up the term from an article in a rival Memphis paper in 11/16/1865, but I have a source that shows he used the term himself a day earlier than that. Pollard himself wrote in 1872 that he suggested the title to the publisher, but he was using the term himself even before the book was written. I don't have the Ulbrich book, but will try to get a copy. ] (]) 21:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Greetings Binksternet. Just seen your edit at and it occurs to me that that bit about ]s might be valid (if sourced). I don't know enough about the subject (other than original research) to do anything about it, but as you seem to, maybe you could add something along those lines. Cheers! --] (]) 09:41, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
:Cheers, and thanks for having a good attitude. ] (]) 22:51, 15 December 2024 (UTC)


== Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ==
:Some of the user's text might be valid but so much was not. I will take a look around to see if the audiocassette assertion can be supported by RS. ] (]) 10:28, 4 August 2013 (UTC)


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== Rothbard ==


== "Too specific" isn't a real standard. Don't randomly delete content without attempting discussion please. ==
Hello Bink. Please review ]. I have no conflict of interest in any of the articles I edit here and I hope you will moderate the tone in which you address me on WP. Thanks. ]] 03:06, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
:COI says "'''When advancing outside interests is more important to an editor than advancing the aims of Misplaced Pages, that editor stands in a conflict of interest.'''" You are advancing outside interests rather than providing a neutral biography of Rothbard for the reader. Your behavior is perversely obstinate as evinced by your continual refusal to allow wording which portrays Rothbard primarily as an important leader of the Austrian School. ] (]) 03:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
::Bink, I have no such "outside interests." If you believe otherwise, please state whatever it is to which you refer. Per policy, even if you (erroneously) believe that I am biased, the policy clearly states that bias does not constitute COI, so your assertions of COI are not appropriate. You refer to my "continued refusal to allow wording...?" The fact is that I initiated an RfC -- that is the epitome of good WP process and has nothing to do with refusal. Please don't attack me. Thanks. ]] 03:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
:::Binksternet: FYI of a lot of removed Steeletrap talk page material does have discussion of possible academic conflict of interest for Steeletrap. Unless I missed it, SPECIFICO only has stated ''I am an "Austrian School" economist trained before the Mises Institute...'' Now he could be a PhD economist who has worked as a dock worker for 30 years or he could be ]. We don't know. In both cases the POV editing is so disruptive that it's not really necessary to prove COI unless it slaps us in the face with some obvious admission of COI. '''] ''' 12:28, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
{{od}Bink: I've just seen your recent post on BLPN. I need to ask you: Please state your concerns and discuss text and policy without the repeated presumptions, aspersions, and disparagement of other editors. It is unnecessary and it disrupts the discussion of content which is necessary to resolution of disputed text and references. Please do not frame the discussion in terms of your beliefs about other editors, and please use diffs to document any specific behavior you believe is problematic. Thank you. ]] 22:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


Hi. This is regarding your deletion of the section on the ] page. There is a section on the talk page for discussion, but you did not participate, either before, during, or after your deletion. Although it appears to be a common practice to delete the edits and additions of newcomers, it is still against Misplaced Pages rules and guidelines. Please follow the rules. If you're going to assert that content should be deleted, discuss it on the talk page. I did that, multiple times in fact. I was very patient. I was very careful. I spent a lot of time, and did a lot of work. "Too specific" is not a real standard, and I do intend to revert your edit. Magnolia did in fact consistently blatantly and deliberately violate Misplaced Pages's rules. The fact that there was an actual torture ring conducted by the Sonoma County government is in fact notable, whether or not people think it should be covered up is irrelevant. The fact that the person who organized the lawsuit against the County for the torture ring in 2015 was shot in the face with a crowd control "stingball" grenade is also notable. Again, please respect Misplaced Pages's rules. I don't know how much simpler I can put it. Don't delete content without participating in discussion. There has been a section on the talk page for more than 18 months. I put it there, to give people a forum to discuss the sections that I eventually added, after diligence, and patience. 18 month old invalid arguments do not weigh on consensus. Bad faith deletions do not weigh on consensus. "Too specific" isn't even applicable, firstly, and secondly it's plainly not a real standard. It's not valid. The content is notable, and is properly sourced. Merely throwing in your hat with Magnolia to cover up extremely heinous acts of brutality because you personally want the article to read like a tourist brochure does not weigh on consensus. You need a valid reason. The fact that you didn't participate in the talk page seems to implicate a lacking thereof. The page is about the County. The content relates to the County and it is not reasonably disputable that it should be in the article, if the article is to be considered objective. The article is not a tourist brochure.] (]) 11:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
== Sorry to bother you... ==


== History of Chinese Americans ==
Sorry to bother you, quick question: I went through, for the first time, ] and found a person, {{aut|]}}, for whom an article was requested. So I made it up, but do I need to do anything at ] to register that the RA has been started as requested? ] (]) 07:52, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


I'm not going to revert , but I will argue that the text added to ] is inappropriate. Beyond the simple problems of bolding of headers, meta-analysis like " While the page currently focuses on the legislative details, it is essential to explore the broader social and political dynamics that led to its passage." is a discussion of the page and should be on the talk page, not in the article. I also suspect that quite a lot of that text is a copyvio and it has some fairly serious ] issues. Can you take a closer look? Thanks, ] (]) 07:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:I am not seeing the article request at ]. If I had found it, I would have removed it because the article is now created. ] (]) 22:13, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
:Yes, I'll look. I guess we had an edit conflict, but I didn't get a notice saying so. I thought the person's contribution was very flawed and so I removed the worst bits. You thought it was very flawed and removed all of it. I might end up agreeing more with your solution. ] (]) 15:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)


== MFDWarning == == WTF DUDE???? ==


Dude Why TF are u reverting my edits. The video clearly is credible as MrBeast shows proof himself and u literally did not look at it ] (]) 21:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Was it necessary to a user of +4,500 edits -- Really? ]<u>]</u> 21:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
:I did look at it, and what I saw was some clowning around in the studio. But the single , so you got me there. ] (]) 22:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)


== Flag Icons for 1920's Time Magazine Covers ==
:Two things:
:1 – That template is created automatically when you nominate a page for deletion. I had nothing to do with its format or content.
:2 – I ''do'' template veteran users when I wish to do so, for instance to get their attention in a hurry. Check out the essay ] for some arguments supporting that stance. ] (]) 22:10, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
::Thought there was an option to add detail or trim the more condescending stuff down before saving the page. Maybe not. I'm guessing you've fielded these concerns before judging by your quick link in defense of templating vet editors. That's your prerogative. Just figured it needed to be said. ]<u>]</u> 22:24, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


Is the flag icons next to names on the list of time magazine articles not the correct format? I saw you also removed the flags for the other covers as well. ] (]) 12:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
== Compact disc ==


:As I understand ] and ], the flag should only be used if the person is coming to the list as a representative of their country, for instance athletes coming to the Olympics would show the flag of the country they are competing for. If a list of people is not associated with official representation of the country, then flags are not appropriate. Or if multiple politicians got together to discuss world affairs, they might be shown with the flag they represent. The ''Time'' magazine cover is not an athletic competition and it's not a convention of international politicians. ] (]) 15:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Hm, actually, where ''is'' "Compact disc" coming from? And why does the article start off as "compact disc", then? The logo, at best, says "COMPACT disc", and it's pretty much a graphic-only thing like so many other things. ] (]) 01:00, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
:I recommend discussing this at the article talk page. Lots of folks will chime in, eventually. ] (]) 01:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC)


== I'm going to need some evidence for this claim ==
== Sam Peckinpah Article ==


I am not "evading" anything. Now surely for you to accuse me of block evasion, you must have some real strong evidence, chief. Let's have it. ] (]) 22:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Why did you roll my tag back??? You found none of the suggestions I made useful. or you just personally hate me???] 19:52, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
:See ] which lists a ton of IPs in your range, and identical behavior. ] (]) 22:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)


== Possible sock puppet of MariaJaydHicky ==
:I put your comments on the talk page. ] (]) 20:18, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


I don't know if this user is related to MariaJaydHicky, but it appears to be the case . ] (]) 09:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
== Ad-hom ==
:I see gaming the system of protection by gaining autoconfirmed status then immediately reverting a protected page, in this case the Nicki Minaj bio four days after first registering, showing in that the user has been here before the hip hop article was moved from ] to ] which happened on December 2. The user account was created on December 17, so if they were a completely new user, they would only know the hyphenated hip-hop link, and they wouldn't try and correct it. ] (]) 16:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


== Your recent edits make no sense. ==
Have you any proof whatsoever for /personal attack beyond the misinterpretations of a self-confessed POV-pusher? I challenged your identical ad-hom attack at RS/N and you've conveniently ignored it. You seem happy to heap baseless accusations on top of baseless accusations but don't seem keen to back them once they are queried. Despite the ] and feigned hysteria, Carol hasn't once been able to substantiate any of her claims about me and has since retracted some, admitted she didn't understand the context of others and misinterpreted other comments entirely. Yet you continue to attack me on the basis of her now-discredited "evidence" and won't provide any of your own. ]] 01:17, 8 August 2013 (UTC)


The other day, I added the punk rock categories to the pages for speed metal and death metal, but you removed them. After reading the pages for those genres, I saw no mention of hardcore punk, so I removed them from the Hardcore punk template, but you added them back. What is the meaning of that? ] (]) 22:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:You started out as a helpful editor guiding Steeletrap through Misplaced Pages's minefields; you were the first person to edit Steeletrap's talk page on April 17, 2013, and also the first to edit Steeletrap's user page. You were doing well as a guide until April 20, 2013, when you interpretation of the Mises Institute biographies. You the next day, and the walled garden meme has ever since been part of the conversation between SPECIFICO, Steeletrap and yourself. Your own admitted lack of knowledge about economics was the problem—you did not bother to look further afield for more sources. By April 22 you were effectively in the camp of SPECIFICO and Steeletrap, that any book published by the Mises Institute should be removed. You repeatedly supported them in their removals of academic achievements, all while they added more negative information. ] (]) 07:16, 8 August 2013 (UTC)


:Your genre edits have been based on looking around at other Misplaced Pages articles. I have pointed this problem out repeatedly to you, saying that other Misplaced Pages articles cannot be considered reliable per ]. Back in 2021 ] instead, but you don't appear to be able or willing to do this. That's why I have a giant bug up my ass about your edits. ] (]) 04:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::I don't know whether you're being serious or deliberately obtuse and evasive. You personally attacked me with nothing more than your interpretation of Carol's bizarre claims (many since withdrawn, though she continued with different nonsense again today). Yes, I welcomed him, as I've done for many new editors into whom I've run at AFD. I've explained my position with regard to ] and ] several times (you have conveniently skipped over that explanation; Carol, having used it to attack me, has now acknowledged she ''didn't understand it at all''). I didn't agree with them - they agreed with me.
::Like I said, though, the pages for speed metal and death metal say nothing about hardcore punk, nor does the page for progressive rock say anything about electronic rock. I've seen you revert my edits for similar reasoning. ] (]) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::Did you even read that diff you posted? All I suggested was that they ''"seem like valid concerns"''. The stuff before that was written by SPECIFICO. Prior to that, I raised a broad concern about a small group of articles being a closed system (a walled garden) based on their common sourcing, circular referencing and common genesis (what you childishly refer to as a "meme").
:::Here you are again referring to Misplaced Pages pages as reliable sources. ARGHH. ] (]) 16:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::You skim-read (from the looks of it) pages and pages and pages of discussion, decided you liked Carol's completely unsubstantiated accusations and decided to remake them somewhere else in a more coherent fashion (something she has so far failed to do). I maintain you have absolutely no basis for your claims:
::::It was a ''lack'' of sources I was going on. ] (]) 17:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Various questions .. but for starters .. ==
:::1. That I have suggested that, ''"anybody connected with the Mises Institute should not be counted as reliable sources"''. Especially since I have argued the opposite several times, including with Steeletrap and SPECIFICO.
:::2. With regard to any of the conclusions you drew from ] which you seem to have completely misinterpreted.
:::3. That I have argued ''anything'' with regard to the massive list of articles you claim I have included in my commentary, despite the fact that I've never even read, let alone edited, most of them.
:::4. That I have anywhere been responsible for, ''"unbalancing some biographies of people associated with the Mises Institute"''.


Why would you revert the italicization of ]. And why do it with zero edit summary - do you really believe it to be vandalism? ] (]) 08:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::Do you have anything at all to substantiate your ridiculous personal attacks beyond Carol's own (and now completely discredited) personal attacks? Or did it just seem like a fun thing to do at the time? Beyond anything else (given you "evidence" above), how is my highlighting a concept/user essay justification enough for your accusations (especially at numbers 1, 3 and 4 above)? ]] 09:57, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
:You added a borough right next to the note that says no boroughs. ] (]) 15:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::Why if you disagree with that would you revert all of the other - I think facially proper - edits? And why without an edit summary. I thought we are supposed to use an edit summary, in particular when reverting non-vandalism (and of course where it is confusing as most of the material you reverted you have not mentioned you had a problem with). And (please tell me .. I'm just unaware of it) is there a rule against reflecting someone was born in Brooklyn? As we do in ] and ] and ] and ]? Also, less important I imagine, what is the thinking (Brooklyn is as large as many cities and has a character perhaps different than some of the other NYC boroughs), and will you delete Brooklyn from those bios as well? Thank you. --] (]) 17:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::] says to list the city. People have interpreted that to mean nothing below the city level, as some rappers were starting to list which neighborhood or even which apartment project. Local consensus at ] was clearly and explicitly against listing the borough, so you would want to take the issue up with the frequent participants there. ] (]) 15:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Regarding ]. I know it sounds nuts, but you may want to withdraw ] from the current GAN listing for nine months or so, because at that time it will be eligible for DYK for a second time in five years, per the new rules. Just something to consider. FWIW, if you decide to do that, I would be happy to review it at that later date. ] (]) 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks for the suggestion. I was away from the keyboard for too long to respond in time. ] (]) 01:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

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== Now Yearbooks not announced ==

I have one concern. Why aren't the ''Now Yearbooks'' announced yet? ] (]) 19:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

:Because they haven't got around to it? I don't know. If you're talking about with question marks for the year, then the answer is that you have not provided a supporting citation to show that Now Music is releasing another yearbook. It's too soon. Don't stick conjecture into the encyclopedia. ] (]) 15:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Correcting Mistakes On Misplaced Pages ==

I'm here to correct misinformation on here. ] (]) 19:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:I'm upset with you for not taking corrections all the time any time every time for good today. I'm fed up. I correct misinformation here. ] (]) 20:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

::Since you are effectively banned because of a long history of abuse and block evasion detailed at ], you cannot participate on Misplaced Pages at all. Your new IP range of ] will likely be blocked. ] (]) 20:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::] I regret abusing Misplaced Pages when I wasn't thinking. ] (]) 20:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
::::I'm sorry for a long history of abuse and regret having a block envasion detailed at ]. ] (]) 21:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== Disorder in the Falkands War ==

Happy New Year, Binks. Long time no talk.
These pages:

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All misspell Falk'''l'''ands in their titles. I tried to fix, but it looks to be above my paygrade.

Season’s cheer. ]] 21:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

::Cheers to you and Happy New Year. ] (]) 21:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
:::Belated thanks. I forgot about the talk pages. Didn’t realize they were separate entities.
:::New topic: Isn’t one of your specialties Australian forces in World War 2?
:::]] 18:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
::::That has to be another dude. ] (]) 12:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
:::::OK, Binks. Thanks. ]] 16:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

== Edward Furlong ==

If you had checked the article references and the talkpage before reverting, you would have seen that most of the biographical material is already in the existing cites. In particular the People Magazine article from August 1991. The point about his surname is re-confirmed in the interview link which I added to the references section. Which you also removed.

The other edits regarding his work are all already supported in the cited material and are nearly all minor copyedits for clarity and garmmar.

Please check your facts before editing or reverting other people's work. This is not the first time you have acted in this manner.

] (]) 23:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

:Keep the discussion centralized at ]. ] (]) 23:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

== 2804:D45:962E:B900:8C3C:8A57:D4A6:AF18 adding death dates ==

Thanks for reporting that to AIV. I did some digging into the other IPs as well. They occupy a broad range: 2804:D45:9600:::0/40. I've seen primarily vandalism from that range for the past 3 years, adding death dates. Could you ping me when this recurs? I may want to consult with some other people to see what we should do to prevent future disruption, but I hesitate to put such wide range blocks down. —&nbsp;]&nbsp;] 00:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:Will do.
:The /40 range would be a good fit, with very little collateral damage. ] (]) 00:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::It appears that ] went ahead with a /64 block which appears safe. But if you look at the /40 range, ], it appears there are some good edits in there. I didn't check if somethinng between a /40 and a /64 might work. ] (]) 19:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

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== Frenchie Vandal ==

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/148.252.145.11

Can this IP's edits be mass reverted? Is it possible? ] (]) 19:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

:Yes and no. You can revert the IP per ], but you should look at the contribution and see whether it helps advance the encyclopedia. And if you simply revert the IP, you might leave previous Frenchie stuff in place, for instance at ] where I reverted a big group of Frenchie IPs at once rather than just reverting the latest one. ] (]) 19:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::Is the Frenchie vandal serious on his promise to improve his behaviour on wikipedia? ] (]) 19:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
:::He has improved slightly in eight years; see ] for some examples of his past disruption. Many of the past disruptive patterns have been corrected. But his idea of improvement does not always fit with policy and manual of style. For instance, the Frenchie vandal nationality for a Black person, which can be confusing because "English" can also refer to ], the ethnicity which is of course light-skinned and called "White". If we say that the person holds British nationality then the confusion is absent. ] (]) 19:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
::::Sorry. ] (]) 09:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

==Australian electrical engineers==
I've started a discussion here for your info. ]. ] (]) 00:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

== {{noping|Dylan Florida}} ==

Just a heads up that he's active again today. I opened another SPI to hopefully get another rangeblock. . ] (]) 00:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks for that. ] (]) 01:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

== Killing Me Softly With His Song ==

Binksternet-- I can't get on the email you sent me to my other "wikipedia name" TBerman1963... so I'll just ask here... To the song "killing me softly with his song" page, there is a whole section trying to figure out exactly how the song came about. (This wikipedia page and youtube are the only places where this seems uncertain). Anyway, I found an actual video clip that appeared on national television, with the original person who sang the song explaining to Mike Douglas how it was written, in her own words. Why would you cut that out? The only reason to leave it out would be If the editor of the page felt it contradicted result he wanted. And that would not make for a very good historian. This is not me "Warring". This is me objectively helping. I don't know what your profession is but-- I know for certain you have no inside knowledge of this song or the process that took place- that's 100% correct--and regardless of what albums you mixed in Northern Calfirnia-- I don't think you even have any insight at all into theoretically how Hollywood or the music business works at this level-- that's also clear. So I'm giving you information right from the horse's mouth at the very time it happened-- not 25 yrs later, looking back. ] (]) 17:48, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

:I talked about this issue at ]. You can see what I said, and share your own thoughts. ] (]) 17:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

== Outlawz ==

Hey! I’m the one who edited the Outlawz page if you check Young Noble’s instagram he clearly states that he’s retiring from the group and they are no longer a group! Thanks for fixing the image though didn’t mean to ruin that. ] (]) 07:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

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== Removing the word studio ==
::: I think we may have a ] issue on our hands, Stalwart. The constant personal attacks and erroneous accusations (in the case of carol, so blatantly erroneous that they are often "retracted") from ] and ] are making it impossible for us to effectively function as editors in these Misesian articles. You are for instance accused of wanting to delete all Misesian sources from Misplaced Pages (a position '''no one''' has endorsed) because you asked ] to specify inappropriate or "bad" sources that should be removed from Mises articles. (When you asked that question, you had not endorsed her conception of "bad" sources; and afterwards you maintained strong disagreements.) ] (]) 19:03, 8 August 2013 (UTC)


why do u keep removing the word studio ] (]) 01:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)
::::You are free to think what you like about my competence, but you should note I have developed a very wide range of high- and top-quality articles for Misplaced Pages, many of which are on topics that were entirely new to me at the beginning of my writing. I'm a quick study and I'm confident if I began to write about, say, ], I would be able to get the career and the controversy across to the reader in a clear and straightforward manner. Right now I have a lot of other tasks in real life and on Misplaced Pages so I have not been writing about the Austrians. My main problem with you and SPECIFICO (and Stalwart111 as enabler) is the vitriol you demonstrate against the Misesians who you work to minimize or muzzle. ] (]) 23:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
:I only remove it when it is not necessary, when removing it does not change the meaning. The reason is that I like to see concise text. ] (]) 04:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

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Editing trouble

Hello. I don't understand what did I do wrong on my last edit on Jaska Raatikainen. Can you give me an explication? Loyal to Metal (talk) 07:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

You added influences with no references. Binksternet (talk) 13:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Greenwood

Hi, Could you please explain why you remove my edit? Rabbitsforever (talk) 19:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

KB edit

Hi! I noticed that you reverted my edits for the wiki page of Kathryn Bernardo. I overhauled the whole page as there are too many unnecessary info and clutter. I also corrected a lot of grammatical errors which I think devalues the page.

If you will compare my edit from the previous one, it is a big improvement as it is more coherent and concise. I also added present vital info as there are a lot that has been missed. If I may, I will revert my edits on that page as it took me hours to finish it. Rest assured that no critical info has been removed. Thank you. Itslouagain (talk) 14:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Whatever improvements you have planned for the biography, don't remove existing citations. The biography is supposed to be a summary of published material, and the citations represent that material. Binksternet (talk) 14:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
I will restore the sources on the previous edit. Thanks. Itslouagain (talk) 14:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Can I revert back my edit and restore back the sources previously present? I want to avoid edit warring so I'll ask for your permission. Itslouagain (talk) 14:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
You can copy the article into your userspace and work on it there. Your userspace sandbox would be at User:Itslouagain/sandbox. Binksternet (talk) 14:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
This is noted. All citations previously removed were restored. Page now grew to 77 references. Thanks. Itslouagain (talk) 14:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping so many of the previous citations. Binksternet (talk) 15:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Please add "progressive soul" back to the Isley Brothers article

Source 166.181.255.91 (talk) 23:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's in the source you linked, but they say the group "dabbled" in it, which is not a wholehearted assertion of genre.
In any case, the genre "progressive soul" must be discussed in the article body before it can be listed in the infobox. Binksternet (talk) 23:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Then add it to the body. 166.181.255.91 (talk) 00:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Robert Christgau also referred to the Isleys as a progressive soul group in the 1970s. 166.181.255.91 (talk) 00:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Shane McRae edits

Hello I saw you reversed my edits on the Misplaced Pages pages for Shane McRae and Bad Teacher crediting him for a minor role in the unrated version of the film. I assume this is because he’s not credited on IMDB so I didn’t provide a source, but I actually looked at his page again and saw this photo still of him from the film from the scene in the unrated version of the film. Is this enough source to add the film to his page and the credits section of the Bad Teacher page? 2600:6C47:BCF0:9440:1B7:1B7F:B1C6:C415 (talk) 15:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a summary of published facts. If the fact hasn't been published, it is not for Misplaced Pages. We are not here to figure out all the missed stuff and make sure it gets in. Binksternet (talk) 22:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You've Got To Hide Your Love Away

I've undone your removal of the Beach Boys' cover from the "cover versions" section as they did do a cover of this song, on a top 10 charting album, and there are citations provided which confirm this. There was no good reason to remove this info. 2603:8000:AC00:4300:99C2:F5DB:AC50:72B9 (talk) 18:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:SONGCOVER is the good reason. The cover version doesn't get a boost from being on a Top 10 album; it has to be judged on its own merit. At the bare minimum, the cover version should be described as extraordinary by the media. Any charting cover version is certainly included. Binksternet (talk) 22:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Maybe if we were talking about a less notable group, but it seems to me that the fact that specifically The Beach Boys - being the most successful American band (of the decade and possibly of all time) and specifically in 1965 at the peak of their popularity and much-ballyhooed rivalry with The Beatles - recorded and released a cover of a Beatles song on an album that went to #6 in the US and #3 in the UK is noteworthy enough to warrant a sentence's mention on the song's page. It feels like a glaring enough omission NOT to include it that while reading this page I went "oh wow why isn't that here? I'll be a diligent Misplaced Pages user and add it." But since that's not enough for you (and apparently you're the ultimate arbiter here?) it was also released as a single in Japan in 1966 and here are two reviews which mention it as a standout track on the album and HERE are two Beatles(not Beach Boys)-centric websites which mention it outside of the context of the album . Can that be it please? 2603:8000:BDF0:B930:14DA:9FFB:7925:E78D (talk) 05:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
I don't pretend to be the arbiter but I am quite active on Misplaced Pages, so my viewpoint gets more visibility.
The thing about the prominence of the Beach Boys is that, if their version of the song "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" wasn't mentioned by the media, then it was judged less important by the media. We would be giving it undue weight if we list it. The fact that the song was released as a single isn't good enough for WP:SONGCOVER. The single must have charted somewhere to be important. Binksternet (talk) 16:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Their version of the song was mentioned by the media, in the examples I provided as well as others. Even if it is "less important" than the original song (an impossible metric for any cover of a Beatles song to top), that doesn't mean it doesn't merit a mention in the article. Nowhere in the song cover guidelines does it say that a cover version must have charted as a single to be considered noteworthy. I'll quote your response to the user above: "Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a summary of published facts." It is a published fact that The Beach Boys, an extremely notable band, released a cover version of this song, which was also released as a single and has been discussed, as I've now provided multiple links attesting to. Per the songcover guidelines, a cover should EITHER be "discussed by a reliable source, showing that it is noteworthy in its own right. Merely appearing in an album track listing, a discography, etc. is not sufficient" OR meet the requirements for a standalone page. I'm not trying to create a standalone page for this or act like it deserves one. But I am providing much more evidence than the examples listed in the guidelines as insufficient ("an album track listing or discography"). This satisfies the first of the two criteria listed, which in and of itself is sufficient to merit its inclusion in the article. It would not be giving it "undue weight" but an entirely appropriate mention. In fact, I can go to many, many other musician's pages and find dozens, if not hundreds, of examples of less notable cover songs than this one being included, without issue. Since it bothers you so much and you've decided it's your prerogative, why haven't you gone and cleaned house on every other music page? You are pretending to be the arbiter here - the fact that you do this a lot doesn't mean that you're not doing it. You are being willfully obtuse and overly proscriptive in your own personal interpretation of these guidelines - to what end I can't imagine, unless it's to satisfy some personal bias. A cursory Google search of your username shows that you have quite a reputation as something of a Misplaced Pages bully, who uses the pretense of neutrality to inject your own personal bias into articles - and looking deeper into your edit history confirms this to be true. Given that, it's clear that there's no way I'm going to get you to do a 180 and admit that you're wrong here, and you'll just keep removing valid edits until people get fed up and leave - so that's what I'm doing, congratulations you win again. But I'll leave you with this: I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you didn't actually set out to codify your personal biases and beliefs in a space that's supposed to be a public resource of neutral information, and that you do in fact believe that you're acting in good faith in defense of said neutrality. Based on your edit history and your rightly-earned reputation, I would suggest that you might consider that you've lost sight of your (correct and ultimately noble) goal and have let your personal biases get in the way of doing what you clearly see as your job - to the detriment of Misplaced Pages and its reputation as a source of information. Nobody in the world is perfect, but you seem to have an entirely inflated and unhealthy sense of your own infallibility, which doesn't serve you (or anyone else) well. Just food for thought. 2603:8000:BDF0:B930:BAB7:4F59:D434:549 (talk) 01:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Sticking to what you did, your second edit which included two references was still a violation of WP:SONGCOVER. The Slowinski credit in the AV media citation doesn't refer to any prose analysis by Slowinski saying that this cover version was extraordinary in some manner. Instead, Slowinski and Boyd are credited as the researchers who figured out which song contained which musicians from which recording sessions. The songs are not praised or panned in a critical review, just listed in order as part of the album. That's not enough to get through the SONGCOVER requirement. Your second citation is an example of the song being performed live in concert, which again is not enough to increase its importance for Misplaced Pages to notice. Three things can convey importance: chart success, a major award nomination, or critical commentary in books, newspapers, magazines, etc.
Now about my actions: Misplaced Pages's original intent was to summarize a topic's most important points for the reader. It was never meant as a full and complete collection of every fact about a topic. Misplaced Pages's current policy continues with this idea: Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not says that the online encyclopedia "does not aim to contain all the information, data or expression known on every subject." There are other websites trying to fill that gap, for instance secondhandsongs is attempting to list every song cover no matter how obscure. Misplaced Pages's refusal to include every fact is the spirit which drives my removal of the lesser known song covers from song articles. Binksternet (talk) 05:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Willow Smith

You're calling me out on “awful sourcing” and restored a version that uses a damn YouTube video as a source. Is this a joke? ThisIs00k (talk) 17:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I got that one backwards. Sorry. Binksternet (talk) 17:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Another User:MariaJaydHicky sock?

Hi there Binksternet, I came across some edits from the above User:ThisIs00k today and noticed that it felt very familiar to this LTA: WP:LTA/MJH. A bit of genre warring / changes going on, and a heavy focus on R&B music articles. I have already published an SPI report over here, but anyways would you agree with my findings that this is another likely sock of MariaJaydHicky? — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, someone's sock. It's also too close to the existing username User:This0k and should be blocked as a spoof. Binksternet (talk) 02:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
That is not me. This0k (talk) 06:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Unhelpful edit summaries

I don't think "Nope nope nope" and "Rv image vandalis," are helpful edit summaries when reverting good faith edits, which is what these appear to be. Is there something I'm missing here? — Qwerfjkltalk 18:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Loosen up. Those edit summaries were meant to alert longstanding editors that consensus was being violated. I'm not going to change my style for the few times I choose to sound the alarm. Binksternet (talk) 18:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
And why would longstanding editors need to be alerted? I'm just saying, a less bitey approach might have been better. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Question about an author and his book

Hey. It's been a minute. I was pressed about this author by the name of Ian Hall and his books on One-Hit Wonders of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s and whether or not he could be used as a source for the List of One-Hit Wonders in the United States wiki page. He is from Scotland and now lives with his wife in Topeka, Kansas. His book includes chart data from different countries, primarily building off of the Billboard Hot 100 in the states. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 22:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

The problem with his books is that they are self-published through CreateSpace. That means WP:USERG is the applicable guideline. The books are not considered a reliable source unless Ian Hall can be argued as a notable expert on music topics. Is he famous for music analysis or criticism? Binksternet (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
I can't say he's famous from the looks of it. Even if he knows his stuff really well. I could be inaccurate on that though. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 02:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 223, November 2024

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A need for some privacy

Could I contact you via e-mail over a Misplaced Pages editing matter concerning another editor, that I think should not be open for all to see, at least for the time being ? Nothing too sinister or deep, but you know how it goes. Or you can contact me on derekrbullamore@yahoo.co.uk, whichever suits you. Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I will ping you offline. Binksternet (talk) 20:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I presume you mean off-Wiki ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
You presume correctly. Binksternet (talk) 20:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Am not surprised to see an old favourite editor, and a new favourite, collaborating. Cheers, both. Press on. 73.110.70.75 (talk) 05:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hey friend.

You might look back to the Tehanu article, and the hodge-podge "Focus, pacing, style, and interpretation" section. There is a lot of unsourced essay content there, that I simply can't bold-edit away myself (because editing from IP, and knowing what it likely will trigger). And good working alongside you today. Cheers. A former logging editor and Prof. 73.110.70.75 (talk) 05:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Cheers. I'll take another look. Binksternet (talk) 06:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
I restored the shorter plot section that I had copyedited. Per WP:NOVELPLOT, the plot section should not exceed 700 words. Per MOS:PLOT, the plot section is written in the narrative present, which is a change I enacted. If the plot is very briefly summarized elsewhere, for instance in the lead section, then this summary is written from the author's perspective. Binksternet (talk) 06:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
I support your redactive edits to move Tehanu away from its overly long Plot, to hit ca. 700 words. I would argue that the Plot now opens with a name of principle character only revealed with certainty later in the novel—at open, only hints appear tht the principle character is Tenar; she is identified as Goha. I think the Plot summary should use Goha, until the point in the narrative that it is revealed that Goha is the preceding novel's Tenar. (But I will not be the one to even partially revert your edit.) And still believe that the "Focus, pacing, style, interpretation" section should get your honing attention (for it contains a lot of unsourced editorial content). Cheers. 73.110.70.75 (talk) 10:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

808s & Heartbreak

It's look like MariaJaydHicky is genre warring in 808s & Heartbreak . TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 07:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Socking as a lifetime career. Binksternet (talk) 07:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Do we have research into what motivates LTAs? In this case someone made an attempt at some point User_talk:MariaJaydHicky2. Polygnotus (talk) 14:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
It would benefit the community greatly to know what is their motivation. We might be able to use that information to redirect their energies.
That particular discussion in your link showed that MJH was pleading innocent at the same time she was block evading with IPs and socks. Pop psychology suggests that this kind of lying comes from narcissism's disconnect with shame or guilt. Anna Frodesiak tried to guide MJH gently toward Wikia, but MJH ignored the hint. I don't know what we could say or do to get a narcissist to go away to spend their time elsewhere. Binksternet (talk) 17:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't have much faith in pop psychology. But would surprise me if no one has researched this topic yet. I'll ask around. Polygnotus (talk) 20:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thank you for your infinite patience when efficiently dealing with the Long-time abusers over at WP:AFC/R and at your own talk page. LR.127 (talk) 14:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! Appreciated. Binksternet (talk) 21:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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Interesting concept. I'll take advantage some day. Binksternet (talk) 01:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Appreciate it! GMH Melbourne (talk) 02:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Quick question

So there's this LTA by the name of User:MidAtlanticBaby who has been going around and copy-pasting some story usually attacking other editors or seeking attention from admins and whatnot, over and over and over again, across the help desk, teahouse and various other help forums or noticeboards (example diff). I've noticed that the "Demographics vandal" you've been dealing with lately also does something incredibly similar as well, where they repeatedly spam some big block of text on the help desk and/or teahouse, which all later have to be revdelled just like MAB's posts. I've never seen any of the posts by the demographics vandal for myself before, so I'm not exactly sure as to whether these two names are two different people or not. I'm quite very familiar with MAB but not so much with the demographics vandal. Anyway, can you confirm with me whether these are two different persons? That's all. Thanks! — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

The person I call the Demographics vandal is a complex case, with more than one area of interest. I wouldn't be surprised to find they have other disruptive behavior patterns than the ones listed at Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Demographics vandal.
I've seen some of the MAB disruption but I haven't studied it. I cannot confirm these are two different people. Binksternet (talk) 06:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
I see, got it. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Inquiry about an article created at the English language Vikidia

Good morning! My name is Christian, and I'm an administrator on the English language children's encyclopedia called Vikidia. This morning, an article has been created, by someone using your WP username, and it's about you.

Could I ask if you have authorised this, please? If not, the article will be deleted as a violation of BLP. It features material taken word for word, from your userpage here, and is unsourced.

Many thanks for your attention, Dane|Geld 09:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I did not authorize it. Thank you in advance for deleting it. Binksternet (talk) 14:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) DaneGeld, I see it has not been deleted yet, and the user "Binksternet" should surely be blocked. They have now made a second edit; note the edit summary. Bishonen | tålk 19:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
Thanks, I'll remove it now, and indef the creator. Sorry for the delay! Dane|Geld 19:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
To confirm, the user / vandal impersonating you at the English Vikidia has been indefinitely blocked for impersonation, our recent change logs indicate you did not authorise the article, and that too has been deleted and create protected to admin only. The userpage has been wiped, and the contents of the user's edit summaries have been suppressed within our logs.
I'd like to apologise for the delay in dealing with this, but I have been without internet for part of today, and been unable to get on here. If you ever wish to have a presence on the site, please leave a message on my talk page here, and I'll unlock the userpage and its associated talk, as well as unblock the account. With regards, Dane|Geld 20:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt action. I will consider your kind offfer. Binksternet (talk) 20:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Origin of the term "Lost Cause"

You're right that I did too much original research. I'll try to redo it referencing this source that has good info, including a section on the origin of the term and several of the sources I included. https://commons.emich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2444&context=theses That thesis suggests that Pollard might have picked up the term from an article in a rival Memphis paper in 11/16/1865, but I have a source that shows he used the term himself a day earlier than that. Pollard himself wrote in 1872 that he suggested the title to the publisher, but he was using the term himself even before the book was written. I don't have the Ulbrich book, but will try to get a copy. Brooklinehistory (talk) 21:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Cheers, and thanks for having a good attitude. Binksternet (talk) 22:51, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 174.208.225.98 (talk) 01:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC).

"Too specific" isn't a real standard. Don't randomly delete content without attempting discussion please.

Hi. This is regarding your deletion of the section on the Sonoma County, California page. There is a section on the talk page for discussion, but you did not participate, either before, during, or after your deletion. Although it appears to be a common practice to delete the edits and additions of newcomers, it is still against Misplaced Pages rules and guidelines. Please follow the rules. If you're going to assert that content should be deleted, discuss it on the talk page. I did that, multiple times in fact. I was very patient. I was very careful. I spent a lot of time, and did a lot of work. "Too specific" is not a real standard, and I do intend to revert your edit. Magnolia did in fact consistently blatantly and deliberately violate Misplaced Pages's rules. The fact that there was an actual torture ring conducted by the Sonoma County government is in fact notable, whether or not people think it should be covered up is irrelevant. The fact that the person who organized the lawsuit against the County for the torture ring in 2015 was shot in the face with a crowd control "stingball" grenade is also notable. Again, please respect Misplaced Pages's rules. I don't know how much simpler I can put it. Don't delete content without participating in discussion. There has been a section on the talk page for more than 18 months. I put it there, to give people a forum to discuss the sections that I eventually added, after diligence, and patience. 18 month old invalid arguments do not weigh on consensus. Bad faith deletions do not weigh on consensus. "Too specific" isn't even applicable, firstly, and secondly it's plainly not a real standard. It's not valid. The content is notable, and is properly sourced. Merely throwing in your hat with Magnolia to cover up extremely heinous acts of brutality because you personally want the article to read like a tourist brochure does not weigh on consensus. You need a valid reason. The fact that you didn't participate in the talk page seems to implicate a lacking thereof. The page is about the County. The content relates to the County and it is not reasonably disputable that it should be in the article, if the article is to be considered objective. The article is not a tourist brochure.Isonomia01 (talk) 11:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

History of Chinese Americans

I'm not going to revert your edit, but I will argue that the text added to History of Chinese Americans is inappropriate. Beyond the simple problems of bolding of headers, meta-analysis like " While the page currently focuses on the legislative details, it is essential to explore the broader social and political dynamics that led to its passage." is a discussion of the page and should be on the talk page, not in the article. I also suspect that quite a lot of that text is a copyvio and it has some fairly serious WP:NPOV issues. Can you take a closer look? Thanks, Opolito (talk) 07:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I'll look. I guess we had an edit conflict, but I didn't get a notice saying so. I thought the person's contribution was very flawed and so I removed the worst bits. You thought it was very flawed and removed all of it. I might end up agreeing more with your solution. Binksternet (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

WTF DUDE????

Dude Why TF are u reverting my edits. The video clearly is credible as MrBeast shows proof himself and u literally did not look at it HiGuys69420 (talk) 21:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I did look at it, and what I saw was some clowning around in the studio. But the single actually has MrBeast credited on Hi Hat, so you got me there. Binksternet (talk) 22:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Flag Icons for 1920's Time Magazine Covers

Is the flag icons next to names on the list of time magazine articles not the correct format? I saw you also removed the flags for the other covers as well. Bicufo (talk) 12:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

As I understand MOS:FLAG and Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Icons, the flag should only be used if the person is coming to the list as a representative of their country, for instance athletes coming to the Olympics would show the flag of the country they are competing for. If a list of people is not associated with official representation of the country, then flags are not appropriate. Or if multiple politicians got together to discuss world affairs, they might be shown with the flag they represent. The Time magazine cover is not an athletic competition and it's not a convention of international politicians. Binksternet (talk) 15:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to need some evidence for this claim

I am not "evading" anything. Now surely for you to accuse me of block evasion, you must have some real strong evidence, chief. Let's have it. 166.181.250.216 (talk) 22:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Sugar Bear/Archive which lists a ton of IPs in your range, and identical behavior. Binksternet (talk) 22:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Possible sock puppet of MariaJaydHicky

I don't know if this user is related to MariaJaydHicky, but it appears to be the case . TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 09:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I see gaming the system of protection by gaining autoconfirmed status then immediately reverting a protected page, in this case the Nicki Minaj bio four days after first registering, showing in this edit that the user has been here before the hip hop article was moved from Hip hop music to Hip-hop which happened on December 2. The user account was created on December 17, so if they were a completely new user, they would only know the hyphenated hip-hop link, and they wouldn't try and correct it. Binksternet (talk) 16:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Your recent edits make no sense.

The other day, I added the punk rock categories to the pages for speed metal and death metal, but you removed them. After reading the pages for those genres, I saw no mention of hardcore punk, so I removed them from the Hardcore punk template, but you added them back. What is the meaning of that? 2601:C7:C280:14C0:C9F4:40DD:A5FB:6428 (talk) 22:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Your genre edits have been based on looking around at other Misplaced Pages articles. I have pointed this problem out repeatedly to you, saying that other Misplaced Pages articles cannot be considered reliable per WP:USERG. Back in 2021 I advised you to read some musicology books instead, but you don't appear to be able or willing to do this. That's why I have a giant bug up my ass about your edits. Binksternet (talk) 04:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Like I said, though, the pages for speed metal and death metal say nothing about hardcore punk, nor does the page for progressive rock say anything about electronic rock. I've seen you revert my edits for similar reasoning. 2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27 (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Here you are again referring to Misplaced Pages pages as reliable sources. ARGHH. Binksternet (talk) 16:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
It was a lack of sources I was going on. 2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27 (talk) 17:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Various questions .. but for starters ..

Why would you revert the italicization of hazzan. And why do it with zero edit summary - do you really believe it to be vandalism? 184.153.21.19 (talk) 08:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

You added a borough right next to the note that says no boroughs. Binksternet (talk) 15:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Why if you disagree with that would you revert all of the other - I think facially proper - edits? And why without an edit summary. I thought we are supposed to use an edit summary, in particular when reverting non-vandalism (and of course where it is confusing as most of the material you reverted you have not mentioned you had a problem with). And (please tell me .. I'm just unaware of it) is there a rule against reflecting someone was born in Brooklyn? As we do in Sandy Koufax and Jay-Z and Michael Jordan and Joan Rivers? Also, less important I imagine, what is the thinking (Brooklyn is as large as many cities and has a character perhaps different than some of the other NYC boroughs), and will you delete Brooklyn from those bios as well? Thank you. --184.153.21.19 (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Template:Infobox_musical_artist#birth_place says to list the city. People have interpreted that to mean nothing below the city level, as some rappers were starting to list which neighborhood or even which apartment project. Local consensus at David Draiman was clearly and explicitly against listing the borough, so you would want to take the issue up with the frequent participants there. Binksternet (talk) 15:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 224, December 2024

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I forgot to ping you

Regarding this discussion. I know it sounds nuts, but you may want to withdraw Jane Fonda's Workout from the current GAN listing for nine months or so, because at that time it will be eligible for DYK for a second time in five years, per the new rules. Just something to consider. FWIW, if you decide to do that, I would be happy to review it at that later date. Viriditas (talk) 08:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I was away from the keyboard for too long to respond in time. Binksternet (talk) 01:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jane Fonda's Workout

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Now Yearbooks not announced

I have one concern. Why aren't the Now Yearbooks announced yet? Renebird100 (talk) 19:07, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Because they haven't got around to it? I don't know. If you're talking about this unsupported edit of yours with question marks for the year, then the answer is that you have not provided a supporting citation to show that Now Music is releasing another yearbook. It's too soon. Don't stick conjecture into the encyclopedia. Binksternet (talk) 15:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Correcting Mistakes On Misplaced Pages

I'm here to correct misinformation on here. 148.252.144.128 (talk) 19:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I'm upset with you for not taking corrections all the time any time every time for good today. I'm fed up. I correct misinformation here. 148.252.144.128 (talk) 20:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Since you are effectively banned because of a long history of abuse and block evasion detailed at Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Frenchie vandal, you cannot participate on Misplaced Pages at all. Your new IP range of Special:Contributions/148.252.144.0/21 will likely be blocked. Binksternet (talk) 20:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Binksternet I regret abusing Misplaced Pages when I wasn't thinking. 148.252.144.128 (talk) 20:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
I'm sorry for a long history of abuse and regret having a block envasion detailed at Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Frenchie vandal. 148.252.144.128 (talk) 21:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Disorder in the Falkands War

Happy New Year, Binks. Long time no talk. These pages:

All misspell Falklands in their titles. I tried to fix, but it looks to be above my paygrade.

Season’s cheer.  R/ the JMOprof ©¿©¬ 21:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Cheers to you and Happy New Year. Binksternet (talk) 21:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
Belated thanks. I forgot about the talk pages. Didn’t realize they were separate entities.
New topic: Isn’t one of your specialties Australian forces in World War 2?
 R/ the JMOprof ©¿©¬ 18:38, 8 January 2025 (UTC)
That has to be another dude. Binksternet (talk) 12:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
OK, Binks. Thanks.  R/ the JMOprof ©¿©¬ 16:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

Edward Furlong

If you had checked the article references and the talkpage before reverting, you would have seen that most of the biographical material is already in the existing cites. In particular the People Magazine article from August 1991. The point about his surname is re-confirmed in the interview link which I added to the references section. Which you also removed.

The other edits regarding his work are all already supported in the cited material and are nearly all minor copyedits for clarity and garmmar.

Please check your facts before editing or reverting other people's work. This is not the first time you have acted in this manner.

172.97.154.59 (talk) 23:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Keep the discussion centralized at Talk:Edward Furlong. Binksternet (talk) 23:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

2804:D45:962E:B900:8C3C:8A57:D4A6:AF18 adding death dates

Thanks for reporting that to AIV. I did some digging into the other IPs as well. They occupy a broad range: 2804:D45:9600:::0/40. I've seen primarily vandalism from that range for the past 3 years, adding death dates. Could you ping me when this recurs? I may want to consult with some other people to see what we should do to prevent future disruption, but I hesitate to put such wide range blocks down. — rsjaffe 🗣️ 00:10, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Will do.
The /40 range would be a good fit, with very little collateral damage. Binksternet (talk) 00:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
It appears that User:Rsjaffe went ahead with a /64 block which appears safe. But if you look at the /40 range, Special:Contributions/2804:D45:962E:B900:0:0:0:0/40, it appears there are some good edits in there. I didn't check if somethinng between a /40 and a /64 might work. EdJohnston (talk) 19:23, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Edit Warring

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Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. MrJ567 (talk) 04:58, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Frenchie Vandal

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/148.252.145.11

Can this IP's edits be mass reverted? Is it possible? Theofunny (talk) 19:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Yes and no. You can revert the IP per WP:EVADE, but you should look at the contribution and see whether it helps advance the encyclopedia. And if you simply revert the IP, you might leave previous Frenchie stuff in place, for instance at Draft:Serious Truth where I reverted a big group of Frenchie IPs at once rather than just reverting the latest one. Binksternet (talk) 19:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Is the Frenchie vandal serious on his promise to improve his behaviour on wikipedia? Theofunny (talk) 19:28, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
He has improved slightly in eight years; see Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Frenchie vandal for some examples of his past disruption. Many of the past disruptive patterns have been corrected. But his idea of improvement does not always fit with policy and manual of style. For instance, the Frenchie vandal recently changed "British" to "English" nationality for a Black person, which can be confusing because "English" can also refer to English people, the ethnicity which is of course light-skinned and called "White". If we say that the person holds British nationality then the confusion is absent. Binksternet (talk) 19:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Sorry. 148.252.132.217 (talk) 09:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Australian electrical engineers

I've started a discussion here for your info. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Engineering#Category:Australian_electrical_engineers. LibStar (talk) 00:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Dylan Florida

Just a heads up that he's active again today. I opened another SPI to hopefully get another rangeblock. . Home Lander (talk) 00:50, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Binksternet (talk) 01:52, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Killing Me Softly With His Song

Binksternet-- I can't get on the email you sent me to my other "wikipedia name" TBerman1963... so I'll just ask here... To the song "killing me softly with his song" page, there is a whole section trying to figure out exactly how the song came about. (This wikipedia page and youtube are the only places where this seems uncertain). Anyway, I found an actual video clip that appeared on national television, with the original person who sang the song explaining to Mike Douglas how it was written, in her own words. Why would you cut that out? The only reason to leave it out would be If the editor of the page felt it contradicted result he wanted. And that would not make for a very good historian. This is not me "Warring". This is me objectively helping. I don't know what your profession is but-- I know for certain you have no inside knowledge of this song or the process that took place- that's 100% correct--and regardless of what albums you mixed in Northern Calfirnia-- I don't think you even have any insight at all into theoretically how Hollywood or the music business works at this level-- that's also clear. So I'm giving you information right from the horse's mouth at the very time it happened-- not 25 yrs later, looking back. Marshalllevenstein1963 (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

I talked about this issue at Talk:Killing Me Softly with His Song#YouTube clip. You can see what I said, and share your own thoughts. Binksternet (talk) 17:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Outlawz

Hey! I’m the one who edited the Outlawz page if you check Young Noble’s instagram he clearly states that he’s retiring from the group and they are no longer a group! Thanks for fixing the image though didn’t mean to ruin that. VROTUP (talk) 07:04, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue 225, January 2025

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Removing the word studio

why do u keep removing the word studio 110.168.236.95 (talk) 01:41, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

I only remove it when it is not necessary, when removing it does not change the meaning. The reason is that I like to see concise text. Binksternet (talk) 04:42, 14 January 2025 (UTC)