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| : {{#ifeq:Misplaced Pages|Misplaced Pages|<span>|{{error:not substituted|GAR/result}} {{error|It should only be used for closing community reassessments.}}<span style="display:none;">}}{{#ifeq:{{PAGENAME}}|Good article reassessment/Murray Rothbard/1|]}} '''Result''': '''No consensus'''. This is a tough close to make. Consensus in August clearly favored delisting if revisions weren't made. Since that time, though, , making it unclear what if any comments apply to the new draft; only one editor returned to the discussion, !voting for keep. I'm therefore closing this as "no consensus" (by default, a keep). If reassessment of the new draft is needed, it seems logical for that to take place in a new GAR--and this time we'll keep an eye on it to make sure action is taken more promptly once a consensus is reached.</span> -- ] (]) 03:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC)<br/> | |||
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| I was hesitant to request this, but the page has been tagged for over two months now with multiple content concerns. Talk page discussions about these do not appear to be progressing to any near-term resolution. As a result there are significant concerns about the article meeting ] #2 (verifiability), #4 (neutrality) and #5 (stability). Maybe this reassessment will be the spur to get these issues taken care of, but if not, it should not continue to be portrayed as a "good article" if it doesn't meet the criteria. --] (]) 20:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC) | I was hesitant to request this, but the page has been tagged for over two months now with multiple content concerns. Talk page discussions about these do not appear to be progressing to any near-term resolution. As a result there are significant concerns about the article meeting ] #2 (verifiability), #4 (neutrality) and #5 (stability). Maybe this reassessment will be the spur to get these issues taken care of, but if not, it should not continue to be portrayed as a "good article" if it doesn't meet the criteria. --] (]) 20:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC) | ||
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| There's a lot more work to do on this article in order to present a fair and balanced description of Rothbard and his views. ]] 00:11, 13 August 2013 (UTC) | There's a lot more work to do on this article in order to present a fair and balanced description of Rothbard and his views. ]] 00:11, 13 August 2013 (UTC) | ||
| :Considering article probably was made a Good Article around 2007 , it would |
:Considering article probably was made a Good Article around 2007 , it would be surprising if in these days of tougher standards on sourcing and NPOV that it still was considered good. | ||
| :The main edit warring, by the way, has been related to those who constantly have done problematic edits or made dubious statements which have to be discussed ad |
:The main edit warring, by the way, has been related to those who constantly have done problematic edits or made dubious statements which have to be discussed ad nauseam on the talk page and at noticeboards, wasting the time of those trying to do NPOV edits. A perfect example is claiming that because an (assumedly) books.google search link includes a term that ''the author thinks is prejudicial'' (like "murray rothbard" and economist!) that the returns from that search should not be used!!! Let's just outlaw using books.google entirely, if that is an issue. And, of course, ''even if there was such an absurd rule'', one could always use such a search to find the material and then redo the search in the relevant book to make it more neutral on those occasions when it's relevant. (Like "Murray Rothbard" "king of the world" or whatever.) I've done it a number of times myself over the years. Hopefully we won't have to waste hours debating that point, holding up valid research. '''] ''' 14:07, 13 August 2013 (UTC) | ||
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| *Work is progressing on the biography, work that is expected to result in a much better article, one conforming to GA guidelines. ] (]) 20:56, 24 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| **{{u|RL0919}}, {{u|Binksternet}}, {{u|Carolmooredc}}, what's the status on this one? Has it been updated satisfactorily to close as keep? If not, what remains to be done? -- ] (]) 12:01, 25 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ***I think the article has stabilized sufficiently to keep its GA status. ] (]) 16:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
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Murray Rothbard
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- Result: No consensus. This is a tough close to make. Consensus in August clearly favored delisting if revisions weren't made. Since that time, though, massive revisions have indeed been made, making it unclear what if any comments apply to the new draft; only one editor returned to the discussion, !voting for keep. I'm therefore closing this as "no consensus" (by default, a keep). If reassessment of the new draft is needed, it seems logical for that to take place in a new GAR--and this time we'll keep an eye on it to make sure action is taken more promptly once a consensus is reached. -- Khazar2 (talk) 03:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
I was hesitant to request this, but the page has been tagged for over two months now with multiple content concerns. Talk page discussions about these do not appear to be progressing to any near-term resolution. As a result there are significant concerns about the article meeting GA criteria #2 (verifiability), #4 (neutrality) and #5 (stability). Maybe this reassessment will be the spur to get these issues taken care of, but if not, it should not continue to be portrayed as a "good article" if it doesn't meet the criteria. --RL0919 (talk) 20:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- Note that the WP:GAR guideline directs us to try and bring a GA quality level back to the article. The point is not to remove GA status (though this must be done if it does not improve) but to improve it sufficiently. Binksternet (talk) 23:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, this is my hope as well. I also wanted to let the disputes resolve themselves first, but they seem locked in. Maybe more eyes on the article will shake them loose. --RL0919 (talk) 23:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
- Note that the WP:GAR guideline directs us to try and bring a GA quality level back to the article. The point is not to remove GA status (though this must be done if it does not improve) but to improve it sufficiently. Binksternet (talk) 23:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
I would say the current defects of the article relate to the following GA criteria:
- it addresses the main aspects of the topic;and
- it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
There's a lot more work to do on this article in order to present a fair and balanced description of Rothbard and his views. SPECIFICO talk 00:11, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
- Considering article probably was made a Good Article around 2007 discussion here anyway, it would be surprising if in these days of tougher standards on sourcing and NPOV that it still was considered good.
- The main edit warring, by the way, has been related to those who constantly have done problematic edits or made dubious statements which have to be discussed ad nauseam on the talk page and at noticeboards, wasting the time of those trying to do NPOV edits. A perfect example is this absurd posting claiming that because an (assumedly) books.google search link includes a term that the author thinks is prejudicial (like "murray rothbard" and economist!) that the returns from that search should not be used!!! Let's just outlaw using books.google entirely, if that is an issue. And, of course, even if there was such an absurd rule, one could always use such a search to find the material and then redo the search in the relevant book to make it more neutral on those occasions when it's relevant. (Like "Murray Rothbard" "king of the world" or whatever.) I've done it a number of times myself over the years. Hopefully we won't have to waste hours debating that point, holding up valid research. User:Carolmooredc 14:07, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
- Update
- Work is progressing on the biography, work that is expected to result in a much better article, one conforming to GA guidelines. Binksternet (talk) 20:56, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
- RL0919, Binksternet, Carolmooredc, what's the status on this one? Has it been updated satisfactorily to close as keep? If not, what remains to be done? -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:01, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
- I think the article has stabilized sufficiently to keep its GA status. Binksternet (talk) 16:50, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
- RL0919, Binksternet, Carolmooredc, what's the status on this one? Has it been updated satisfactorily to close as keep? If not, what remains to be done? -- Khazar2 (talk) 12:01, 25 October 2013 (UTC)