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| == NPOV and gender pronouns == | |||
| == RE: Calling "attention to the problem publicly" == | |||
| Is the proposition "One ought to refer to people by their prefered pronouns" not a proposition Misplaced Pages should remain neutral towards according to NPOV? ] (]) 20:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ] reads ''Unless the case is really egregious, maybe the best thing is to call attention to the problem publicly, pointing the perpetrators to this page...(etc)'' | |||
| :Are there any reliable sources that indicate that ] people is useful discourse? Should we consider whether calling other users slurs is NPOV also? Not sure I understand the purpose of this question. ] (]) 09:42, 22 October 2023 (UTC) | |||
| This it means to me the first step is: discuss at the talk page per ], even start a new section on biased editing if necessary, quote the policy and list evidence of bias, like explicit biased statements by the editor. However, some editors will complain of personal attacks if you do it just once, not to mention if you need to do it again in that or another article. So any guidance on whether having to do it repeatedly because of ] is a problem. ''] - <small>]</small><big>🗽</big> 15:46, 30 May 2013 (UTC)'' | |||
| :Yes. | |||
| :I almost never mention editors by name, if possible. I just say that I rm "xxx" which has been replaced by "another" editor. I would like to explain my reasons here... New editors may not even respond. I would then call their attention to the discussion page on '''their''' page. No answer? Rm again. Then when replaced, announce on editor's page that s/he may discuss this on article's page, but if it happens again without first discussing, you will be (forced) to treat it as vandalism. Then proceed to do so, if editor fails to defend his/her edits. Escalating up through 3= reverts. Then notify an admin to block them. The main thing here is patience. It may take a week or two. The admin will note your caution with more pleasure than s/he will regard your speed! Keep the remarks npov. Don't respond to jibes, though it's okay to request ] '''please'''. Admins will look at your language if editing is not obvious. ] (]) 20:23, 4 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| ::I hve done it that way before and started that way with new couple editors, but then the editors started boasting about their POVs/academic credentials/blah blah and engaging in a lot of problematic behavior which had to be brought to noticeboards and then it became more relevant. I guess like anything else it's a judgement call - and can you defend that judgement if brought to task! '''] ''' 01:52, 5 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
| == What is ASF? == | |||
| Many moons ago, there was "a simple formulation" (abbreviated ]) which basically said, "assert facts and facts about opinions, not opinions"). This is generally adhered to, but it has been removed from the main NPOV page, and I think rightly so, because it speaks more to style rather than to philosophy. However, the section of the FAQ remains and is useful (and is still the link here). Referring to deprecated policy, however, is pretty poor form. So I tried to remove those references. What I found, though, was that in doing so there was missing a lot of the main explanations and clarifications that people coming to Misplaced Pages might benefit from seeing. So I did a major overhaul while attempting to keep all the content properly. | |||
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| I hope I did a good job, but I understand if someone got upset at my boldness. I do think that this is better than the previous way this was being written, but I'm just one guy and there are many who watch this page. | |||
| As it stands right now ] stands for "ASsert Facts" rather than "A Simple Formulation". ] might be nice to redirect here too as ] takes a slightly different angle on the subject (more philosophical, less stylistic). | |||
| ] (]) 14:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC) | |||
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NPOV and gender pronouns
Is the proposition "One ought to refer to people by their prefered pronouns" not a proposition Misplaced Pages should remain neutral towards according to NPOV? 212.55.46.63 (talk) 20:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Are there any reliable sources that indicate that misgendering people is useful discourse? Should we consider whether calling other users slurs is NPOV also? Not sure I understand the purpose of this question. Ashvio (talk) 09:42, 22 October 2023 (UTC)