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			== Patrick Ogunsoto ==
	You may wish to review the ], ], and ], as well as the ] and ] pages.

			Please do not but prod tags back to articles after they have been contested. If you wish to delete this article, take it to AfD. ] 11:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
	Here are some helpful links:
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			== Deletion process ==
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			Kyriakos,
	Hope to see you around the Wiki! If you have any questions whatsoever, feel free to contact me on my ] :) </div>
	] 17:34, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

			I'm glad you dropped by with a question rather than get into an ] over deletion tags.
	==Thanks, re. European Results==

			You have the "right" to nominate a biographical article for speedy deletion under ] criteria if the article does "not assert the importance or significance of its subject." For example, if the article gave the birthdate and said he was a businessman, that would fall under no '''assertion''' of notability. However, if there is additional information, for example that he is a ] or business owner, then on some level, there is an assertion of some notability. If you nominate an article for speedy deletion and another editor disagrees with your nomination, for example, feels that there is notability, it is acceptable for that editor to remove the tag, while leaving a comment about why the tag was removed. A simple explanation in the edit summary should be sufficient. If you still question the notability, you may return and nominate the article under ]. (From the ] — "If the assertion is disputed or controversial, it should be taken to AfD instead.")
	Hi there! Thanks for your advice about the European Cup articles, it's appreciated! Regarding errors, I used to use the as my main source but they're actually not as good as they should be, and I've discovered a more detailed list of results at whihc I now mostly use. Although I am able to cross-reference them with other sources, sometimes it's not always obvious which club is being refered to, particularly if they have folded, merged or have a similar name - for instance, on UEFA the difference between Athletic Bilbao and Atlético Madrid is often rather unclear. If you do see any more mistakes, please do correct them - I think I have been mostly right! The club names I'm using are all from the ] wikipage, so they should link OK even if the name is slightly different; for instance, your Újpesti TE example does link to Újpest FC, but it is the former name that is on the list so I use that for consistancy.

			When there is an assertion of notability, and if you feel that the subject is not sufficiently notable to have an article on Misplaced Pages — see ] — you have two choices:
	You're quite correct about the Yugoslav flag being most appropriate. I hadn't noticed it had a star on it - the reason I had previously been using the Serbia and Montenegro flag is because the latter is in {{}} brackets like all of the others, whereas the former is only available in square brackets making it harder to edit from a template. I will use the Yugoslav flag from now on.
			#] ({{tl\|prod}}) or
			# ] (AFD).
			To determine which one to use, review the article history. If it has previously been tagged with a speedy tag or with a prod tag, and the tag has been removed, then this indicates that the lack of notability is disputed, so AFD is the appropriate route.

			As in the case of speedy delete tags, with a {{tl\|prod}} tag, any editor may dispute it and remove the tag, as above. So, any further nomination for deletion should be done through AFD.
	Thanks again for bringing this to my attention - if you see any other mistakes please do correct them, or if I'm still repeatedly making the same error, drop us another message. Cheers, ] 16:22, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
	==Differenet Parallels==
	Kosovo should be independent, seperate from both Serbia and Albania owing to it's history and the recent bloodshed. Serbia sent in troops to viciously put down the Muslims, British Troops in Northern Ireland viciously attacked Catholics in Northern ireland - Granted, the Serbs killed far more people, but your parallel is false. Northern Ireland is a leftover from the British era of colonisation. The Majority of British people do not want it. The Republic of Ireland has been independent from Britain for a short time, why should the republic be free and not the other six counties? Unlike Serbia, The Republic of Ireland does not have a history of attempted Ethnic Cleansing of religious Minorities. --]\<sup>]</sup> 10:27, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
	: A northern Ireland independent of the UK and Éire, Yeah, I'd support that. Northern Ireland, as a different and seperate entity from the rest of the Island is a new phenomenon. The same is not true of Kosovo, which was part of the Byzantine Empire, the Muslim Ottoman Empire and Conquered by the Christian Serbs. Serbia has existed without Kosovo for hundreds of years. --]\<sup>]</sup> 11:26, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

			In the specific case of ], the shows that after you nominated it for speedy, the tag was removed and a reason given for the removal of the tag. You again speedy tagged it with a more appropriate tag (A7). (However, in this case, I would have moved to AFD, rather than push the speedy tag. In addition, please keep in mind ], re: "haha".) The speedy tag was removed with explanation in the edit history (did not meet ] (Criteria for speedy deletion)). This is acceptable. You then nominated it with a {{tl\|prod}} tag, which should have been AFD instead, as the nominiation was disputed by virtue of removal of the tag, etc. TruthbringerToronto's actions in this case were acceptable and he did provide explanation in the edit summary. AFD is where community consensus is sought to determine whether the article should be deleted.
	== Re: Flag of Cyprus ==

			Hope this helps.
	I had replaced it because the gif image (]) says that it's now available on Commons as ], which I took to mean it's been replaced by that. The svg one was also the one used on ]. Also, the gif had the obvious problem of the background being transparent, instead of white. Is it just the size of the svg image that's incorrect, or are there other problems with it? --] 21:30, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
			— ] (]) 17:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

			:P.S. The policy on PROD is very clear: See ] — "Contested deletions: If anyone, including the article's creator, removes ] from an article for any reason, '''do not put it back'''...". The page on ] provides the full information about the policy. It would be a good idea to fully familiarize yourself with the three different deletion processes by reading the policies.
	==Your foolishness==
			:— ] (]) 18:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
	I have seen your userpage. It is foolishness! The two-state solution will never work. Do you think the yehudi will ever allow an independent home for the falastiniya? ] 01:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
	:This user has been blocked indefinitely. Apparently he's a sockpuppet of another user. I think he was just trying to bait you. ] 01:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

			::'''Reminder: Please use ] as was indicated ].''' — ] (]) 18:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Help needed ==

			== Notability questions ==
	Hey. Would you please be able to help me out on ]? ] is reverting again, and I don't want to violate the 3RR. Thanks. --] 21:02, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

			The issue of ] — the criteria are specific to the sport/region/country, etc. For example, an athlete who has represented their country in the ] would generally be considered to be notable. For U.S. sports such as ], ], and ], a player who is signed to a professional team is generally considered to be notable. In the case of ], generally, in ] on the national team or signed to ] would be notable. ] of a team does not refer to physical ], but rather to the second dictionary definition, specifically "respect coming from achievement or development".
	== The wrong category guy ==

			Since your general interest seems to be with respect to football players, I've directed my comments specifically to that issue. I hope this helps. If you have further questions, come back to my talk page and ask. — ] (]) 20:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
	Hi KRBN
	I agree, it is incredibly frustrating. I don't know if another warning might help. I'll look through the procedures for reporting vandalism, and keep an eye out. If he does it again, we'll have no choice but reporting him. Best regards. --] 20:30, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

			== Your edits to ] ==
	: He's at it again. I've reported him. --] 23:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
	==Image copyright problem with Image:Olympiakos.gif==

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			You recently removed the statement: "It is the only Cypriot team to have managed to win a European trophy" from the ] article. You did not leave an ] to provide an explanation. Is this a false statement? Why did you remove it? — ] (]) 20:38, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
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	Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. You can get help on image copyright tagging from ]. -- ] 22:09, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

			You recently removed the ] from the ] article. By virtue of the {{tl\|hoops-team-stub}}, the article will be in the ], which is a subcategory of Basketball teams. However, when/if the article is expanded and the stub tag removed, it will no longer be in that subcategory. It is correct to leave the ] in the article. — ] (]) 16:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
	: I noticed that the Olympiacos logo already has been uploaded (without the three starts), see ]. If you still want to keep the image, the appropriate copyright tag is <code><nowiki>{{logo}}</nowiki></code>. Please write why the image is needed on the image description page. If you don't think it is needed anymore, please post it at WP:IFD. Best regards. --] 08:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

	== A ~~comment~~ of ~~yours?~~ ==		== WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology ==

			Since you are interested in ] and ] I would like to inform you that the ] has just been created. Why not take a look? I hope you can join. ] 21:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
	Hello, was signed with your name but written by an anon. Is it from you, accidentally logged out? Or someone impersonating you? ]/<small>'']''</small> 16:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

			== ilektroniko taxidromio==
	==Template==
			ean exeis xrono (epeidi ine terastio) thes na mou doseis ena xeri? ] 13:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
	Just give me a few minutes to check. ] ] 11:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
	:It appears to be the last couple of edits. I'm not sure what you were tyring for so I can't really help too much. I went back two edits and the template looks OK but it may not be what you were aiming for. Let me know. ] ] 12:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
	::The English one uses ]. From what I understand, you would need to create ]. ] ] 12:24, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
	:::You might want to try ] as he was the one that created it. I'm not to good at templates myself. ] ] 12:47, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
	=== Football template ===
	Whoah! You've got a lot of userboxes... but anyway... I'm not terribly skilled with templates, but I'm having a look. <br/>]]<span class="plainlinks"></span> 12:01, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

			==TONY ESOPI===
	== Greetings Friend ==
			Giati ; ekanes to Achaia Football Guild Union http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Achaia_Football_Guild_Union&redirect=no Redirect page sto "Panachaiki" , GIA PIO LOGO;; XORIS SIZITISI ;;; ETSI GOYSTARIS ;;; TI IDIOKTISIA SOY INE I VIKIPEDEIA KE OTI GOYSTARIS KANEIS ;;;

			Γεια σου Τόνυ με τα ωραία σου. Στενοχωρήθηκες που σου έσβησε τη δουλειά, αλλά μην του πάρεις και το κεφάλι. Και εγώ νομίζω ότι έκανε λάθος, αλλά το κείμενο με τα κεφαλαία γράμματα δε χρησιμεύει σε τίποτα, μόνο να τον τσαντίσεις, κάτι που δεν εξυπηρετεί κανένα. Χαιρετισμούς κρβν με τα άπειρα user-κουτάκια....βαρεμένος κι εσύ βλέπω...και για τα καλά μάλιστα...--] 21:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
	I applaud your efforts to spread the truth about Cyprus here in Misplaced Pages. I hope that in the very near future we can help each other write some new articles and/or make a list of articles about Cyprus that should be written. Εφχαριστο. Ο αγωνας της Κυπρου ειναι αθανατη.(] 04:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC))

			==TONY ESOPI==
	:Hello again. thelo na sou po oti o A Garnet einai karakiozis kai ego prepei na eimai pio prosektikos. Autos einai antipalos ton Kyprion kai mporeis na to deis sto User contributions. Actions speak louder than words. I apologize for the Talk page here but I had to do it. prepei na me doun san impartial person . Prospathouse na valli POV gia karakioslikia. Again I appologize.(])

			Δεν έχω σκοπό να του πάρω το κεφάλι,αν και θα έπρεπε.΄
	==Really a Greek?==
			Δεν ξέρω καλά αγγλικά αλλά απο ότι καταλαβαίνω θέλης να διαγράψης το άρθρο . Γιατί;;;Πρέπει να έχεις πρόβλημα εκεί μέσα μάλον.Και είσαι απαράδεκτος δεν απαντάς κιόλας να μας πείς την γνώμη σου , αλλά και γιατί το κάνης, έχεις κάποιο κόμπλεξ με την Αχαία ;;;.Δεν βρίσκω άλλον λόγω και αιτία.
	The difference between a Greek and a Cypriot is that a GREEK can be concerned about the fate of the Patriarchate of Constantinople, the Pontus Greeks and genocides, the ethnic cleansing and exproptiations of the Istanbul, Imvros and Tenedos Greeks, the survival of the Greeks in Jerusalem and the areas around it, the pressures on the Aegean, the Macedonian issue. A CYPRIOT is educated to be interested in Cyprus (that is natural); but the ROC 'Koumbarokratia' (group on inter-related political, business and family interests) that run Cyprus and dominate the Cypriot diaspora, are not good for Greece. They push on Greece, on the Greeks and on the Diaspora nothing but the Cyprus issue - everything must be about them; on occasions one senses that those Cypriots are indifferent, if not hostile to the fate of Greece. As some prominent figures in Athens comment, the Republic of Cyprus is tight-fisted (tsingounides), it tends to use, abuse and exploit financially, diplomatically and militarily the Greek state, it exploits the military occupation and it exploits the ponos (pain), hopes and justified fears of ordinary Greek Cypriots.

			==ΤΟΝΥ ΕΣΟΠΙ==
	As for the invasion, this is the situation: the Turkish army, following the Treaty of Guarantee, intervened in Cyprus, in July 1974. Within a few months, it was obvious that the Republic and Greece enjoyed stable democratic institutions, so it became obvious that the Turkish military presence was no longer justified; therefore, what could initially be justified as an intervention became, an illegal military occupation. In international parlance, the continued presence constitutes an invasion. The Turkish Cypriots felt (and arguably still feel) safe with that presence; this does not legalize the presence of 35,000 troops. A solution was offered in April 2004, backe by the UN, US, Ankara, former Presidents Clerides and Vassiliou, Greece, as especially the EU. It was sunk by the Koumbarokratia; result: the troops stay, the north does not know where it stands, Greek Cypriot pain remains and the south just keeps getting richer and on the back of the EU, Greece and the north. Efharisto for your attention for what must be quite a flawed answer.] 13:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
			Καταρχήν δεν είναι αγροτικο πρωτάθλημα, απο αυτό και μόνο φαίνετε η ασχετοσύνηση σου,και οτι υπάρχει άλλος λόγος που το κάνεις. Το ότι δεν σε ενδειαφέρη εσένα να μάθης τι γίνετε στο ερασιτεχνικό ποδοσφαιρο της Ελλάδας και της Αχαίας δεν σημαίνη ότι δεν ενδειαφέρη και τους άλλους.Κια κάτι που για σένα είναι γελείο για κάποιον άλλον μπορεί να είναι σημαντικό. Είχα σκοπο να γράψω όλα τα αντίστοιχα άρθρα απο την Ελληνική Βικιπαίδεια.Δηλαδή είναι σημαντικό να υπάρχουν όλες οι Αγγλικές ερασιτεχνικές λίγκες και άλλων χωρών και όχι οι Ελληνικές ;;;;;
			Ωραίος Έλληνας είσαι. Μήπως δεν είσαι ;;;

			==Cyprus city/village Infobox==
	Referendum: Clerides and Vassiliou negotiated for this pland and backed it. AKEL backed it and then made a bafling U-turn 24 hours before the vote. The contents of the plan had been outlined as far back as and the Boutros Ghali set of proposals (1992?); it had been re-outlined by Hannay in Bruges (or Brussels) in the late 1990s. Under Clerides, the Annan was becoming safe. But under Papadopoulos, in the vocal opinion of many, Nicosia intentionally went all out to make sure that the plan was as unacceptable as possible to the GC side. He and his koumbarokratia did not want it to pass or to be turned down by a small majority; they wanted a giga-majority against it and then hide behind the EU. So, yes, in many aspects it was unacceptable, but it is ROC diplomatic duplicity (and sabbotage?) that made it so. Besides, with Annan under the belt, Cyprus the whole island would have been in the EU. The EU! A new era would have begun within the EU. Greek Cypriots could be leaving their stamp in the north and in Turkey. But it seems that the koumbarokratia only feels safe, important and prosperous in the current status quo.] 17:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
			Hi, i agree with your alteration of the ] article, but have you the know-how to create a special infoBox for Cyprus? i Have tried myself, but failed miserably... ] 17:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

			==--] 17:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)==
	Just a quick ps, if any of these comments offend ordinary Greek Cypriots, put it down to the clumsiness of the language used, not to the sentiments of their author.] 17:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
			Αυτα που λές δεν στέκουν πουθενά είναι παράλογα,Έχεις κάοια κακία για την Αχαία ή κάποιο κόμπλεξ αυτή την εντύπωση δείνης συνεχώς,Καταρχήν σε λέω άσχετο γιατί δεν έχει καμία σχέση το Κυπριακό πρωτάθλημα με το Ελληνικό δεν στέκι η σύγκριση που κάνεις, Το πόσο γνωστός είναι ο Φωστήρας άσε να ξέρουν αυτοί που ασχολούνται με το ποδόσφαιρο εσύ απο την στιγμή που δεν ασχολείσε δεν δικαιούσε να κρίνης κιόλας το πόσο τον ξέρουν στην Ελλάδα,Γιατί αν ασχολιόσουν θα τον ήξερες.Δεν συγκρίνονται το κυπριακό αγροτικό πρωτάθλημα με τα πρωταθλήματα των Ελληνικών ποδοσφαιρικών ενώσεων απο την στιγμή που τα συγκρίνης συνγνώμη αλλά είσαι άσχετος.
			Τώρα αυτό που λές ότι θα μου σβήνης τα άρθρα , με απειλής;;;;.Αυτό και μόνο δείχνη ότι είσαι κομπλεξικός , Εγώ δεν ξαναασχολούμε μαζί σου αλλά αν συνεχείσης ,απλά θα απευθύνομαι σε αυτούς που πρέπει στην Βικιπαίδεια.

	You lost me on Iraq. Anyhow, I think that we both desire the same thing: that Cyprus is not dominated by Ankara. But we choose different paths. I believe in the historical ability of Greeks (be they from Thessaloniki, Istanbul or Nicosia) to blossom in southeast Europe, Anatolia and the Middle East; to live in a dynamic region with all their traditional neighbours. On the other hand, the koumbarokratia wants to keep everything as it is: no new blood, and to prevent young GC from having an impact on the region. They want total control. Perhaps they are doing the right thing (Hellenism moves and survives in mysterious ways) but I am not convinced and I wish Annan had gone through.] 18:09, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

			==] restored==
	== Paphos District ==

			This article has been restored after its deletion was contested at ]. As you nominated the article to be deleted via ], you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at ]. --]<sup>]</sup> 23:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
	Hi KRBN,

			:* As you have probably realised by now your feeble attempt to get ] deleted has failed spectacularly. You and your alias (Moutalos) were the only ones who voted for deletion and even the users who you invited to support you, in the end voted against you. You have wasted everyone’s time again so I would suggest that in the future you concentrated on contributing more constructively. I have also noticed that you have deleted several notable articles in the past in a stealth manner simply by redirecting them elsewhere. Just to let you know that I will be monitoring your actions closely to make sure that you do not interfere again in a detrimental way. ] 01:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
	I'm a bit puzzled about your edit to ]. You write that it is the only district entirely controlled by internationally recognized government of Cyprus. What about Lemesos? Or were you thinking about the Akrotiri Base? Best regards --] <sup>]</sup> 22:50, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

			== ==
	== Fair use ==

			Trawling for votes/opinions is considered highly improper, bordering on vandalism. Please do not persist in this behaviour, you risk being accused of vandalism. ] 14:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
	Read ]. Club logos can't be used like national flags. Citing other pages where they are is not a valid argument. <span style="font-family: Verdana;">] • ]</span> 18:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

	== Football in ~~Cyprus~~ ==		== Regarding Achaia Football Clubs Article ==

			Just a heads up; it is apparently against Misplaced Pages policy (which I was unaware of) to go around asking for support on votes so be careful, don't get yourself in trouble. If you could find out how to go about reporting such behaviour, however, you could perhaps report the others who are doing this that you were concerned about. Regardless, don't worry about whether or not there are fewer 'delete' votes for this article. A common misconception is that the Articles for Deletion are votes; they are not. Administrators who come through and decide whether or not to delete an article after its five days on the AfD do NOT tally the votes, rather they take into account the arguments on each side and decide in favor of which side made the better case. There could only be 2 people calling for deletion and 10 calling for keeping the article and the administrator could decide to delete. The people who are simply saying 'keep' and nothing else are adding nothing and will not be taken into account. No need to get others to come and 'vote' to delete; if our arguments are more valid and show how the article violate Misplaced Pages policy the administrators will act accordingly. --] 17:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
	I have sorted out your template, please leave messages on my talk page, not my user page. <span style="font-family: Verdana;">] • ]</span> 19:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
	==Image copyright problem with Image:Kantara19.jpg==
	Thanks for uploading ]. The image has been identified as not specifying the copyright status of the image, which is required by Misplaced Pages's policy on images. If you don't indicate the copyright status of the image on the image's description page, using an appropriate ], it may be deleted some time in the next seven days. If you have uploaded other images, please verify that you have provided copyright information for them as well.

			:Yes, you might want to read ].--] 23:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
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			Τι πάθαμε όλοι μ'αυτό το μικρο-ομαδίδιο? Τι πρόβλημα υπάρχει? Άστο κει το κακόμοιρο, τί σε πειράζει? Τέλος πάντων, νομίζω ότι έχουμε όλοι μας πολύ σοβαρότερα θέματα να ασχοληθούμε... ] 23:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
	==Cyprus-geo-stub==
	Hi -
	I note you've recently created a new stub category. Did you realise that stub categories should normally be cleared by ] before creation? That way they can be vetted to check that there are a viable number of stubs (in the case of geography stubs, a threshold of 65 is used), that the category does not cross the existing stub hierarchy before the stub is created, and that the templates and categories follow the naming guidelines for stub types.

			:Παρεπιπτόντως, και αφού είδα τα παραπάνω μηνύματα, ρίξε μια ματιά ] και μετά . ] 23:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
	If you can provide any information on why the stub was created, please add a note to entry for the stub at ] giving the reason for it. In addition, if there is any Wikiproject associated with the stub add that information. Thanks.

			== Ισαάκ/Σολωμού ==
	In the case of this stub, it conforms well with the stub hierarchy, and has been fixed so as to work with the other stub types, but at the last tally of geography stubs (two weeks ago) there were only 43 geography stubs relating to Cyprus. As such it was about 15th in line for the creation of a stub template, and not really of sufficient size to automatically receive its own geo-stub. It was close enough to it, however, that this template is not likely to be automatically taken to ]. If you wish to make any future stub templates or categories, please follow the stub creation guidelines and propose them first. ]...''<small><font color="#008822">]</font></small>'' 01:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
			Γεια! Απλή απορία μην το παρεξηγήσεις, δολοφονία είναι μόνο αν κάποιος είναι αξιωματούχος;--] 19:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
	:''I have created this stub because in the category cyprus stubs there was a template which was saying: "This category is maintained by WikiProject: Stub sorting.
	Please propose new stub categories here before creating fresh categories and templates." I just followed this instruction. (i was 81.4.163.134) but unfortunatelly my purpose was deleted by the rever of ].''
	:''As for wikiproject, see ] and then see how big is cyprus stub, which is a mess.''
	Well, the reversion of your edit to WP:WSS/P was wrong (and probably an accident), but it still wouldn't have told us anything - all it said was "See cyprus-stub". Cyprus-stub leads to a small stub category - they're generally only split when they have about 600 stubs or more in them. We've still got some waiting to be split with over ''2000'' stubs. A category with only 200 or so stubs is not really an urgent split at all. And it certainly isn't a mess - it's actually a very reasonable category and quite nicely maintained, by the looks of it. If you want to see the sort of category that ''does'' qualifty as a mess needing urgent splitting, you should have a look at some of the categories on ]. ]...''<small><font color="#008822">]</font></small>'' 11:06, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

			== jjik ==
	:''"This category is maintained by WikiProject: Stub sorting. Please propose new stub categories here before creating fresh categories and templates." I just followed the instructions in cyprus-stub category. see what it writes there''
	Well, exactly. You should have done just that. What you did was go to WP:WSS/P and say "see Cyprus-stub". Saying "see Cyprus-stub" doesn't tell us anything - it certainly isn't making a proposal to create a new stub - it's simply telling us to look at a category which looked perfectly acceptable and didn't need any changes. If you'd actually ''proposed'' a new stub, even if only by saying "I think we need a cyprus-geo-stub because there are a lot of geo-stubs relating about Cyprus", then at least it would have been some sort of proposal. In any case, if the propsal was removed from the page, why didn't you replace it? There's no way of us debating a proposal if it's not on the page to debate! ]...''<small><font color="#008822">]</font></small>'' 12:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

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			Καλημέρα και καλα χριστούγεννα. Εγώ είμαι ευγενικός μαζί σου και ας μου δημιούργησες πρόβλημα. έχω μάθη ότι ξέρης τούρκικα . είναι αλήθεια ;;; θέλω να με βοηθήσεις να μου μεταφράσεις κάποιες λέξεις. --]] 13:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

	Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me, or ask them at the ]. Thank you. ] (]) 13:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

			Καλή χρονιά . Οι Κύπριοι χρήστες το λένε ότι ξέρης Τούρκικα, Πρόβλημα δεν υπάρχη , αλλά εγώ θα σε προσέχω γιατί είσαι άμυιαλος, χωρίς παρεξήγηση με την καλή ένοια το λέω. Τα τούρκικα τα θέλω και θέλω και την γνώμη σου ,Θέλω να βάλω στην ελληνική Βικιπαίδεια τα πρωταθλήματα των τουρκοκυπρίων και δεν μπορώ να μεταφράσω όλα τα ονόματα των ομάδων. Θέλω την γνώμη σου για να το κάνω ή όχι, και την βιηθειά σου βέβαια. Στην ελληνική βίκι που ρώτησα κάποιους συμφώνησαν ένας κύπριος που ρώτησα δεν μου απάντησε καθόλου.Επειδή εδώ δεν μπαίνω συχνά μπορείς να μου στέλνης μυνήματα και στην Ελληνική που είμαι κάθε μέρα εκεί. --]] 15:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
	== ] ==

			Καλημέρα. Αυτά έχω κι εγώ. Κάποια ονόματα τα ξέρω κάποια άλλα όχι δεν μπορώ να τα μεταφράσω. Σε αυτό που λες έχεις δίκιο είναι άγνωστο πρωτάθλημα όσο τόσο όπως το λές όμως. Στην Βικιπαίδεια δεν υπάρχει το έχω ψάξη πουθενά σε καμία γλώσσα. Θα το αφήσω και βλέπουμε στο μέλλον.--]] 11:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
	Please don't remove {{tl\|cfr}} tags from categories while the rename discussion is still ongoing — if you wish to comment on the proposal, you can do so at ]. Cheers — ] ] 08:11, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

			==Vandalism==
	== Inter Bratislava and Spartak Hradec Králové ==

			Please be careful as to how you use that word. Vandalism means inserting "fuck you" into an article, it doesn't cover content disputes. Please read my edit-summaries, "Turkish" doesn't mean "from Turkey". It is an ethnic designation. Do not remove relevant cats, like METU alumni, or interwikis, or info that needs to be there per ], like birth dates and places etc. Cheers! ] 20:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
	Spartak is a czech football club and cant be a former name of "Inter Bratislava" --] 21:34, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

			:Please read my note above again. If your reasoning is correct, then there is no reason they should be included under "Cypriot etc" either, they are not citizens of the Republic of Cyprus, right? That's all. In any case, you are erasing a lot of important and relevant information, even interwikis. In fact, it is so much that even the VandalBot reverted you. Please be careful with 3RR as well. Please see ] as well. Thanks. ] 20:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
	== Re ] ==

			::I don't have a problem with them being under "Cypriot X". And do not politicize this issue as if you are trying to get one over someone :) I don't give a rat's ass about Denktash's grandsons. I have three passports, so what? The so-called "KKTC"? :) Well, it looks like I am not the one politicizing this issue. Nevertheless, the problem is you are deleting a lot of information that needs to be there. No, the VandalBot reverted you because you also deleted interwikis, alumni cats etc. Please read ] if you have not done so yet, do not erase information that needs to be there. You erased a whole birthdate and place information from one of the biographies. ] 20:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
	I'm sorry, but you must be mistaken. I reverted your placing of a speedy deletion tag on ] (assuming you are ]). I was later involved in discussion (]), and left a message requesting that you use edit summaries to explain why you were deleting the categories. ] later blocked you for an hour after you continued to remove the categories without explaining your reasoning. I am not a sysop, and if you look at , you will notice that the only two people who have blocked you have been ] and ]. ] <small>(],],])</small> 08:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

			:::You didn't explain this , however. Not only you removed info that ''needs'' to be there per ], you even removed the interwiki to Turkish Misplaced Pages!! If I wasn't assuming good faith, I would be suspecting some serious POV pushing there. Then you accuse me of being a vandal, give me a break man... ] 21:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
	== Sockpuppetry Warning ==

			:::Nor this , where you removed METU alumni category, or this where you even removed the Living people category, along with his birthdate and birthplace, that also is required to be there per Misplaced Pages policies. As I said, if I wasn't assuming good faith, I would be suspecting some serious sneaky POV pushing. Please do not make such disruptive edits in the future. Thanks. ] 21:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
	] Please stop using the sockpuppet ] to obscure the source of your contributions. Although you left an unsigned comment on my talk page, I traced your account through the edit history. Please see ]. Thank you ] 23:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

			::::No, it's ok, I have no problem with "Cypriot X" category. :) I hear your reasoning and as long as you are only going to modify the categories, then it's fine with me. In any case, I don't have much time to devote to this unfortunately. Cheers! ] 21:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
	== Turkish Cypriots ==

			== Copyvio ==
	Since you claim to be against racism, how can you remove the references to bias against Turkish Cypriots in Football (Soccer) as it has been documented that Turkish Cypriot sportsmen had always been discriminated against in all sports (and this is before the events of 1963 and 1974)? Is this something you can properly challenge me on, or is it the ingrained Greek/Greek-Cypriot hatred of the Turkish Cypriots speaking here? Oh, and by the way, I do support the recognition of the TRNC. ]

			Yes, because of the text, most of it was lifted straight from the UEFA site without permission and constitutes a ]. The only appropriate thing to do is to rewrite the article completely, from the beginning. ] 18:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
	Temper, Temper! That is not the language to use on Misplaced Pages. That type of ranting with profanity can get you blocked. In any case, your answer confirmed a suspicion that I have had for a while: Greeks are too hard-headed to see any side of an argument but their own. When I made my decision about whose side to support, at least I looked at both arguments carefully before making my decision. If you are against racism, then how can you stand the treatment of minorities in Greece by the Greek majority? Albanians, Turks, Macedonians, and Bulgarians are given a pretty raw deal in Greece despite the international conventions that the Hellenic Republic signed on to. There's a word for that: Hypocrisy. You might like to look up that word in the dictionary sometime. And while I don't deny the excesses of TMT, EOKA, and EOKA-B were not exactly boy scouts either. The bottom line is that if people cannot live together, then partition is the only answer.
	]]

			:Same goes for ] and ]... <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 21:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
	My birth-nation - New Zealand - fought with Greek military forces in Mainland Greece and Crete against the Nazis in world war 2 (and a lot died). I know about the U.S. support for the Military Junta in the early '70's, and I do not approve of that (and I did not vote for President Bush either, by the way). But I also do not approve of attempts to annex Cyprus to Greece. The Enosis dream is still alive and well. You government praises those (EOKA) who forced out Turkish Cypriots from Government and their homes in 1963 and kept them in enclaves until that coup in 1974. Turkish Cypriots have every right to live in peace and security, and if the Cypriot Government was unwilling to do that, then partition was the only way to avoid ethnic cleansing and wholesale murder, which is what would have happened had Sampson succeeded.
	If people started thinking themselves as Cypriot first, then perhaps things could have worked, but when your country prefers flying the Greek Flag over the Cypriot one, and when your President stops any attempt at reconciliation (see the Annan Plan), then it sounds to me like it's the Northern Cypriots who are the wronged party. I say NO to Enosis, NO to the embargo. ]
	P.S., Why is your National Anthem the same as Greece's? I don't think its a co-incidence...

			== Turkish Cypriot politicians ==

			Turkish Cypriots just like the Turks of Turkey, unlike Greek Cypriots and Greeks who are European, are of Asian descent and therefore Asians. That is why I changed the category, despite the fact that Turkish Cypriot MPs are observers in the European Council and Parliament and other European organizations.
	User KRBN, stop talking lot of crap and read some real facts instead of spitting out the fictious lies you were tought at the Greek Cypriot schools, your Church and your parents. You yourself have mentioned above that EOKA fighter joined EOKA B and murdered Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. But then you mention that EOKA is seen as heroes and not the murdering swines that they were. Your own government is run by the old EOKA, T/Paps was and EOKA murderer who murdered men, women and children not only Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots who were against ENOSIS but they also murdered the British too. All this was done in the name of ENOSIS starting in the mid 50's against the British and 1963 onwards against the Turkish Cypriots. You Greeks and Greek Cypriots by joined forces tried to eliminate/genocide the Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus '''NOT''' for freedom but for '''ENOSIS'''.
			Politically Cyprus ,particularly the internationally recognized Republic of Cyprus, as a member of the European Union and other European organizations is part of Europe while geographically it is in Asia. Though being Turkish Cypriot myself, the categorization was solely made on ethnic grounds and not on political grounds.

			Kindest regards Saguamundi

			== Politeness is a must ==

			How can you be certain that 99% of Turkish Cypriots feel European and want to join the European many don not. While the present Turkish Cypriot government still favors joining the European Union, the people are divided over the issue. After the Greek Cypriot population voted against the Annan Plan in 2004, the unification of Cyprus was also prevented. This infurated many Turkish Cypriots and the current Turkish Cypriot government. A great opportunity was lost that only entrenches the division of the island into a permanent one. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 16:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

			==Ενταξει==
			Πες μου τι χρειαζεται να κανω και κανω οτι μπορω. Στειλε μυνημα (στα ελληνικα) και σε αλλους ελληνες εδω μεσα.--] 12:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

			Ok. An psaxneis kai alloys ellhnes, tha tous vreis edw:
			*http://en.wikipedia.org/Category:User_grc
			*http://en.wikipedia.org/Category:User_grc-1
			--] 13:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

			:Φιλε δεν βλεπω να βγαζουμε ακρη με τα τουρκαλια. Διαβασε απλα την απαντηση του τουρκου στην προταση μου - απαντα λες και κανει αυτος κουμαντο. Και οι αβανταδοροι αντιμινιστρειτορς κοιτανε την ησυχια τους και χεστηκαν για το σταμπ. Τι αλλο μπορουμε να κανουμε? Αν θες πες σε κανενα αλλο παιδι οπως στον ] μηπως μπορεσει να δωσει κανα χερακι για να ξαναμπει η σημαια στο σταμπ. Κοιτα και τα παραπανω λινκς.. --] 14:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

			== Saguamundi ==

			Sure, what specifically do you want me to explain to him? <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 06:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

			:I am sorry, but why are you sending messages to others in Greek about the Cyprus-stub?? Is this a gang war? You could have a left a message at the GR-TR cooperation board, everybody would have been able to take a look. ] 08:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

			::''(abusive post by anon removed) ] ] 22:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)''

			:KRBN, I must second Baris' request. Sending messages to multiple users solicting like-minded input for an ongoing dispute is highly frowned upon anyway; doing it in a foreign language is even worse style. Please don't do that. ] ] 22:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

			Done. <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;">]]</span> 05:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

			==cyprus stub==
			Can you plse translate? I dont speak greek--] 15:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

			can u explain or give me a link please?--] 18:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

			== A certain comment of yours ==

			Hi KRBN

			I just noticed this comment of yours. . Since you must be referring to Grutness and myself, it would have been a nice courtesy if you'd confronted us with this claim rather than posting it to others first. Not that it is any of your business; I'm not pro-Turk, nor am I pro-Greek and I am quite sure Grutness feels the same way. Since your post seems to concern him as well, I've sent Grutness a message about this. ] <sup>] / ]</sup> 23:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
	Makarios, the so-called "man-of-God" was the leader of the murdering EOKA and together with the other murdering swines like Tassos Papadopolous (your present so-called President of the so-called "Republic of Cyprus"), Grivas, Samson and other murdering swines devised the Akritas plan to genocide us Turkish Cypriots so that you could have your ENOSIS.

			:Hi again.
			:I accept your apology and I appreciate your honesty. What annoyed me wasn't as much being labelled a pro-Turk, since I can't really stop others from accusing me of bias anyway if they feel that way. What offended me was noticing that the message looked very much like a translation of a previous message written in Greek. As long as I'm on the English Misplaced Pages, I avoid using my own language unless the matter is completely harmless and would be complicated unnecessarily by using the English language. E.g. I discussed Scandinavian copyright laws in Danish the other day, but I don't discuss political issues using my own language. I don't know why you consider Grutness to be anti-Cypriot. Regarding the stub template both he and I try to avoid getting a {{tl\|TRNC-stub}} since that will open a can of worms and possibly lead to neverending revert wars with similar templates regarding articles for a dozen nations. Consequently we try to have templates that won't become objects of edit wars. If {{tl\|TRNC-stub}} passes then {{tl\|Kosovo-stub}} and {{tl\|Chechnya-stub}} will be next and we already have {{tl\|Transnistria-stub}}, and {{tl\|Somaliland-stub}}, both of which are headaches of their own and both really annoy me. We've finally managed to get rid of {{tl\|Ossetia-stub}} and it looks like {{tl\|Abkhazia-stub}} will go the same way. Since I've sorted many thousands of articles, I'd be very sad seing much of this work undone in a series of edit wars. I understand how you feel about your flag, you love your country just like I love mine. If I knew a solution that would mean that the Cypriot material could be contained within one set of categories / stub templates and still use the UN-recognized flag, I would support it. Unfortunately, I am not too optimistic in that regard, which is why I supported the no-image solution since this solution has been used on controversial material before ({{tl\|WesternSahara-stub}}). It is far from elegant but I find this the lesser of two evils. I'm pretty sure we agree that a two-flag template is out of the question? Moving to a different track: If the mess about the politicians doesn't end, I'll suggest that you make a post to WP:WSS and ask them about how to categorize Cyprus properly continent-wise. In that respect, I remember Grutness as being the strongest supporter that the island belongs to Europe rather than Asia and I don't remember anyone arguing strongly otherwise. The mess could have been helped if we'd had a stub template for Cypriot politicians, which could - if necessary - feed into both the European and Asian categories, just like we do for the Turkish material. But you have already guessed why I've never proposed neither this template nor a -bio template. {{tl\|Cyprus-stub}} was my first proposal on WP:WSS and I've since regretted this many times seeing how controversial this template became. Another possibility regarding the politician material would be to return it to {{tl\|Politician-stub}}. I've only left countries that are hard to categorize in this category: Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan. If you don't like this solution, I'd suggest that you try the talk page of ]. I agree that at the end of the day, Cyprus is most logically categorized under Europe and all indications I've seen say that WP:WSS feels the same way. Regards. ] <sup>] / ]</sup> 23:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

	From 1963 to 1974 you Greeks and Greek Cypriots tried your best to genocide us Turkish Cyprios in Cyprus but you were weak and could not manage to eliminate us so in 1974 you gave it another try but this time Turkey came to our rescue and kicked your arses so hard that you still can't sit down without pain. You tried to genocide us Turkish Cypriots and steal our lands but in the end you lost some of yours and now you are crying like a baby who lost it's dummy.

			Kiriako vale ena ilektroniko taxidromio mesa na milisoume. ] 15:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
	The Greek Cypriots wanted not only the whole island for themselves but they also wanted our (Turkish Cypriots) lives, they were not satisfied with only taking our lands. The Greek Cypriots had more power and more money back then in Cyprus and they could easily have bought the Turkish Cypriot owned lands and declared ENOSIS within 10-15 years but no, they had to murder us, why? they had to kill us because they like murdering Turks and Muslims. The Greeks and Greek Cypriots (and don't tell me the Greeks and Greek Cypriots are not the same people) are thirsty for Turkish and Muslim blood, they proved that when they joined the Serbs in the massacre of 7000 Muslims in Srebrenica flying the Greek flag.

			== ] ==
	It's time for you to wake up and repent your sins and ask for forgiveness from the dead Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots. It's time for you to get on your knees and ask for forgiveness from your God. It's also time for you to realise that the island has been devided and devided it will stay. You Greeks/Greek Cypriots have only yourselves to blame and thank for this division.

			If you have an issue with the AFD closure, you can file a ], although the consensus was vastly in favor of keeping the article. The fact that he played for the Cyprus national team is valid for ], as ] stated during the AFD discussion. It really isn't a decision that requires someone well-versed in football. --''']]''' 19:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
	'''IT'S OVER, THE ISLAND HAS NOW TWO STATES AND THE TRNC WILL BE RECOGNISED NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU CRY. '''
			:Well, to be honest, I'm not sure what you could do in DRV, since the keep result would probably be endorsed. You could bring it up on the talk page for ], since it is a guideline and is somewhat flexible - you might be able to get a discussion going. --''']]''' 22:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

			==Re:Cyprus Stubs==
	By TC*
			--i am ready for that i can do them in each weekends
			----] 19:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

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Patrick Ogunsoto

Please do not but prod tags back to articles after they have been contested. If you wish to delete this article, take it to AfD. Catchpole 11:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion process

Kyriakos,

I'm glad you dropped by with a question rather than get into an "edit war" over deletion tags.

You have the "right" to nominate a biographical article for speedy deletion under A7 criteria if the article does "not assert the importance or significance of its subject." For example, if the article gave the birthdate and said he was a businessman, that would fall under no assertion of notability. However, if there is additional information, for example that he is a CEO or business owner, then on some level, there is an assertion of some notability. If you nominate an article for speedy deletion and another editor disagrees with your nomination, for example, feels that there is notability, it is acceptable for that editor to remove the tag, while leaving a comment about why the tag was removed. A simple explanation in the edit summary should be sufficient. If you still question the notability, you may return and nominate the article under Articles for deletion. (From the speedy deletion criteria — "If the assertion is disputed or controversial, it should be taken to AfD instead.")

When there is an assertion of notability, and if you feel that the subject is not sufficiently notable to have an article on Misplaced Pages — see WP:Notability — you have two choices:

Proposed deletion ({{prod}}) or
Articles for deletion (AFD).

To determine which one to use, review the article history. If it has previously been tagged with a speedy tag or with a prod tag, and the tag has been removed, then this indicates that the lack of notability is disputed, so AFD is the appropriate route.

As in the case of speedy delete tags, with a {{prod}} tag, any editor may dispute it and remove the tag, as above. So, any further nomination for deletion should be done through AFD.

In the specific case of Christos Panopoulos, the history shows that after you nominated it for speedy, the tag was removed and a reason given for the removal of the tag. You again speedy tagged it with a more appropriate tag (A7). (However, in this case, I would have moved to AFD, rather than push the speedy tag. In addition, please keep in mind WP:Civil, re: "haha".) The speedy tag was removed with explanation in the edit history (did not meet csd (Criteria for speedy deletion)). This is acceptable. You then nominated it with a {{prod}} tag, which should have been AFD instead, as the nominiation was disputed by virtue of removal of the tag, etc. TruthbringerToronto's actions in this case were acceptable and he did provide explanation in the edit summary. AFD is where community consensus is sought to determine whether the article should be deleted.

Hope this helps. — ERcheck (talk) 17:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S. The policy on PROD is very clear: See WP:PROD#Conflicts — "Contested deletions: If anyone, including the article's creator, removes Template:Prod from an article for any reason, do not put it back...". The page on WP:PROD provides the full information about the policy. It would be a good idea to fully familiarize yourself with the three different deletion processes by reading the policies.

— ERcheck (talk) 18:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Reminder: Please use edit summaries as was indicated above. — ERcheck (talk) 18:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Notability questions

The issue of notabililty for athletes — the criteria are specific to the sport/region/country, etc. For example, an athlete who has represented their country in the Olympic games would generally be considered to be notable. For U.S. sports such as American football, baseball, and basketball, a player who is signed to a professional team is generally considered to be notable. In the case of football (soccer), generally, in Europe, players on the national team or signed to a first division team would be notable. Stature of a team does not refer to physical height, but rather to the second dictionary definition, specifically "respect coming from achievement or development".

Since your general interest seems to be with respect to football players, I've directed my comments specifically to that issue. I hope this helps. If you have further questions, come back to my talk page and ask. — ERcheck (talk) 20:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Your edits to Ethnikos Achna FC

You recently removed the statement: "It is the only Cypriot team to have managed to win a European trophy" from the Ethnikos Achna FC article. You did not leave an edit summary to provide an explanation. Is this a false statement? Why did you remove it? — ERcheck (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Concerning categories

You recently removed the Category:Basketball teams from the Chicago American Gears article. By virtue of the {{hoops-team-stub}}, the article will be in the Category:Basketball team stubs, which is a subcategory of Basketball teams. However, when/if the article is expanded and the stub tag removed, it will no longer be in that subcategory. It is correct to leave the Category:Basketball teams in the article. — ERcheck (talk) 16:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology

Since you are interested in flags and emblems I would like to inform you that the WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology has just been created. Why not take a look? I hope you can join. Inge 21:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

ilektroniko taxidromio

ean exeis xrono (epeidi ine terastio) thes na mou doseis ena xeri? Aristovoul0s 13:04, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

TONY ESOPI=

Giati ; ekanes to Achaia Football Guild Union http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Achaia_Football_Guild_Union&redirect=no Redirect page sto "Panachaiki" , GIA PIO LOGO;; XORIS SIZITISI ;;; ETSI GOYSTARIS ;;; TI IDIOKTISIA SOY INE I VIKIPEDEIA KE OTI GOYSTARIS KANEIS ;;;

Γεια σου Τόνυ με τα ωραία σου. Στενοχωρήθηκες που σου έσβησε τη δουλειά, αλλά μην του πάρεις και το κεφάλι. Και εγώ νομίζω ότι έκανε λάθος, αλλά το κείμενο με τα κεφαλαία γράμματα δε χρησιμεύει σε τίποτα, μόνο να τον τσαντίσεις, κάτι που δεν εξυπηρετεί κανένα. Χαιρετισμούς κρβν με τα άπειρα user-κουτάκια....βαρεμένος κι εσύ βλέπω...και για τα καλά μάλιστα...--FocalPoint 21:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

TONY ESOPI

Δεν έχω σκοπό να του πάρω το κεφάλι,αν και θα έπρεπε.΄ Δεν ξέρω καλά αγγλικά αλλά απο ότι καταλαβαίνω θέλης να διαγράψης το άρθρο . Γιατί;;;Πρέπει να έχεις πρόβλημα εκεί μέσα μάλον.Και είσαι απαράδεκτος δεν απαντάς κιόλας να μας πείς την γνώμη σου , αλλά και γιατί το κάνης, έχεις κάποιο κόμπλεξ με την Αχαία ;;;.Δεν βρίσκω άλλον λόγω και αιτία.

ΤΟΝΥ ΕΣΟΠΙ

Καταρχήν δεν είναι αγροτικο πρωτάθλημα, απο αυτό και μόνο φαίνετε η ασχετοσύνηση σου,και οτι υπάρχει άλλος λόγος που το κάνεις. Το ότι δεν σε ενδειαφέρη εσένα να μάθης τι γίνετε στο ερασιτεχνικό ποδοσφαιρο της Ελλάδας και της Αχαίας δεν σημαίνη ότι δεν ενδειαφέρη και τους άλλους.Κια κάτι που για σένα είναι γελείο για κάποιον άλλον μπορεί να είναι σημαντικό. Είχα σκοπο να γράψω όλα τα αντίστοιχα άρθρα απο την Ελληνική Βικιπαίδεια.Δηλαδή είναι σημαντικό να υπάρχουν όλες οι Αγγλικές ερασιτεχνικές λίγκες και άλλων χωρών και όχι οι Ελληνικές ;;;;; Ωραίος Έλληνας είσαι. Μήπως δεν είσαι ;;;

Cyprus city/village Infobox

Hi, i agree with your alteration of the Pachna article, but have you the know-how to create a special infoBox for Cyprus? i Have tried myself, but failed miserably... StephP 17:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

--Tony esopi patra 17:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Αυτα που λές δεν στέκουν πουθενά είναι παράλογα,Έχεις κάοια κακία για την Αχαία ή κάποιο κόμπλεξ αυτή την εντύπωση δείνης συνεχώς,Καταρχήν σε λέω άσχετο γιατί δεν έχει καμία σχέση το Κυπριακό πρωτάθλημα με το Ελληνικό δεν στέκι η σύγκριση που κάνεις, Το πόσο γνωστός είναι ο Φωστήρας άσε να ξέρουν αυτοί που ασχολούνται με το ποδόσφαιρο εσύ απο την στιγμή που δεν ασχολείσε δεν δικαιούσε να κρίνης κιόλας το πόσο τον ξέρουν στην Ελλάδα,Γιατί αν ασχολιόσουν θα τον ήξερες.Δεν συγκρίνονται το κυπριακό αγροτικό πρωτάθλημα με τα πρωταθλήματα των Ελληνικών ποδοσφαιρικών ενώσεων απο την στιγμή που τα συγκρίνης συνγνώμη αλλά είσαι άσχετος. Τώρα αυτό που λές ότι θα μου σβήνης τα άρθρα , με απειλής;;;;.Αυτό και μόνο δείχνη ότι είσαι κομπλεξικός , Εγώ δεν ξαναασχολούμε μαζί σου αλλά αν συνεχείσης ,απλά θα απευθύνομαι σε αυτούς που πρέπει στην Βικιπαίδεια.

PAEEK restored

This article has been restored after its deletion was contested at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review. As you nominated the article to be deleted via WP:PROD, you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion. --Sam Blanning 23:02, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

As you have probably realised by now your feeble attempt to get PAEEK deleted has failed spectacularly. You and your alias (Moutalos) were the only ones who voted for deletion and even the users who you invited to support you, in the end voted against you. You have wasted everyone’s time again so I would suggest that in the future you concentrated on contributing more constructively. I have also noticed that you have deleted several notable articles in the past in a stealth manner simply by redirecting them elsewhere. Just to let you know that I will be monitoring your actions closely to make sure that you do not interfere again in a detrimental way. Georgeg 01:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Do not spam user Talk pages

Trawling for votes/opinions is considered highly improper, bordering on vandalism. Please do not persist in this behaviour, you risk being accused of vandalism. (aeropagitica) 14:08, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Achaia Football Clubs Article

Just a heads up; it is apparently against Misplaced Pages policy (which I was unaware of) to go around asking for support on votes so be careful, don't get yourself in trouble. If you could find out how to go about reporting such behaviour, however, you could perhaps report the others who are doing this that you were concerned about. Regardless, don't worry about whether or not there are fewer 'delete' votes for this article. A common misconception is that the Articles for Deletion are votes; they are not. Administrators who come through and decide whether or not to delete an article after its five days on the AfD do NOT tally the votes, rather they take into account the arguments on each side and decide in favor of which side made the better case. There could only be 2 people calling for deletion and 10 calling for keeping the article and the administrator could decide to delete. The people who are simply saying 'keep' and nothing else are adding nothing and will not be taken into account. No need to get others to come and 'vote' to delete; if our arguments are more valid and show how the article violate Misplaced Pages policy the administrators will act accordingly. --The Way 17:58, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, you might want to read WP:Spam.--Jersey Devil 23:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Καλέ?

Τι πάθαμε όλοι μ'αυτό το μικρο-ομαδίδιο? Τι πρόβλημα υπάρχει? Άστο κει το κακόμοιρο, τί σε πειράζει? Τέλος πάντων, νομίζω ότι έχουμε όλοι μας πολύ σοβαρότερα θέματα να ασχοληθούμε... •NikoSilver• 23:36, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Παρεπιπτόντως, και αφού είδα τα παραπάνω μηνύματα, ρίξε μια ματιά εδώ και μετά εδώ. •NikoSilver• 23:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Ισαάκ/Σολωμού

Γεια! Απλή απορία μην το παρεξηγήσεις, δολοφονία είναι μόνο αν κάποιος είναι αξιωματούχος;-- Avg 19:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

jjik

please delete this document

--tony esopi patra 13:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Καλημέρα και καλα χριστούγεννα. Εγώ είμαι ευγενικός μαζί σου και ας μου δημιούργησες πρόβλημα. έχω μάθη ότι ξέρης τούρκικα . είναι αλήθεια ;;; θέλω να με βοηθήσεις να μου μεταφράσεις κάποιες λέξεις. --tony esopi patra 13:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Καλή χρονιά . Οι Κύπριοι χρήστες το λένε ότι ξέρης Τούρκικα, Πρόβλημα δεν υπάρχη , αλλά εγώ θα σε προσέχω γιατί είσαι άμυιαλος, χωρίς παρεξήγηση με την καλή ένοια το λέω. Τα τούρκικα τα θέλω και θέλω και την γνώμη σου ,Θέλω να βάλω στην ελληνική Βικιπαίδεια τα πρωταθλήματα των τουρκοκυπρίων και δεν μπορώ να μεταφράσω όλα τα ονόματα των ομάδων. Θέλω την γνώμη σου για να το κάνω ή όχι, και την βιηθειά σου βέβαια. Στην ελληνική βίκι που ρώτησα κάποιους συμφώνησαν ένας κύπριος που ρώτησα δεν μου απάντησε καθόλου.Επειδή εδώ δεν μπαίνω συχνά μπορείς να μου στέλνης μυνήματα και στην Ελληνική που είμαι κάθε μέρα εκεί. --tony esopi patra 15:33, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Καλημέρα. Αυτά έχω κι εγώ. Κάποια ονόματα τα ξέρω κάποια άλλα όχι δεν μπορώ να τα μεταφράσω. Σε αυτό που λες έχεις δίκιο είναι άγνωστο πρωτάθλημα όσο τόσο όπως το λές όμως. Στην Βικιπαίδεια δεν υπάρχει το έχω ψάξη πουθενά σε καμία γλώσσα. Θα το αφήσω και βλέπουμε στο μέλλον.--tony esopi patra 11:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Please be careful as to how you use that word. Vandalism means inserting "fuck you" into an article, it doesn't cover content disputes. Please read my edit-summaries, "Turkish" doesn't mean "from Turkey". It is an ethnic designation. Do not remove relevant cats, like METU alumni, or interwikis, or info that needs to be there per WP:BIO, like birth dates and places etc. Cheers! Baristarim 20:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Please read my note above again. If your reasoning is correct, then there is no reason they should be included under "Cypriot etc" either, they are not citizens of the Republic of Cyprus, right? That's all. In any case, you are erasing a lot of important and relevant information, even interwikis. In fact, it is so much that even the VandalBot reverted you. Please be careful with 3RR as well. Please see WP:BIO as well. Thanks. Baristarim 20:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with them being under "Cypriot X". And do not politicize this issue as if you are trying to get one over someone :) I don't give a rat's ass about Denktash's grandsons. I have three passports, so what? The so-called "KKTC"? :) Well, it looks like I am not the one politicizing this issue. Nevertheless, the problem is you are deleting a lot of information that needs to be there. No, the VandalBot reverted you because you also deleted interwikis, alumni cats etc. Please read WP:BIO if you have not done so yet, do not erase information that needs to be there. You erased a whole birthdate and place information from one of the biographies. Baristarim 20:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

You didn't explain this , however. Not only you removed info that needs to be there per WP:BIO, you even removed the interwiki to Turkish Misplaced Pages!! If I wasn't assuming good faith, I would be suspecting some serious POV pushing there. Then you accuse me of being a vandal, give me a break man... Baristarim 21:01, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Nor this , where you removed METU alumni category, or this where you even removed the Living people category, along with his birthdate and birthplace, that also is required to be there per Misplaced Pages policies. As I said, if I wasn't assuming good faith, I would be suspecting some serious sneaky POV pushing. Please do not make such disruptive edits in the future. Thanks. Baristarim 21:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

No, it's ok, I have no problem with "Cypriot X" category. :) I hear your reasoning and as long as you are only going to modify the categories, then it's fine with me. In any case, I don't have much time to devote to this unfortunately. Cheers! Baristarim 21:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio

Yes, because of the text, most of it was lifted straight from the UEFA site without permission and constitutes a copyright problem. The only appropriate thing to do is to rewrite the article completely, from the beginning. Punkmorten 18:20, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Same goes for Ahmet Okan and Acar Akalın... Khoi khoi 21:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Turkish Cypriot politicians

Turkish Cypriots just like the Turks of Turkey, unlike Greek Cypriots and Greeks who are European, are of Asian descent and therefore Asians. That is why I changed the category, despite the fact that Turkish Cypriot MPs are observers in the European Council and Parliament and other European organizations. Politically Cyprus ,particularly the internationally recognized Republic of Cyprus, as a member of the European Union and other European organizations is part of Europe while geographically it is in Asia. Though being Turkish Cypriot myself, the categorization was solely made on ethnic grounds and not on political grounds.

Kindest regards Saguamundi

Politeness is a must

How can you be certain that 99% of Turkish Cypriots feel European and want to join the European many don not. While the present Turkish Cypriot government still favors joining the European Union, the people are divided over the issue. After the Greek Cypriot population voted against the Annan Plan in 2004, the unification of Cyprus was also prevented. This infurated many Turkish Cypriots and the current Turkish Cypriot government. A great opportunity was lost that only entrenches the division of the island into a permanent one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Saguamundi (talk • contribs) 16:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC).

Ενταξει

Πες μου τι χρειαζεται να κανω και κανω οτι μπορω. Στειλε μυνημα (στα ελληνικα) και σε αλλους ελληνες εδω μεσα.--KaragouniS 12:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok. An psaxneis kai alloys ellhnes, tha tous vreis edw:

--KaragouniS 13:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Φιλε δεν βλεπω να βγαζουμε ακρη με τα τουρκαλια. Διαβασε απλα την απαντηση του τουρκου στην προταση μου - απαντα λες και κανει αυτος κουμαντο. Και οι αβανταδοροι αντιμινιστρειτορς κοιτανε την ησυχια τους και χεστηκαν για το σταμπ. Τι αλλο μπορουμε να κανουμε? Αν θες πες σε κανενα αλλο παιδι οπως στον NikoSilver μηπως μπορεσει να δωσει κανα χερακι για να ξαναμπει η σημαια στο σταμπ. Κοιτα και τα παραπανω λινκς.. --KaragouniS 14:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Saguamundi

Sure, what specifically do you want me to explain to him? Khoi khoi 06:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, but why are you sending messages to others in Greek about the Cyprus-stub?? Is this a gang war? You could have a left a message at the GR-TR cooperation board, everybody would have been able to take a look. Baristarim 08:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

(abusive post by anon removed) Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

KRBN, I must second Baris' request. Sending messages to multiple users solicting like-minded input for an ongoing dispute is highly frowned upon anyway; doing it in a foreign language is even worse style. Please don't do that. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Done. Khoi khoi 05:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

cyprus stub

Can you plse translate? I dont speak greek--Slogankid 15:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

can u explain or give me a link please?--Slogankid 18:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

A certain comment of yours

Hi KRBN

I just noticed this comment of yours. . Since you must be referring to Grutness and myself, it would have been a nice courtesy if you'd confronted us with this claim rather than posting it to others first. Not that it is any of your business; I'm not pro-Turk, nor am I pro-Greek and I am quite sure Grutness feels the same way. Since your post seems to concern him as well, I've sent Grutness a message about this. Valentinian 23:07, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi again.

I accept your apology and I appreciate your honesty. What annoyed me wasn't as much being labelled a pro-Turk, since I can't really stop others from accusing me of bias anyway if they feel that way. What offended me was noticing that the message looked very much like a translation of a previous message written in Greek. As long as I'm on the English Misplaced Pages, I avoid using my own language unless the matter is completely harmless and would be complicated unnecessarily by using the English language. E.g. I discussed Scandinavian copyright laws in Danish the other day, but I don't discuss political issues using my own language. I don't know why you consider Grutness to be anti-Cypriot. Regarding the stub template both he and I try to avoid getting a {{TRNC-stub}} since that will open a can of worms and possibly lead to neverending revert wars with similar templates regarding articles for a dozen nations. Consequently we try to have templates that won't become objects of edit wars. If {{TRNC-stub}} passes then {{Kosovo-stub}} and {{Chechnya-stub}} will be next and we already have {{Transnistria-stub}}, and {{Somaliland-stub}}, both of which are headaches of their own and both really annoy me. We've finally managed to get rid of {{Ossetia-stub}} and it looks like {{Abkhazia-stub}} will go the same way. Since I've sorted many thousands of articles, I'd be very sad seing much of this work undone in a series of edit wars. I understand how you feel about your flag, you love your country just like I love mine. If I knew a solution that would mean that the Cypriot material could be contained within one set of categories / stub templates and still use the UN-recognized flag, I would support it. Unfortunately, I am not too optimistic in that regard, which is why I supported the no-image solution since this solution has been used on controversial material before ({{WesternSahara-stub}}). It is far from elegant but I find this the lesser of two evils. I'm pretty sure we agree that a two-flag template is out of the question? Moving to a different track: If the mess about the politicians doesn't end, I'll suggest that you make a post to WP:WSS and ask them about how to categorize Cyprus properly continent-wise. In that respect, I remember Grutness as being the strongest supporter that the island belongs to Europe rather than Asia and I don't remember anyone arguing strongly otherwise. The mess could have been helped if we'd had a stub template for Cypriot politicians, which could - if necessary - feed into both the European and Asian categories, just like we do for the Turkish material. But you have already guessed why I've never proposed neither this template nor a -bio template. {{Cyprus-stub}} was my first proposal on WP:WSS and I've since regretted this many times seeing how controversial this template became. Another possibility regarding the politician material would be to return it to {{Politician-stub}}. I've only left countries that are hard to categorize in this category: Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan. If you don't like this solution, I'd suggest that you try the talk page of WP:WSS. I agree that at the end of the day, Cyprus is most logically categorized under Europe and all indications I've seen say that WP:WSS feels the same way. Regards. Valentinian 23:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Kiriako vale ena ilektroniko taxidromio mesa na milisoume. Aristovoul0s 15:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Constantinos Makrides

If you have an issue with the AFD closure, you can file a deletion review, although the consensus was vastly in favor of keeping the article. The fact that he played for the Cyprus national team is valid for WP:BIO, as StephP stated during the AFD discussion. It really isn't a decision that requires someone well-versed in football. --Core desat 19:23, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, to be honest, I'm not sure what you could do in DRV, since the keep result would probably be endorsed. You could bring it up on the talk page for WP:BIO, since it is a guideline and is somewhat flexible - you might be able to get a discussion going. --Core desat 22:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Cyprus Stubs

--i am ready for that i can do them in each weekends

Jhabib 19:54, 18 February 2007 (UTC)