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| ⚫ | == Controversy over President Patil's foreign trips == | ||
| == First female governor == | |||
| ⚫ | This addition on has been reverted several times now by Qwyrxian and Sitush. To avoid an edit war, I'm raising the issue here. | ||
| Sarojini Naidu, Kumudben Joshi, Ram Dulari Sinha and Fatima Beevi had also served as Women Governors before, much earlier than Pratibha Patil. Hence, Pratibha Patil was not the first and only woman governor in India. | |||
| ⚫ | It was originally reverted on the grounds that the image didn't have any accompanying text which was since added. The second issue raised then was that foreign trips are indeed normal affairs and not controversial. When more sources on the matter -that calls it a controversy- were added, I was told "In fact, it wasn't a "major controversy"; it was mentioned a couple of times in a few newspapers, mainly because her political opponents tried to make it seem like there was a controversy when, in fact, it was normal. None of the sources actually indicate that there was any lasting controversy." and while the administrator - who seems very pressed for time - peruses the sources, "Nobody has a right to know anything on Misplaced Pages. Period.". | ||
| :That is very interesting, given what the current sources say. Can you provide sources for the info? - ] (]) 00:12, 9 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::Oh yes, I don't know how I missed this point, ] was the first woman governor of a State but PP was the first woman gov of Rajasthan --] (]) 19:52, 9 July 2012 (UTC). Yes; subsequently, Prabha Rau also served as (woman) Gov. of Rajasthan and recently (in April 2012) Margaret Alva has been appointed as Rajasthan Governor. (Mrs. Alva had earlier served as Governor of Uttarakhand).] (]) 00:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::: The above mentioned four women were respectively the Governors of UP, AP, Kerala and Tamil Nadu States at different periods of time. Their biographies / particulars are available in Misplaced Pages itself. ( Madame Pratibha Patil, was, no doubt , the first woman Governor in (for) Rajasthan State). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:54, 13 July 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Sharda Mukherjee (wife of Late Air Chief Marshall Subroto Mukherjee) had also served as a (woman) Governor of Andhra Pradesh State, during 1977-78. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:30, 13 July 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> Mrs. Sharda Mukherjee had also served later on as Gov.of Gujarat. There were yet other women Governors in India after Sarojini Naidu. Her own daughter Padmaja Naidu (W. Bengal), Vijayalakshmi Pandit (Maharastra), Jyothi Venkatachalam (Kerala) and Serla Grewal (Madhya Pradesh).These four women had served very much earlier than Madame Pratibha Patil, the first woman Gov. of Rajasthan.] (]) 00:42, 18 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :So it looks like the article as written is now formatted correctly, right? It no longer says she was the first female governor in India, just the first female governor of ]. ] (]) 04:14, 18 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | My issue with the reverts is this: 1) the matter is fully sourced from a range of 8 national media outlets, no less 2) the sources maintain that it became controversial and that the Government of India itself came out clarifying for the President and 3) it is neutrally phrased, giving the official reasoning for why the the trips were necessary or normal and 4) if one particular editor would like to peruse sources but has no specific grievances with the quality or the content of the sources, should the reading public be kept away from such info till such time as the editor concerned finds time to go through it all. Finally, whatever happened to AGF? | ||
| == Clemency == | |||
| ⚫ | I'm beginning to think that the reverts are simply editorial high handedness, the result of unthinking ]. I'd like to hear from editors on what they think on this matter and, hopefully, see a restoration of the matter now reverted. ] (]) 10:41, 21 September 2013 (UTC) | ||
| I've been having a conversation on my talk page (see ]) about additions to the controversies section. Yes, we've discussed this before. And I still hold that almost all of these alleged controversies need to stay out, usually because there isn't even verification that they are actually a controversy, much less that they are of lasting encyclopedic importance. | |||
| :Please note that I have re-added the information, and worded it neutrally as required by policy. Are you saying that you still object to the new version? Note that you cannot call it a controversy, because the majority of sources do not. ] (]) 12:23, 21 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
| User {{u|Sitush}} just left a message on my talk page before reverting this article again.I was amazed to see he was asking me why am i adding controversial text(with references) to congress people only. He now wants this discussion to shift on me getting biased on the innocent congress ministers. I once again want to clarify, i do not endorse any political party and i request all of you if you want to test my neutrality, just reply this message with allegations raised on narendra modi or arvind kejriwal with references. I'll love to add those to their pages.Reverting a genune edit(with reference to each claim) and trying to shift the debate from allegations to a Modi-Congress fight is not expected from wikipedia editers like {{u|Sitush}}.--Kaka<b><span style="color:#FF9933">Desi</span></b> 05:47, 28 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| However, one that might possibly be worth considering are her grants of clemency. She has, apparently, granted clemency more often and at a much higher rate than prior Presidents. She also granted clemency to a dead person, thus implying a possible lack of oversight. Two relevant news sources are and (and I'm sure there's more that could be searched up). So, do we think this info should be added to the article? If so, where, and how much? ] (]) 23:17, 19 February 2013 (UTC) | |||
| == Controversy sections == | |||
| :A part of one of those sources makes little sense to me: "The large scale of presidential pardons is seen as surprising. That is because India has not yet abolished the death penalty." The oddity is that if India did not have the death penalty then obviously she would not be able to commute it. But perhaps I am misreading something. In any event, it would be handy to know ''why'' she has done this so often; for example, she might be acting to protect India's image abroad vis-a-vis major trading partners such as Europe. I'd be surprised if she pardoned people without giving some sort of reason. - ] (]) 18:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
| Dedicated controversy sections in BLPs has long been frowned upon and there are numerous discussions about this, including at least two relevant threads right on this talk page. Continually attempting to insert such sections is a violation of ], ] etc. If any such incidents are in fact notable, are in fact more than just allegations made by opposition politicians and the press and are in fact verifiable to a standard that complies with ] then they should form a part of the whole article, not be consigned to a POV-magnet separate section. This is standard practice and I'm becoming fed up of frenzied attempts to breach it. Take a look, for example, at the Activities section in the current article. - ] (]) 20:57, 27 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | == Controversy over President Patil's foreign trips == | ||
| == Misinformation in early life section ? == | |||
| ⚫ | This addition on has been reverted several times now by Qwyrxian and Sitush. To avoid an edit war, I'm raising the issue here. | ||
| As per ] article in 1906 ] was split into 2 and renamed as West Khandesh and East Khandesh district, East Khandesh includes Jalgaon district. East Khandesh got renamed in circa1960 as Jalgaon district. Nadgaon, the birth place of this subject in in Jalgaon district that means in 1934 when P. Patil was born she was born in East Khandesh district of British India and not in Jalgaon district, It should be changed - | |||
| ⚫ | It was originally reverted on the grounds that the image didn't have any accompanying text which was since added. The second issue raised then was that foreign trips are indeed normal affairs and not controversial. When more sources on the matter -that calls it a controversy- were added, I was told "In fact, it wasn't a "major controversy"; it was mentioned a couple of times in a few newspapers, mainly because her political opponents tried to make it seem like there was a controversy when, in fact, it was normal. None of the sources actually indicate that there was any lasting controversy." and while the administrator - who seems very pressed for time - peruses the sources, "Nobody has a right to know anything on Misplaced Pages. Period.". | ||
| '''X''' : She was born in Jalgaon district, Maharashtra. | |||
| '''Y''' : She was born in East Khandesh district (Now Jalgaon district) of ], ]. ] (]) 13:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | My issue with the reverts is this: 1) the matter is fully sourced from a range of 8 national media outlets, no less 2) the sources maintain that it became controversial and that the Government of India itself came out clarifying for the President and 3) it is neutrally phrased, giving the official reasoning for why the the trips were necessary or normal and 4) if one particular editor would like to peruse sources but has no specific grievances with the quality or the content of the sources, should the reading public be kept away from such info till such time as the editor concerned finds time to go through it all. Finally, whatever happened to AGF? | ||
| ⚫ | I'm beginning to think that the reverts are simply editorial high handedness, the result of unthinking ]. I'd like to hear from editors on what they think on this matter and, hopefully, see a restoration of the matter now reverted. ] (]) 10:41, 21 September 2013 (UTC) | ||
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Controversy over President Patil's foreign trips
This addition on Pratibha Patil's foreign trips has been reverted several times now by Qwyrxian and Sitush. To avoid an edit war, I'm raising the issue here.
It was originally reverted on the grounds that the image didn't have any accompanying text which was since added. The second issue raised then was that foreign trips are indeed normal affairs and not controversial. When more sources on the matter -that calls it a controversy- were added, I was told "In fact, it wasn't a "major controversy"; it was mentioned a couple of times in a few newspapers, mainly because her political opponents tried to make it seem like there was a controversy when, in fact, it was normal. None of the sources actually indicate that there was any lasting controversy." and while the administrator - who seems very pressed for time - peruses the sources, "Nobody has a right to know anything on Misplaced Pages. Period.".
My issue with the reverts is this: 1) the matter is fully sourced from a range of 8 national media outlets, no less 2) the sources maintain that it became controversial and that the Government of India itself came out clarifying for the President and 3) it is neutrally phrased, giving the official reasoning for why the the trips were necessary or normal and 4) if one particular editor would like to peruse sources but has no specific grievances with the quality or the content of the sources, should the reading public be kept away from such info till such time as the editor concerned finds time to go through it all. Finally, whatever happened to AGF?
I'm beginning to think that the reverts are simply editorial high handedness, the result of unthinking immediatism. I'd like to hear from editors on what they think on this matter and, hopefully, see a restoration of the matter now reverted. Ashwin147 (talk) 10:41, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
- Please note that I have re-added the information, and worded it neutrally as required by policy. Are you saying that you still object to the new version? Note that you cannot call it a controversy, because the majority of sources do not. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:23, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
User Sitush just left a message on my talk page before reverting this article again.I was amazed to see he was asking me why am i adding controversial text(with references) to congress people only. He now wants this discussion to shift on me getting biased on the innocent congress ministers. I once again want to clarify, i do not endorse any political party and i request all of you if you want to test my neutrality, just reply this message with allegations raised on narendra modi or arvind kejriwal with references. I'll love to add those to their pages.Reverting a genune edit(with reference to each claim) and trying to shift the debate from allegations to a Modi-Congress fight is not expected from wikipedia editers like Sitush.--KakaDesi 05:47, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Controversy sections
Dedicated controversy sections in BLPs has long been frowned upon and there are numerous discussions about this, including at least two relevant threads right on this talk page. Continually attempting to insert such sections is a violation of WP:BLP, WP:DUE etc. If any such incidents are in fact notable, are in fact more than just allegations made by opposition politicians and the press and are in fact verifiable to a standard that complies with WP:BLPCRIME then they should form a part of the whole article, not be consigned to a POV-magnet separate section. This is standard practice and I'm becoming fed up of frenzied attempts to breach it. Take a look, for example, at the Activities section in the current article. - Sitush (talk) 20:57, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Misinformation in early life section ?
As per Jalgaon district article in 1906 Khandesh district was split into 2 and renamed as West Khandesh and East Khandesh district, East Khandesh includes Jalgaon district. East Khandesh got renamed in circa1960 as Jalgaon district. Nadgaon, the birth place of this subject in in Jalgaon district that means in 1934 when P. Patil was born she was born in East Khandesh district of British India and not in Jalgaon district, It should be changed - X : She was born in Jalgaon district, Maharashtra. Y : She was born in East Khandesh district (Now Jalgaon district) of Bombay state, British India. Success think (talk) 13:37, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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