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| <div style="align: center; padding: 1em; border: solid 2px black; background-color: white;">Ðus, ik säge: | |||
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| Thanks. --] (]) 19:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
| You shouldn't have removed the reference to the Melburnian usage of ]. This infomation is correct (I live in Melbourne). Rejecting it as irrelevent is like saying that Australian English is non-sequitur because the articles main Englishes are British and American English. It's also as if Australia is non-squitur simply because each side of the Atlantic is more important or somehow (inherently) superior.]:-( | |||
| :Aww. As I do not live in Melbourne, I wouldn't know, but perhaps one could edit the first mention of Australia to say "In Australia, and especially so Melbourne, ...". Now, as I'm writing this, I however notice the difference between railfan and tramfan and thus I agree with you that it should stay! ] 14:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Question relating to statement you made on Ambi's talkpage == | |||
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| Hey there. You wrote on Ambi's talk page "Did you know that Australian could have been bilingual as well a multicultural? We could have had an antipodean teutophone "Québec" (South Australia)?" As someone born and schooled in Adelaide, I hadn't heard of any moves to make South Australia bilingual. In fact, besides the small German population in the Adelaide hills, South Australia was the most British of colonies and I can't see what other language they would have used. I'd be interested to hear what you know of this. Cheers --] 05:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I posted my comment before I saw your interest in electric trams; I was really talking about steam road vehicles, sorry. These tend to have relatively much smaller, but quicker reacting, boilers to enable frequent stops for deliveries etc. Any continuous bleed would be risky because the water level would drop too much. As regards the "dead man's handle" on a road vehicle: with the exception of trams, the driver would be steering, wouldn't he/she? | |||
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| This reminds me of a story told me by the old footplateman who taught me to fire and drive steam railway locos. He switched to diesel when steam was phased out, but soon left to become a lorry driver. This might expain why: One of his routes was the local commuter line I use to get to and from work. In a casual conversation I mentioned that the long tunnel just before my evening station was very handy for waking me up in time for the stop. "Funny you should say that", he said, "the same thing used to happen to me when I was driving".] 15:46, 16 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks. --] (]) 21:46, 20 February 2008 (UTC) | |||
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| Please use ] to file translation requests. Machine "translation" is worse than nothing. Usually our human translators create decent articles within weeks to months, but babelfish nonsense doesn't get properly cleaned up for months to years. To improve the situation, I will now speedily delete ] because I think it qualifies as patent nonsense. If you use machines to create articles, please clean them up yourself. Thank you, ] ] 04:35, 20 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ]] has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at ]. Thank you.<!--Template:Tfdnotice--> — <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:1px 0 0 1px">]</span>, and <span style="border:dashed #666;border-width:0 1px 1px 0">]</span> 02:05, 10 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
| :Well, I just click the "delete" button, but I'm an admin :-) If you want a page that nobody but you has touched deleted, you can tag it {{tl|db-author}} if you think it is no longer useful. Anything you need deleted? | |||
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| :Oh, and sorry for being harsh above, but Babelfished articles are my pet peeve on Misplaced Pages. Happy editing, ] ] 05:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| ::The standards for inclusion in Dutch and English Misplaced Pages are probably similar. I have deleted the article not because the topic is not notable (it is), but because the content was almost unreadable. ] ] 05:18, 20 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Quit to this article. You should know better than to litter Misplaced Pages with such things. ] 02:16, 23 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Articulated trams == | |||
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| Hello, and thanks for your message on my talk page. I've taken a look at ] and have started translating bits of the German-language article, ]. | |||
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| Also, I'd like to ask you to stop creating articles like that have been automatically translated by a computer from German. The quality of these ] translations is very poor, and the amount of copyediting required is virtually the same as with writing a completely new article. It is better to have a ] with two or three meaningful sentences than pages of random ]. Thankyou. --] 15:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Hello there. I am the one who changed the userbox picture. I did so because that Userbox is for people who live in Australia who may or may not be Australians. That flag represents Australians, wherever they may be, not the continent. There is another userbox for Australians, viz. ]. I am cross-posting this on the talkpage of the Australian resident userbox - please give your counterargument there. <span style="font-weight:bold; font-family:monospace; text-decoration:none">]</span> - <span style="font-size:75%">]</span> 06:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==MfD nomination of ]== | |||
| :I haven't heard back on this, so I'm doing a revert. Please do not interpret this as unwillingness on my part to engage in discussion on this issue! <span style="font-weight:bold; font-family:monospace; text-decoration:none">]</span> - <span style="font-size:75%">]</span> 09:12, 26 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Myrtone, I feel as if you think this issue is above discussion. I also feel that this discussion on it should be taking place on the template talk page since it affects everyone who uses it and is not simply an issue between the two of us. Since you are clearly getting quite worked up about this, I'll just change the template on my own userpage, and note your intransigence on the article talk page.<span style="font-weight:bold; font-family:monospace; text-decoration:none">]</span> - <span style="font-size:75%">]</span> 12:59, 26 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Just because you created a template Myrtone, doesn't mean you own it. <span style="font-weight:bold; text-decoration:none">]</span>]] 13:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == TW 6000 == | |||
| I would again ask you to stop adding untranslated or badly translated material to the English-language Misplaced Pages, such as you did with ] recently. As you may know, ], the article that is referred from the <nowiki>{{notenglish}}</nowiki> template, explicitly states: | |||
| ''If the article is a mere copy of (all or part of) an article in a foreign-language Misplaced Pages, it can just get added to Misplaced Pages:Candidates for speedy deletion: we want to discourage people who cut articles from one Misplaced Pages and paste to another without translating. If the intent is to ask for a translation, the correct place to do that is Misplaced Pages:Translation into English.'' | |||
| Putting up machine translations or lots of German text in railway-related articles is not a good practice, as there are very little Misplaced Pages editors with dual fluency that can work on this specific field. It is better to have a small stub that grows into an article over time, than to mindlessly copy content and clutter pages. Therefore, please stop this practice now. Thankyou. --] 11:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :As mentioned below, another good solution is to create a subpage of your user page where you can work on a translation. Once the translation is finished, it can be moved (or cut and pasted) to article space. ] (] • ]) 13:20, 26 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == {{tl|User deamocarcy (passive:Yes)}} == | |||
| Did you intentionally create {{tl|User deamocarcy (passive:Yes)}} with that spelling? If so, why if I may ask? --] 19:47, 25 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == {{tl|db}} tags on templates == | |||
| Please be sure that you are only tagging templates for speedy deletion which fall under our ] criterion T1 for being divisive or inflammatory. Some of them, like {{tl|User Aspie}}, are clearly not that. If you feel something should be deleted for other reasons, you might go check out ]. (])<sup>(])</sup> 11:43, 26 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Speedy deletion works that way: if someone disagrees with it, you either leave it alone or list it on appropriate forum, such as ] in this case. If people disagree with speedy deletion, then it's not a speedy deletion candidate. ] 11:45, 26 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I reverted your CSD requests mostly because that action placed dozens and dozens of user pages to ]. If you want them deleted, take it (again) to ]. I don't think you can find an admin to speedy delete a bunch of templates just because you don't like them. ] 11:46, 26 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Stadler GTW == | |||
| Hi, if you like, I can restore your draft translation at a user subpage (e.g. ]), where you can work on it in peace. Once you've finished the translation, ''then'' put it in article space. ] (] • ]) 13:18, 26 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Your "translations" == | |||
| I am getting a bit upset at your behaviour, especially your edits with ]. It is _not_ helpful to translate single words like prepositions or articles and leave the rest unattended, as this practice messes up the sentences and makes the whole thing harder to read for native speakers who might want to translate the sections in chunks at a time. If you cannot translate whole sentences from German, I kindly request you not to do translations then and to stay clear of the needy articles. Your changes have been reverted. Thankyou. --] 08:27, 28 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Moving pages == | |||
| Hi, part of moving pages is fixing double redirects. Please go and make sure all redirects point to the new title. Thanks! ] 12:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Archive deletion== | |||
| I deleted your two archives as you requested. If you need any more help, let me know. Thanks! ] ] 17:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == American, British, etc. == | |||
| Sorry Myrtone, but I ultimately had to revert all your moves---this is too tricky a point, we should at least seek consensus. There's a whole ''category'' named "American and British English differences," and your proposed titles were a tad cumbersome (why not English differences around the world, or something like that?) I do understand the fact that Australians, Canadians, etc. might feel left out. But the problem is, American vs. British is an encyclopedic topic we can't ignore or overlook; articles about American vs. British English are not even required to cover even Australian, New Zealand, South African, Indian, or Kiribati usage---they are about "American vs. British." American and British English do deserve priority and should be prioritized, as per history, literature, references, etc. All other varieties of English do have their own pages where they are duly described. Most of all, the phrase ''Commonwealth English'' doesn't really mean a thing in this respect, as many of us have realized. We don't even have enough literature to give in-depth, thorough coverage of all the dialects of the English Language; the ] would become an unsanitary mess if we were to factor in all possible Englishes---we better just shut it down forever. But I did think about adjusting the pages that deal with vocabulary---to accommodate just Canadian and Australian usage, as I posted elsewhere. But this would require great exertion indeed, and I had planned on this as a long-term project. For starters, we should have strong foundations; then, we can think about it. I apologize for reverting your changes, but I felt they were inappropriate, at least for the time being. I hope you understand, I hope you're not mad at me. If you want to discuss, just drop me a line, I'm always here for you and ready to listen to your suggestions. Best, ] 20:57, 29 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I'd like to point out that Myrtone has again added a template to the wrong date in TFD even after these warnings, and moreover nominated it seemingly for explicitly ideological reasons. <span style="font-weight:bold; text-decoration:none">]</span> - <span style="font-size:75%">]</span> 07:49, 1 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :In your response to this comment on my talkpage, you assert that you had no way of knowing under which date to put the TFD. I find the idea that you have no way of knowing today's date implausible. <span style="font-weight:bold; text-decoration:none">]</span> - <span style="font-size:75%">]</span> 08:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :The reason I have just added this, Myrtone, is that I only just realised that frivolous deletion nominations count as vandalism in Misplaced Pages policy. <span style="font-weight:bold; text-decoration:none">]</span> - <span style="font-size:75%">]</span> 08:24, 1 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Drug free! == | |||
| Im just a bit shocked at seeing that the template "not drug free" is being considered for deletion just because it is considered by you as 'socially innapropriate'. To me, recreational drug use is personal choice that shouldnt pose a problem for society at all in the first place. And my right to say that I use drugs recreationally should be upheld, since I do not put it on my page to brag about it, but rather as an indication and a clue as to what I like or who I am. Isnt that what these templates were made for? Of course some people aren't going to like reading these templates that describe you, as some people dont like traits of personality in others; but that doesnt mean we should be blanked of a possibility to describe one of my favourite hobbies. --] 07:53, 1 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Drug free! == | |||
| The fact is, I AM transgressing international drug laws by consuming drugs recreationally. May I remind you kindly though, that Misplaced Pages is a place where these laws do not apply (Misplaced Pages is not a country, simply an encyclopedia). Misplaced Pages never supports international laws, just its own that are based on neutral points of views that try to comply with the many cultural and social points of view in the world. This is the greatest strength of Misplaced Pages; a place where people try and agree on unbiased articles and views. Stopping us from exhibiting this point of view would contradict directly with these principles. Following your point of view, shoudnt you go further with your idea and try to put in the 'recreational drugs use' article that it is morally wrong to use drugs? Such an edit would be immediatly deleted. As I said, it is just a point of view and a 'hobby' for me to use drugs recreationally. Nothing more, nothing less. | |||
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| You critize me by saying my beliefs are 'based on the loose morals inherent in US liberterianism and US style liberterianism'. How can that be since 1) I am a French citizen 2) My morals are very well set and I stick by them; they are simply more open minded and less 'politically correct' than yours, that I will agree. Political correctness should stay in the realm of politics and has no reason to exist in an encyclopedia; the world, the real world, the world Misplaced Pages seeks to describe and learn about is not politically correct. | |||
| I do not believe, and this is central to our argument,that it is 'morally wrong to display illegal activity' as you say. Because illegal activity happens, we cannot ignore it or turn a blind eye, wishing it to go away. Just because something is illegal, does NOT mean it is morally wrong! Although God is the law, civil law is not represented by God. | |||
| I believe more wikipedians adhere to my view than your very short sighted one. | |||
| Good luck!--] 16:25, 2 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Time's article on transportation safety == | |||
| Hi, I enjoyed reading that article you have on your userpage. You may want to consider, however, Misplaced Pages's policy on ]. There is more latitude on user pages, but it is frowned upon to have cut and pasted materials. Thanks!--] <sup>(])</sup> 21:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I don't know why you're thanking me, but you're welcome nonetheless. – ] (] | ]) 00:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| If you don't want to be blocked, please refrain from making posts such as one. Thanks. ] ] 16:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| Sorry, I can't help with this. There is no interwiki link to ] from ], so it might be there isn't one? My best suggestion is to ask someone in ] as they'll probably have a better idea where to look than I do. Sorry. ] 14:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| I don't think it will go down too well fo' shizzle. ] 12:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Trams of Bordeaux == | |||
| I can try to help, but my French isn't all that great - you might want to enlist somebody from Bordeaux... A problem with the article is that it isn't all that great, and should be restructured - possibly by moving the "current" section to the beginning, and turn the rest into a rudimentary "History" section. Unfortunately the article doesn't say anything about where the 38 lines in 1946 came from etc. Actually, you should probably try to find an additional source for the article somewhere. I have translated (and reworded) a bit of the first and last paragraph, I hope that helps. Happy editing, ] ] 13:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| It is indifferent. The flag is being used in the template mentioned in ], so using a different picture differentiates the two. Just because other templates use a similar fallacy doesn't mean this one should. – ] (] | ]) 00:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :A fallcy is something that is wrong. The other templates shouldn't be using flags for residency, either. Just because they haven't been fixed doesn't mean this one should be wrong. I'm not the only one who agrees with this assessment. – ] (] | ]) 00:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| How am I ignoring you? I gave two specific reasons. One, non-fair use images cannot be used in userboxes. Two, use the current flag. Why? Because that is the current, accepted flag for the nation as a whole. In this instance, creating a template specifically stating that said user is specifically aboriginal would be appropriate, but using that flag would not be. It would have to be generic. – ] (] | ]) 03:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :It was a spelling mistake. Anyway, you have the two reasons. The image is fair use and not every Australian is aboriginal. ] is generalized for every citizen. – ] (] | ]) 04:18, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] is for those living in Australia. Native or not, anyone living there is still living there. The second template you made reads exactly the same, makes no distinction, and only uses a different image. It's an unnecessary fork because of these reasons. – ] (] | ]) 08:21, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Fine lines are irrelivant in most cases, and lead to unnecessary forking. Say a person has lived in Australia for a year. Does the fact that they've only lived there a short time mean there are living there any less than someone who has been living there for 10 years? Or 20 years? Or was born there? Does a period of time somehow preclude them from claiming that they've living in Australia? No. They are all still living there. There is absolutely no need to differentiate between differing periods of time between individual users. Like I stated earlier, the only reasonable fork template would be one claiming you are aboriginal. – ] (] | ]) 08:33, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Also, you seem to mistake the definition of fallacy. Fallcy is something that is wrong. Neither template is stating anything wrong in the situations you describe. You are living in Australia, are you not? Just because your father was the only one born there does not mean this fact is any less valid, nor does it mean you are any less Australian than the guy who's family has been there for generations. – ] (] | ]) 08:37, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::The number of generations is irrelevant. Anyone who is a citizen of Australia is Australian. Anyone who currently resides in Australia is living in Australia. Anyone using these types of userboxes will fall into one, the other, or both. The only third option would be "of Australian descent," which would likely never be used. As for my background, since you asked, it's half American and half British. My family has resided in America for two generations. Regardless, were it one or five, we would still be Americans by virtue of the fact that we are citizens of this nation, and are residency here would not be contigent on whatever period of time we had been here. – ] (] | ]) 09:24, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::This has nothing to do with centrism, so don't try to make that an issue. You're simply arguing semantics. ] applies to '''anyone''' living in Australia. This is regardless of how long they may have been doing so or how much of their family did. The same goes for ]. Anyone who is a citizen of Australia is Australian, regardless of the factors mentioned above. I cannot make it any clearer than this. However, if you want an example: | |||
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| These are the two versions of the template you made. Tell me this. How exactly am I supposed to tell if a user is not native. You make no distinction? These templates only differ by a picture. – ] (] | ]) 14:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Stop trying to make this about whether or not I've been to Australia. It's not relevant and mildly annoying. I'm making a simple point here. You're pointlessly splitting hairs with these forks, which in no way differentiate between the two as I've illustrated above. – ] (] | ]) 07:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::This isn't an assumption of culture or anything like that. It's a simple matter of an appropriate image. Logic dictates that if you want to show that you live in a country, then showing a picture of the country is appropriate. It also dictates that identifying oneself as a citizen of the country would mean showing said country's flag would be appropriate. What part of this makes any assumption of a user's culture? – ] (] | ]) 07:23, 11 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Some degree of generalization is necessary. I happen to know that there are at least five different accepted versions of the Australian flag. Should we make a template saying the exact same thing some five-odd times over just to accomdate a different image? Of course not. They would be repetitive and largely unused. The Australian flag is an internationally recognized symbol of that nation, and international recognition is just as important as a user's point of view on what the flag should or should not look like. Officially speaking, the flag in use is the flag representing that nation. Any other flags would not be as helpful for this particular use. – ] (] | ]) 07:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I just read the article about the flag. – ] (] | ]) 18:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Leipzig tram == | |||
| I translated the rest of that stub, you should copyedit it. Happy editing, ] ] 15:20, 11 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Seatbelts on trams/trains == | |||
| Hi - I'm not aware of any cases of seatbelts on trams or trains. --] 10:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Unfriendliness to IP users == | |||
| Misplaced Pages currently allows users who do not have accounts to edit pages, you should take note of this and be friendlier to those who don't have accounts.<small>—''preceding ] comment by'' ] (] • ]) {{{2|}}}</small> | |||
| == Signature == | |||
| When you sign your post, your initials appear in bold, how do you do this, do you just type it in manually or something?] | |||
| :In the nickname section of ] I have <nowiki>]</nowiki> (with Raw signature ticked) which produces --] 16:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: reversion == | |||
| Myrtone, get real. Read your revision of ''Canadian English'', and realize that no serious scholar in the world (including Australia) would write that way. ], 14:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC) Put it another way, Australian English doesn't count for much when talking about Canadian English. | |||
| ''Context''. That's what it's all about. In that _context_, your references where out of line. --], 14:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Again, it's context what matters. If a page reads, "this thing is called X in Britain and Y in the U.S.," with no mention of other English-speaking countries, then it's really UK/US centric, and it's _desirable_ that the phrasing be changed to "this thing is called X in Britain and Australia and Y in the U.S. and Canada," or "X in Britain and many Commonwealth countries and Y in the U.S." etc. But Canadian English has little/nothing to do with English as spoken in countries other than Britain and the U.S.; the fact that English as spoken in certain esp. Commonwealth countries like Australia is close to English as spoken in Britain is pretty much irrelevant ''in that context''. --], 19:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Nominating for RfA == | |||
| If you would like to nominate someone for adminship, please follow the directions outlined ] and ]. ]]] 06:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Re: British English... == | |||
| No way. Ireland has nothing to do with the Commonwealth, and British English does, usually, include Irish English, and always includes Scottish English. Scottish English and Irish English influenced American English also. --], 19:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Reverted your last edit. Commonwealth spelling is an incorrect term, every way you slice it, especially the way you used it on that page. ], 12:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Anyway, you should know Australian spelling is *not* British spelling and Australian English is *not* British English. For the time being however your remarks are little more than original research; the term ''British English'' has been in use for 150 years or so. The "raising" is not realized everywhere in the same way; Paul Simon's realization, for instance, is conspicuously different from that of, say, a Wisconsinite. --], 14:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC) ''ipso facto'' = by that very fact. | |||
| ::Indeed. *Much* the same, not *exactly* the same. There are differences. Australian spelling cannot be regarded as "British spelling." ], 14:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::And FYI ''-ize'' was not an invention by Noah Webster. It was the original spelling, *subsequently* changed by the British. And ''-or'' spellings were somewhat popular in C19 Australia, didn't you know? Who are you to give me spelling lessons, given your somewhat faulty knowledge? ], 15:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::C19 = 19th century. According e.g. to Pam Peters, those spellings were found in newspapers and some legal codes, especially in Victoria and South Australia---not to mention the name of the ]. By then, the phrase "officially accepted" didn't mean a thing, and even now, I'm told, most publishing houses and newspapers print their own style guides for their writers and editors, although your federal government has its own Style Manual. And btw, ''Englander'' doesn't mean a thing also. People from England are collectively called ''the English''; a person from _New England_ is a ''New Englander''. --], 20:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I apologize if you took offense, but I didn't really mean to bully or harass you. You can't say that Australia uses British spelling, that you don't know what ''ipso facto'' means, that ''-ize'' spellings were invented by Webster, that an ''Englander'' is someone from England, etc., and then complain and talk behind my back because it seemed to me that your knowledge on this topic is not perfect---and I was outspoken and honest enough to tell you what I thought. Other people may just continue talking with you, faking it, and putting you on, but I don't like acting like that. If someone writes something incorrect on my talk page, I guess I have a right to strike it out. --], 20:34, 23 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::That basically works for me. The meat & potatoes is, English as spoken in Australia has developed its distinctive features and traits, w.r.t. vocabulary, word formation, and even spelling---maybe not so distinctive, but enough for Australian English to be considered a full-fledged dialect. And did you know that the word ''finalize'', often thought of as an Americanism, originated in Australia? ], 12:50, 24 May 2006 (UTC) (OK, possibly with another spelling...) | |||
| ::::::Meat and potatoes is an idiom, it means "the basic thing." Again, you misunderstood; I said, that <u>works</u> for me. I allow that Australian spelling is much the same as British spelling, and I have no doubt about it. Yet it's not _identical_ (think for example of ''-ise'' and ''-ize''. ''-ize'' is as rare as hen's teeth in Australia, but is endorsed by many sources in England; British Oxford dictionaries prioritize ''-ize'', but the Australian Oxford Dictionary has ''-ise'' as the main form; ''program'' is more used in Australia than in Britain; etc.; see also ]). I'm perfectly comfortable with your point, and with the fact that ''writer'' and ''rider'' are not homophonous in most Canadian speech; the case is closed as far as I'm concerned. Best, ], 13:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I've left a reminder to not edit the comments of others and for ] to be kept in mind on the talk page of ]. Please let me know if any further issues arise. -- ] 02:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Aboriginal vs Indigenous in Canadian English== | |||
| Saw your edit; you're wrong, aside from the spelling mistake on "indigenous". While the Australian usage is well-known enough, in Canada there's a distinction between the two, and in the case of "aboriginal", there's a legal definition. To whit, that Inuit and Metis (halfbreeds, whether of historic Metis stock or other Indian-white/asian/whatever) are also "aboriginal" as well as "Indian" (for which in Canada the preferred poli-cor term is "First Nations" or First Nations person/people/man/woman". And the Metis are not indigenous, nor, if you listen to the First Nations arch-ideologues, neither are the Inuit. So "aboriginal" DOES have a specific meaning in Canada, which obviously you were unaware of. I didn't change the edit back but you're welcome to do so yourself. ] 02:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Further to this (inserting here) you might want to have a look at the ] and its Talk page, as well as ].] 02:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| And as far as the British/Aus/Commonwealth English thing goes, I supervised the WP pool at the World Bank Conference here years ago and had to deal with 80-120 different brands of official English; 50-70 of them from the Commonwealth, and none of them exactly like each other (the Conference provided us a detailed prospectus of each delegation's preferred use of English - mostly spelling differences - and I had to be completely aware of them all, and counter-check what my underlings had done before releasing it ot the delegation for distribution. Singapore, Malaysia, Hongkong and Australia all have different English spelling systems from each other; as do Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Burma/Myanmar and India.] 02:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Do you believe that there might be some who would be under the impression that non-North American aboriginal languages might have affected Canadian English? I think it is fairly intuitive that the term "aboriginal" refers to a population native to a given locality, in this case, Canada. ] 05:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Any particular reason why you're linking to a blank uncyclopedia page from that article? I thought I'd ask before deleting it again; am I missing something? - ] 18:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Edit conflicts == | |||
| Plese be careful with . I am sure it was an accident, so this is just a friendly reminder.--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 18:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Bordeaux tramway network == | |||
| Just to let you know I have added my suggested translation/adaptation from the French to your page ]. -- ] 14:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Electromagnetic ]== | |||
| I moved your point about the grip of steel versus rubber to the top. "Typically when disc brakes fail" sounded as though they often fail, which they dont(!), so I left this bit out. I hope that's OK. ] | |||
| == More from JackLumber == | |||
| Myrtone, | |||
| * ''Blasphemy'' was but a ]. | |||
| * Nobody says (in books, papers, etc.) that "Canadian spelling is a mixture of British/Irish and American spelling." With respect to written English, ''British'' English usually includes English as used in Ireland ("British" here means "related to the British Isles"). ''Irish English'' is a term used, for example, when pointing out the differences in spoken language between Ireland and, say, Scotland or England. | |||
| * The MoS should be taken with a grain of salt, exactly like every other Misplaced Pages article. When an article is patently wrong, it should be fixed. As a linguist, I normally don't give a damn about spelling---spelling has little to do with _language_. | |||
| * Speaking of spelling, ''unauthorized'' is never spelled with a ''u''---not even in Australia :-) | |||
| * There is _no_ sense in having the German term next to the English terms at ]. Why not also Swedish, Hindi, or Afrikaans? | |||
| Best, ], 13:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Uncyclopedia == | |||
| :You may want to read . Useful information about this place.<br>Here are some other helpful places for new users:<br>]<br>--] 20:27, 26 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hello, | |||
| I realize there's some history of this on your talkpage already, but I'm asking afresh -- hopefully with none of the other baggage others may have on the topic -- why is it we should have the German translation of "Railroad switch" in the lead sentence of the article? —] (]) 23:02, 31 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The reason why I resotred it a while ago (as a registered user) was becuase, and I have been emphasisng this point for a long time and it has been ignored, I discovered it on ], however ] has now removed it, the reason I still keep restoring it is becuase my aforementioned point keeps being ignored. ]:-( | |||
| ::And what is your "aforementioned point"? I'm honestly not understanding you here. —] (]) 02:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == {{tl|euro-rail-stub}} == | |||
| I have reverted your arbitrary move and rename of {{tl|euro-rail-stub}} to {{tl|europ-rail-stub}}. This was both unneccessary and inconvenient. We have a seperate WikiProject, ], for that, and it'd be greatly appreciated if you would get '''CONSENSUS''' there first before shuffling things around like that! If you don't have a clue how Misplaced Pages works, don't break things just because you feel it is "wrong", but '''ASK''' goddamnit. --] 07:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Yes. It appears an administrator has enabled a 1 week block. Unfortunately, I have no powers at Uncyclopedia (I'm not even a registered member). Misplaced Pages has no relation to Uncyclopedia whatsoever as far as I am aware, other than both sites using the same ] software. Sorry I cannot be of any help. -- ] 00:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Language wikis == | |||
| No, I don't have an account on any other language wikipedia because people are always getting edgy about non-fluent speakers making poor translations and other mistakes. What was it that ] said on my user page? It was something about ] being too quick or something. My German's not up to scratch. ] 12:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hi, re . ]. ]]</font> <sub>(]+])</sub> at 11:46 ] <small>(])</small> | |||
| :By the way, your signature is a bit irritating. Can you please keep it simple and not use <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> in it? ]]</font> <sub>(]+])</sub> at 11:49 ] <small>(])</small> | |||
| :There was nothing profane in that. ]]</font> <sub>(]+])</sub> at 12:09 ] <small>(])</small> | |||
| ::I have made myself very clear on my page - I have the right to remove any comments from my talk page, as does any established user from theirs (as long as they are not vandalism warnings). Please do not re-add your section if you have nothing more to add. ]]</font> <sub>(]+])</sub> at 13:05 ] <small>(])</small> | |||
| == ] == | |||
| On this RFA, you opposed saying ''"no templates on his userpage sigifying'' ''ability to comunicate in a non-native language and cannot prove such an ability.''" I don't understand why an admin has to be multilingual. Also, some users do not like to have userboxes/templates on their userpages, so I don't think your vote is providing fair rationale.--<span class="user-sig user-Shreshth91">May the Force be with you! ]]]]</span> 12:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :BTW, please do not use <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> in your signature; it's very irritating. --<span class="user-sig user-Shreshth91">May the Force be with you! ]]]]</span> 12:13, 8 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I concur with Shreshth91. You are giving the appearence, whether you mean to or not, of making a ] with your recent oppose votes on several RfAs. Its made worse because you oppose on grounds that very few editors would agree with and don't state the rationale anywhere (that I have found). Why do you believe that editors of en.wikipedia need to speak a non-English language and advertise that on their user page? It would help me if you could explain the reasoning behind this. A number of editors have a subpage for their RfA standards, perhaps that would help? ]]] 13:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
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