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==References to use== | |||
:''Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.'' | |||
*{{cite book | last=Burstein | first=Matthew | year=2009 | chapter=The Thanatoria of ''Soylent Green'': On Reconciling the Good Life with the Good Death | title=Bioethics at the Movies | editor-last=Shapshay | editor-first=Sandra | publisher=] | pages=275–296 | isbn=0801890772 }} | |||
*{{cite book | last1=Murray | first1=Robin L. | last2=Heumann | first2=Joseph K. | year=2009 | chapter=Environmental Nostalgia and The Tragic Eco-Hero: The Case of ''Soylent Green'' and 1970s Eco-Disaster Film | title=Ecology and Popular Film: Cinema on the Edge | series=Horizons of Cinema | publisher=] | pages=91–108 | isbn=0791476774 }} | |||
==Overpopulation?== | |||
Does the film explicitly state that the world is overpopulated? The impression I always got from this film is that the masses are forced to live in cities (not suburbs, exurbs, or rural areas). Heston mentions that the countryside is heavily guarded and is used to grow food for the elite. ] (]) 21:31, 21 June 2010 (UTC) | |||
:The beginning of the movie shows the date, the city, and the population which is 40 million. Later on in the movie Sherly and Thorn talk about the "other cities" which are no different and that the farms in the country are under military guard. ], 2013-09-19 16:04:31 | |||
:: To be specific, the whole point of the introductory sequence of the movie is to show the human population (at least in the United States) exploding over the generations since the early decades of the country. It ends at AD 2020, showing New York City having a population of 40 million. So, yes, the implication is quite clear, that this is the result of a ] ], and now there are too many people to feed. (No mention is made about the rest of the world, which we can only assume is at least as bad.) — ] (]) 23:38, 24 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
==Source of the bodies== | |||
It has been a few years since I watched the movie, but I'm fairly certain that the only confirmed source of the bodies was from the euthanasia clinics. Thorn follows the truck that takes Sol away from the euthanasia center and sees that it winds up at the food processing plant. There are riot scoops that appear early on in the film and scoop people up into the backs of trucks, but it's never hinted that those are the primary source of meat. Since they're called in by the police, presumably the people scooped into them go to jail. --] 09:13, 13 August 2005 (UTC) | |||
Yeah, I just watched it, and I did not see any implication that the people picked up by the scoops were taken to the processing plant. A recent edit reinserted the statement that they were. I'm going to revert it. -- ] 22:59, 9 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
Well since the riots start with a food shortage and end when the supply of soylent rations is back, then the goverment would have to have recived a large influx of ingredients during the riot. it would make sense to utilise all the extra meat they could get, and the rioters could be that extra meat. ] 15:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
That's conjecture, and not allowed see ]. ]] 00:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
Conjecture or inference? | |||
: Conjecture. The movie makes no reference to the fate of those scooped. I'd suggest that it would make sense for the government to use all people who died in government custody, but nowhere in the story do they even suggest that. If you can find a credible movie reviewer (i.e. movie reviewer that either Misplaced Pages has an article on, or that IMDb links to) who says that the bodies that are used for Soylent Green come from the scoops, then I have no problem with including it. | |||
: Honestly, have you ever heard of ]? They start when food is scarce, and they end when food comes back. The fact that the food comes back has nothing to do with the fact that people were rioting. In the case of the movie, the food comes only on appointed days, and there's rioting because the people want the food. Soylent Green only comes on Tuesday, and they run out every Tuesday. That's why there's rioting. ]<sub>]]</sub> 2007 July 30, 04:33 (UTC) | |||
::It's been a while, but having just watched the movie, the claim is that the Shortage is due to a "transportation" problem, and not a production shortage. ] (]) 03:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Cultural references== | |||
Does anyone else feal that the 'Cultural references' section is getting out of hand. -- ] 08:32, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC) | |||
:Yes. ] 17:11, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC) | |||
::In fact, looking at the list, I can't think that any of it adds value to the article. I think it could all be replaced by a simple paragraph stating that "Soylent Green has been referenced in numerous movies, TV shows and songs, including <very short list>" ] 17:22, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC) | |||
: Keep the the list: it's interesting and entertaining, and gives reasonable detail to allow understanding of the points. More information on the plot would be welcome, it's obviously very different from the book. - ] 20:08, 5 May 2005 (UTC) | |||
some of those don't have anything to do with soylent green other than cannabalism so they could be removed but the list should stay. | |||
: "Soylent Green is people!" has become such a staple of pop culture that to make a list of every reference to it would be ridiculously unmanagable. I have replaced it with a shorter paragraph called "Cultural impact" that, I hope, explains this phenomenon easier than a list of jokes from various television series could. ] 18:15, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC) | |||
Wish there were some way to get ] in here without being massively spoilerific. Those who've played that game will know what I mean. ] 09:04, 23 February 2006 (UTC) | |||
: Gah! I JUST started playing Xenogears :O!!! ] | |||
: AAARRRGGGH!!! *slaps with a stick* --] 17:43, 11 March 2006 (UTC) | |||
:: Eh, it's pretty damn obvious, when the place is called the "Soylent System" or something similar (been a while since I've played the game. ] (]) 08:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
It seems we're letting a list of references creep in again. Are we going to allow this? I tend to think it's going to get out of hand again. There are probably hundreds of references out there, and people are going to list even the most minor. If we're going to list references, I think we ought to vote on which are most significant. —] 13:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
Regarding the list of references: it should also be expanded to include today's current usage, specifically regarding how people derogatorily refer to stem cell research as Soylent Green. This is important as it pertains to a current issue. ] 18:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
A citation was requested for usages of "Soylent Green" regarding stem cell research. Here are several examples taken from various blogs and forums, commonly discussing the matter of Stem Cell research & relating it to Soylent Green: | |||
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== Connection to Nazi propaganda film? == | |||
] : | |||
<blockquote>When Sol is "going home" the background score on the film is Beethoven's Symphony #6. The same musical piece was used in the Nazi propaganda film ''Der Führer schenkt den Juden eine Stadt'' (The Führer grants the Jews a town). The film was an attempt by the Nazi regime to portray the Jewish ghettos as happy suburban communities.</blockquote> | |||
How exactly does the fact that Symphony No. 6 was used in Nazi propaganda relate specifically to ''Soylent Green''? Does the reference ] cites ("The World at War") actually relate this to the movie? I don't see the connection. The use of the symphony in the "going home" film is not propagandistic. Symphony No. 6 is the "Pastoral" symphony, and so is directly related to the imagery of the film. Symphony No. 6 was also used in ''Fantasia'', but I don't think it's relevant to mention that here. Can anyone justify this addition? —] 04:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
Is there any relation between this movie and the one presented here (The Führer Gives a Village to the Jews) ] ? ] 11:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
It is the same film User 85.204.119.88 points out. Beethoven's #6 is probably used in lots of pieces and it's merely a coincendence in most of them. I remember a Simpson's episode used it once, I'm sure there's no connection. Maybe it is just a coincidence as well but the symbolism of a character clearly identified as Jewish being disposed of by the state strikes me as not coincidental. It may have been done deliberately by the film makers to hint at this. I noticed the score was identical when viewing ] production of ] which came out around the same time. They included a scene from that propaganda film so I listed that as my source since I do not have access to the original film. ] 21:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
Now that is some interesing trivia! In my opinion considering the time frame of the "World at War" series for release, the time frame for release of "Soilent Green", the fact that E. G. Robinson was a Jew, and that the going home aspect is comparable in some ways to the propagada effect from the Nazi piece, it's a fairly valid observation. But I suppose all of this is now cut out due to the trivia aspect. 14:05PT, 15 July. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
==References in ]== | |||
The show mentions Soylent Green ALOT, maybe it should be noted? ] 16:29, 9 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
I'm torn on this because other users are correct that if you list every reference it would go on forever. Then again both are set in New York of the future which could explain the writers using it "ALOT". ] 22:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
Why should it be mentioned? It's made later and has nothing to do with the movie or its production, it should rather be made note of it on the futurama page and redirect to the soylent green page. | |||
==Spoiled Plot Twist Leading to Popularity?== | |||
I do not understand how a movie trailer that spoiled the film's plot twist could have enhanced the popularity of the film or its title as a popular culture term, as suggested in the article. Perhaps this idea could be explained and also referenced - I cannot find anything on this subject, although an analysis on why the term is so often referenced would benefit the article greatly. --] 00:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Well, when you think about it, a movie that has nothing going for it but "in the future, this one kind of food is, like, ''really'' popular" isn't going to garner nearly as much interest as cannibalism. People are interested in, say, the ] for its own sake, or of ], and even the ], but Soylent Green is an interesting case where the twist is almost its ''only'' hook. —] 19:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC) | |||
::What are you talking about? The trailers (short and long versions both) did NOT at any time show or state what "the secret of Soylent Green" actually was. --] (]) 08:15, 14 April 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Delisted GA== | |||
I have delisted the article as a GA, per the following (copied from ])--] 00:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
There are no references what so ever. Also, the article only contains a plot summary, trivia, and a small paragraph on the cultural impact. If this is all it takes to make a good article then the Clerks. page i've been working on should also be a good article. Andman8 20:50, 28 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
:'''Delisted''' I'm not sure what the guidelines are for the plot summaries, probably no references are necessery, but there are other things that need references on that article - for instance the cultural impact and the trivia sections.--Konstable 23:59, 28 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
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"New Orleans Sludge-metal Band Soilent Green" - this is un-encyclopaedia-like. I could change it to "splash-metal" and it would be just as meaningful | |||
Un-encyclopaedia like? You mean, writing for dumb people? Dumbing things down by using incorrent terms, or in this case, not the right terms, is rather "un-encyclopaedia like". <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
== Trivia reference: National Public Radio == | |||
On April 1, 2007, the ] show "Weekend Edition", as an ] prank, added a tag line indicating that it was "... sponsored by the Soylent Corporation, manufacturers of Soylent Green. Soylent Green is people." | |||
The spoof was admitted on their April 8 show. | |||
I'd post this text directly, but want to check the actual quote before I do so. | |||
] 12:44, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Interesting, but I don't think it's appropriate to add mention to the article. This article used to have a giant section filled with many, many references by other works. It was removed as an unmanageable list. See ] on this page for some of the discussion. The movie is a pop culture thing, and as such gets referenced frequently. Every such reference is thus not automatically notable. See ] and ] for the rationale behind this. Thanks for taking the time to post about it here, though. —] <small>(])</small> 14:10, 8 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
:Well, I'd never heard of this movie so I specifically looked for the references section and found none... it would be nice to see a few that aren't the sci-fi genre just self-referencing. NPR is prime. ] 08:08, 17 April 2007 (UTC) | |||
==Redundant spoiler tag== | |||
This is one of many articles on Misplaced Pages that contain a redundant warning after the clearly labelled "Plot synopsis" section heading or something similar. I have removed this unnecessary typographical element because the meaning of the heading is clear. --] 01:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC) | |||
However the first paragraph contains a significant spoiler (i.e. the lasts line of the film) without actually having a spoiler warning - please can this ee reinstated. CheShA | |||
:A "Plot Synopsis" or "Summary" is by definition a "plot spoiler". This is not a movie review site or IMDB, it should be assumed that the article will give a more or less complete rundown of the important elements of the movie. Think in terms of Cliff Notes. The whole idea of having to "warn" someone that a WIkipedia article on a movie "might" contain plot details is just silly. ] 02:52, 6 October 2007 (UTC) | |||
== color or black and white? == | |||
Why are the IMDB photos sometimes in black and white? Are there two different versions of the film? | |||
:Because it was the early 1970's, and most hollywood promotional images back then were done in black & white photography. It was just the times, and the way hollywood did things back then. ] | |||
== Spoiler or not? == | |||
Because of the film's cult popularity, the term "soylent green" <b>and the famous last line "Soylent Green is people!" have become catch phrases in English.</b> Many subsequent works refer to Soylent Green for either dramatic or comedic effect. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
It's a spoiler, but no spoiler warnings please. See ].--] (]) 11:38, 18 June 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Intro == | |||
The intro says "Soylent green is the supposedly natural, but really artificial, plankton food product at the center of the story." If Soylent green is people, doesn't still make it natural? Either way it's not a very good introduction. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
== Trivia == | |||
Futurama has an episode where there's a mock "Iron Chef" cook-off, and the main ingredient is Soylent Green. Not sure if this should be in, but it's the type of thing you'd find in a lot of other movie articles currently on Misplaced Pages. --Scottymoze | |||
Joking references to "Soylent Green" are also in ] and ] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:35, 21 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
== Plot synopsis == | |||
I'd like to redo the synopsis as it seems to contain a lot of original research information and assumption, and is a bit overspecific. The thin yellow smog, the "malthusian catastrophe", the government encouraging euthanasia (I didn't see encouragement)... etc. I'd like to par it down to stuff actually explicitly said in the film. Any objections? ] (]) 03:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC) | |||
: Hi, maybe the government wasn't encouraging euthanasia in the same way that the fictional UK government does in some dystopian films (e.g., with propaganda ads and posters), but the film does depict a government euthanasia clinic.] (]) 21:18, 1 June 2008 (UTC) | |||
== Critical response == | |||
I think the critical response section needs work. In my opinion it would be much more relevant to quote a review that was made around the same time the film came out, and then maybe in addition to that quote some more current reviews. This would better show the actual critical response the film got at the time it was published. --] (]) 02:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC) | |||
==greenhouse effect== | |||
I feel that the specific reference to greenhouse gas effects in the introduction is an anachronism. This was not an issue in 1973 (movie), let alone in 1966 (book). Bart van Herk. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:26, 14 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:Maybe not, but the movie does use the term "global warming". | ] (]) 16:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
::The film had an environmental engineer as a consultant. global warming and the greenhouse effect was well known in scientific circles at that time, and i would be shocked if the novelist harry harrison didnt know of it as well. probably came from the novel.] (]) 04:28, 7 November 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::The reference to greenhouse effect should be put back. This movie should be noted for being one of the first dramatizations of global warming. It is not anachronistic. See ]. For example ] wrote in 1968 "the greenhouse effect is being enhanced now by the greatly increased level of carbon dioxide". --] (]) 15:04, 2 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Production method of soylent green? == | |||
I admit that I have not seen the movie...it's quite a ways before my time. However, I am very curious...does the movie go into any details of the actual production of SG, or does it just show bodies going in one end of a machine and wafers coming out the other? Is there any indication of the amount of wafers each human becomes? | |||
I know this is a little morbid...to be honest, I'm currently studying economics and I was considering how an economic graph to describe institutionalized cannibalism would look, based on the topic here. --<span style="background: #CCEECC;">]</span>-<span style="background: #CCCCEE;">]</span>-<span style="background: #EECCEE;">]</span> 03:30, 14 October 2008 (UTC) | |||
:No real details are shown. Thorne sees the bodies (wrapped in bedsheets) move along a conveyor belt and then dropped into a large vat of liquid; walking a bit farther along in the plant, he then sees a conveyor belt holding soylent green wafers. The conversion process is simply implied, albeit rather effectively. (I know this is a plot spoiler, but you wouldn't be reading this if you you didn't already know it.) | |||
:You really should see the movie; its warning about the consequences of mankind's disregard for the planet (and human life) is still relevant today, regardless of whether or not you agree with ]. And it's got one of the most touching scenes ever done by Heston. | ] (]) 16:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
:I don't recall any specifics being detailed either, the whole point is that it's swept under the rug so to speak. But the basic premise seemed to be that once a malthusian point was reached where the food supply was insufficent to meet demand, a way to balance the population with the food supply had to be reached. By culling people of a certain age and making them into food this was achieved. ] (]) 20:49, 23 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
==Global warming== | |||
I see someone added a bit about global warming and I went to check and found it asserted in this article that the first use of the phrase "global warming" was in a 1973 movie called ]. Is that true? ] (]) 16:16, 23 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
:No. At least not according to {{Cite |url=http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/s/soylent-green-script-transcript-heston.html |title=Soylent Green Script - Dialogue Transcript}}. However, global warming is indeed an part part of the plot, and maybe this is the first movie to dramatize the phenomenon? --] (]) 15:19, 2 April 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Overlinking == | |||
I don't have time to fix it now, but someone familiar with the ] should go over this article and de-link most of the internal hyperlinks. For example, we don't need links to "liquor," "soap", "prostitute", "murdered", "videogames", etc. If I have some time, I'll come back and fix this myself... -- ] (]) 15:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
== Impact on Popular Culture Section == | |||
Looks like a bunch of trivia to me, not only this, but can you imagine doing something like this with, say Star Wars? It clutters up the article. ] (]) 05:01, 13 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
:I think I have to agree, it's just a list of every time the film is mentioned. The whole section should go IMO. ] (]) 14:26, 13 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
Anyone else got an opinion on this?] (]) 20:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC) | |||
:In general, my take on "trivia list" sections is that only works that make ''direct'' references (as opposed to parody, indirect, or covert references) to the original work, or somehow incorporate actual snippets or samples of the original work, should be considered as notable enough for inclusion. Thus I support the made of all the references, with the possible (but only slightly possible) exception of the song "Soylent Green" by the German ] band ], since it uses samples from the actual (German-dubbed) film. Mention of a popular catch-phrase from the movie would also be appropriate for inclusion, as long as it had a supporting citation (e.g., from "]"). — ] (]) 18:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
I think some acknowledgement needs to be made of it's pop culture impact just because so many TV shows, other movies ect. reference it. I know many people (myself included until I read the article) who have never seen the film and don't really know anything about it but are still famililar with the name Soylent Green and the line "Soylent Green is people!". It shows the impact the movie had and that it continues to be popular even today. ] (]) 11:11, 29 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
:If third-party ] discuss it, feel free to add information with an appropriate reference. ] (]) 13:52, 29 July 2011 (UTC) | |||
=="Real world analogues?"== | |||
Seriously, what the hell is this section doing here? I'm assuming I can't be the only person who think that is a bad precedent to set for film/literature articles, but then again, it's still here - did I miss a discussion? In the 1984 article, it brings up the fact that people often allude to the book/films for social/political reasons. But I doubt anyone would tolerate a politically-motivated list of Big Brother analogues. ] (]) 20:15, 18 July 2009 (UTC) | |||
----This reference had nothing to do with the subject of the article, so I deleted it. It's a common talking point among militant vegans and is not entirely based on fact. Human hair is not used in the production of human food products.---- | |||
== Added section for the new remake. == | |||
I just added some info and an IMDB link reference to the remake for Soylent Green set to be released in 2012. Not much information is out there on who's in it or if any of it's story gets changed but I got the ball rolling incase anyone knows any information please add it to the main page. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 03:53, 5 December 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
==Production== | |||
removed paragraph from Production which discussed the directors previous experience and later films, none of which has any bearing on this film.] (]) 06:52, 27 December 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Plot == | |||
== Source of ''"Soylent Green is made with people!"'' == | |||
At the end I said: Thorn is then taken away shouting "Soylent Green is people!" It´spart of the movie and it is still under 700 words. | |||
P.S:: Edit warring? I only put my idea in the plot, which only differs from Griffith´s. It was the first time I introduced it. Why is that edit warring?] (]) 19:23, 30 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
:Looking at the edit history, what I see is you making edits, {{user|Mlpearc}} or {{user|Gareth Griffith-Jones}} reverting your edits, and then you reinserting your edits. Per ] it would have been best if you had come here after the first time your edits were undone, especially given your track record. Are they also edit-warring? Possibly. The lack of clear edit summaries is certainly unhelpful. But now we're here and I'll wait to hear from them before forming any further opinions on the matter. ] (]) 19:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
Gareth Griffith-Jones "restored" his "clean" version after I had reduced it from 761 words to 678 words. Who is the edit warrior here? ] (]) 20:08, 30 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Unsourced Material == | |||
:As I told you at my Talk page, ] has nothing to do with edit-warring, and a shorter summary isn't necessarily better (for instance, you could be introducing grammatical errors or other issues). I don't know that Gareth realized they were pushing the article beyond the recommended word count, either. All good reasons why you could have initiated this discussion before I essentially forced the issue. Now let's wait to hear from them. ] (]) 20:28, 30 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
::I welcome your timely intervention,{{U|Doniago|DonIago}},<br />I really feel that I have been wasting my time in attempting to copy-edit this article. The culprit has a history of disruption and needs mentoring. — <strong>]</strong> | ] | ] | 09:30, 31 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::Thanks for speaking up here Gareth. For those just coming into this dispute, like myself, could you provide a bit more information as to which of Arderich's specific changes here you considered disruptive? They make a good point that the plot summary should typically be under 700 words. I'm asking because Arderich clearly doesn't feel their edits were disruptive, so it seems prudent to take a closer look at the actual changes; perhaps retain at least some of them if nobody involved in this discussion finds an issue with them. Thanks again! ] (]) 13:11, 31 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
In light of the continuing edits to this article, which may or may not constitute any level of edit-warring (I didn't look), I'm bowing out and un-watching this article. ] (]) 20:28, 31 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
I've re written the plot section. The improvements are to make the plot less like an explanatory summary to be more a plot synopsis. The explanatory parts are more smoothly incorporated in the synopsis using elements in the movie to reveal them. | |||
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In the film, after the aged Roth learns the truth about Soylent Green and decides to commit suicide, he is asked to select a lighting scheme and a type of music for the death chamber. Roth selects orange-hued lights and "light classical" music. In the death chamber, a selection of classical music (Tchaikovsky, Beethoven, and Grieg) plays through speakers, and films are projected on large screens. As Thorn arrives and gazes upon his dying friend, Dick Van Patten's voice utters the famous line "It's truly unfortunate that you missed the overture". | |||
An opening montage of American cultural images from early 1900 to 2022 illustrating the effects of overpopulation, pollution, and urban decay have caused worldwide diseases, and severe shortages of food, water, and housing. Ending the montage a text box says "New York City population 40 million people. In the film only the city's elite can afford spacious apartments high security, clean water, and natural food. The homes of the elite usually include concubines who are referred to as "furniture", and are implied to be sex slaves. The poor live in squalor, haul water from communal spigots, and eat highly processed wafers, "Soylent Red", "Soylent Yellow", and the latest product the far more flavorful and nutritious, squares of "Soylent Green". Advertised as being made from ocean plankton Soylent Green is in short supply. | |||
The score in this part of the film was conducted by ] and consists of the main themes from ] ("Pathétique") by ], ] ("Pastoral") by ], and the '']'' ("]" and "Åse's Death") by ]. As the music plays, scenes of majestic natural beauty are projected on film screens: "deer in woods, trees and leaves, sunsets beside the sea, birds flying overhead, rolling streams, mountains, fish and coral, sheep and horses, and lots and lots of flowers — from ] to dogwoods".</div> | |||
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:I restored the factual portions of the above that mention the conductor, composers, and piece names, which are visible in the end credits of the movie itself. I did not include any of the flowery opinion text, which was unsourced. — ] (]) 17:47, 31 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
NYPD detective Frank Thorn (Charlton Heston), and his aged friend Sol Roth (Edward G. Robinson), a police research assistant referred to as a "Book", live together in a small apartment cluttered with failing appliances, and bicycle generator. Roth remembers the world when it had animals and real food, He blames a "greenhouse effect" causing catastrophic overheating which Thorn has heard from him many times. | |||
== Simpsons == | |||
A thug is given a hand made wrecking tool which he admires, and uses to break into a high security building at night to murder its wealthy tenant (Josef Cotton). He tells his victim "they" were sorry but he had become unreliable. The victim agrees. The thug asks if this (gesturing with the wrecking bar) is right. The victim says "not right but necessary", and submits to his own murder. | |||
There have been 3 episodes of the Simpsons that have mentioned Soylent Green. "Itchy & Scratchy: The Movie", "Bart to the Future", and "Million Dollar Abie". | |||
Various other articles have Simpsons episodes listed under Cultural References and this article should be no different. http://simpsons.wikia.com/Soylent_Green <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:15, 9 November 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
Thorn, investigating the murder, interviews the building manager, furniture girl Shirl (Liegh Taylor Young), and body guard Tad (Chuck Connors). He is told the victim is wealthy, believed to be retired, William R. Simonson. He also takes food, liquor, linens, and sundries. After negotiating with body collectors/garbage men over a "death benefit" of several hundred low value dollars he hitches a ride home on their garbage truck. | |||
:]. That other articles mention ''The Simpsons'' under a cultural references section does not mean that they have handled it correctly. All cultural references in any article should have secondary sourcing to establish that the reference possesses some element of real-world signficance; Misplaced Pages articles should not contain random lists of popcruft. Also, there's an earlier discussion of Cultural References you may wish to review. ] (]) 20:13, 9 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
Thorn, and Sol examine Simonson's "evidence". Sol is thrilled with the fresh produce, sundries, and liquor but is shocked to tears at the sight of beef. | |||
The Simpsons fall under the relevant category of "cultural references". To be mentioned or mocked on the Simpsons is considered to be one of the greatest forms of flattery available. But I guess this article has been hijacked, like many others, by a self appointed Wik-tator.] (]) 21:18, 9 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
:But at least you're staying professional... According to what source is being mentioned on ''The Simpsons'' "one of the greatest forms of flattery available"? And did you even read the earlier discussions about Cultural References? If you're going to accuse someone of hijacking, you might want to wait for a more clear-cut example of them violating consensus. ] (]) 21:28, 9 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
After Sol enjoys the meal as a starving man, and Thorn as a man who has never had fresh produce or beef would, Sol informs Thorn from a pair of highly technical oceanographic surveys Thorn procured from his investigation that the books were produced by Soylent Industries (its name from a combination of "soybean" and "lentil"), and that Simonson was a board member of Soylent. Sol reminds Thorn Soylent controls the food supply of half of the world. | |||
Imitation is the highest form of flattery ~ Brian Molko. However if you really need a reference, well, here: "The Simpsons: An Uncensored, Unauthorized History" ~ John Ortved ] (]) 22:14, 9 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Well-played, but a book about ''The Simpsons'' would not be sufficient to establish that ''Soylent Green'' references within the show received significant attention. A nod in ''Entertainment Weekly'' or such, that would fit the bill nicely. ] (]) 23:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Adding a single sentence that mentions 3 episodes causes no harm no foul. It is just another nod to how Solent Green has affected pop culture that surrounds us.] (]) 23:58, 9 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
::It sets a precedent for other editors to add "a single sentence" and suddenly we have a 20 item list of cruft. Give it some time for other editors to chime in, or take it to ] if you're feeling impatient. ] (]) 01:22, 10 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
Debriefing his commander, Hatcher, about the disposal of several case files Thorn is chided about not closing them all, and Hatcher blames the age of Sol Roth. On Simonson Thorne says assassination. Asked why not a punk he says because the punk didn't take anything, the punk wasn't a punk. He used a meat-hook instead of a gun to make it look like a punk. Hatcher reaffirms the punk didn't take anything, and asks what Thorn took. Thorn tells him everything he could get his hands on. Hatcher then negotiates "cuts", and disbursement of the death benefit for himself, Thorn, and on behalf of the body collector/garbage men. | |||
::Its been 10 days, no chimes yet.] (]) 10:28, 20 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::You can request a third opinion from an uninvolved party at ] if you'd like. ] (]) 16:25, 21 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
I have meet are off your "personal" requirements. It has now been 11 days, no one else has chimed in. I add to the article and you accuse me of vandalism. Now you want to send me on a wild goose chase. | |||
What is it to you? Other then you wanting to be a simple DICK over the whole matter. CHANGE THE FUCKING ARTICLE.] (]) 21:07, 21 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::A friend of mine is one of the directors of The Simpsons. Shall I call him up and ask him whether being mentioned or mocked on the show is, indeed, the highest form of flattery DEWY believes it is (what's with the ALL-CAPS NAME? USE YOUR INDOORS VOICE!)? I'm sure he's got nothing better to do. Hey, Doniago, you're not just a wiki-tator, but a dicky wiki-tator. Cool. Now you just need someone to call you whacky and you have a new user name.--] 22:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
Investigating Tad's modest apartment after waiting for Tad to leave Thorn discovers Tad does well for himself with good food, and even his own $black$ furniture girl. Stealing a spoon of, what Sol informs him are strawberries at 250 Ds a jar, Thorn is suspicious of how well Tad does for himself. A later visit to Simonson's "furniture" girl Shirl Thorn rebuffs the building manager who is a brutal pimp violently abusing other women for visiting "against the rules". Thorn begins a relationship with Shirl for sex, air conditioning, and hot water. His investigation leads to a priest in an overcrowded church being used as a homeless shelter that Simonson had visited and confessed to shortly before his death. The priest is exhausted, and poorly able to understand Thorn's questions. He can only hint at a truth that is destroying him before he is murdered by Tad on order of the governor. Thorn detects he is being tailed. He shakes the tail, and returns to Tad's apartment beating Tad, and his furniture for the tailing telling Tad to stay off his back. He returns to the police station, and is appalled that despite being tailed Hatcher urges him to close the case by falsifying his report. Thorn accuses Hatcher of being bought. Hatcher says "we're all bought when they pay you". Thorn demands to know who bought him. Hatcher says "high and hot", and they want this case closed, and promises "Cover". Thorn refuses in case "higher and hotter" wants more. As he leaves the office an officer in the squad room tells him he's assigned riot control. | |||
== Trivia? == | |||
Due to a supply bottleneck the supply of Soylent Green has been exhausted during a regularly publicized Tuesday "Soylent Green Day" when Soylent green is dispersed. Hungry masses riot. They are brutally removed from the streets by "scoops", police vehicles so horrible rioters are warned of their coming. The vehicles are modified front lift garbage trucks, that scoop the rioters with large front end loader scoops, and dump them in the vehicle's container. Thorn is attacked, and wounded during a riot, by the same assassin who killed Simonson, but the killer is crushed by a police scoop. | |||
Without commenting on whether or not the material listed ''is'' trivia...I will note that the only information in the section is now reliably-sourced...I will say that I don't believe it's appropriate to call a section "Trivia" if essentially any other heading might be appropriate. Thoughts? ] (]) 14:15, 27 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
:As there's only the one item, we could trim it and add it to the "See also" section: "], a food substitute developed by Rob Rhinehart, named after the film" or similar? We don't need excessive information here, as it has its own article. However, I see no problem with the "Cultural impact" section. I've reverted the rename and removed the tag for trivia as it seems to have been addressed. I'd suggest the user who wants to see this changed discuss here before reverting again. --] (]) 14:24, 27 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::This product is unrelated to the movie in any way. It is simply dietary supliment made with soy, of which there are thousands. The only vague relationship is that it has a name that indicates it is made with soy. This is not sufficient to warrant inclusion, it's not even a cracker, it's a protein drink. =//= ] 20:36, 6 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
::::The article for the food product clearly establishes that it ''is'' related to the film, albeit loosely. If you feel it should not even be included as a "See also" link, you're welcome to start a discussion on that matter. In fact you could have added that as an option to the straw poll but you apparently opted not to do so; a new consensus is necessary at this point. ] (]) 13:38, 7 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
::I wouldn't oppose moving it to "See Also" if that's the consensus. It might help deter the list-bloating issues this article has faced in the past, while a heading such as "Trivia" seems like a magnet for inappropriate information. ] (]) 14:45, 27 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::Yes - changing the title of these sections to "Trivia" can only encourage trivia to be added. I see the editor in question is making a habit of this. --] (]) 14:50, 27 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::::The idea that calling TRIVIA "trivia" attracts more "trivia" *is not* an acceptable reason *NOT* to accurately label something what it is. If it's TRIVIA, it's "trivia". =//= ] 01:09, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
::::I think Rob's idea is a good one. Obviously, if such a section includes trivia (and it's borderline here) we don't rename the section we remove the trivia. But yeah, ultimately we try to discourage "trivia" sections so obviously calling a section by that name is a step back. ] (]) 23:39, 27 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
Folks, the label "In Popular Culture" and similar section labels are a '''SHAM'''. Yes, a SHAM. It is an attempt to include "trivia" without the socially unacceptable label "trivia". But none the less, they are the same thing. ''They are synonyms''. '''Call it what it is, or get rid of it.''' Trivia is trivia. "In Popular Culture" is trivia. I think it is also important to realize and understand that "trivia" *is not* '''verboten''' at Misplaced Pages, there is no absolute rule that says "no Trivia". It is "discouraged" but NOT disallowed. But it is ''disingenuous'' to include "trivia" and call it "In Popular Culture" when in fact it is "trivia". '''Disingenuous'''. Accuracy is key, if it's trivia, call it trivia - and label it as such with the '''trivia tag''', or get rid of it. =//= ] 01:11, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
:Please stop ]. There is no clear consensus in favor of your changes at this time, so please wait until there is a consensus. Thank you for your consideration. ] (]) 04:50, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
::Please stop ]. There is no clear consensus in favor of your changes at this time, so please wait until there is a consensus. Thank you for your consideration. Lists of trivia are in fact legitimately labeled "trivia". That's why there is a Trivia template. I didn't make up the Trivia template myself. You can call it "cultural whatever" but the "Trivia" tag stays because ''the content fills all the requirements''. Removal of a legitimate template without consensus could constitute vandalism. | |||
Roth brings the Soylent oceanographic reports to experts at the Supreme Exchange. The experts reveal that the oceans no longer produce plankton, and deduce from "evidence that is overwhelming" Soylent is involved in some "horrible", "expedient". They also deduce that Simonson's murder was ordered by his fellow Soylent board members knowing "these facts shook his sanity". They tell Roth they need proof that they can bring to the Council of Nations. | |||
::You are going to be "hard pressed" to argue that the "Cultural Impact" section ''does not'' contain a "list of miscellaneous information" which is the definition of "trivia" in the "Trivia" tag. Therefore, the tag is legitimate. You have some ] issues here, maybe you should step back and edit elsewhere for a while. =//= ] 16:46, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::You don't ] the article either, and the changes you're proposing are what is currently being discussed and there is no consensus in favor of your changes. If and when editors are in favor of your changes you're welcome to make them. In the meantime the section should be maintained in a state prior to the contentious edits. ] (]) 17:32, 28 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
Roth is so disgusted with a degraded world that he decides to "return home" and goes to a government clinic. Thorn finds a message "going home" left by Roth, and rushes to the clinic demanding to see Roth. The clinic assists suicide where patients get bathed in light of their favorite color, favorite music, and a full 20 minutes "guaranteed". Thorn arrives too late. Roth and Thorn are mesmerized by the euthanasia process's visual and musical montage —long-gone forests, free animals, wide open spaces, rivers and ocean life. Roth dies whispering what he has learned to Thorn, begging him to find proof, so that the Council of Nations can take action. | |||
:::I don't object to the template while the discussion is ongoing. Personally I think it is trivia, but it is trivia that may be of interest to readers which is why I support the suggestion above of moving the link to the "See also" section. However, if the consensus is that it is not trivia i.e. it is of encyclopedic value, then the template should be removed and the title should remain as it is. As it stands, does anyone object to adding the appropriate link to "See also" and deleting the whole section? If not, then I suggest someone goes ahead and does that once the article is unprotected. ] (]) 19:16, 29 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
Thorn follows the body of Roth. It's loaded with hundreds of others on garbage trucks. He hides aboard one transporting bodies from the euthanasia clinic to an industrial plant. Tracking from where the bodies are expelled from the trucks, and placed on a conveyor to be dumped in a large stirring vat of liquid Thorn follows pipes from the vat room through pumps, and processors through the huge plant to a conveyor belt carrying thousands of Soylent Green squares revealing – human cadavers are being processed into Soylent Green. Thorn is attacked, subdues his attackers, and escapes the Soylent factory but is intercepted in the city by Tad. He is wounded, and kills Tad, and several accomplices. As Thorn is tended to by paramedics, he urges Hatcher to inform the exchange of the truth he has discovered proof of, and initiate proceedings against the company. While being taken away, Thorn shouts out to the surrounding crowd, "Soylent Green is people!". | |||
::::If it is a section that primarily contains "trivia", than the "Trivia" tag is appropriate until such time as the section does not primarily contain "trivia". It's not an "argument", it's about accuratly describing the content of a section and labling is appropriatly. =//= ] 00:28, 30 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
] (]) 10:39, 18 October 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Plot reveal not accurate... == | |||
:Some aspects of its cultural impact may be trivial, but that doesn't describe the purpose of the section. Labelling it "trivia" would be a bad idea: would trivia related to plot, critical response, or home video releases go in those sections, or in the "trivia" section? ] (]) 00:04, 30 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
::The "''purpose''" of the section is not the issue. The ''content'' is what defines the section, '''and the content is "trivia"'''. Thus, it is a "trivia" section, and the "Trivia" tag is appropriate. =//= ] 00:25, 30 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::The purpose of the section is completely the issue. The purpose defines the content, and always has done on Misplaced Pages. If the content is determined to be trivia then it should be removed because the purpose of these articles is not to collate trivia. If the content is determined to be encyclopedic then by definition it is not trivia. The consensus will decide which it is, not the sole view of a single editor. ] (]) 00:31, 30 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
::::So, you're saying you can call a section what ever you want, and as long as the title is not "Trivia", it doesn't matter, you can pack it with all the "trivia" you want? I disagree. It doesn't matter what you call a section, if it's packed with "trivia", it's a "trivia" section and the "Trivia" tag is correct. If it's *not* a "trivia" section, than perhaps the "trivia" should be removed? But of course in this case, that would leave an '''empty''' section. =//= ] 01:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
:::::It is pretty clear that isn't what I have said. I don't know if you are misinterpreting my comments on purpose or not, but it is irrelevant anyway because there isn't a consensus to rename the section. ] (]) 01:19, 30 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
::::::Well, I think we are now mostly talking about the Trivia tag, not the name of the section... But, I really don't understand why people are fighting '''honesty''' here. Trivia might be "discuraged", but it's not outright outlawed. If you want to include "trivia", do so and simply lable it accuratly and honestly. No issues! At the very least, "trivia" content should carry the "Trivia" service tag. =//= ] 01:20, 30 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
===Straw poll on how to proceed=== | |||
Feel free to add additional options. | |||
"he reports also reveal that "Soylent Green" is being produced from the remains of the dead and the imprisoned, obtained from heavily guarded waste disposal plants outside the city. The Books further reveal that Simonson's murder was ordered by his fellow Soylent Corporation board members, knowing he was increasingly troubled by the truth, and the fear that he might talk." | |||
# Do ''not'' label the section "Trivia" and do not tag it as such. | |||
# Do ''not'' label the section "Trivia" but do tag it as such. | |||
# Label the section "Trivia" and tag it as such. | |||
# Label the section "Trivia" but do not tag it. | |||
# Delete the section. Move the pertinent information to a "See also" section. | |||
I'm going to have to watch the movie again. I don't remember the Central Library Books saying any of this to Sol directly. Wouldn't this ruin the scene where Thorn sees the bodies dumped into the vat and as he moves further down the processing line he sees the Soylent Green wafers emerge? Why would he try to go back to the Central Books if he has the knowledge, why not go to the Council of Nations building, for example? | |||
====Discussion==== | |||
*Support options 1 or 5. "Cultural impact", "In popular culture", etc. sections are common in Misplaced Pages articles and it is my impression that we do not name them "Trivia" regardless of whether one or more editors deem the content trivial. It is my experience that articles are prone to accumulating inappropriate examples of such (i.e. examples with no third-party sourcing establishing their significance), however, and I am concerned that a "Trivia" section will only encourage this tendency. I would consider deleting the section entirely and moving the information to "See also" to be a reasonable alternative. ] (]) 07:05, 30 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
I'm going to have to watch it again and see if I missed this whole reveal...] (]) 19:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC) | |||
{{talkquote|text='''trivia, n''' a. Trivialities, trifles, things of little consequence. b. Useless information or (knowledge of) matters of little importance.|source=Oxford Dictionary}} If that were how it was used here, we'd obviously just delete it. Usually a "Trivia" section of an article is "Interesting (to some) stuff that doesn't fit anywhere else." If there is a more descriptive and specific title, that should be used. If everything that some thought was "trivial" had to be listed under that heading, may articles would be reduced to a lead and a "Trivia" section. That heading should be a last resort, not the first. My opinion, if anyone cares: "trivia" should be repurposed, or if not possible, deleted. But I think the real-world impact of a movie (not just jokes made in other media) is not trivia. ] (]) 07:51, 30 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
== flawed analysis == | |||
*Support option 5 for now, but if additional content is added I may prefer option 1 - I agree with ] on whether content should be labelled as trivia. I don't oppose the existence of a "cultural impact" section, but the isn't worth keeping in this article. Evidence of independent coverage is needed, as well as verifiability, otherwise it's just ] and potentially indistinguishable from spam. ] is notable, but the source says that it is "called Soylent, after Soylent Green from the book Make Room! Make Room!", so it would be more appropriate in a "cultural impact" section of the article about the book. It should probably be moved there, and a "see also" link to ] added in this article. The remainder, "''Soylent Green'' is referred to in a number of television series and other media, either for dramatic or comedic effect", isn't useful without examples or sources. ] (]) 19:21, 30 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
the article says the oceanographic report stated that bodies were recycled.... | |||
*Option 5 under current circumstances, although I don't oppose a "cultural impact" section in principle. If something else is documented the section can be recreated. ] (]) 20:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
this is NOT correct, it was the investigation that surmised this fact...... | |||
the oceans were DEAD where did the food come from? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 13:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
*Support option 5 or 3 (option 5 would be best). It really doesn't matter if we call it "Cultural impact" or "In popular culture", the content is trivia by any reasonable definition. Lable it as such or get rid of it. =//= ] 21:46, 30 September 2013 (UTC) | |||
===Resolution=== | |||
My assessment of the above is that the consensus is to delete the section, for the time-being at least (with the option to re-create the section if/when there's more appropriate content for it), and move the existing content to "See also" as appropriate. The article is currently locked for another 24 hours, I believe, but any editor who wishes to is welcome to implement this consensus once the lock has expired. If anyone disagrees with what I've said, feel free to speak up with your interpretation of the discussion. Thank you to everyone who participated! ] (]) 14:18, 1 October 2013 (UTC) |
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Plot
At the end I said: Thorn is then taken away shouting "Soylent Green is people!" It´spart of the movie and it is still under 700 words.
P.S:: Edit warring? I only put my idea in the plot, which only differs from Griffith´s. It was the first time I introduced it. Why is that edit warring?Arderich (talk) 19:23, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
- Looking at the edit history, what I see is you making edits, Mlpearc (talk · contribs) or Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk · contribs) reverting your edits, and then you reinserting your edits. Per WP:BRD it would have been best if you had come here after the first time your edits were undone, especially given your track record. Are they also edit-warring? Possibly. The lack of clear edit summaries is certainly unhelpful. But now we're here and I'll wait to hear from them before forming any further opinions on the matter. DonIago (talk) 19:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
Gareth Griffith-Jones "restored" his "clean" version after I had reduced it from 761 words to 678 words. Who is the edit warrior here? Arderich (talk) 20:08, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
- As I told you at my Talk page, WP:FILMPLOT has nothing to do with edit-warring, and a shorter summary isn't necessarily better (for instance, you could be introducing grammatical errors or other issues). I don't know that Gareth realized they were pushing the article beyond the recommended word count, either. All good reasons why you could have initiated this discussion before I essentially forced the issue. Now let's wait to hear from them. DonIago (talk) 20:28, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
- I welcome your timely intervention,DonIago,
I really feel that I have been wasting my time in attempting to copy-edit this article. The culprit has a history of disruption and needs mentoring. — Gareth Griffith-Jones | The Welsh | Buzzard | 09:30, 31 March 2017 (UTC)- Thanks for speaking up here Gareth. For those just coming into this dispute, like myself, could you provide a bit more information as to which of Arderich's specific changes here you considered disruptive? They make a good point that the plot summary should typically be under 700 words. I'm asking because Arderich clearly doesn't feel their edits were disruptive, so it seems prudent to take a closer look at the actual changes; perhaps retain at least some of them if nobody involved in this discussion finds an issue with them. Thanks again! DonIago (talk) 13:11, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
- I welcome your timely intervention,DonIago,
In light of the continuing edits to this article, which may or may not constitute any level of edit-warring (I didn't look), I'm bowing out and un-watching this article. DonIago (talk) 20:28, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
I've re written the plot section. The improvements are to make the plot less like an explanatory summary to be more a plot synopsis. The explanatory parts are more smoothly incorporated in the synopsis using elements in the movie to reveal them.
An opening montage of American cultural images from early 1900 to 2022 illustrating the effects of overpopulation, pollution, and urban decay have caused worldwide diseases, and severe shortages of food, water, and housing. Ending the montage a text box says "New York City population 40 million people. In the film only the city's elite can afford spacious apartments high security, clean water, and natural food. The homes of the elite usually include concubines who are referred to as "furniture", and are implied to be sex slaves. The poor live in squalor, haul water from communal spigots, and eat highly processed wafers, "Soylent Red", "Soylent Yellow", and the latest product the far more flavorful and nutritious, squares of "Soylent Green". Advertised as being made from ocean plankton Soylent Green is in short supply.
NYPD detective Frank Thorn (Charlton Heston), and his aged friend Sol Roth (Edward G. Robinson), a police research assistant referred to as a "Book", live together in a small apartment cluttered with failing appliances, and bicycle generator. Roth remembers the world when it had animals and real food, He blames a "greenhouse effect" causing catastrophic overheating which Thorn has heard from him many times.
A thug is given a hand made wrecking tool which he admires, and uses to break into a high security building at night to murder its wealthy tenant (Josef Cotton). He tells his victim "they" were sorry but he had become unreliable. The victim agrees. The thug asks if this (gesturing with the wrecking bar) is right. The victim says "not right but necessary", and submits to his own murder.
Thorn, investigating the murder, interviews the building manager, furniture girl Shirl (Liegh Taylor Young), and body guard Tad (Chuck Connors). He is told the victim is wealthy, believed to be retired, William R. Simonson. He also takes food, liquor, linens, and sundries. After negotiating with body collectors/garbage men over a "death benefit" of several hundred low value dollars he hitches a ride home on their garbage truck.
Thorn, and Sol examine Simonson's "evidence". Sol is thrilled with the fresh produce, sundries, and liquor but is shocked to tears at the sight of beef.
After Sol enjoys the meal as a starving man, and Thorn as a man who has never had fresh produce or beef would, Sol informs Thorn from a pair of highly technical oceanographic surveys Thorn procured from his investigation that the books were produced by Soylent Industries (its name from a combination of "soybean" and "lentil"), and that Simonson was a board member of Soylent. Sol reminds Thorn Soylent controls the food supply of half of the world.
Debriefing his commander, Hatcher, about the disposal of several case files Thorn is chided about not closing them all, and Hatcher blames the age of Sol Roth. On Simonson Thorne says assassination. Asked why not a punk he says because the punk didn't take anything, the punk wasn't a punk. He used a meat-hook instead of a gun to make it look like a punk. Hatcher reaffirms the punk didn't take anything, and asks what Thorn took. Thorn tells him everything he could get his hands on. Hatcher then negotiates "cuts", and disbursement of the death benefit for himself, Thorn, and on behalf of the body collector/garbage men.
Investigating Tad's modest apartment after waiting for Tad to leave Thorn discovers Tad does well for himself with good food, and even his own $black$ furniture girl. Stealing a spoon of, what Sol informs him are strawberries at 250 Ds a jar, Thorn is suspicious of how well Tad does for himself. A later visit to Simonson's "furniture" girl Shirl Thorn rebuffs the building manager who is a brutal pimp violently abusing other women for visiting "against the rules". Thorn begins a relationship with Shirl for sex, air conditioning, and hot water. His investigation leads to a priest in an overcrowded church being used as a homeless shelter that Simonson had visited and confessed to shortly before his death. The priest is exhausted, and poorly able to understand Thorn's questions. He can only hint at a truth that is destroying him before he is murdered by Tad on order of the governor. Thorn detects he is being tailed. He shakes the tail, and returns to Tad's apartment beating Tad, and his furniture for the tailing telling Tad to stay off his back. He returns to the police station, and is appalled that despite being tailed Hatcher urges him to close the case by falsifying his report. Thorn accuses Hatcher of being bought. Hatcher says "we're all bought when they pay you". Thorn demands to know who bought him. Hatcher says "high and hot", and they want this case closed, and promises "Cover". Thorn refuses in case "higher and hotter" wants more. As he leaves the office an officer in the squad room tells him he's assigned riot control.
Due to a supply bottleneck the supply of Soylent Green has been exhausted during a regularly publicized Tuesday "Soylent Green Day" when Soylent green is dispersed. Hungry masses riot. They are brutally removed from the streets by "scoops", police vehicles so horrible rioters are warned of their coming. The vehicles are modified front lift garbage trucks, that scoop the rioters with large front end loader scoops, and dump them in the vehicle's container. Thorn is attacked, and wounded during a riot, by the same assassin who killed Simonson, but the killer is crushed by a police scoop.
Roth brings the Soylent oceanographic reports to experts at the Supreme Exchange. The experts reveal that the oceans no longer produce plankton, and deduce from "evidence that is overwhelming" Soylent is involved in some "horrible", "expedient". They also deduce that Simonson's murder was ordered by his fellow Soylent board members knowing "these facts shook his sanity". They tell Roth they need proof that they can bring to the Council of Nations.
Roth is so disgusted with a degraded world that he decides to "return home" and goes to a government clinic. Thorn finds a message "going home" left by Roth, and rushes to the clinic demanding to see Roth. The clinic assists suicide where patients get bathed in light of their favorite color, favorite music, and a full 20 minutes "guaranteed". Thorn arrives too late. Roth and Thorn are mesmerized by the euthanasia process's visual and musical montage —long-gone forests, free animals, wide open spaces, rivers and ocean life. Roth dies whispering what he has learned to Thorn, begging him to find proof, so that the Council of Nations can take action.
Thorn follows the body of Roth. It's loaded with hundreds of others on garbage trucks. He hides aboard one transporting bodies from the euthanasia clinic to an industrial plant. Tracking from where the bodies are expelled from the trucks, and placed on a conveyor to be dumped in a large stirring vat of liquid Thorn follows pipes from the vat room through pumps, and processors through the huge plant to a conveyor belt carrying thousands of Soylent Green squares revealing – human cadavers are being processed into Soylent Green. Thorn is attacked, subdues his attackers, and escapes the Soylent factory but is intercepted in the city by Tad. He is wounded, and kills Tad, and several accomplices. As Thorn is tended to by paramedics, he urges Hatcher to inform the exchange of the truth he has discovered proof of, and initiate proceedings against the company. While being taken away, Thorn shouts out to the surrounding crowd, "Soylent Green is people!". 98.164.71.229 (talk) 10:39, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Plot reveal not accurate...
"he reports also reveal that "Soylent Green" is being produced from the remains of the dead and the imprisoned, obtained from heavily guarded waste disposal plants outside the city. The Books further reveal that Simonson's murder was ordered by his fellow Soylent Corporation board members, knowing he was increasingly troubled by the truth, and the fear that he might talk."
I'm going to have to watch the movie again. I don't remember the Central Library Books saying any of this to Sol directly. Wouldn't this ruin the scene where Thorn sees the bodies dumped into the vat and as he moves further down the processing line he sees the Soylent Green wafers emerge? Why would he try to go back to the Central Books if he has the knowledge, why not go to the Council of Nations building, for example?
I'm going to have to watch it again and see if I missed this whole reveal...Aspenguy2 (talk) 19:36, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
flawed analysis
the article says the oceanographic report stated that bodies were recycled.... this is NOT correct, it was the investigation that surmised this fact......
the oceans were DEAD where did the food come from? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.92.236.2 (talk) 13:44, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
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