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# Role of Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel and Police Action # Role of Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel and Police Action
] 05:25, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC) ] 05:25, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Transition from princely state to province of India==
The information here focuses on trivialities and emphasizes some things (communist & muslim militias) that have very little to do with the actual transition. I strongly suggest seeking out and referencing non-Indian sources of information on this transition to avoid local bias (as feelings still run high on this topic). <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== POV tag ==

I have added the {{tl|pov}} tag to this page because of statements like this:
:"''His weakness for women and the consequent vices have impoverished him and he now lives by selling the bequeathed property in Hyderabad in periodic instalments. Much of his wealth has been lost in giving alimonies and maintenance to his divorced ex-wives. The case of former Miss Turkey Ms. Manolya Onur, the third officially divorced wife of the present 'Nizam', was the toast of Indian tabloids in 2006. She succesfully defended her rights in an Indian Court and won a judgement against the 'Nizam'.''"

I don't know much about this, but such a statement needs to be first referenced, and section written in a Nuetral point of view. Regards, -- ] 01:15, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


Have specifically added the POV tag to the After the British Rag section, for statements such as: "''the brits very cunningly left the choice of unification with the local rulers.''" "''The Razakars, a motley group of Islamic bigots''" and "'' The Indian government, in a deft act of political maturity and statesmanship, appointed the humbled and mellowed Nizam as the Rajpramukh(Governor) of Hyderabad, a title which he retained till 1956.''"

The RAZZAKARS had humiliated HINDUS. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== References added == == References added ==
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With reference to Jeff's "references needed", I would like to point out that I have added relevant references. With reference to Jeff's "references needed", I would like to point out that I have added relevant references.


== Forced annexation ==
==Rubbish==
Seems like cherry picking sentences from Sherman Taylors reference is acceptable however as soon something is added which is already in the source which does not go with the justifications of the annexation its regarded as unsourced "On 13 September 1948, therefore, the Government of India declared a state of
I am removing the rubbish saying that Telugu has prospered and Urdu is no longer spoken in Hyderabad today. Does someone actually believe that Urdu is no longer spoken in Hyderabad? <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
emergency, and sent its troops into Hyderabad State. During the ‘police action’, the

Indian Army entered Hyderabad with the objective of forcing the Nizam to re-install

Indian troops in Secunderabad to allow them to restore order in the state. The Nizam
Where is Tamil spoken anywhere in the erstwhile areas of Hyderabad State ? Only Telugu, Marathi, Urdu ( Dakhini Dialect ) and Kannada are spoken. <small>—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 09:28, 24 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
surrendered in four days, and the Government of India appointed Major-General J.N.

Chaudhuri as Military Governor. Delhi decided that the Nizam could retain his
You fellows Hyderabadi Muslims speak Urdu and Others(Hindus,Christians,etc) speak telugu. Some malayalis are too there(in the city and secunderabad)--] (]) 04:24, 2 April 2012 (UTC)
position as Rajpramukh, though law-making and enforcement power rested with the

Military Governor" This is on page 9 and ignoring the fact that it was a forced annexation (clearly it was forced as the main article ] itself describes it as a military intervention) I will be restoring the sentence as censoring this information is not what Misplaced Pages is for. ] (]) 21:11, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
== Culture of Hyderabad State ==
: Forcing to re-install troops doesn't amount to "annexation". The term "annexation" is not even used in this source. -- ] (]) 21:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

:: Are you now denying that it wasn't an annexation ? Please just read the main article on the annexation and yes sending in troops to invade Hyderabad state to force the nizam is a method to achieve annexation the main article itself is called "Indian annexation of Hyderabad" why are you even arguing this point you know better. I am sure more neutral editors could also contribute as I feel some are still attached to some nationalistic narrative surrounding this annexation which for long they tried to term as "integration" you dont end up with hundreds and thousands of dead for no reason a military invasion which is always forced results in these fatalities. ] (]) 21:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
A section '''Culture''' should be added which explains the peoples culture under Hyderabad State.
::: Looking back at your previous comments in regards to the annexation you were still arguing that it was not an annexation which raises a few questions on your judgement. However even Sherman Taylor (which uses mostly Indian sources and Indian government claims and is slanted heavily towards Indias narrative) also calls it an invasion and seizure of territory by the Indian military I can post the quote if you want. ] (]) 21:56, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
If the article is strong enough a separate article "Culture of Hyderabad State" or "Culture of Old Hyderabad" also can be made.
:::: Here as some neutral sources which refer to Indias invasion as a annexation (Please not I am not great with adding books as a source so I will just copy and paste the web link and page and note none of these are government associated and are neutral. ] (]) 22:35, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Currently, the whole Article explains Hyderabad State only in the view of politics and Geography.
Culture should include subtopics of
* Language
* Customs
* Traditions
* Religion
* Art and Architecture

I would appreciate people collecting matter from Genuine websites on traditions, customs of the people of Hyderabad State those days.
The Article "Hyderabadi Muslims" signifies the culture from Hyderabad State and New Hyderabad too,
But this article on culture should be based on both Hyderabadi Hindus and Muslims only from the era of "Hyderabad State".
The article should be neutral based on common mans culture and free from political culture and political history.

Please discuss with me on this topic <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 09:29, 11 August 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Aug 30, 2013 - Remove Hyderabad section ==

This page is related to Hyderabad State as it existed prior to disintegration and merger into Maharashtra, Karnataka, and Andhra Pradesh. We should just have a reference to ] for present day city. Let me know for any objections before removing that section. ] (]) 21:01, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

:Good call. ] (]) 11:50, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


== ] ==
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"brutally put down", "committed horrendous atrocities", "Countless Hindu", "preceding MIM/Razakar atrocities" is the exact opposite of neutral language. --] <sup>'']''</sup> 01:25, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


* Here is the of the lead, based on the sources cited. A disruptive sock called {{U|Magichero1234}} apparently to his own views, claiming that the source was "difficult" to access. How he knew that Razakars were not "cited" in the source without even accessing it, I have no idea. -- ] (]) 13:29, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
::It is neutral language given the accounts of the period. You are welcome to research, to verify, and even to reword, but not section blank--that's vandalism. You didn't do that, you outright reverted (removing referenced content) without touching on the substance. A good faith edit would change language not considered NPOV, while keeping core--referenced/verified--substance. Blanket removing content is indicative of a desire to skew the article. Furthermore, there is nothing even remotely non-NPOV about "preceding MIM/Razakar atrocities" when this is well known and was referenced in my edit. Please do not attempt to blank out sections of the article to tailor a desired image of the event. Misplaced Pages must be NPOV. Thank you.


== Line that makes no sense ==
] (]) 01:40, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
:::These terms are not appropriate to use with Misplaced Pages's voice. --] <sup>'']''</sup> 01:51, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


{{talkquote|Hyderabad's location in the middle of the Indian union, as well as its diverse cultural heritage, was a driving force behind India's annexation of the state in 1948.}}
::::You are being evasive.
This barely makes sense. Nothing about the Razakars, the Nizam's atrocities, the Communist-led rebellion etc. I will rewrite the lead in a couple of weeks. ] (]) 18:42, 12 February 2023 (UTC)


:This and the repeated insertion of "country" (see ]) despite consensus to the contrary is the handiwork of socks from the ] network. Be wary of these and similar additions to the article. ] (]) 11:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
::::Which terms? "preceding MIM/Razakar atrocities" are npov--they did commit atrocities (i.e. murder, rape, arson, etc). I have provided sources that confirmed this. Also, you still fail to explain why my new paragraph could not have been reworded without being deleted in toto. This was sourced information. Please do not engage in edit warring simply to skew the article to your preferred version. Detailed explanations are required to arrive at a consensus version so that reader can properly understand all associated historical events with this article. You cannot understand the allegations of executions of razakars and other communal violence without having a paragraph on the razakar atrocities that initiated the communal violence to being with. Rather than one line drive by sentences, please provide detailed explanations in the future so that a consensus can be reached. ] (]) 02:11, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::I have listed the exact terms in my first post. I have no interest in this topic beyond making sure edits comply with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines which, in my opinion, yours fails to do. Reword the terms I mentioned or attribute them properly and I'll be satisfied (and ignore your blatant misunderstanding of ]). --] <sup>'']''</sup> 02:25, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

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  1. Razakar movement and the violence that followed
  2. People's movement within Hyderabad state for unification with India
  3. Role of Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel and Police Action

Ramashray 05:25, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

References added

With reference to Jeff's "references needed", I would like to point out that I have added relevant references.

Forced annexation

Seems like cherry picking sentences from Sherman Taylors reference is acceptable however as soon something is added which is already in the source which does not go with the justifications of the annexation its regarded as unsourced "On 13 September 1948, therefore, the Government of India declared a state of emergency, and sent its troops into Hyderabad State. During the ‘police action’, the Indian Army entered Hyderabad with the objective of forcing the Nizam to re-install Indian troops in Secunderabad to allow them to restore order in the state. The Nizam surrendered in four days, and the Government of India appointed Major-General J.N. Chaudhuri as Military Governor. Delhi decided that the Nizam could retain his position as Rajpramukh, though law-making and enforcement power rested with the Military Governor" This is on page 9 and ignoring the fact that it was a forced annexation (clearly it was forced as the main article Indian annexation of Hyderabad itself describes it as a military intervention) I will be restoring the sentence as censoring this information is not what Misplaced Pages is for. DavosBarton (talk) 21:11, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Forcing to re-install troops doesn't amount to "annexation". The term "annexation" is not even used in this source. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 21:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Are you now denying that it wasn't an annexation ? Please just read the main article on the annexation and yes sending in troops to invade Hyderabad state to force the nizam is a method to achieve annexation the main article itself is called "Indian annexation of Hyderabad" why are you even arguing this point you know better. I am sure more neutral editors could also contribute as I feel some are still attached to some nationalistic narrative surrounding this annexation which for long they tried to term as "integration" you dont end up with hundreds and thousands of dead for no reason a military invasion which is always forced results in these fatalities. DavosBarton (talk) 21:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Looking back at your previous comments in regards to the annexation you were still arguing that it was not an annexation which raises a few questions on your judgement. However even Sherman Taylor (which uses mostly Indian sources and Indian government claims and is slanted heavily towards Indias narrative) also calls it an invasion and seizure of territory by the Indian military I can post the quote if you want. DavosBarton (talk) 21:56, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
Here as some neutral sources which refer to Indias invasion as a annexation (Please not I am not great with adding books as a source so I will just copy and paste the web link and page and note none of these are government associated and are neutral. DavosBarton (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Line that makes no sense

Hyderabad's location in the middle of the Indian union, as well as its diverse cultural heritage, was a driving force behind India's annexation of the state in 1948.

This barely makes sense. Nothing about the Razakars, the Nizam's atrocities, the Communist-led rebellion etc. I will rewrite the lead in a couple of weeks. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:42, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

This and the repeated insertion of "country" (see #Country) despite consensus to the contrary is the handiwork of socks from the Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Magichero1234 network. Be wary of these and similar additions to the article. Gotitbro (talk) 11:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
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