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==Please Help==
I am the owner of a company/product page you deleted. I apologize for not being wiki-savvy. I did not create the page, our users did, but would like to help have it restored and improved. We have a dedicated userbase and have been working for them for 7 years to grow and improve our product, so I am not understanding why it is deleted rather than allowed to be improved if the citings were old. The page was Onverse. I would really appreciate an email regarding this, but will check back here as well. Please help me out as this is a huge deal for us as an indie studio trying to make a living. Steve Pierce - CEO - Onverse - steve@onverse.com. Thank you very much!


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=== Paralympic project ===
:{{tps}} The citings weren't just old, they are mostly primary. There were not enough independent, reliable resources covering the subject to establish notability. Also, restoring the article because "it's a huge deal for our company" suggests a ] and the intent to ], neither of which are appropriate here. On a personal note, a Misplaced Pages article isn't going to generate significant awareness of your company or products, so you shouldn't rely on that. --] (]) 04:34, 17 September 2013 (UTC)


Since you are bilingual, I was wondering if you would be interested in translating a couple of small articles in French for me? ] (]) 20:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
This is not an advertising ploy. The removal of the article was brought to my attention by members of our community because it is a place they would send new users to to learn more about the origins of the game and company. It's unique and important for people who want to learn more because it was a unique feat at the time and continues to be because of the fact that we built/build it with only a few people and our own resources, which gives them a perspective on why the game is the way it is. All I am asking is to improve the article to change what you are saying is wrong with it, rather than delete it. It fits as much as any other company or product into Misplaced Pages, you're just saying the citings need to be updated. It's been years since the original citings probably and there are plenty of more recent, non-primary citings available.
*Sure! I won't commit to any ETA because my I'm a gold medalist in lazy procrastination but toss me what you need and I'll get it done eventually! :D <span style="font-size:10pt;color:white;background:black;padding:0 3px;"><big>☺</big>&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]</span> 22:03, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
] (]) 23:36, 17 September 2013 (UTC)
*:No deadline! Thank you! Take your time. The articles are small: ] and ]. I sometimes forget that not all Canadians can speak English very well. But these two can. In fact, Maude was translating for me in Beijing. I tried auto-translating one once, but they delete unless the French is perfect, and mine's terrible. ] (]) 08:17, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
*Please provide links to this recent, non-primary references; I also recommend drafting the article through our ] to make be able to work on it and have it moved to an actual article once ready. Note that if you want to send users to page with information about your product, it is highly preferable to have a page on your website with information about your product, as you would then have full liberty over its content, and users would not even have to leave your website. <span style="13px Sylfaen;color:white;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">''':)'''&nbsp;·]·&nbsp;]</span> 15:04, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
*::I'll be honoured to work on the articles! The most complicated thing will be to figure out the frwiki versions of the various templates used. ;) <span style="font-size:10pt;color:white;background:black;padding:0 3px;"><big>☺</big>&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]</span> 14:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
*:::{{u|Hawkeye7}} - Haven't had time to delve into this but I'm keeping this thread unarchived as a reminder. :) <span style="font-size:10pt;color:white;background:black;padding:0 3px;"><big>☺</big>&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]</span> 17:52, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


=== Game hint lines ===
Thanks so much for being prompt in your responses. I really appreciate it. Is the original article available so I can see for myself the original citing and content? Are you saying it would be best to submit it as an entirely new article? It would be easiest to be able to take it as a starting point to re-submit or just validate the new citing? Sorry, this is my first time using/editing Misplaced Pages. It's a pretty in-depth learning crub for an inexperienced editor.] (]) 20:06, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


I came across an article in ''GamePro'' about live game counselors and 900 hint lines which has one or two useful pieces of info. The trouble is, I can't seem to find an article on Misplaced Pages where such information might appropriately go. Any suggestions?--] (]) 20:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
:{{tps}} I've been watching this discussion with great interest, as I'm new to Misplaced Pages as well. I was drawn to this talk page through my own ] with '''Salvidrim!''' and I've started an in-depth discussion about the "Onverse" issue in the ] as a way of learning about Misplaced Pages culture and community in general. In response to the suggestion that information about this game be kept on the game's own website, should the same suggestion be made for all the other games listed in the ] that was linked to the "Onverse" page? <span title="Meta-Wiki profile" class="plainlinks"></span> <span title="Meta-Wiki talk" class="plainlinks"></span>] 22:33, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
:There's probably enough coverage to convert ] into a broader concept of ], of which the most famous was the Nintendo Power Line: , , the line was revived for the NES Mini launch (, , ), (unusable as a source but can be used as a base for research), featured in The Wizard, that time when one number was bought by an sex company (, , ), , , , (this is an archive of 1989 Sierra Magazine), Sega, Konami also had their own Hint Lines. <span style="font-size:12pt;color:white;background:black;padding:0 3px;"><big>☺</big>&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]</span> 20:55, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
::{{tps}} The issue is more Onverse's notability: You seem to be familiar with policy, so I'm assuming you're familiar with ] and ]; the issue is not one of deletionism or even of us not wanting Onverse to have a page; the issue is that there are no independent, verifiable sources on the subject.
::{{u|Martin IIIa}} do you have a link to the GamePro article? <span style="font-size:12pt;color:white;background:black;padding:0 3px;"><big>☺</big>&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]</span> 13:17, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
::The list you linked is a swamp and probably something that ] will want to take a peek at to address. There is a similar problem in ] with our ]. --''']'''! ] 23:28, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
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:::I understand that this was originally about "notability". My question related specifically to '''Salvidrim's''' suggestion that information about Onverse should be kept off Misplaced Pages entirely, and maintained on the game's own website instead. Why would that be suggested for one game but not for all the others on that ]? Wouldn't it be better, rather than going around deleting perfectly good information, to actually help improve the article? <span title="Meta-Wiki profile" class="plainlinks"></span> <span title="Meta-Wiki talk" class="plainlinks"></span>] 23:57, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
:::Agh, sorry it took me so unbelievably long to notice this post! To add insult to injury, no, I don't have a link, just a physical copy of the issue. It's issue 92, cover-dated May 1996, and the articles is on pages 14-15, if that helps at all.--] (]) 15:48, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
::::If there are no sources, there would be no way to improve the article. That, I presume, is why the article was deleted. If you feel that there are other games on that list that should be deleted, you can nominate them yourself. --''']'''! ] 00:27, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
::::Ans you wouldn't happen to have a scan? ;D <span style="font-size:12pt;background:black;padding:1px 4px;">]&nbsp;]</span> 04:39, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::Out of interest, I did a quick Google search myself, and came across which seems to have been picked up by other sources as well, such as . I've had a look at ] and it would seem to me that Reuters would be a reliable source, even if might not be. Admittedly, the source from Reuters is dated 24-Jul-13, which is after the ] was closed, on 1-Jul-13. I'm sure that with a bit more digging, I could find many more sources. I'm not advocating for a repeal of the AfD, I'm just trying to understand this whole process, as a new Wikipedian. It seems to me in this case that it was just easier for other editors to delete a page on Misplaced Pages than try to improve it. <span title="Meta-Wiki profile" class="plainlinks"></span> <span title="Meta-Wiki talk" class="plainlinks"></span>] 00:45, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
::::: —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;]&nbsp;&nbsp;▎]</small> 20:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
::::::I don't believe that counts as an independent source as it's a "]" --''']'''! ] 01:07, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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{{od|::::::}}Hmm, as a new Wikipedian, it seems to me that a failure to acknowledge Reuters as an independent, verifiable source is deeply troubling. Surely setting such a high standard of ] is turning prospective new editors away from Misplaced Pages? <span title="Meta-Wiki profile" class="plainlinks"></span> <span title="Meta-Wiki talk" class="plainlinks"></span>] 01:18, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
Still something I'm interested in working on. <span style="font-size:12pt;background:black;padding:1px 4px">]&nbsp;]</span> 01:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
:I didn't speak to the reliability of Reuters, the issue is that a short blurb like that would not establish any kind of notability. It would be the same if the blurb was on CNN or the BBC. --''']'''! ] 02:15, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
*Wonder if I am ever gonna write this... here's one more ref https://www.gameinformer.com/2022/02/22/inside-the-nintendo-power-hotline
::{{ping|StevePierceII}}: I have just e-mailed a the most recent version of the Onverse article.
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::{{ping|AugurNZ}}: Don't put words in mouth. I never "suggested that information about Onverse should be kept off Misplaced Pages entirely". In fact, I even proposed that it should be drafted through our ] and also proposed an off-wiki alternative that might be preferable in order to have complete editorial control over the content. I'm not particularly for or against the idea of having an article about Onverse and I haven't researched the topic nearly enough to express an opinion either way. <span style="13px Sylfaen;color:white;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">''':)'''&nbsp;·]·&nbsp;]</span> 02:11, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
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:::{{ping|Tikuko}}Wouldn't the fact that Reuters (who ]) publish the claim that ''"Onverse has approximately 600,000 subscribers"'' make it notable? I'd have thought that 600,000 subscribers is a fairly notable amount!
:::{{ping|Salvidrim}} Apologies for misinterpreting your comment that ''"it is '''highly preferable''' to have a page on your website"'' (emphasis mine). To me, that certainly sounds as though you are suggesting that Misplaced Pages is not the place for an article about this game, which seems somewhat contrary when there are plenty of other games already ]. <span title="Meta-Wiki profile" class="plainlinks"></span> <span title="Meta-Wiki talk" class="plainlinks"></span>] 03:07, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
::::It still isn't notable coverage. There are other organizations of similar membership that don't, to my knowledge, have wikipedia pages, because people haven't written enough about them; for example there is almost nothing written about the ], so I cannot expand the article, despite the fact that I could easily triple its size; and I believe ABRA doesn't presently have a page either. --''']'''! ] 04:47, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
:::::By that logic, there shouldn't be any pages at all on Misplaced Pages that pertain to New Zealand, as our total population is so small compared to America's population. Any product having 600,000 subscribers down here would definitely be notable by New Zealand's standards. If your argument is accurate, '''TKK''', then notability seems to be VERY subjective, and a very weak method of determining whether or not an article should have a place on Misplaced Pages. Also, I didn't understand your comment about the ], sorry, as it seems to have plenty of references listed already, and has a page on Misplaced Pages, and is not under threat of deletion. How does that compare to ]? <span title="Meta-Wiki profile" class="plainlinks"></span> <span title="Meta-Wiki talk" class="plainlinks"></span>] 05:06, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


This is what I have put together so far as far as sources. I can verify that none of these were created by us (except the one press release specified as by us below). I'd be happy to narrow them down to only the most important that gives the article the sources needed to make it a legitimate contribution to WP. There has got to be enough information here to at least put it on par with other similar products. As mentioned at ] finding good references for video games is a difficult process. Virtual worlds are even harder because it is a niche industry that doesn't have things like print media, or long-established sites dedicated to the subject and "verified as reliable by WP editors and admins.


So what is my next step? I really appreciate the discussion and help so far.




Macworld Article "considered to meet reliability requirements" at ]
http://www.macworld.com/article/1145974/onverse.html


MMORPG.com "not been discussed at sufficient length to achieve consensus" at ]
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/466/Onverse.html
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/466/feature/3583


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Review and Game page - Softpedia "not been discussed at sufficient length to achieve consensus" at ]
http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/mac/Onverse-Review-129606.shtml
http://games.softpedia.com/get/Online-Games-Clients/Onverse.shtml


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Inside Mac Games - "considered to meet reliability requirements" at ] - Also platform specific
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A well known virtual world writer with her review on Onverse.
http://arianeb.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/a-quick-peek-at-onverse/


CNET - "considered to meet reliability requirements" at ]
http://download.cnet.com/Onverse-PC/3000-2115_4-75065912.html


== "]" listed at ] ==
PC World - "not been discussed at sufficient length to achieve consensus" at ]
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/188165/article.html
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www.squidoo(dot)com/onverse-review (I guess Squidoo is a blacklisted site for some reason. so took out the link)
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Association of Virtual Worlds:
http://network.associationofvirtualworlds.com/profiles/blogs/onverse-1


Better Business Bureau Business Page
http://www.bbb.org/central-northern-western-arizona/Business-Reviews/internet-gaming/onverse-in-tempe-az-1000014084


==Concern regarding ]==
Interview with Garage Games, makers of the engine we used.
] Hello, Salvidrim!. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that ], a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months ], so if you wish to retain the page, please ] again&#32;or ] that it be moved to your userspace.
http://www.garagegames.com/community/blogs/view/18217


If the page has already been deleted, you can ] so you can continue working on it.
Independent source writing their own take on Onverse, plus an interview I did specifically for their site.
http://onversefanz.wordpress.com/onverse-help/
http://onversefanz.wordpress.com/category/interviews/


Thank you for your submission to Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 14:03, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
Press release from another company:
http://www.safecom.net/press-41/ - not our release


Press Release from us:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/10/14/idUS194721+14-Oct-2010+MW20101014


== Hi ==
Do video blogs and or gameplay videos count as viable sources? We have lots of those out there.
I know you've been less active on Misplaced Pages lately, so I'm not sure if this will mean much to you. But I wanted you to know that I now think the Committee was overly harsh in desysopping you in 2018. If you could see yourself ever back actively and happily adminning, let me know if you'd ever want to talk about the path to becoming a sysop again. Best, ''']''' (<small>aka</small> ] '''·''' ] '''·''' ]) 21:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
] (]) 21:50, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
*Thanks {{ping|L235}}, I won't lie, I've been thinking about it recently! I've stayed a bit out of sight of patrolling the admin/community boards but I wouldn't consider myself inactive, I still edit here and there every week. Also, I don't necessarily think the desysopping was unwarranted, although I do miss the gnoming/clerking work I was able to so back then. I'm definitely open to returning to active duty if you think the community will support it! <span style="background:black;padding:1px 4px">]&nbsp;]</span> 23:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)


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Anyone that can help continue this conversation and point me in the right direction? ] (]) 20:08, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the ]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ] (]) 14:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
*As mentionned before, your best bet is to go through our ], where you can draft and improve the article with your sources and it will be reviewed. <span style="13px Sylfaen;color:white;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">''':)'''&nbsp;·]·&nbsp;]</span> 20:12, 3 October 2013 (UTC)


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Wouldn't the easiest thing be to improve the article that was already in place, review that, and un-delete it? ] (]) 16:06, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
:That's what I'm suggesting. I e-mailed you a copy of the article that was in place, you are welcome to improve on it, have it reviewed, and then become an article again once/if suitable. <span style="13px Sylfaen;color:white;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">''':)'''&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]</span> 17:13, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


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*The account is older. I've only started editing on September 19th, 2011. I've yet to really consider myself as "editing actively", though... hehe. <span style="13px Sylfaen;color:white;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">''':)'''&nbsp;·]·&nbsp;]</span> 02:12, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


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I found it rather humorous you thanked me for . Wasn't sure if you really enjoy my antics, or if you were being sarcastic, but either way, I laughed. Hope all is well. ] ] 02:39, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
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*I love randomly abusing the "thank" function. Don't search for meaning. ^_^ <span style="13px Sylfaen;color:white;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">''':)'''&nbsp;·]·&nbsp;]</span> 02:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
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Hi Salvidrim, we've got a WP:VG newsletter coming due in less than a week and we're still missing a featured editor. This comes very much at the last minute, but would you be willing to give an interview for the newsletter this quarter? The newsletter is due October 3 so we'd have to rush. I'd probably set it up by tonight and then drop you a note and you'd have Oct 1-3 to respond. I'd have Oct 2 to ask any follow-up questions, and I guess you'd have the 3rd to respond to those. It might be kind of hectic so if you don't have the time right now then that's completely understandable. If you don't have the time for this quarter, would you be interested in an interview next quarter or later? Again, sorry to spring this on you so late. -] (]) 11:22, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
:I would be honoured; I might not have time for anything "live", but if it's by e-mail or something similar I'd be able to find the time to do it. <span style="13px Sylfaen;color:white;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">''':)'''&nbsp;·]·&nbsp;]</span> 12:43, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
::Great! I'll post the questions in the draft right now. You can just edit ] to answer the questions directly. Thanks again for doing this on such short notice. -] (]) 20:24, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
:::Oh and feel free to change and edit around any of my questions if they don't apply or if I've accidentally mischaracterized anything. -] (]) 20:28, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
:Hey I got the note and your additions look great! I've given Torchiest word that you're finished with it so he's going to go over it to copy edit and then it's ready for publication. Thanks again for your help! -] (]) 17:53, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
::I should be the one thanking for the honor. <span style="13px Sylfaen;color:white;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">''':)'''&nbsp;·]·&nbsp;]</span> 17:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)


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Hi. You closed ] to fulfill {{oldid2|575954661|Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Silver Lake Village (Michigan) (2nd nomination)|this request}} at ]. May I ask why you determined ''redirect'' (no deletion) and full protection to be the consensus outcome?
* The count was 8 ''delete'' to 3 ''merge'' ( is missing Technical 13). I am interested in how you chose to weight them.
* The sources are obviously terrible. Floquenbeam pointed out that {{diff|WP:Articles for deletion/Silver Lake Village (Michigan) (2nd nomination)|574510464|574500199|they were worse than before}}, and {{diff|WP:Articles for deletion/Silver Lake Village (Michigan) (2nd nomination)|574694708|574644727|I evaluated the three ''best'' sources as barely usable}}.
** Since the sources were uniformly poor, I chose to skip writing a detailed analysis at the AfD. Of the 17 sources in the version at AfD:
*** 7 are business/corporate websites confirming that their locations exist
*** 3 are ] listings or search results; 1 more is on the similar "online commercial real estate network", Cityfeet
*** WaterWinterWonderland.com is a Michigan tourism fan site
*** Lake Effect Car Wash business listing on Patch, which a local news/blog/social media startup
*** Silver Lining Rewards Program on Fenton Be Closer.com, run by Fenton City Hall
* None of the ''merge'' supporters specified what should be merged. I challenged Candleabracadabra with the ] essay, and he did a merge, but I did not respond due to Kww's ]. The merged text was reduced but still relied on the inappropriate sources.
* {{diff|WP:Articles for deletion/Silver Lake Village (Michigan) (2nd nomination)|574575953|574574513|Thincat referred}} to ], but ] (January–February 2011) determined that WP:PRESERVE does not confer extra weight to a ''merge'' recommendation.
Thanks. ] (]) 04:16, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
:*Deletion, merging and redirecting have the same effect on end-users: the AfD'ed title is no longer an article, which is something everyone can agree was the needed result. In cases where there is consensus to delete with suggestions to merge and redirect (or userfy), and there is no copyvio or other violation concerns that would support a supression of the former article's revisions, I find it preferable to implement the consensus by redirecting (or userfying) and letting users merge what they feel should be merged, if anything. If you don't think anything should be merged, don't merge any content from the AfD'ed article. If you object to edits from others to the target page, discuss them on the target page. And as noted, I would've salted the deleted title as requested in the AfD, and only applied the same principle to the redirected title. I think this is really a non-issue with little impact; whether the revisions are supressed through deletion or hidden through redirection only changes whether a non-administrator can view the revisions in question, and perhaps make use of them. <span style="13px Sylfaen;color:white;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">''':)'''&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]</span> 04:26, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
::*Actually, merging and redirecting are forms of "keep", which are substantially different from delete. I have a hard time seeing any consensus other than "delete" in that AFD myself, especially given that the material is essentially identical to the previously deleted article.&mdash;](]) 04:35, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
:::*''*shrugs*'' I don't necessarily agree with that perspective but if that's the current consensus, I'll work that way for the time being. Closure changed and implemented. <span style="13px Sylfaen;color:white;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">''':)'''&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]</span> 04:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
::::: Thanks for {{diff|WP:Articles for deletion/Silver Lake Village (Michigan) (2nd nomination)|576092437|575954109|amending your close}}. By the way, if you decide that you prefer ] over extended discussion here, please let us know. ] (]) 04:41, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
* Oh, I am not sure that was the best way to avoid DRV! Firstly, concerning the criticism of my selective "merge", the close of ] makes no mention (even implied mention) of WP:PRESERVE. It says "the underlying strength of the argument for the position is what matters most". {{U|Kww}} said not much weight should be given to merge without a statement of what to merge and {{U|S Marshall}} thought extra weight could be derived from WP:PRESERVE. Most people ignored this aspect. I argued "as {{U|Candleabracadabra}} suggests" who said merge "the key bits to the Fenton, Michigan article. Leave out all the directoryesque details such as store listings and such." Not terribly specific, I agree. And he presumably made (improperly) a highly specific proposal but it was deleted and so was not available for review. {{U|Flatscan}} was broad-minded enough to suggest what might be merged "The Flint Journal piece on Fenton from the old article is the best source. The Silver Lake Park page on the City of Fenton website might support a sentence about the park." And, while we are addressing weak arguments, how about Flatscan's "According to WP:Places of local interest (essay), the relevant guideline is WP:Notability (organizations and companies). The sourcing is completely insufficient to support this article." Everyone agreed an article wasn't justified. However, the argument about lack of notability does nothing at all to argue against redirect or merge. In an article on a non-notable topic, there may be material entirely suitable for merge. {{U|Kww}}'s delete argument was strong (but support from policy is dubious) but the close did not seem to address the G4 argument in any way at all.


If the result of the previous AfD was "delete", surely this article should not exist and its re-creation should be eligible for PROD? – ]] 11:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:I think you were wrong to give way to this special pleading without giving others a chance to have their say. I suggest you revert the close completely and leave it to someone else to do. Alternatively relist or DRV. ] (]) 15:33, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
*Hi {{re|PeeJay}}, unfortunately, as per policy, an article subject is **ineligible for PROD if it has even been PRODed or AfD'ed in the past**. ]. Note that if the new article is substantially identical, ] may apply, which an administrator can evaluate by viewing deleted revisions (but considering the decade in-between I doubt that it meets the "substantially similar" threshold of the usual post-AfD recreations). <span style="background:black;padding:1px 4px">]&nbsp;]</span> 12:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:::* Regarding the RfC, the numbered choices in the prompt were selected to span the spectrum of expected responses. S Marshall wrote at ], {{diff|User talk:Flatscan/RfC draft: Merge, redirect at AfD|407828928|407792750|"I would put myself at about 2.5"}}. Option 4 is "same weight". Options 2 and 3, which explicitly reference WP:PRESERVE, were not found to reflect consensus.
*:Frustratingly, I can't see what the deleted version of the article looks like to compare. Do you know any way to do that? Happy to nominate under CSD#G4 if valid, otherwise I think this would definitely fail an AfD. – ]] 23:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:::* I'll grant that my ''delete'' argument was based on notability (and weak against ''merge''), but I replied to Candleabracadabra's ''merge'' recommendation in the same edit. I should have written more criticism of the sources at the AfD.
*::Hi, only admins can view deleted revisions. But considering the decade in-between I doubt that it meets the "substantially similar" threshold of the usual post-AfD recreations anyways. <span style="background:black;padding:1px 4px">]&nbsp;]</span> 23:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
:::* {{diff|User talk:Salvidrim!|576089863|575792565|My request}} only asked Salvidrim! to explain his reasoning, although a reader could reasonably infer that I would be willing to go to DRV from its length. ] (]) 04:41, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
::The and the are IMO sufficiently similar to raise G4 concerns, and yet sufficiently different to reasonably oppose to a G4 deletion. And as mentioned in my close -- you want the contents of the deleted article to potentially merge it somewhere else? Fine by me, I can send them to you and you can do whatever you want with them. <span style="13px Sylfaen;color:white;background-color:#000000;padding:0 3px 0 3px;">''':)'''&nbsp;·&nbsp;]&nbsp;·&nbsp;]</span> 16:12, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you for your reply. I'll think what to do which will also give a chance for other people to chime in here. I would be pretty sure a G4 deletion would have been overturned at DRV but certainly there would have be a body of support for G4 deletion. See I personally would have been happy with your original protected redirect retaining history. I can see no valid reason for blocking access to the material. I agree that nobody thought an article was justified. If I decide not raise the principle then I will ask you for the deleted content. However, if the wording were to be used we would need to maintain attribution in some way. Many thanks. ] (]) 16:40, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
:::: I am here because I believe that the consensus was ''delete'' and that the ''merge'' arguments were insufficient to move it to ''redirect''. Rather than merging inappropriate tone and sources from the AfD'd article, I would write fresh from the 2–3 passable refs, allowed by ], Bare references. ] (]) 04:41, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


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File:Owen Breckon is good

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Paralympic project

Since you are bilingual, I was wondering if you would be interested in translating a couple of small articles in French for me? Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Game hint lines

I came across an article in GamePro about live game counselors and 900 hint lines which has one or two useful pieces of info. The trouble is, I can't seem to find an article on Misplaced Pages where such information might appropriately go. Any suggestions?--Martin IIIa (talk) 20:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

There's probably enough coverage to convert Nintendo Power Line into a broader concept of Video Game hint lines, of which the most famous was the Nintendo Power Line: Kotaku, A.V. Club, the line was revived for the NES Mini launch (Engadget, CNet, Polygon), Wikia (unusable as a source but can be used as a base for research), featured in The Wizard, that time when one number was bought by an sex company (N4G, NBC, Wired), Gamasutra, Felicia Day biography, Geek.com, Sierra Hint Line (this is an archive of 1989 Sierra Magazine), Sega, Konami also had their own Hint Lines. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 20:55, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Martin IIIa do you have a link to the GamePro article? ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 13:17, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Bumping thread for 60 days. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 16:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Agh, sorry it took me so unbelievably long to notice this post! To add insult to injury, no, I don't have a link, just a physical copy of the issue. It's issue 92, cover-dated May 1996, and the articles is on pages 14-15, if that helps at all.--Martin IIIa (talk) 15:48, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
Ans you wouldn't happen to have a scan? ;D Ben—Salvidrim! ✉ 04:39, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
—  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 20:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Moved from WT:VG – Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 01:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Still something I'm interested in working on. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 01:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)




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I know you've been less active on Misplaced Pages lately, so I'm not sure if this will mean much to you. But I wanted you to know that I now think the Committee was overly harsh in desysopping you in 2018. If you could see yourself ever back actively and happily adminning, let me know if you'd ever want to talk about the path to becoming a sysop again. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 21:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

  • Thanks @L235:, I won't lie, I've been thinking about it recently! I've stayed a bit out of sight of patrolling the admin/community boards but I wouldn't consider myself inactive, I still edit here and there every week. Also, I don't necessarily think the desysopping was unwarranted, although I do miss the gnoming/clerking work I was able to so back then. I'm definitely open to returning to active duty if you think the community will support it! Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 23:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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If the result of the previous AfD was "delete", surely this article should not exist and its re-creation should be eligible for PROD? – PeeJay 11:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  • Hi @PeeJay:, unfortunately, as per policy, an article subject is **ineligible for PROD if it has even been PRODed or AfD'ed in the past**. WP:PRODNOM. Note that if the new article is substantially identical, CSD#G4 may apply, which an administrator can evaluate by viewing deleted revisions (but considering the decade in-between I doubt that it meets the "substantially similar" threshold of the usual post-AfD recreations). Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 12:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
    Frustratingly, I can't see what the deleted version of the article looks like to compare. Do you know any way to do that? Happy to nominate under CSD#G4 if valid, otherwise I think this would definitely fail an AfD. – PeeJay 23:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
    Hi, only admins can view deleted revisions. But considering the decade in-between I doubt that it meets the "substantially similar" threshold of the usual post-AfD recreations anyways. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 23:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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