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			Declaration: I recently logged into my daughter's account to upload and post some images to her sandbox for her university course. For privacy reasons I will not be publicly disclosing her account but will do so privately to any admin in good standing. This was a one time thing and there is no intention for me to edit further using her account. By the way uploading images on mobile is needlessly difficult event for a user who has been around since 2006.... ] <sup>'']''</sup> 15:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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			Heyy! Can you please restore ] page in my personal space, so I could continue improving it until it's ready to be published again? Thanks! --] (]) 16:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
	I'm quite certain there are older revisions of the talk page for this article - could you restore these as part of the userification?
	*I'll have a look. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:05, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	**Can you check I got them all back? ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:11, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	***It's kind of hard for me to check that given that I can't see deleted revisions. All I can say is that it seems you now deleted the latest revisions (the ones that were there before I made this request). ] (]) 21:14, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	**** I can't see any deleted revisions at either your user space or the original location so they must all be restored. I dunno what date the stuff on the page was at but it must be somewhere in the history now. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:35, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	***** You're probably right - I now think what was there before was simply an old revision that had been restored by the other administrator, not a new one. ] (]) 21:42, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	Also, I would like to clarify that I wasn't attacking anyone - merely stating my opinion (perhaps a bit harshly). ] (]) 20:57, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	*You labelled everyone you disagreed with in a way designed to devalue their opinions. This is utterly unacceptable and won't be tolerated the next time if I'm around DRV. You can disagree with someone without calling them names and you are lucky I was on a wikibreak as I would have closed the DRV out of hand. Please don't do it again. Users who challenge XFD outcomes need a neutral supportive place to work through the deletion and if we haven't lost them after the XFD we will have after an agreesive DRV. Thanks. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:05, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	**While there isn't much point in arguing about this now, I would like to note that I did not in fact call anyone names at all - the so-called attack that was referred to on that page was something else entirely. ] (]) 21:09, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	**Some of your labels - "the delete crowd" "deletionist bias" * "You're clearly a deletionist" * " you can see that anyone who doesn't want this article restored doesn't want to follow Misplaced Pages policy" - All of these are polemic statements that add no value to the discussion and just make you look strident and agressive. You can surely express yourself as clearly without needing to be so dismissive of those you disagree with?? ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:18, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	****Given the number of essays on the subject, I thought calling people "deletionists" wasn't considered an attack at all (and the latter statement obviously isn't an attack). If there's some policy against this that I'm not aware of, I'd appreciate you providing me with a link to it. ] (]) 21:22, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	*****You are right about that and in retrospect I shouldn't have used the term attack on the close. I have therefore removed the comment with my apologies. That said, it was labelling and that can be just as bad. I firmly believe that labelling people you disagree with isn't acceptable as it cheapens and coarsens the discussion and raises the temperature unnecesserily - and frankly adds no value. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:30, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	******I appreciate the removal of that statement. I do see your point despite not fully agreeing with it, and as I stated below, I will try to be less aggressive in similar future discussions. ] (]) 21:42, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	**I'll definitely try to be less aggressive next time, though. ] (]) 21:10, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	***Pleased to hear it. You will get a better discussion too with users more willing to chip in. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 21:18, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	I've just found out that the userified page is still protected. ] (]) 21:00, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
	*I'll fix that. I didn't know protection moved with a page. ] <sup>'']''</sup>

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	* While I think delete was a reasonable close and so the redirect should not have been overturned (I don't think non-public is so well defined that it clearly doesn't apply to her), I think your closing statement was clear and reasonable. Hard close, nice job. ] (]) 03:49, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
	* I want to add my voice to those applauding the close in this case. ] (]) 03:52, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
	**Thanks for the kind comments. Usually it only takes me a few minutes to close a DRV but this one took well over an hour while I reread all the policy and the AFD and considered the DRV. I'm glad to see the time wasn't wasted. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 09:49, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
	*Yeah, I was generally the same direction as Hobit on this one but I respect the effort you put into the close and your reading of consensus there. As above - hard close, nice job. ]] 14:33, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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	If so, why are there pages with so many links to the company's own website and only one single reference to another site, which is not even really a news website, but rather a sponsored industry trade journal....

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I'm a long term user (first edit 2006) and have been an admin on or off since 2007. When we first started there was so much idealism and we really had no strong policies about inclusion except a desire to have some level of sourcing. As time moved on we became more structured and around the time I became an admin in 2007 we were grappling with the concept of collapsing non notable articles into lists which I was at the forefront of as a regular afd closer and constant presence at DRV. I had a lot of patience once and for that reason was regular DRV closer for a long time after GR Berry left the project. Sadly, my patience was degraded over time and getting involved in the PORNBIO wars pretty much washed out a lot of the good faith that policy and courtesy quite rightly requires us to show. This was again a major change in our approach to content and one of the first SNGs that was deprecated in favour of a more rigid approach to proper sourcing. Since then our content in this area has become much better and we are seeing similar struggles now in the sports arena where SNGs are slowly giving way to GNG level standards.

I have always taken a very legalistic approach to closing discussions that I recognise does not fit well to the current community standard, where low participation level allowing more brigading of votes or allowing more non-policy based arguments. For this reason I'm not really closing discussions but will still happily review old closes. Otherwise I mostly review and nominate unsuitable content as a BLP is a serious matter and needs to be properly sourced.

i am willing to userfy deleted articles for improvement as long as there is a reasonable likelihood that they can be saved. If you are challenging a deletion, do you have three good sources?

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Please don't leave talkback templates as I always watchlist pages when I edit and I'm perfectly capable of looking for a reply myself.

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Restore for updating

Heyy! Can you please restore Masha Danilova page in my personal space, so I could continue improving it until it's ready to be published again? Thanks! --Oleh325 (talk) 16:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Good Afternoon, Can you please userfy the deleted article for me?

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