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the Spanish languages. The term literature in Spanish will refer to any production in Spanish whatever the state it is produced. |
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== POV edit by ] == |
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I reverted a recent edit by the above user as they did not adhere to a neutral point of view and also introduced grammatical errors. ] (]) |
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== Edit request on 3 November 2012 == |
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The 2008/2009 credit crunch and world recession manifested itself in Spain through a massive downturn in the property sector. Fortunately, Spain's banks and financial services avoided the more severe problems of their counterparts in the USA and UK, due mainly to a stringently enforced conservative financial regulatory regime. The Spanish financial authorities had not forgotten the country's own banking crisis of 1979 and an earlier real-estate-precipitated banking crisis of 1993. Indeed, Spain's largest bank, Banco Santander, participated in the UK government's bail-out of part of the UK banking sector. |
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== Changing the name of Spain to Andalusia == |
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Seriously? Ever heard of the Bankia bailout? (http://en.wikipedia.org/Bankia) |
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:This has been updated. By the way, some of Europe's most successful banks are Spanish. See Santander and BBVA. It's the regional, internally oriented banks that are in big trouble, crushed by the collapsing prices of the housing market. |
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Spain is a colonial name of Andalusia of the Islamic Caliphate. Its not exist. Please change the name to Andalusia the not colonial name ] (]) 15:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC) |
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:Dear Misplaced Pages user. Kindly check accurate sources prior to making this kind of comments. While the Spanish constitution does not establish an official name for the state of Spain ] While the origin of the word might be uncertain, the hypothesis of the Phoenician word ] ] (]) 08:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Why The Second of May 1808 painting is relevant and the Black Legend is not == |
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:Hello. We, following the guidelines of ], go by what places are most commonly called, not what someone reasons out they ''should'' be called. ] (]) 12:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC) |
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::Lads, you took the bait. Look where the IP is from. Look at what happened between Spain and that place on 28 May 2024. ]. ] (]) 21:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC) |
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The Second of May 1808 painting was here for a long time before you replaced it LTblb. There is a good reason why it is on this page, quite apart from the fact that it is a great painting by one of history's great masters of painting, Goya - the event depicted marks the start of the Spanish people's revolt against Napoleon's imperial rule and marks the beginning of the resistance that expanded into Spain's nationalistic War of Independence or Peninsular War. It marks a decisive break in the history of Spain and is often seen as the beginning of ''modern'' Spanish history proper (as opposed to "early modern"). It is a date of great importance to Spain to this day. The Battle of Bailen follows from this and is therefore of secondary importance. And though a victory, the gains made against the French army were totally reversed when Napoleon personally took charge of the French imperial forces. |
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:::@] How do I look where the IP is from? ] (]) 02:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Secondly, the "Black Legend" was first described in 1914 by Julián Juderías. It is about a set of historical myths that had grown up centuries earlier, ''it is not a historic event''; until Juderias' book was published in 1914 nobody had ever heard of the "Black Legend". It is label used by a historian to describe a disperate collection of historical myths and narratives that had in common a completely negative view of Spanish history. That is not a "historic event", it is a historian's "interpretation" - whether Juderias' Black Legend thesis is right or wrong is not the issue, it simply is not a historic event like say the revolt on the 2nd of May 1808 or Columbus' discovery of America. |
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:::Is there a reason you felt the need to be cryptic instead of just saying that the IP is from Israel and it was the day that Spain recognized Palestine? ] (]) 12:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:Don't feed the trolls. ] (]) 12:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2024 == |
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Since you are making these changes to this article and I am reverting the article to its ''long standing'' former status, it is you, LTblb, who has to justify these changes, not me. ] (]) 00:31, 14 July 2013 (UTC) |
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::But, what are you talking about? You have removed the information about The Black Legend arbitrarily June 29, 2013 () Will you make a particular interpretation of history for the World??? Historians of prestigious universities have written hundreds of books about The Black Legend, and you come here to say that it is an invention, a historian's "interpretation", can you imagine how ridiculous that is? ... |
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Request to add a new ] titled {{Main|Mass media in Spain}} under ]. |
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] (]) 12:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::And Bailen was an absolutely relevant battle, like battle of Stalingrad (IIWW), was the first major defeat of the Grande Armee, setting in motion the rise of the Fifth Coalition against France. --] (]) 01:33, 14 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:I kind of think this is summed up by the reference to ] and unneeded, I also think that there's no clear section heading to add it under, but I'll leave this open if someone disagrees. ] ⬡ 17:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> I agree with Bestagon. The quality of the ] article is pretty low, and there's not much it has to offer compared to what ] already has. ] (]) 01:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Major metropolitan areas in Spain== |
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:::As a battle Bailen cannot be compared to Stalingrad. It is true that at Bailen the Spanish army inflicted an unexpected and widely celebrated defeat on the Napoleonic army and soon after the French armies were nearly completely driven out of Spain but then Napoleon took personal charge of the French imperial army, swept aside the Spanish and British armies and and retook Spain! So Bailen was a dead end, it was ''not'' a decisive victory for the Spanish like Stalingrad was for the Soviet Union. Bailen is of secondary historical importance but the popular May 1808 revolts in Spain are of the first order of historical importance because those revolts ''precipitated the war of independence against the Napoleonic regime''. Without those popular revolts there would have been no War against Napoleon in Spain and no Battle of Bailen. |
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:::The Black Legend is not a historic event like the May revolts of 1808, the discovery of America or the first landing on the moon. To confuse a ''historical thesis'' like the ''Black Legend'' with actual ''historic events'' like the crowning of Charlemagne or the first flight of an airplane is to fundamentally confuse categories of things. The Black Legend is an ''interpretative historical theory'' proposed by one historian, and supported and opposed by other historians, to explain why there are so many negative historical narratives relating to Spanish history. It does not matter whether you agree or disagree with Julian's ''Black Legend thesis'' - it is ''not'' an ''event'', it is a historian's theory to explain historic facts. If you don't understand the fundamental difference between a ''historic event'' like the first landing on the moon, and a historian's interpretative ''thesis'', then you really have no business editing history. The short historical section in this article is to provide the reader a very brief introduction to the ''major historic events'' of Spanish history, like Columbus's first voyage, the conquest of Granada, the 2nd of May revolt, etc. It is not about a historian's interpretative historical theory like the ''Black Legend thesis or analysis''. ] (]) 05:28, 14 July 2013 (UTC) |
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Spain's capital and ] is ], and other major ] include ], ], and ]. ] (]) 22:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Major metropolitan areas in Spain are Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and Sevilla<ref></ref>, but Zaragoza isn't. So, you must change ] to ] |
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The battle of Bailen was a determinant factor during the Napoleonic Wars, not military, but strategic victory, because it was the seed of the Fifth Coalition. |
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:{{Not done}}: please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (])(]) 05:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:https://es.m.wikipedia.org/Anexo:%C3%81reas_metropolitanas_de_Espa%C3%B1a ] (]) 07:15, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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The Black Legend was an event of such great importance that had far-reaching implications for the following centuries.... Your claim about it is not a historical event deserve no mention at all, and , neither. Remember: ] --] (]) 11:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC) |
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== What is the basis of the accuracy dispute regarding metropolitan areas? == |
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== Origns of the name of Spain == |
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The idea that this name means Land of Rabbits is ludicrous and has no bases in the etymology and travel of language. The original name of the city of Isfahan or Esphanhan in Iran was originally Sepana and since the Mithriac traditions were so prevalent in that region it affords and validates to view the origin of this name from that perspective. We know from documented evidence that various cities is Spain were established by the Goths and the Alans, notably Catalonia which as GothAlania, a group of the Iranian people known as Sakas (later to be called Saxons) and these interactions were cultural, religious and linguistic. The issue seems to be that the origins of names do not go further than certain geographical areas and tend to attempt to restrict the etymology within certain geographic boundaries. This is a skewed view and unreliable as it excludes the etymology to elsewhere other than it's nearest point. ] (]) 00:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC) |
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I see the tag on the metropolitan area table but it's not clear why it's there. Someone disputes a population number, perhaps? ] (]) 03:35, 18 July 2013 (UTC) |
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:Are there reliable sources that support any of your claims? Are you taking into account that the Phoenicians were referring to the area as Spaniya many centuries before the arrival of the Goths and Alans and possibly before the name "Isfahan" came into use in what is now Iran? As for what you find ludicrous, why? There are clearly plenty of researchers who don't find it ludicrous. ] (]) 01:56, 12 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== One interesting aspect about spain == |
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:"A group of the Iranian people known as Sakas (later to be called Saxons)"? You must be joking. Utter nonsense. I have corrected the information per the given source, and added info from ''Developmental Biology in Hispania (Spain & Portugal)'' by Juan Arechaga, published by the '']''. Also, as I stated in my edit summary, we should not be citing journalistic content from a news site for etymological info, but rather the experts quoted in the news article. ] (]) 04:00, 12 November 2024 (UTC) |
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/05/spanish-highest-life-expectancy-europe <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 01:59, 16 August 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Misplaced Pages Spain == |
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== Number of World Heritage Sites in Spain == |
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Change the number of World Heritage Sites in the Culture section in the World Heritage Sites subsection from 49 to 50 as its own source shows. |
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<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/Spain#Culture</ref> |
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<ref>https://www.unesco.org/en/world-heritage/list?hub=68246&f%5B0%5D=countries%3A8f6a44ba-8d26-5daa-810e-5c7a34c0b047&f%5B1%5D=dataset_filters%3A6b092825-9770-47e0-92c6-084caebeca46#toggle-facets |
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</ref> ] (]) 17:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 21:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC) |
Spain is a colonial name of Andalusia of the Islamic Caliphate. Its not exist. Please change the name to Andalusia the not colonial name 188.64.206.0 (talk) 15:05, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
Major metropolitan areas in Spain are Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and SevillaCite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page)., but Zaragoza isn't. So, you must change Zaragoza to Seville
The idea that this name means Land of Rabbits is ludicrous and has no bases in the etymology and travel of language. The original name of the city of Isfahan or Esphanhan in Iran was originally Sepana and since the Mithriac traditions were so prevalent in that region it affords and validates to view the origin of this name from that perspective. We know from documented evidence that various cities is Spain were established by the Goths and the Alans, notably Catalonia which as GothAlania, a group of the Iranian people known as Sakas (later to be called Saxons) and these interactions were cultural, religious and linguistic. The issue seems to be that the origins of names do not go further than certain geographical areas and tend to attempt to restrict the etymology within certain geographic boundaries. This is a skewed view and unreliable as it excludes the etymology to elsewhere other than it's nearest point. Konradbertam (talk) 00:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Change the number of World Heritage Sites in the Culture section in the World Heritage Sites subsection from 49 to 50 as its own source shows.
ArloSanders (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
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Not done: I agree with Bestagon. The quality of the Mass media in Spain article is pretty low, and there's not much it has to offer compared to what Culture of Spain already has. Mz7 (talk) 01:07, 26 August 2024 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Amortias (T)(C) 05:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
Done