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= December 24 =
{{Misplaced Pages:Help_desk/Archives/2013 November 17}}


== Duplicative text on ]? ==
= November 18 =


Hi. I think there is a superfluous paragraph at the end of ]. I added ] to the Talk page asking about it. The automated help text told me that this particular Talk page is "not watched by many users" and suggested asking my question here. So: Is there a superfluous paragraph at the end of ]? If the last two paragraphs say the same thing, one should be eliminated; if not, one or both should be rewritten to clarify the point each is trying to make. ] (]) 00:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
==Moles==
:{{ping|Larrydberg}} I guess ] meant to reformulate the existing paragraph in but forgot to remove the old version. ] (]) 01:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
I Searched "Mole & Avogador's Number". In the first article appeared the folowing:
::I believe so. Apologies. I fixed the issue. <span style="color:#CD0000">] ★ (])</span> 07:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== Assistance Required for Published Article Not Going Live ==
The mole is widely used in chemistry instead of units of mass or volume as a convenient way to express amounts of reactants or of products of chemical reactions. For example, the chemical equation 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O implies that 2 mol of dihydrogen (H2) and 1 mol of dioxygen (O2) react to form 2 mol of water (H2O). The mole may also be used to express the number of atoms, ions, or other elementary entities in a given sample of any substance. The concentration of a solution is commonly expressed by its molarity, defined as the number of moles of the dissolved substance per litre of solution.


Dear Misplaced Pages Help Desk,
1. It would only be one mole of "dihydrogen" (H2)since the molecule already is )H2)or it would take two moes of Hydrogen and the one mole of Oxygen as stated. However the Oxygen would be in the form O2 so it would take one mole of oxygen (Ow) and two moles of hydrogen (H2).


I hope this message finds you well. I published an article on India Semiconductor Mission (username - Display Ecosystem) in November, and it has not gone live yet. The article draft can be found at the following link:https://en.wikipedia.org/User:DisplayEcosystem
Enough said! <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:03, 18 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:This page is for askign questions about how to use Misplaced Pages. I suggest you try ]. ] ] 00:11, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


I would like to understand the status of this article and whether there are any additional steps or issues preventing it from being moved to the live Misplaced Pages space. Your guidance on resolving this matter would be greatly appreciated.
::Is the question whether the article is correct? The article is correct as stated. 2 moles of molecular hydrogen and 1 mole of molecular oxygen yield two moles of water. If you have any further questions, as noted, you can go to ]. ] (]) 00:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


Thank you for your time and assistance.
:With the proper formatting in ] it says: "For example, the chemical equation 2 H<sub>2</sub> + O<sub>2</sub> → 2 H<sub>2</sub>O implies that 2&nbsp;mol of ] (H<sub>2</sub>) and 1&nbsp;mol of ] (O<sub>2</sub>) react to form 2&nbsp;mol of water (H<sub>2</sub>O)."
:This is correct. It sounds like you have overlooked that two and not one mol of water is formed. Fractions are usually disallowed in such equations but if we allowed it then we could instead write "H<sub>2</sub> + ½ O<sub>2</sub> → H<sub>2</sub>O implies that 1&nbsp;mol of ] (H<sub>2</sub>) and half a mol of ] (O<sub>2</sub>) react to form 1&nbsp;mol of water (H<sub>2</sub>O)." I guess this is the version you have in mind. ] (]) 00:42, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


Best regards,
== Disable Viet Nam Veteran ==
Sonali Jain ] (]) 05:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


:It's because all of that content is on your Userpage. If you want to publish it completely then you should move it to a new space. However, I'd move that content to a draft and continue working on it since it still doesn't look ready to me. Should I move it to a draft so you can continue working on it? ] (]|]) 05:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Are we as veterans, cannot ask anything of people that needs help,unless they S.S. benefits would be taken away? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:49, 18 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:What do you mean? Is this a Misplaced Pages related question? --] (]) 00:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC) ::Please guide me on further steps to make it live. It would be really great if you could provide me with your valuable feedbacks on page and it's content. ] (]) 05:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Yes sure, you can move it to draft so that I can publish it again. ] (]) 05:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Sure, I'll create a draft for you but please keep working on the content to make it better and then publish it. ] (]|]) 05:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::What do you want the title to be? ] (]|]) 05:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::The article is all about "India Semiconductor Mission". ] (]) 05:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::I have left a message on your talk page. If you are employed at India Semiconductor Mission, you are considered a paid editor and should make a paid contribution disclosure as explained in the message. Please also see ]. ] (]) 05:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::::I would like to clarify that I am not employed at India Semiconductor Mission. This page is being created for a government organization, which operates under the Ministry. Therefore, it should not be considered as a paid contribution.
:::::::I kindly request your guidance on any further enhancements or adjustments required to meet Misplaced Pages's standards. ] (]) 06:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::::::::You would also be a paid editor if you are employed or paid by the Ministry. For advice on your draft, it currently has no sources apart from external links. Misplaced Pages does not care about what India Semiconductor Mission or the Ministry says about itself. You need to find reliable sources that are independent of India Semiconductor Mission and base the article on what those sources say. If no such sources can be found, the organization probably does not satisfy Misplaced Pages's ]. You can also read ] for further advice. ] (]) 06:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:Hello, @].
:Editors who try to create an article before they have spent significant time learning how Misplaced Pages works often have a disappointing and frustrating task, because they have no idea what it takes to create a Misplaced Pages article. It's like trying to build a house when you have no knowledge of surveying, building, plumbing, electrical installation, etc. And it's even harder when you have a ].
:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}
:Be aware that Misplaced Pages is basically not interested at all in what you know (whoever you are) or in what the subject of the article (or their associates) say or want to say. A Misplaced Pages article should be a summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject, and very little else. ''First'' find your sources (and make sure they are independent: see ]) ''then'' forget everything you know about the subject, and write a summary of what those sources say. ] (]) 12:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== I'm having problem with loging in😭😭😭😭😭😭 ==
== How to insert a picture? ==


I'm having problem with loging in😭😭😭😭😭😭 ] (]) 17:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
I have completed article about West Siberian Laika and would like to add some pictures to illustrate. The pictures are my own and I do not need to ask for permission to publish them. I have many pictures of my own dogs and puppies. I also have a few pictures supplied by my close friends and I have their consent, if I need to use them.
:What happens when you use ]? <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 17:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
] (]) 02:03, 18 November 2013 (UTC)Vladimir Beregovoy


== Flag of Syria ==
:See ]. <span style="font-family:monospace;">]</span>|] 02:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


How can I change current Syrian flag in the page ] with the 1980-2024 version? ] (]) 17:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
== Air Vice-Marshal Brian Lewis Robinson RAF Ret'd ==
:This discussion might be helpful: ] ]&nbsp;] 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


== George Washington ==
I would like to enquire why my name is not to be found among the list of RAF Air Marshals starting with the letter "R" <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:24, 18 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


It states in the Misplaced Pages, George Washington, political party - independent. I believe that to be incorrect and he was a member of the Whig. ] (]) 19:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:Are you referring to our ]? As I understand it (RAF ranks aren't my speciality, and I'm relying on ] on the subject), an Air Vice-Marshal is a lower rank, and wouldn't be included. ] (]) 02:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


:If you refer to ] then Misplaced Pages calls that a category and not a list. ] can only contain Misplaced Pages pages and there is currently no biography about you. ] (]) 02:53, 18 November 2013 (UTC) :If you wish to change it, you will need to provide a reliable source backing up your claim. ] (]) 20:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:In my knowledge he was never member of any political party. <br /> <br />
:About "]" , I verified if my knowledge were wrong and I confirm he was never member of a political party accorded to searches done. ] (]) 21:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::George Washington was not a member of a political party, and he was opposed to the very idea of political parties, as he explained in ] in 1796. His thoughts on that matter have been widely ignored ever since, and ], for example, was heavily involved in party politics. ] (]) 04:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks @] for the details about the matter. I did knew nothing about this letter. <br /> <br /> ] (]) 04:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== Ahir cast surname add ==
== A specific third party link syntax incompatable with wiki markup language ==


Ahir cast 1 gujrati sAhirurname add chhaida છૈડા ] (]) 21:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Greetings: A third party site (USGS) allows link saving with various display parameters imbeded. This can be executed by pasting into the browser bar but when put into a wikipedia external link the presense of double opening brackets breaks the link. Writing the link contents as a nowiki block within the single outer brackets causes no link to be generated.


:This forum is only about '''"Misplaced Pages in English language"''' and not '''"Misplaced Pages in another language"'''. ] (]) 22:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
(The following <nowiki><</nowiki>nowiki<nowiki>></nowiki> <nowiki><</nowiki>/nowiki<nowiki>></nowiki> inside of single brackets - note that no link is generated)
:Are you asking to add something to ] or to ]? If so, the talk page of the relevant article is the best place to ask. But be aware that unless a ] is found, information may not be added to Misplaced Pages articles. ] (]) 23:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)


] (]) 22:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
In late 2013 a means of saving a link "bookmark" was instituted. One such bookmark for this general area may be selected here to show regional earthquakes of all magnitudes for the most recent seven days:%2C]%2C%22overlays%22%3A{%22plates%22%3Atrue%2C%22faults%22%3Atrue}%2C%22viewModes%22%3A{%22map%22%3Atrue%2C%22list%22%3Afalse%2C%22settings%22%3Atrue%2C%22help%22%3Afalse}}</nowiki>]


== Citing YouTube video is not allowed, what can I do? ==
(Note that if the following link is selected and pasted into the browser's link bar the correct http code is executed by the site - you will get a seismic map presentation)


Hello all!
<nowiki>http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#{%22feed%22%3A%227day_all%22%2C%22search%22%3Anull%2C%22sort%22%3A%22newest%22%2C%22basemap%22%3A%22grayscale%22%2C%22autoUpdate%22%3Atrue%2C%22restrictListToMap%22%3Atrue%2C%22timeZone%22%3A%22local%22%2C%22mapposition%22%3A%2C]%2C%22overlays%22%3A{%22plates%22%3Atrue%2C%22faults%22%3Atrue}%2C%22viewModes%22%3A{%22map%22%3Atrue%2C%22list%22%3Afalse%2C%22settings%22%3Atrue%2C%22help%22%3Afalse}}</nowiki>


I was revising a page about a TV drama and citing YouTube interviews of the actors which are rejected by the system.
A workaround is needed for this to be useable within a specific article. If no workaround is possible the parsing engine may need work.
I ended up mentioning the year and program of the interviews, which got entirely removed by Rastinition, which I believe should be Misplaced Pages.


What can I do? Not sure if it is a piece of information that will make a difference, the language I am amending is traditional Chinese. ] (]) 23:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you,


:If you are speaking about '''"Misplaced Pages in Chinese language"'''. You're not on the right forum.
- ] (]) 07:12, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
:This is the forum for '''"Misplaced Pages in English"'''. <br /> <br />
:The right forum is the next if you're talking about Misplaced Pages in Chinese language : https://zh.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%B1%82%E5%8A%A9 ] (]) 23:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:::{{small|For the curious, these ] unicode glyphs resolve to ]. This kind of inscrutable alpha&shy;hexanumeric line noise is what is displayed in Firefox when attempting to see which Chinese Misplaced Pages page is being pointed to by {{tl|ill}}. ] (]) 13:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)}}
::On the English Misplaced Pages, the vast majority of YouTube videos are not acceptable as references. But not all are excluded. A YouTube video on the official channel of an established news outlet accepted as a reliable source is also presumed reliable. ] (]) 04:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 25 =
:? ] (]) 07:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


== Wrong information about Roman emperor Augustus ==
::I should explain. The trick is to go through the url, replacing problematic characters with their encodings. In the above, I replaced all <nowiki> { }</nowiki> by %5B %5D %7B %7D respectively. Maybe I didn't need to replace all of them – but what I did worked. The page it leads to is fascinating. It's a scrollable and zoomable map of the world, with every earthquake in the last week shown, its size and colour indicating its magnitude and recentness. And it automatically updates once a minute. ] (]) 12:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


If Augustus was born in 63BC and died in AD14 he was 51 years old when he died. How come your Misplaced Pages lists his age 74 when he died. Please correct the information about Augustus’s age when he died in AD 14. ] (]) 00:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
== Using photographs from the English edition of Misplaced Pages on articles translated to other languages. ==


:You can make the change yourself and provide proper, reliable source to back up your claim. ] (]) 01:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
I just translated an article from the English Misplaced Pages. I would like to use a couple of images that are "decorating" the english article in the translated one. The images are tagged as "fair use" and do not appear in Wikimedia Commons. Could I still use them since they would be used in the exact same article, but in a different language?] (]) 07:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
:Where does it say 74? ] correctly says 75. BC means Before Christ. AD meand ] which is after Christ. There was no year 0 and he didn't reach his birthday in his year of death so he was 63-1+14-1 = 75. ] (]) 01:45, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== Adding crypto address for donations ==
:Different Wikipedias have different rules about this. I suggest you ask in the help desk (or whatever they call it) of whichever language Misplaced Pages your translated article is for. ] (]) 07:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
::Many other projects do not accept ] images, because the rules governing them are very specific to US copyright law, and are very different if they exist at all in the copyright law of most other countries. That is part of the reason why they are not accepted on Commons. ] ] 15:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


:If the rules of that other Misplaced Pages allow them, you will still need to upload them to that Misplaced Pages: there is no way for one Misplaced Pages to use an image from another one. --] (]) 22:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC) Why dont you add crypto donations? Its probable easier for peoplr to transfer from digital wallet ] (]) 01:12, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


:We don't have anything to do with the donation process; please offer your suggestions to donate@wikimedia.org. ] (]) 01:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
== Mike Perlis update on his career ==
:Adding to what 331dot said above, crypto donations were stopped following ], which you should read before making suggestions. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 04:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== Pending Changes duration ==
I worked with Mike Perlis at Runners World-Rodale press. He left there in 1985, and worked from 1985 to 1989 at IDG Peterborough, NH. I then worked with Mike in 1989, until he left for Playboy Media Group in 1989.


Typically how long is Pending Changes turned on for individual articles? I ask because, assuming I'm interpreting correctly, Pending Changes has been turned on for the Henry David Thoreau article since 2017. ] (]) 07:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Larry Eder, <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:It seems that Pending Changes status won't expired after a period of time. According to ], editors can make request for unprotection to remove PC. ] (]) 16:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:I note you had already added this information to ] before posting here. However, you have not cited any ] to corroborate the information. Misplaced Pages aims to have information cited in a reliable independent source that can be checked by any editor, at any time (which excludes your memory). If you worked with Perlis, you probably know where such information might have been published - can you find such a reference?<br />PS I've also sorted out your empty reference error - ] (]) 09:20, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


== How do I change my monthly donation ==
:If Perlis left Runners World's in 1985, then how did Runners World replace Perlis as publisher of Runners World's in 1987? -- ] (]) 16:48, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


How do I change my monthly donation ] (]) 10:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
== Translation through google translate ==
:See ]. ] (]) 10:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== Nigel Pegram actor. When Google searching for my name, it says that I died. Trust me, I'm still happily alive. What can I do to rectify the situation please? ==
Hi!
I am trying to make a translation of the article, which is in Polish. English version is very short and needs to be expanded. I figure out that it is possible to make simple translation through google translate, then correct it and here we go...but hmm, all I can do is I am coming to the translation page then I have no idea what to do, somehow I need to confirm that article...but how? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 09:55, 18 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


: The guidance you need is at ]. Make sure that you include ] to support the content of your English version. - ] (]) 12:46, 18 November 2013 (UTC) Nigel Pegram actor. When Google searching for  my name, it says that I died. Trust me, I'm still happily alive. What can I do to rectify the situation please? ] (]) 13:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::Please do not just paste a google translation unless you are vey confident in your ability to tidy it up afterwards, and intend to actually do so. Cleaning up a poor translation is an extremely difficult task (take a look at a few articles in ] and you'll see what I mean). A much better way is to expand an article a little bit at a time and tidy it as you go--] ] 13:14, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


:If you are ] here, then fortunately you are still alive on Misplaced Pages. Unfortunately Misplaced Pages has no control over what external websites and search engines say, and you would have to find a way of contacting them directly.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 13:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:Another method would be to first clean up the Google text, in a word processor or in your sandbox, before pasting it into the English article. ] (]) 13:40, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
:(ec) The article about you(]) currently indicates you are alive, though in November it was edited to say you had died(, even providing a source, though I know little about it). This was removed, but perhaps Google has not indexed this change.
:We can't help you with issues surrounding Google searches; you would need to contact Google or the sources that indicate you are deceased to ask them to issue corrections. ] (]) 13:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
* might give the impression that Misplaced Pages is saying that Nigel Pegram died on 28 October 2024. Not sure where they found this, but it wasn't the current version of the Misplaced Pages article.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 13:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*:They could have found it in added by an editor (Rolando Williams) who was maliciously altering various dates in biographies and has now been blocked. Apologies to @] and please note that the advice at ] says that this is one type of vandalism you can immediately revert yourself. However, please make other suggestions for changes to the article on its Talk Page. ] (]) 13:59, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
*::Dear Michael, Thank you so much for your quick reply and for explaining the situation.
*::Happy Christmas!
*::Best wishes
*::Nigel (Pegram) ] (]) 14:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Nigelpegram}} The alleged death was copied from Misplaced Pages to {{Q|Q106264634}} at our sister project Wikidata on 11 November 2024. It was removed from Misplaced Pages 16 November but not from Wikidata. I have now removed it. Google does not reveal sources for their data fields, only the text snippet at the start if it's from Misplaced Pages, so I cannot say whether it will have an effect later. Here is a stock reply for similar posts:
::::] Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's ] uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Misplaced Pages" to indicate that particular text was copied from Misplaced Pages. An image and other text before or after the Misplaced Pages excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Misplaced Pages. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines.<!--- Template:HD/GKG ---> ] (]) 18:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== False historical information ==
== INFORMATION NOT ACCURATE ABOUT NIGERIA NATIONWIDE LEAGUE ==


I can’t seem to get any of the false historical information posted on this site to be removed / updated.
Dear Misplaced Pages,
I am happy to read an article on Nigeria Nationwide League, but please the information on that article is not accurate and needed to be updated, if you can confirm to read my message I will be glad to give you detailed information about the League as the Executive Secretary of the league.
Thank you


How can we get this addressed in a quick manner? ] (]) 16:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Olushola Ogunnowo
Executive Secretary
Nigeria Nation-Wide League
Nigeria Football Federation
Wuse, zone 7 Abuja
<phone number redacted> <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 11:17, 18 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:If you've tried to remove false information by ], remember to either include a source or remove information without a source. ] - if a reliable source reports on an untrue fact, Misplaced Pages will host it as if it was true in most cases. Enough factual information is published to where running this way is more efficient than being a platform of ]. ] (]) 16:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
: The place to suggest changes is at ]. Make sure that you provide links to ] '''independent''' of your organisation to ] the changes which you propose. - ] (]) 12:40, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
:Generally, the best way to address an inaccuracy in an article is to start on the article's talk page. If the "inaccuracy" is cited to a reliable source, you'd need to provide other reliable sources that counter it. ]&nbsp;] 16:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:It's hard to give you a clear answer when you haven't told us what article you were trying to edit. But generally, if you tried to remove something and got reverted, this is for one of three reasons:
:#. You removed something without explaining why in the edit summary, and an editor patrolling for ] mistook an unexplained removal for vandalism.
:#. You removed information which was, or appeared to be, verified by a ]. You will need to address this, either by showing that the source does not verify the information or is not reliable; or by adducing other reliable sources which support your version.
:#. You are working in a ], where different people have different views about what information is genuine and what is false.
:Whichever of these cases applies, you should open a discussion on the article's talk page, making sure to ] the editor(s) who reverted your edits - you can find who they were by looking at the article's history. ] (]) 20:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== how do I add pics to an article? == == Templates to cite journals, books, etc? ==


<s>]</s> ] is fantastic. You basically just copy-paste unformatted information (author name, title, publisher, etc) and it formats them for you. Do we not have templates that can cite other sources? A template that cites journal articles would be particularly helpful. They often have numerous authors and, depending on the topic, dozens may need to be cited to write one complete article. ] (]) 21:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
how do I add pics to my articl? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:13, 18 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:See ]. <span style="font-family:monospace;">]</span>|] 13:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


:There is a ] specifically for citing journal articles. You can find some more citation templates at ]. ] (]) 22:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
==Republic of Ireland==
:I remember coming across ] the other day and it functions somewhat similar to a citation template, maybe you can also find some templates you want at <nowiki>Category:Specific-source templates</nowiki>. ] (]) 22:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Why does wikipedia think it can decide the name of a sovereign state above the head of that state. AFAIK republic of Ireland is a football team and nothing else. Is the purpose of wikipedia to be an accurate collection of facts or is it to present its take on reality. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Sorry, ], I meant ]. That one fills the parameters automatically. ] (]) 22:16, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:Misplaced Pages does not attempt or pretend to decide what the name of a sovereign state is, it merely decides (or more accurately some of its editors decide) how to title it's articles. The article entitled ] starts "Ireland, also known as the Republic of Ireland (Irish: Poblacht na hÉireann), is a sovereign state in Europe..." The article ] is about the entire land body, including ]. (it starts "Ireland ... is an island to the north-west of continental Europe.") We can not have two articles with the same title, so we must call this one something. Also, my understanding is that "Poblacht na hÉireann" translates approximately as "Republic of Ireland". If, after all that, you think that the article name should be changed, please discuss the matter at ], which is the page for suggesting changes in that article. ] ] 14:45, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
:::There's always https://citer.toolforge.org/ for URLs, ISBNs, DOIs, PMID, PMCID, and OCLC. ]&nbsp;] 22:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::::]... that does exactly the trick! Wonderful. Thanks <3 ] (]) 00:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::@] There is also the ], which you can install so that it is available as part of the source editor. It does an excellent job on ]s in particular, with slightly less white space than the toolforge tool gives. ] (]) 16:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)


== Question about an edit from 2 years ago ==
::] would usually be the place to discuss the name but in this case it has already been discussed extensively and the page has the box ] which says where to discuss it. See also the "Frequently Asked Questions" box at ] which only has one question: "Why isn't this article titled Ireland?" ] (]) 15:09, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


So i was digging around and i realized that 2 years ago someone(that is currently blocked from wikipedia) edited the article about "Rap God", particularly in the critical reception part where it went from "the song recieved critical acclaim" to "the song received mixed reviews" even tho it currently doesnt display it due to this being so long ago.
== Editing a German wiki page ==
before: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Rap_God&oldid=1072529929


after: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Rap_God&oldid=1075188916
I've been asked to update a German page:


Im pretty new to editing and contributing so i apologise, but what ended up changing because it seems that it was still acclaimed/praised by critics?(Kory Grow from Rolling Stone, Jim Farber from Daily New, and Nick Hill from Contact Music among others) ] (]) 23:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
]
:Hi @]. Since the editor who changed it is blocked, we can't ask why they made that edit, but neither wording ("critical acclaim" or "mixed reviews") is in the article now. The reception section simply summarizes the reviews and lets the reader make up their own minds. ]&nbsp;] 00:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah I see that makes sense, noted. I was just wondering so thank you for the response ] (]) 09:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 26 =
I've made the edits but can't seem to put the changes live. It says I have 'unmarked changes' or 'unsighted changes' and I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. My German is pretty non-existent.


== Newly created article with another title ==
There seems to be a slightly different way of working on the Germn Wiki site to the UK and I can't work it out.


I recently created '']'', a 2018 British children's novel written by ]. A year later it was published in the states by Macmillan Publishing under the title ], which is currently a redirect to ], due to a single on that album having that name. However, the top search result from Google for "The Day the World Stopped Turning" is from Amazon books (Michael Morpurgo), and the fourth and fifth search results on the first page from Google are from Macmillan Publishing and ] for the book. The single from the album is listed as the eight search result. I wanted to create a redirect for the American book title, but I don't just want to hijack that redirect page. Any advice on what to do, if anything, or should I just not worry about it. Thanks.]] 10:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Any help gratefully received.


:@] The usual procedure in such cases would be to turn the redirect page into a ] page. Read that page for instructions or come back here if you need more help. ]|] 10:09, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Iain <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:40, 18 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Definitely looks ripe for a DAB. There is also a song by that name on ]'s '']'', a song by that name by ] as recorded on ]'s '']'', and a book by ]. ] (]) 17:58, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::I DABified it. ] (]) 18:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


== Unknown parameter ==
:This page is about help with using the English-language Misplaced Pages, so we can't always be of much help with other language versions of Misplaced Pages. They are separate projects. However, there is a feature, known as "pending changes" on the English language version, which can be activated for particular pages. When it is active, new edits from unregistered users and, I think, users who are registered but not ], are held in a pending status until another editor accepts them. This is designed as an anti-vandalism tool. The en wikipedia makes very little use of this feature. I believe that the de Misplaced Pages makes more use of it, and it sounds to me as if this is what you encountered. ] ] 14:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


] has an unknown parameter "|1=" somewhere but I can't find it. ] (]) 11:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::Yes, you have done nothing wrong. Your edit was saved but hasn't been reviewed yet. This means unregistered users and some registered users will not see the edit at the normal article view https://de.wikipedia.org/Sicpa until a German editor reviews it and either accepts or rejects it. I cannot say when this will happen. ] (]) 15:00, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


:I've made a change. How's that? '''] <sup>(] • ])</sup>''' 11:45, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks guys. Can I ask a quick follow-up question. Is this simply a matter of time or is there anything I can do to alert someone that I've made changes? Cheers. Iain.] (]) 15:04, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
::Thx. Source formatting can make my eyes glaze over. ] (]) 11:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::No problem. |1= just means that there is a null parameter. Either |text or ||. Easy to miss. '''] <sup>(] • ])</sup>''' 12:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)


==Image and navbox==
::::It's automatically added to a list where interested German editors can find it, but there are lots of pending changes. If I read the logs correctly then the oldest are 12 days but only a few are above 9 days and may have been skipped by some editors due to complications. I don't know their practices but some editors probably work through the list from the oldest, while others may unpredictably come by a random pending change and review it before a chronological editor gets there. Unless your change is critical like removing serious vandalism, defamation or copyright violations, you are just expected to wait. ] (]) 15:24, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
The topmost image in the ] article on the left is of him in his military academy jacket from youth on the left side, however, the image is printing out in a section below the one where it has been edited into the article. This seems to be a navbox/infobox conflict issue, but it seems that there should be a way to cause the image to appear where it is intended to be placed during regular editing. How does one keep the image in place in spite of apparent navbox conflicts? ] (]) 15:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I think that any time that an editor with the right to approve such changes views or edits or looks at the page history of the page, that editor will be prompted to consider reviewing and approving or declining the changes. Such an editor could ignore the prompt, but I suspect most would approve routine changes, well, routinely. ] ] 15:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
:{{ping|ErnestKrause}} I used ]. ] (]) 18:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::It worked like a charm. Nice editing. ] (]) 00:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


== I don't understand the point of ] ==
== in the midst of editing an article and cannot seem to locate it to work on it. ==


The reason why I don't understand the point of ], is because it's supposed to act as a guideline to not use citations in the lead if the information they would like to source is not mentioned in the body. It says on the article, "Because the lead usually repeats information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material." What I see is editors, including myself (I have just realised as going over the guideline), they put into the lead what was not mentioned in the body. For example, copyediting from another article and or from an infobox if on the page. Most editors don't know this and just add whatever. We all want editors to follow Misplaced Pages's guidelines, right? So maybe the administrators should maybe do something or someone of a higher rank should do something about this guideline? ] (]) 22:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
hi, I was in the midst of creating an article, I opted to see preview.
Now I want to edit it and cannot seem to get back to the article, how can I find it.
I had not saved it because I was still editing it.
Thanks, Cindy {{unsigned2|10:48, 18 November 2013‎ |Cterzian }}


:Your first sentence seems to be backwards: if the source is not mentioned in the body , it ''should'' be cited in the lead. But as I understand it, there should not normally be any information in the lead which is not in the body (forther up the same page: "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.")
:I'm afraid if you didn't save, it is not saved on Misplaced Pages. When you preview, a view of what the page would look like if saved is shown at the top, and the editing box is at the bottom. If that page is still displayed in your browser, scroll down and the edit box may well still be there. if it isn't you may be able to use browser navigation to return to the preview, and your browser may still have your text in memory. Good luck. ] ] 15:55, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
:As to your last sentence: there is no "someone of a higher rank", and admins as admins have no part in setting policy (though they may be called upon to perform administrative tasks like closing discussion). If you want to open a discussion, you're as qualified to do so as anybody - either at the talk page of the relevant guideline, or at one of the departments of the ]. ] (]) 23:04, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
::While you are getting used to things, it may help to work on drafts in your ] and just save frequently. -- ] 16:01, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
::Thanks ] (]) 23:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 27 =
== What's a respectable period of time between requesting page moves? ==


== Citation format for interviews - citing interviewer ==
There was a page move requested over at ] recently, which was closed on November 13th as no consensus. Then it was re-requested on November 15th. There appears to be some background between editors regarding the motives for such a request being raised again, but I'm curious as I can't find any reference in the page move articles that suggests how long a gap should be before moves are sensibly requested again. For the record, (as I state on the page) I was non-commital on the initial move, but am against it on the re-request as I feel that it's inappropriately soon, and smacks of ''"keep requesting until we get a desired outcome"''.


Hi all -- quick question about citation/quote formatting. Appreciate any insights!
Although not required (this ain't ANI) I will inform the editors via the talk page that I've brought this up here. ] (]) 17:58, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


I'm using an interview of a subject of an article (]) as a citation for a fact about an exhibition Gilliam held in New York in 1968. I am ''not'' using one of Gilliam's answers in the interview as the source for this detail, but rather one of the interviewer's statements. The interviewer gives details about a work from that 1968 exhibition. Is there a way to properly format an interview citation to show that I'm citing the interviewer rather than the subject, and is it in general OK to use an interview source like this, with the interviewer as the actual source of the information? And relatedly, would it be "correct" to include a bracketed statement of who is speaking if I were to include a quote from the source in the citation? Here's what I'm looking to cite/how I think it would be formatted (quote would probably be shorter), as both a long citation and harvp with a quote:
:There is no formal policy, but making repeated requests when there is no reasonable chance of consensus having changed is disruption. The appropriate response is (1) first let the editor who does it know, via a polite talk page message, that you consider it disruptive, (2) if it continues, let the editor know, via a polite but firm talk page message, that continuing the activity will force you to file a report at ANI, (3) if it still continues, file a report at ANI asking for administrative action. Avoid being rude or showing emotion, and don't make your messages any longer than they need to be, and don't let yourself get sucked into unproductive arguments. ] (]) 18:51, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
::I wasn't the one who proposed it, but I believe that since the closer of the first proposal ignored my !vote pretty much, that it felt there may have been a chance for consensus. Though I was surprised at the sudden re-proposal as well, and I'm glad you've checked up on how appropriate it is or isn't, Caheel. This does relax that lingering question I had in my mind if it was okay for the proposer (who wasn't the original proposer either), to bring it up again after only a couple days.--]] 19:06, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


-Section of article -
One question: I have made a lot of move requests on many titles. Particularly on ], was I disruptive for re-proposing the renaming? ] (]) 20:55, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
*Detail about the exhibition<ref>{{harvp|Gilliam|2019}}, : "Another situation you responded to with interesting results was your first one-person show in New York at the Byron Gallery, in 1968. You were presented with a 30 foot wall, so you decided to make a 30 foot painting with the playful title ''Sock-It-To-Me''. Shockingly, the gallerist turned the lights off at the opening because he was angry at your thinking-on-your feet gesture of installing what he deemed to be unsaleable work."</ref>
-Citations-
{{reflist}}
-References-
*{{cite interview |last=Gilliam |first=Sam |interviewer-last=McGlynn |interviewer-first=Tom |title=Sam Gilliam with Tom McGlynn |work=] |date=September 2019 |url=https://brooklynrail.org/2019/09/art/sam |access-date=11 February 2024 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230926040413/https://brooklynrail.org/2019/09/art/sam |archive-date=26 September 2023 |url-status=live |oclc=49309197}}


::That's out of scope of my original question. I want to know whether there is a process or state of grace between the original proposal, and the re-raising of it. ] (]) 22:35, 18 November 2013 (UTC) (I did some major clean-up on the Sam Gilliam article a while back before I really understood the nuances of citing interviews, doing some patching now to add in secondary sources to the few places where I accidentally used an interview as a sole citation.) ] (]) 02:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


== deleted page == == Small question ==


How do I see my edit count to articles only? Is there a script for this? ''']''' (]) 06:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
we need to fix a deleted page. my husband had a page someone put up without permission. how do we fix it if we are not the original log in? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:12, 18 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:@] there's a simpler way: go to ], expand the "Search for contributions" menu, and select the "(article)" namespace. <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 06:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::Alright thanks a lot ''']''' (]) 06:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I have done as you said, but it seems like it doesn't show the number of edits, which is what I need ''']''' (]) 07:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Go to ], scroll down to the bottom, and select "Edit count" from the links there. Then scroll down to the "Namespace Totals". -- ] (]) 09:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you ''']''' (]) 12:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


== Transclusion ==
: The permission of the subject of an article is not required. You probably need to read Misplaced Pages's guidance on ]. - ] (]) 18:23, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
::If the page has been deleted, no one but administrators can see it, so "fixing" a deleted article is pretty pointless. (If it contained some REALLY bad personal stuff or your personal address/phone, it might qualify for ] so that even admins cannot see it. Follow the instructions there.) -- ] 18:41, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
:::Please do not go around blanking entire sections, like you did at ], or you will find yourself blocked. - ] (]) 18:45, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
::: The deleted page referred to by the OP may have been ]? - ] (]) 18:56, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
::::If that is the articel, it was deleted through ] on the grounds of lack of established ] and poor sources, and the article text looks as if it would require significant improvement to remain as an active article. Anyone who want to improve a PRODed article can ask at ] and it will usually be granted. ] ] 19:36, 18 November 2013 (UTC)


Is there a way to transclude pages cross-wiki? ] (]) 09:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
= November 19 =
:{{Re|Sangsangaplaz}} No, that's not possible. The only exception is that pages at Misplaced Pages can ]. -- ] (]) 09:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks. ] (]) 09:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


== Choice of a specific value from Wikidata ==
==alpha with spiritus lenis?==


Is there a way to chose a specific value when invoking from Wikidata? Lets say I have <nowiki>{{#property:P1843|from=Q206998}}</nowiki> and there are multiple values for that property. How do I chose exact one< ] (]) 09:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Where can I find the greek letter alpha with spiritus lenis please? Special characters do not contain this combined sign... Thanx! ] (]) 02:00, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


:@] General advice at ]. It gets very technical but to get the "preferred" value of "heath" in your case you would need to use something like <code><nowiki>{{#invoke:WikidataIB |getPreferredValue |P1843 |qid=Q206998 |fetchwikidata=ALL |onlysourced=false}}</nowiki></code>, using a ]. ] (]) 12:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:Selecting "Greek" in the drop-down box below the edit box gives various characters including ἀ and ἁ. They can also be made with <code>&amp;#7936;</code> and <code>&amp;#7937;</code>, or by copy-pasting them from somewhere. ] (]) 02:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


== Infobox image with casual outfit? ==
::thank you, but a) with "drop down box below the edit box" you seem to mean the drop down menu below "special characters"; there I can NOT find the desired sign... b) there seems to be a problem if you work on an android tablet: I can see only boxes here where you entered your letters... in the edit-mode; in the normal view-mode I see nothing... c) can you please say where you found the code for the signs you gave?! and how do I implement the code so that I see the desired combined (!) sign (alpha with the spiritus above it) in the normal mode? thanks! ] (]) 14:44, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


Hello. I am back on the Help Desk, working on the article ], with this question:
:::I don't know what Android users see but I wouldn't be surprised if they often have a more limited character set than typical PC users. If a character isn't in a character set then a program has to either ignore it or display something else, for example a box. I'm talking about below and not above the edit box. In a PC browser I see ] below the edit box. That's where I select "Greek". I use the external site http://rishida.net/tools/conversion/ for character conversions. If I copy-paste ἀ to the "Characters" field and click "Convert" then "Decimal NCRs" shows <code>&amp;#7936;</code>. ] (]) 20:36, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


The current infobox image depicts the subject wearing a somewhat casual (at least for some) outfit. Will the casuality of the outfit of the infobox image affect ] nomination? Because there are no other good alternatives on Wikimedia Commons...
::::thanks a lot indeed! I'm now working with my PC and - low and behold - I can see the alphas... poor android... and now I also found where you toogle to "greek", i.e. in the drop down box that reads initially "insert"... and indeed: the character-set shown there on android is much more limited than on a PC. and the unicode-converter is a useful thing! :-) --] (]) 21:06, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


Looking forward to a reply, thanks. Ramkarlo82 (] • ] • ]) 12:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
== Changing/Updating page name ==


:I don't see anything wrong with that image. There's nothing to worry about. And, TBH, I don't think it even matters at all. ] (]|]) 12:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
I am editing a page in which the organism named in the page name has been changed. In Edit mode I cannot change the main heading name.
:@] There is nothing in the criteria for featured articles at ] that would prevent that image being used. At present, the article is only rated as "C", so it has a long way to go. It would be standard practice to nominate it as a ] first. ] (]) 12:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


== Where can I find data on the circulation and citation rates of these journals? ==
The case in point: The organism ''Ommatoiulus moreletii'' has had a slight name change (to conform to rules of Zoological Nomenclature). The correct specific name is now ''moreleti'' (one 'i' has been dropped). How can I change this,please? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 02:00, 19 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:You have to move the page. See ]. ] (]) 02:22, 19 November 2013 (UTC) Hello everyone, where can I find data on circulation and citation rates of journals from ? ] (]) 12:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


== apostrophes in links - pipe or no? ==
::{{Done}}, page moved to ].--] (]) 15:41, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


Consider the sentence {{tpq|the plot was influenced by H. P. Lovecraft's work.}} On ] it was originally linked as {{tpq|<nowiki>]'s</nowiki>}} and I recently changed it to {{tpq|<nowiki>]</nowiki>}} in order to encompass the {{tpq|'s}} into the link, as I think the entire word should be linked, rather than leave unsightly (IMO) hanging non-linked text on the end of a bluelink.
== Husband lives after being diagnosed with Acinar Cell Carcinoma of the Pancreas ==


User ] reverted, saying that this shouldn't be done, the apostrophe is not to be linked. I've looked in as many MOS and Help articles as I can, and this doesn't seem to be covered. Plenty of pipe help, but nothing that covers apostrophes being included in a link or not. Both our arguments are based on the same premise - Rhain believes the link to be better and simpler to directly link to "H. P. Lovecraft" which is simpler from a source point of view, but I think it's better to pipe and make the visual aspect better for the reader, as covered by ] - {{tpq|Use piping to fit link text into prose}}. I think that precedent has been set for appending text to the link in that Wiki already does this - appending any regular text onto the end of a link automatically bluelinks the entire ]s text even though the link is for ] singular, just with an "s" on the end. This doesn't work for apostrophes, so a manual method can be used instead. ] (]) 13:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi there,
My husband at 37years was diagnosed with Acinar Cell Carcinoma of the Pancreas.
On the 3/11/2013 he turned 60years.
This tumor had evaded the duodenum and small bowel and encapsulated the main Aorta and two suspect places in the liver.
He refuses Chemo and Radiation at the time.
At the time of leaving hospital was given a 5% chance of living 1year and 1% chance of living 5years.
Told we would have a 1% chance of having any more children.
He beat both odds. Just thought this is good news for other patients.
He was Looked after by a Team headed by Professor Nathan Gray. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 05:10, 19 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Hi there, we are indeed very happy for your husband! However, this is not the right place to put it. This page is for queries about editing Misplaced Pages only. Sorry about that. ]<sup>(])</sup> 06:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


To clarify - should it be needed - I think the sentence "the ]s were ]'s" is better presented as "the ]s were ]" for the reader. ] (]) 14:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
== Photo change ==
:] says {{tq|'''Plurals and other derived names.''' {{xt|<code><nowiki>]s</nowiki></code>}} displays as {{xt|]s}}, and this is simpler and clearer than {{xt|<code><nowiki>]</nowiki></code>}}. Similarly: {{xt|<code><nowiki>]ing</nowiki></code>}}, {{xt|<code><nowiki>]ed</nowiki></code>}}, {{xt|<code><nowiki>]dest</nowiki></code>}}. Some characters do not work after the link; see ] for more details.}} Possessive is similar to plural. Its link to ] includes a possessive example, and the '''{{'}}s''' is outside of the wikilink brackets. ]&nbsp;] 15:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::I'd missed the possessive example in ], but ironically Rhain has already noted in his arguments that ''Help:Link'' is only a guideline, not a policy. ] (]) 16:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::] itself is a guideline, not a policy. ]&nbsp;] 17:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:If there are no clear policy, it would be left to editors' own discretion. In this case, it might be better to ditch 's and use a different wording, something like {{tpq|"the plot was influenced by the work of H. P. Lovecraft."}} ] (]) 15:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::I think I prefer this option, but I also still believe (and I've stated this on the talk page) that in the absence of MOS policy, each editor should be free to pursue their own interpretation, so long as it doesn't become disruptive or tendentious. ] (]) 16:42, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::But isn't you changing <q><nowiki>]</nowiki>'s</q> to <q><nowiki>]</nowiki></q> a case of you overriding the previous editor's "own interpretation"? ]&nbsp;] 17:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Yes, but that's true of pretty much any change and revert for the history of an article. The defining factor in that case would be how recent are the changes - in this case the previous editor's "own interpretation" was made in 2015 , so I'm hardly edit-warring on that count. If you want to go down that route, then isn't Rhain just as guilty of overriding my "own interpretation"? This is the problem when there is no clear MOS. Rhain has said that he thinks it unnecessary complication - so my proposal still stands that why doesn't he just not get involved? ] (]) 20:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I know, which is why I said "might be better", it's a personal suggestion in case a consensus can not be reached. ] (]) 17:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


== question re requests for templates at ] ==
Hi How can I change a photograph? I would like to put a much better and more relevant photograph on the PENMYNYDD page!
Thank you
Angharad <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 10:11, 19 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


:Where is the photograph you want to replace it with? And what is its copyright status? ] (]) 10:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC) hi. is there anyone here who watches the requests at ]? i have a template for a wikiproject, which i would like to modify. i appreciate any help. pls ping me if you reply. thanks! ] (]) 15:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


:It would seem the best place to raise that issue would be at ], and perhaps add a note also over at ] so they're also aware of the conversation. ]&thinsp;] 17:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:If it is a photo that you took, or where you are in contact with the copyright holder, you may upload it as long as the copyright holder agrees to licence it under a suitable licence: see ] for details of how to do this. If it is copyright and you are not in contact with the copyright holder (which is the case for most images on the web), then you may not upload it. For details on uploading, see ], and for using the uploaded photo in an article, see ]. --] (]) 14:30, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
::well, i am nominally in charge of both the wikiproject and the task force, so they are already fully briefed. {{smiley}} ] (]) 20:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


== Windows == == I've been framed! ==


Glancing at my contributions list a big red '''(&minus;4,881)''' catches my eye. What? All I remember doing to ] was capitalizing "romance languages" and "vulgar latin" in several places (which my summary reflects). I thought, did I perhaps wipe a section by accident? But that's not it, has various detailed changes that are outside my knowledge, as well as introducing at least three errors in spelling or punctuation.
In articles about windows OS such as vista, there is a box near the end showing the 'windows family' but the link to "Windows 9" links to something about NT which is confusing <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:26, 19 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


So what happened? Has this happened to you? ] (]) 22:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
: The link had been added to the template this morning, without explanation, & the target makes no mention of any "Windows 9", so I've reverted this mornming's change. Thanks for pointing it out. - ] (]) 11:48, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
:{{ping|Tamfang}} You probably clicked edit while viewing an old revision and made changes. All later edits are discarded when you edit an old revision. ] (]) 22:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


:That's a weird article. It's about a language. Its only references are in the lead section, despite recommedations that a lead should summarise the rest of the article and should not normally include references. It offers no evidence that anyone has ever used the language, even in a work of fiction. ] (]) 23:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
== Delivery certificate ==
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== Disturbing page ==
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I came across ] indicating plans for potential self-harm. Was not sure what to do. ] (]) 23:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
== Creating a New Article ==
:{{re|Packer1028}} see ]. The shortcut is ]. -] (]) 23:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)


= December 28 =
Morning All,

I work on behalf of two large Canadian insurance brands who are referenced several times throughout related Misplaced Pages pages but don't actually have articles of their own. These are both very well known companies but I don't want to create articles for them as my understanding is that it's against guidelines for someone affiliated with a company to create a page. Can I make a request here for someone else to write the article? Is it okay if I do it myself?

Of course it would be entirely non promotional. We could also provide all the facts/information needed in the same format of other non-promotional company pages.

Please let me know what the best way to proceed is.

Thanks! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Generally speaking (and especially at the moment, when paid editing is something of a hot topic among Wikipedians) adding an article about a company you work for or are affiliated with is very strongly discouraged. The best course of action would be to submit the two companies at ], so that an uninvolved editor can take a look at them and write the appropriate articles. ]&nbsp;]&zwj;] 15:36, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

:You seem to be aware of policies such as ] etc, so a reasonable way forward is to create an account, state your COI and intent on your userpage, and then suggest/create the article at ]. Success is not guaranteed, but if the companies are very well known it should be possible. Please keep asking questions as necessary, either here or at ]. Good luck! ] (]) 15:42, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

:Reading this might help: ] ] (]) 15:44, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

::Thanks so much for your reply - the companies are definitely very well known! Given that this is strongly discouraged would you recommend that I make the request rather than submit an article for consideration? I imagine Wikipedians enjoy creating content but don't want to put anyone out! How would ] differ from https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Business_and_economics/Companies in terms of where to submit an article suggestion? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

test <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 16:28, 19 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:::I´ll give you my opinion, which is just that. Wikipedians like to create content of our own choosing, so I think going via ] is less likely to accomplish something. Using ] and actually creating the article for consideration will probably give some result/response quicker. If you write a flowery ad it will not be accepted. Many Wikipedians (with good reason) might frown upon and be suspicious about what you write, but also reluctantly admit that at least in theory, an article created by you can be acceptable for inclusion, so it´s not actually FORBIDDEN that you try (I´m fairly certain I´m right about that). I hope this helps. ] (]) 17:05, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
:::By the way, I like the statement on your userpage. ] (]) 17:10, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
::::However, the user name does not comply with ] and will probably be blocked.--] (]) 19:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
{{od}} Basically, using ] is saying "here is an interesting subject, would someone please write an article on it for me?" while using ] says "Here is a draft of an article, would you please look it over and tell me if it is good enough, and perhaps help me improve it?" You see the difference? ] ] 17:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

== Edit ] page ==

I'm looking for help to improve the quality and balance of the information on the Law Society of Ireland page - ]
I've uploaded suggested content with references on the Talk page for review but have received no feedback in 2 months. Due to COI, as I work for the organisation, I haven't made these changes myself. Some feedback or direction would be greatly appreciated! Thanks.
] (]) 16:14, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

== Advertisement on TV ==

I felt the need to contact Kmart regarding the recently released TV Christmas ad of "Jingle Balls". I've never been as disgusted or grossed out in my life as when watching this advertisement. You should be ashamed of yourselves for degrading the traditional, well known and loved holiday song. I don't know what you were thinking when you released such a trashy display representing your business. I can only hope that you pull this ad immediately from anymore viewers and an apology to the general public would be highly recommended to restore the stores integrity.

Happy holidays,
Kathy Pelletier <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

: I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at ], the free online encyclopedia that ], and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Misplaced Pages itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a ], divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.{{z25}}<!-- Template:Astray --> - ] (]) 16:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

== New Misplaced Pages critic site ==

I am setting up a brand new Misplaced Pages critic site and I need permission to use your logos. The critic site will tell the public how Misplaced Pages is unreliable (by demonstrating how easy it is to edit) , link to articles with sexual images, etc. So for these purposes it will be highly appreciated if I could use the appropriate logos. Don't worry, all claims will be backed up with due evidence (plus we will store some screenshots should you decide to delete evidence). So, please allow us to do this...] (]) 17:42, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

:This page is for questions about how to use and edit Misplaced Pages – so it's not the right place for your question. I don't know what is the right place. However, may help. ] (]) 19:52, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

::That's the '''draft''' policy. The current policy is at: ].--] (]) 21:56, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

== Red user names ==

I know that red links are for pages that don't exist; however how is it some users have red user pages or talk pages, how do you disable those? ] (]) 18:50, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
:Well, simply speaking, those links are red because their user pages or user talk pages don't exist (yet). The way to "fix" that is by creating their user page or talk page, but I would strongly recommend that you do ''not'' create a user's talk page just to turn a red link blue, and ''definitely'' do not do it for their user page. If they want a redlinked (i.e. nonexistent) userpage, that's their choice. ]&nbsp;]] 18:53, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
::Or theoretically, since users can change the colors (as well as just about anything else) about their sig, they could make their sig so that it has proper links to their existing user page and talk page, but the color of those letters is in red). I don't think there is anything in policy against it, but it would be annoying.] (]) 18:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

== Mistake on John Huston page ==

In one place (early life) it says his first marriage lasted one year.

Further down (personal life?) it says it lasted 7 years.

Please pass this along to whoever. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:28, 19 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Thanks. I have changed the personal life section to say "This marriage ended after a year in 1926." ] (]) 20:50, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

:: says on page 38 they divorced in 1938 and seems to suggest Huston was 20 at the time of the marriage. So if that is correct the marriage lasted from 1926-1938, which makes 12 years. I can't confirm whether the second source really refers to the time of the marriage, as I can't get the Google Books snippet to scroll further down. -- ] ] 21:14, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

:::Hmm, I found many sources saying they married in 1924 or 1925 and divorced in 1926, but now I also find many sources saying they married in 1926 or 1927 and divorced in 1933. The latter sources look more reliable. Your first link says 1933 and not 1938. ] (]) 23:16, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


= November 20 =

== Songs of Praise ==

In the article on the BBC program Songs of Praise there is a section entitled Assailant: The family of murder victim Billy Barclay criticised the programme for allowing his killer Garry Brotherston to appear on the show. On the programme, Brotherston said that he had "found God" while serving 11 years for Barclay's murder, and has now released an album.

This contributes nothing to the article but has been added as a personal attack on Mr Brotherstone. The tragic events of a gang fight 20 years ago really have no bearing on Songs of Praise. Mr Brotherstone served 11 years in prison for his crime which he committed as a teenager. The family of the victim are of course deeply hurt by such events, but the attempt to continually harass Mr Brotherstone should not be pursued through Misplaced Pages <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::This Help Desk is for questions about how to edit Misplaced Pages. This is a reasonable place to ask how to address a content issue about ]. The answer is to discuss it on the article talk page, ]. ] (]) 03:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
:Misplaced Pages generally report events that are notable. If you think that this event is not sufficiently notable to be included into the article, you can use the talk page as was mentioned above. In this particular case mentioning this controversy especially in a separate section may not be justified indeed. ]_] 03:20, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
:::As the article was structured when you saw it, with a full stand alone section called "Assailant", it was not appropriate since it ]. I have changed the article to have a standard "Reception and impact" section that was missing, and included this incident amongst some of the other content of the same nature. Inclusion of the Brotherstone incident may still may be ] weight, or not, or it might be simply that we need to fill in more on the Reception and Impact since a program going for over 50 years has had more impact than is presently recorded in the article. -- ] 04:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
::::On second review, given the fact that it was sources to the Daily Record tabloid (wow!) removal on that ground alone would be appropriate. And a google news search revealed no other hits so it definitely appears to be an incident of little note, so I have moved it to the talk page pending better coverage. -- ] 12:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== Wiki Project ==

Hello, I am working on the article Eratosthenes and I really want to clean up my citations that are placed in the notes section. I want to combine the sources that are used through out the article. As of right now when I cite the citation adds yet another note although I had used the same source earlier. Is there anyway I could be able to make these come together? I need to cite throughout, but I do not want to the bibliography/notes section to be repetitive! Thank you] (]) 04:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
::I believe you can use ] for that. Cheers! ] ] 04:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
:I fixed one of them for you, to give you an example of how to do it. Unfortunately I screwed up on my first attempt, so you will see that it took me two edits to get it right. (Basically the trick is to give a "name" to a reference -- you can then repeat it by giving the same name.) ] (]) 04:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
::In the cite menu on the edit window there is a label entitled Named references and has a clipboard. If you click that it you get a drop down of all the named references to make it easier for you. When you are putting in the reference through the template you can provide the name as well. ] (]) 05:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
:(e/c)see ]. rather than the <nowiki><ref></nowiki> tag at the start of the citation use <nowiki><ref name="X"></nowiki> then whenever you want to cite using that source again, rather than the full ref, you just use <nowiki><ref name="X/"></nowiki> (note the close slash at the end)-- ] 05:38, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== Removal of Copyright Warning ==

I am having difficulty establishing copyright and licensing status for three images:
File:General layout of an advanced inflow steam engine.png
File:Uniflow Engine Section Details.png
File:Constant Diameter Cylinder and Piston.png

Dan Gelbart, author, assigned these diagrams to the free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" and GNU Free Documentation License. This authorization was sent on November 17, 2013 to permissions-en@wikimedia.org

However, a notice on the images states: "This file does not have information on its copyright and licensing status. Unless the copyright and licensing status is provided, the image will be deleted after Wednesday, 27 November 2013. Please remove this template if a correct copyright license tag has been added."

After Gelbart assigned the images to the Creative Commons, I re-uploaded the images, so they may be shown in the Misplaced Pages article Advanced Uniflow Steam Engine. I listed the images as Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported. I do not know how to add a '''correct copyright license tag'''. Can you help me? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:<s>if the images are on commons, you can just link directly to them, don't bother uploading them to Misplaced Pages.</s> I misread your comment.-- ] 05:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Since the images were previously deleted by Misplaced Pages editor Diannaa, I re-uploaded them after Gelbart assigned copyright to the commons. What do i do now to remove the copyright warning so the images will not be deleted again on 27 Nov? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::The owner of the copyright will need to follow the process outlined here ]. -- ] 12:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
The owner of the copyright, Dan Gelbart, DID send a message to permissions-en@wikimedia.org, assigning ownership of the images to the commons! However, Dan Gelbart is not a Misplaced Pages editor and asked me to post the images. Can you please confirm that the copyright issue is settled? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Where to ask for semi protection of the article? ==

One article needs to be semi protected urgently as perticular information is being added without reference again and again by different new IPs. Please help. May I request to kindly post the answer to my talk page? Thanks a lot in advance. The page which needs semi protection is this - https://en.wikipedia.org/Bachelor_of_Ayurveda,_Medicine_and_Surgery --] (]) 06:08, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
:]. <span style="font-family:monospace;">]</span>|] 06:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
:: Thanks a lot Dismas. --] (]) 06:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
:::You're welcome! <span style="font-family:monospace;">]</span>|] 08:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== My user name I need to change ==

I will not copy from my web site ever, however I would like to have my user name change from Manifest2014 to LaVoria Reese <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:19, 20 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Please see ]. ] (]) 06:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
::If you still want to change your username once you've read through that you can request a username change at ] by following the instructions there.] (]) 06:44, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== How do I save... ==

Hello, when I search for something like...Channing Tatum, how do I save the search or page for later review? I love to look stuff up but am not always able to read it all at one time but don't want to forget about it, can I make it a favorite or save it for later? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:41, 20 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:There are a couple things you could do.
:*You could bookmark the article like you would any other web page on the Internet.
:*You could create a Misplaced Pages Book. See ]
:*You could edit your ] to include a list of favorite articles.
:And though some people would possibly suggest adding the article to your ], that's normally just used for keeping track of what changes were made to the articles that you're watching and not generally used as a way to remember all your favorite articles.
:Hope this helps, <span style="font-family:monospace;">]</span>|] 08:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== RE: DonDonTheGreat ==
{{la|DonDonTheGreat}}

Hi, I am messaging you in regards to an article that I have posted on an artist that requested for me to add his info, including his bio and his latest album, which I have created a page about him as to add thte next page later. I took information from his facebook which is indentical to his website, but I can assure you that I have full consent from him to do so. I can also send you links, social network links etc. to back up that I myself own full copyright of the said album review/info. Please help me, it would be greatly appreciated, I am new to this and am just getting started, thankyou. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 09:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Your stating here that you have his consent to place the material here is not enough. Misplaced Pages will require proof that the owner of the copyright has released it so that it can be used. And as the material you have copied is anyway unacceptably promotional, it would be better to rewrite it – I have made a start on this. However, you have a bigger problem. The article as it is does nothing to demonstrate that its subject is notable, in Misplaced Pages's sense. Unless someone can change the article so that it demonstrates his notability, it will be deleted. See ] for guidance on how you might be able to do this. ] (]) 10:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== Referencing errors on Duane Bobick ==

''] help requested.''
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I tried to add a reference and ended up deleting the bulk of the text. I couldn't retrieve it. Can someone just return it to its previous txt?
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Thanks, ] (]) 09:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

:Fixed . <span style="font-family:monospace;">]</span>|] 09:41, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

==article draft==
{{cot}}
Guylain Gustave Moke MunscheMvula
Guylain Gustave Moke MunscheMvula, also known ‘’Gustave Moke’’ (born January, 19, 1976) is a Congolese born independent Journalist, Writer, Political Analyst, International Affairs blogger and Author of : ''The Political Game of the weakest Link ( Editions Nexus: 2007)'' and ''The World New Order of Apartheid: Africa ( Editions Xlibris 2009)''. Former Political editor of the Congolese Newspaper ‘’La Cloche’’ and member of the ‘’Congolese Journalists Association (1999).
He is the first Congolese born Journalist to have written more than 5, 000 articles with different media outlets: Allafrica.com, FT, FP, Le Potentiel, La Cloche, La Reference Plus, Le Figaro & Africatime.com. He has also written 4 unsuccessful books.

Life and Education

The son of underachieved Congolese Politician André Moke Mingoy, Gustave Moke was born in Kinshasa in 1976. He attended ‘’Saint Gabriél’’ Elementary School and ‘’Saint Pierre’’ Secondary School, in Kinshasa. He received a B.A in ‘’Linguistics and Philosophy from the ‘’Faculté Catholique de Kinshasa’’ (Catholics University in Kinshasa).

Career

He started his journalism career in 1999 with the ‘’AZAP’’ (Zaire News Agency), which is today ‘’ACP’’ (L’Agence Congolaise de Presse). In same year he joined ‘’La Cloche’’ Newspaper as political editor.
In 2001, Gustave Moke uncovered the case of the assassination of Laurent-Désiré Kabila, former President of the Democratic Republic of the Congo from May 17, 1997 to January 16, 2001 in a series of reports. He was reportedly detained for some of the revelations he published and disappeared.
After while, he reappeared with more revelations of the former Congolese President, Laurent Désiré Kabila’s assassination and the former President’s son, Joseph Kabila, the current President, corruption and nationality, through ‘’proxies writers’’. It is believed that Gustave Moke, was the source behind the revelations published by his mentor, former political editor of the Congolese Newspaper ‘’La Reference Plus’’, which led to his assassinations in 2006.
From exile, he published revelations, casting doubts over the President of Democratic Republic of Congo, Joseph Kabila, nationality and exposing the rampant corruption system in Dr-Congo, during the country 2011 presidential election, through his blogs: Guylainmokeworpress.com and Gustavemoke.blogspot.com and through the Congolese Opposition sites: dc-kin.net; democratiechretienne.org and diomindongala.wordpress.com.
Gustave Moke is one of the most vocal critics of Joseph Kabila’s regime.
References:
http://perspective.usherbrooke.ca/bilan/servlet/BMAnalyse?codeAnalyse=1602
http://www.ingeta.com/le-regime-de-j-kabila-mal-laise-face-a-la-pression-des-combattants/
http://grandkasai.canalblog.com/archives/2011/12/02/22863996.html
http://www.info-libye.com/article-20-octobre-la-mort-de-mouammar-kadhafi-mythe-ou-realite-86965861.html
http://printempsarabe.blog.lemonde.fr/2011/05/23/au-maroc-les-jeunes-du-20-fevrier-restent-mobilises/
http://democratiechretienne.org/2011/11/25/rdcpresidentielle-kabila-humilie-a-matadi-sa-campagne-a-battu-de-lair/
http://infoscongo.com-50 years after the independence the DRC is still searching for a free and prosperous press.
Articles
http://guylainmoke.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/congo-rdcphenomene-combattants-le-regime-de-j-kabila-mal-laise-face-a-la-pression-des-combattants/
http://guylainmoke.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/congo-rdcfin-de-campagne-joseph-kabila-lapide-hier-a-kinshasa-le-peuple-kinois-seleve-contre-lui/
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/dr-congo-failures-success-end-of-m23.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/congo-drc-presidential-un-accuses.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/dr-congo-joseph-kabilas-address-to-un.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/dr-congo-uns-ultimatum-to-m23-adf-rebels.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/dr-congo-obamas-waiver-child-soldier-ban.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/dr-congo-kinshasa-m23re-starting-peace.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/dr-congo-should-un-use-drones-to-take.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/dr-congo-stalematethe-farcical-m23.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/dr-congo-fall-of-goma-why-rwanda-backed.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/drc-congo-why-backroom-kampala-deal-is.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/africa-drcdr-congo-must-publish-deals.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/congodrc-un-new-report-conflict-and.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2011/12/congo-drcpresidential-joseph-kabila.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/congo-drc-minerals-smuggling-un-new.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/drc-congo-dan-gertler-and-joseph-kabila.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/drc-m23s-split-joseph-kabila-when.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/rwanda-rwanda-support-to-m23-eu.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2011/11/uganda-lra-un-condemns-lra-human-rights.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/africacorruption-when-west-corrupts.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/drc-congo-eastern-conflict-m23-and.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/drc-congo-eastern-conflict-m23-and.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/congordcun-says-150-women-raped-in-drc.html
http://gustavemoke.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/tunisia-political-paralysis.html

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Could someone please give some guidance on the correct citation parameters for reference 13 in this article. I have another six references to the same archive. Many thanks,
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I added <nowiki><ref name="lyceum">{{Citation |author=Allen Wright |publication-date=October 31, 1988 |title=Shakespeare sans taste: review of As you like it |publisher= ] |page= |url= http://special.lib.gla.ac.uk/sta/search/detaild.cfm?NID=&EID=9427&DID=38133&AID=|accessdate=4 November 2013}}</ref></nowiki> Also, notes can be placed under a Notes section ] and references can be placed under a reference section ]. Generally, you don't need to use quotes in references to verify your article sentence post.-- ] (]) 14:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

== Changing logo ==

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Do I have to wait 4 days for my account to be confirmed before I can change the new logo of the company, even though it is public (new website) that the current logo (on Misplaced Pages) is old?
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== How long does speedy deletion usually take? ==

I wanted to move the '']'' article to ] (per ]), but the redirect at Pōhutukawa prevented me from doing it. I added {{]}} to get the page deleted, but that has stopped the redirect from working properly (which has about 55 links to it). I'm not complaining at all, but it's been about 33 hours and I'm just curious how long these things usually take. Thanks. ] (]) 12:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
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    December 24

    Duplicative text on Help:Disambiguation?

    Hi. I think there is a superfluous paragraph at the end of Help:Disambiguation. I added this topic to the Talk page asking about it. The automated help text told me that this particular Talk page is "not watched by many users" and suggested asking my question here. So: Is there a superfluous paragraph at the end of Help:Disambiguation? If the last two paragraphs say the same thing, one should be eliminated; if not, one or both should be rewritten to clarify the point each is trying to make. Larrydberg (talk) 00:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    @Larrydberg: I guess Waddie96 meant to reformulate the existing paragraph in but forgot to remove the old version. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    I believe so. Apologies. I fixed the issue. waddie96 ★ (talk) 07:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    Assistance Required for Published Article Not Going Live

    Dear Misplaced Pages Help Desk,

    I hope this message finds you well. I published an article on India Semiconductor Mission (username - Display Ecosystem) in November, and it has not gone live yet. The article draft can be found at the following link:https://en.wikipedia.org/User:DisplayEcosystem

    I would like to understand the status of this article and whether there are any additional steps or issues preventing it from being moved to the live Misplaced Pages space. Your guidance on resolving this matter would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you for your time and assistance.

    Best regards, Sonali Jain DisplayEcosystem (talk) 05:26, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    It's because all of that content is on your Userpage. If you want to publish it completely then you should move it to a new space. However, I'd move that content to a draft and continue working on it since it still doesn't look ready to me. Should I move it to a draft so you can continue working on it? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:30, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Please guide me on further steps to make it live. It would be really great if you could provide me with your valuable feedbacks on page and it's content. DisplayEcosystem (talk) 05:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Yes sure, you can move it to draft so that I can publish it again. DisplayEcosystem (talk) 05:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Sure, I'll create a draft for you but please keep working on the content to make it better and then publish it. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:39, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    What do you want the title to be? Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 05:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    The article is all about "India Semiconductor Mission". DisplayEcosystem (talk) 05:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    I have left a message on your talk page. If you are employed at India Semiconductor Mission, you are considered a paid editor and should make a paid contribution disclosure as explained in the message. Please also see Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 05:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    I would like to clarify that I am not employed at India Semiconductor Mission. This page is being created for a government organization, which operates under the Ministry. Therefore, it should not be considered as a paid contribution.
    I kindly request your guidance on any further enhancements or adjustments required to meet Misplaced Pages's standards. DisplayEcosystem (talk) 06:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    You would also be a paid editor if you are employed or paid by the Ministry. For advice on your draft, it currently has no sources apart from external links. Misplaced Pages does not care about what India Semiconductor Mission or the Ministry says about itself. You need to find reliable sources that are independent of India Semiconductor Mission and base the article on what those sources say. If no such sources can be found, the organization probably does not satisfy Misplaced Pages's notability criteria. You can also read Help:Your first article for further advice. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Hello, @DisplayEcosystem.
    Editors who try to create an article before they have spent significant time learning how Misplaced Pages works often have a disappointing and frustrating task, because they have no idea what it takes to create a Misplaced Pages article. It's like trying to build a house when you have no knowledge of surveying, building, plumbing, electrical installation, etc. And it's even harder when you have a conflict of interest.
    My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Misplaced Pages works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft.
    Be aware that Misplaced Pages is basically not interested at all in what you know (whoever you are) or in what the subject of the article (or their associates) say or want to say. A Misplaced Pages article should be a summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject, and very little else. First find your sources (and make sure they are independent: see WP:42) then forget everything you know about the subject, and write a summary of what those sources say. ColinFine (talk) 12:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    I'm having problem with loging in😭😭😭😭😭😭

    I'm having problem with loging in😭😭😭😭😭😭 41.122.130.103 (talk) 17:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    What happens when you use Special:Login? ''']''' (talk • contribs) 17:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    Flag of Syria

    How can I change current Syrian flag in the page List of songs recorded by Zecchino d'Oro with the 1980-2024 version? 176.200.157.77 (talk) 17:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    This discussion might be helpful: Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Syrian_flag Schazjmd (talk) 17:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    George Washington

    It states in the Misplaced Pages, George Washington, political party - independent. I believe that to be incorrect and he was a member of the Whig. 2601:3C4:17C:3F0:64CC:8BE9:5A55:2B9E (talk) 19:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    If you wish to change it, you will need to provide a reliable source backing up your claim. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 20:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    In my knowledge he was never member of any political party.

    About "George Washington" , I verified if my knowledge were wrong and I confirm he was never member of a political party accorded to searches done. Anatole-berthe (talk) 21:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    George Washington was not a member of a political party, and he was opposed to the very idea of political parties, as he explained in George Washington's Farewell Address in 1796. His thoughts on that matter have been widely ignored ever since, and Abraham Lincoln, for example, was heavily involved in party politics. Cullen328 (talk) 04:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    Thanks @Cullen328 for the details about the matter. I did knew nothing about this letter.

    Anatole-berthe (talk) 04:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    Ahir cast surname add

    Ahir cast 1 gujrati sAhirurname add chhaida છૈડા 2409:4041:E4E:24F8:0:0:9D09:8B08 (talk) 21:54, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    This forum is only about "Misplaced Pages in English language" and not "Misplaced Pages in another language". Anatole-berthe (talk) 22:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    Are you asking to add something to Ahir or to Ahir clans? If so, the talk page of the relevant article is the best place to ask. But be aware that unless a reliable published source is found, information may not be added to Misplaced Pages articles. ColinFine (talk) 23:03, 24 December 2024 (UTC) 
    2600:1700:55B0:810:5C4F:E631:B09C:2AEE (talk) 22:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    Citing YouTube video is not allowed, what can I do?

    Hello all!

    I was revising a page about a TV drama and citing YouTube interviews of the actors which are rejected by the system. I ended up mentioning the year and program of the interviews, which got entirely removed by Rastinition, which I believe should be Misplaced Pages.

    What can I do? Not sure if it is a piece of information that will make a difference, the language I am amending is traditional Chinese. Cwcw12 (talk) 23:06, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

    If you are speaking about "Misplaced Pages in Chinese language". You're not on the right forum.
    This is the forum for "Misplaced Pages in English".

    The right forum is the next if you're talking about Misplaced Pages in Chinese language : https://zh.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%B1%82%E5%8A%A9 Anatole-berthe (talk) 23:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
    For the curious, these percent escaped unicode glyphs resolve to zh:維基百科:互助客棧/求助. This kind of inscrutable alpha­hexanumeric line noise is what is displayed in Firefox when attempting to see which Chinese Misplaced Pages page is being pointed to by {{ill}}. Folly Mox (talk) 13:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    On the English Misplaced Pages, the vast majority of YouTube videos are not acceptable as references. But not all are excluded. A YouTube video on the official channel of an established news outlet accepted as a reliable source is also presumed reliable. Cullen328 (talk) 04:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    December 25

    Wrong information about Roman emperor Augustus

    If Augustus was born in 63BC and died in AD14 he was 51 years old when he died. How come your Misplaced Pages lists his age 74 when he died. Please correct the information about Augustus’s age when he died in AD 14. 173.71.121.220 (talk) 00:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    You can make the change yourself and provide proper, reliable source to back up your claim. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 01:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    Where does it say 74? Augustus correctly says 75. BC means Before Christ. AD meand Anno Domini which is after Christ. There was no year 0 and he didn't reach his birthday in his year of death so he was 63-1+14-1 = 75. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:45, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    Adding crypto address for donations

    Why dont you add crypto donations? Its probable easier for peoplr to transfer from digital wallet 184.98.196.150 (talk) 01:12, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    We don't have anything to do with the donation process; please offer your suggestions to donate@wikimedia.org. 331dot (talk) 01:14, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    Adding to what 331dot said above, crypto donations were stopped following this global RfC, which you should read before making suggestions. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 04:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    Pending Changes duration

    Typically how long is Pending Changes turned on for individual articles? I ask because, assuming I'm interpreting the log correctly, Pending Changes has been turned on for the Henry David Thoreau article since 2017. Rockfang (talk) 07:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    It seems that Pending Changes status won't expired after a period of time. According to WP:PC, editors can make request for unprotection to remove PC. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 16:00, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    How do I change my monthly donation

    How do I change my monthly donation 208.84.130.4 (talk) 10:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    See donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    Nigel Pegram actor. When Google searching for my name, it says that I died. Trust me, I'm still happily alive. What can I do to rectify the situation please?

    Nigel Pegram actor. When Google searching for  my name, it says that I died. Trust me, I'm still happily alive. What can I do to rectify the situation please? Nigelpegram (talk) 13:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    If you are Nigel Pegram here, then fortunately you are still alive on Misplaced Pages. Unfortunately Misplaced Pages has no control over what external websites and search engines say, and you would have to find a way of contacting them directly.--♦IanMacM♦ 13:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    (ec) The article about you(Nigel Pegram) currently indicates you are alive, though in November it was edited to say you had died(this edit, even providing a source, though I know little about it). This was removed, but perhaps Google has not indexed this change.
    We can't help you with issues surrounding Google searches; you would need to contact Google or the sources that indicate you are deceased to ask them to issue corrections. 331dot (talk) 13:11, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Nigelpegram: The alleged death was copied from Misplaced Pages to Nigel Pegram (Q106264634) at our sister project Wikidata on 11 November 2024. It was removed from Misplaced Pages 16 November but not from Wikidata. I have now removed it. Google does not reveal sources for their data fields, only the text snippet at the start if it's from Misplaced Pages, so I cannot say whether it will have an effect later. Here is a stock reply for similar posts:
    Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Misplaced Pages" to indicate that particular text was copied from Misplaced Pages. An image and other text before or after the Misplaced Pages excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Misplaced Pages. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. The same feedback facility is also provided on Bing and some other search engines. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:02, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    False historical information

    I can’t seem to get any of the false historical information posted on this site to be removed / updated.

    How can we get this addressed in a quick manner? 108.41.112.201 (talk) 16:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    If you've tried to remove false information by being bold and doing it yourself, remember to either include a source or remove information without a source. Misplaced Pages works on verifiability, not truth - if a reliable source reports on an untrue fact, Misplaced Pages will host it as if it was true in most cases. Enough factual information is published to where running this way is more efficient than being a platform of original research. Departure– (talk) 16:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    Generally, the best way to address an inaccuracy in an article is to start on the article's talk page. If the "inaccuracy" is cited to a reliable source, you'd need to provide other reliable sources that counter it. Schazjmd (talk) 16:51, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    It's hard to give you a clear answer when you haven't told us what article you were trying to edit. But generally, if you tried to remove something and got reverted, this is for one of three reasons:
    1. . You removed something without explaining why in the edit summary, and an editor patrolling for vandalism mistook an unexplained removal for vandalism.
    2. . You removed information which was, or appeared to be, verified by a reliable source. You will need to address this, either by showing that the source does not verify the information or is not reliable; or by adducing other reliable sources which support your version.
    3. . You are working in a contentious topic, where different people have different views about what information is genuine and what is false.
    Whichever of these cases applies, you should open a discussion on the article's talk page, making sure to ping the editor(s) who reverted your edits - you can find who they were by looking at the article's history. ColinFine (talk) 20:46, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    Templates to cite journals, books, etc?

    Template:Cite IUCN Template:Make cite IUCN is fantastic. You basically just copy-paste unformatted information (author name, title, publisher, etc) and it formats them for you. Do we not have templates that can cite other sources? A template that cites journal articles would be particularly helpful. They often have numerous authors and, depending on the topic, dozens may need to be cited to write one complete article. Surtsicna (talk) 21:07, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    There is a Template:Cite journal specifically for citing journal articles. You can find some more citation templates at Template:Citation Style documentation/cs1. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:08, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    I remember coming across Template:London Gazette the other day and it functions somewhat similar to a citation template, maybe you can also find some templates you want at Category:Specific-source templates. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:13, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    Sorry, Tutwakhamoe, I meant Template:Make cite IUCN. That one fills the parameters automatically. Surtsicna (talk) 22:16, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    There's always https://citer.toolforge.org/ for URLs, ISBNs, DOIs, PMID, PMCID, and OCLC. Schazjmd (talk) 22:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
    Schazjmd... that does exactly the trick! Wonderful. Thanks <3 Surtsicna (talk) 00:27, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Surtsicna There is also the WP:Citation expander, which you can install so that it is available as part of the source editor. It does an excellent job on digital object identifiers in particular, with slightly less white space than the toolforge tool gives. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:03, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

    Question about an edit from 2 years ago

    So i was digging around and i realized that 2 years ago someone(that is currently blocked from wikipedia) edited the article about "Rap God", particularly in the critical reception part where it went from "the song recieved critical acclaim" to "the song received mixed reviews" even tho it currently doesnt display it due to this being so long ago.

    before: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Rap_God&oldid=1072529929

    after: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Rap_God&oldid=1075188916

    Im pretty new to editing and contributing so i apologise, but what ended up changing because it seems that it was still acclaimed/praised by critics?(Kory Grow from Rolling Stone, Jim Farber from Daily New, and Nick Hill from Contact Music among others) Elijahjb306 (talk) 23:40, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

    Hi @Elijahjb306. Since the editor who changed it is blocked, we can't ask why they made that edit, but neither wording ("critical acclaim" or "mixed reviews") is in the article now. The reception section simply summarizes the reviews and lets the reader make up their own minds. Schazjmd (talk) 00:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
    Ah I see that makes sense, noted. I was just wondering so thank you for the response Elijahjb306 (talk) 09:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

    December 26

    Newly created article with another title

    I recently created Flamingo Boy, a 2018 British children's novel written by Michael Morpurgo. A year later it was published in the states by Macmillan Publishing under the title The Day the World Stopped Turning, which is currently a redirect to Music Played by Humans, due to a single on that album having that name. However, the top search result from Google for "The Day the World Stopped Turning" is from Amazon books (Michael Morpurgo), and the fourth and fifth search results on the first page from Google are from Macmillan Publishing and GoodReads for the book. The single from the album is listed as the eight search result. I wanted to create a redirect for the American book title, but I don't just want to hijack that redirect page. Any advice on what to do, if anything, or should I just not worry about it. Thanks. Isaidnoway (talk) 10:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

    @Isaidnoway The usual procedure in such cases would be to turn the redirect page into a Misplaced Pages:Disambiguation page. Read that page for instructions or come back here if you need more help. Shantavira| 10:09, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
    Definitely looks ripe for a DAB. There is also a song by that name on Stackridge's A Victory for Common Sense, a song by that name by Philip Springer as recorded on Johnny Hartman's The Voice That Is!, and a book by Michael Morpurgo. DMacks (talk) 17:58, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
    I DABified it. DMacks (talk) 18:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Unknown parameter

    Sabancaya has an unknown parameter "|1=" somewhere but I can't find it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:42, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

    I've made a change. How's that? Lee Vilenski 11:45, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
    Thx. Source formatting can make my eyes glaze over. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:49, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
    No problem. |1= just means that there is a null parameter. Either |text or ||. Easy to miss. Lee Vilenski 12:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

    Image and navbox

    The topmost image in the Donald Trump article on the left is of him in his military academy jacket from youth on the left side, however, the image is printing out in a section below the one where it has been edited into the article. This seems to be a navbox/infobox conflict issue, but it seems that there should be a way to cause the image to appear where it is intended to be placed during regular editing. How does one keep the image in place in spite of apparent navbox conflicts? ErnestKrause (talk) 15:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

    @ErnestKrause: I used Template:Stack. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:26, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
    It worked like a charm. Nice editing. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    I don't understand the point of MOS:CITELEAD

    The reason why I don't understand the point of MOS:CITELEAD, is because it's supposed to act as a guideline to not use citations in the lead if the information they would like to source is not mentioned in the body. It says on the article, "Because the lead usually repeats information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead with the desire to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material." What I see is editors, including myself (I have just realised as going over the guideline), they put into the lead what was not mentioned in the body. For example, copyediting from another article and or from an infobox if on the page. Most editors don't know this and just add whatever. We all want editors to follow Misplaced Pages's guidelines, right? So maybe the administrators should maybe do something or someone of a higher rank should do something about this guideline? FeistyRooster (talk) 22:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

    Your first sentence seems to be backwards: if the source is not mentioned in the body , it should be cited in the lead. But as I understand it, there should not normally be any information in the lead which is not in the body (forther up the same page: "Apart from basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article.")
    As to your last sentence: there is no "someone of a higher rank", and admins as admins have no part in setting policy (though they may be called upon to perform administrative tasks like closing discussion). If you want to open a discussion, you're as qualified to do so as anybody - either at the talk page of the relevant guideline, or at one of the departments of the village pump. ColinFine (talk) 23:04, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
    Thanks FeistyRooster (talk) 23:15, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

    December 27

    Citation format for interviews - citing interviewer

    Hi all -- quick question about citation/quote formatting. Appreciate any insights!

    I'm using an interview of a subject of an article (Sam Gilliam) as a citation for a fact about an exhibition Gilliam held in New York in 1968. I am not using one of Gilliam's answers in the interview as the source for this detail, but rather one of the interviewer's statements. The interviewer gives details about a work from that 1968 exhibition. Is there a way to properly format an interview citation to show that I'm citing the interviewer rather than the subject, and is it in general OK to use an interview source like this, with the interviewer as the actual source of the information? And relatedly, would it be "correct" to include a bracketed statement of who is speaking if I were to include a quote from the source in the citation? Here's what I'm looking to cite/how I think it would be formatted (quote would probably be shorter), as both a long citation and harvp with a quote:

    -Section of article -

    • Detail about the exhibition

    -Citations-

    1. Gilliam (2019), : "Another situation you responded to with interesting results was your first one-person show in New York at the Byron Gallery, in 1968. You were presented with a 30 foot wall, so you decided to make a 30 foot painting with the playful title Sock-It-To-Me. Shockingly, the gallerist turned the lights off at the opening because he was angry at your thinking-on-your feet gesture of installing what he deemed to be unsaleable work."

    -References-

    (I did some major clean-up on the Sam Gilliam article a while back before I really understood the nuances of citing interviews, doing some patching now to add in secondary sources to the few places where I accidentally used an interview as a sole citation.) 19h00s (talk) 02:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Small question

    How do I see my edit count to articles only? Is there a script for this? TNM101 (chat) 06:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    @TNM101 there's a simpler way: go to Special:Contributions/TNM101, expand the "Search for contributions" menu, and select the "(article)" namespace. ''']''' (talk • contribs) 06:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    Alright thanks a lot TNM101 (chat) 06:53, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    I have done as you said, but it seems like it doesn't show the number of edits, which is what I need TNM101 (chat) 07:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    Go to Special:Contributions/TNM101, scroll down to the bottom, and select "Edit count" from the links there. Then scroll down to the "Namespace Totals". -- John of Reading (talk) 09:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    Thank you TNM101 (chat) 12:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Transclusion

    Is there a way to transclude pages cross-wiki? Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 09:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    @Sangsangaplaz: No, that's not possible. The only exception is that pages at Misplaced Pages can pick up values from Wikidata. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    Thanks. Sangsangaplaz (Talk to me! I'm willing to help) 09:14, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Choice of a specific value from Wikidata

    Is there a way to chose a specific value when invoking from Wikidata? Lets say I have {{#property:P1843|from=Q206998}} and there are multiple values for that property. How do I chose exact one< Juandev (talk) 09:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    @Juandev General advice at WP:Wikidata#Inserting_Wikidata_values_into_Wikipedia_articles. It gets very technical but to get the "preferred" value of "heath" in your case you would need to use something like {{#invoke:WikidataIB |getPreferredValue |P1843 |qid=Q206998 |fetchwikidata=ALL |onlysourced=false}}, using a Lua module. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Infobox image with casual outfit?

    Hello. I am back on the Help Desk, working on the article Glaiza de Castro, with this question:

    The current infobox image depicts the subject wearing a somewhat casual (at least for some) outfit. Will the casuality of the outfit of the infobox image affect FA nomination? Because there are no other good alternatives on Wikimedia Commons...

    Looking forward to a reply, thanks. Ramkarlo82 (V • T • C) 12:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    I don't see anything wrong with that image. There's nothing to worry about. And, TBH, I don't think it even matters at all. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 12:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    @Ramkarlo82 There is nothing in the criteria for featured articles at WP:FACR that would prevent that image being used. At present, the article is only rated as "C", so it has a long way to go. It would be standard practice to nominate it as a good article first. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Where can I find data on the circulation and citation rates of these journals?

    Hello everyone, where can I find data on circulation and citation rates of journals from this list? Vyacheslav84 (talk) 12:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    apostrophes in links - pipe or no?

    Consider the sentence the plot was influenced by H. P. Lovecraft's work. On The Staff of Karnath it was originally linked as ]'s and I recently changed it to ] in order to encompass the 's into the link, as I think the entire word should be linked, rather than leave unsightly (IMO) hanging non-linked text on the end of a bluelink.

    User Rhain reverted, saying that this shouldn't be done, the apostrophe is not to be linked. I've looked in as many MOS and Help articles as I can, and this doesn't seem to be covered. Plenty of pipe help, but nothing that covers apostrophes being included in a link or not. Both our arguments are based on the same premise - Rhain believes the link to be better and simpler to directly link to "H. P. Lovecraft" which is simpler from a source point of view, but I think it's better to pipe and make the visual aspect better for the reader, as covered by Misplaced Pages:Linking dos and don'ts - Use piping to fit link text into prose. I think that precedent has been set for appending text to the link in that Wiki already does this - appending any regular text onto the end of a link automatically bluelinks the entire cheeses text even though the link is for cheese singular, just with an "s" on the end. This doesn't work for apostrophes, so a manual method can be used instead. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:57, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    To clarify - should it be needed - I think the sentence "the cheeses were Richard Cheese's" is better presented as "the cheeses were Richard Cheese's" for the reader. Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    MOS:PIPESTYLE says Plurals and other derived names. ]s displays as apples, and this is simpler and clearer than ]. Similarly: ]ing, ]ed, ]dest. Some characters do not work after the link; see Help:Link for more details. Possessive is similar to plural. Its link to H:WIKILINK includes a possessive example, and the 's is outside of the wikilink brackets. Schazjmd (talk) 15:39, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    I'd missed the possessive example in H:WIKILINK, but ironically Rhain has already noted in his arguments that Help:Link is only a guideline, not a policy. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    WP:MOS itself is a guideline, not a policy. Schazjmd (talk) 17:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    If there are no clear policy, it would be left to editors' own discretion. In this case, it might be better to ditch 's and use a different wording, something like "the plot was influenced by the work of H. P. Lovecraft." Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:48, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    I think I prefer this option, but I also still believe (and I've stated this on the talk page) that in the absence of MOS policy, each editor should be free to pursue their own interpretation, so long as it doesn't become disruptive or tendentious. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:42, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    But isn't you changing ]'s to ] a case of you overriding the previous editor's "own interpretation"? Schazjmd (talk) 17:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    Yes, but that's true of pretty much any change and revert for the history of an article. The defining factor in that case would be how recent are the changes - in this case the previous editor's "own interpretation" was made in 2015 here, so I'm hardly edit-warring on that count. If you want to go down that route, then isn't Rhain just as guilty of overriding my "own interpretation"? This is the problem when there is no clear MOS. Rhain has said that he thinks it unnecessary complication - so my proposal still stands that why doesn't he just not get involved? Chaheel Riens (talk) 20:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    I know, which is why I said "might be better", it's a personal suggestion in case a consensus can not be reached. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 17:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    question re requests for templates at Misplaced Pages:Requested templates

    hi. is there anyone here who watches the requests at Misplaced Pages:Requested templates? i have a template for a wikiproject, which i would like to modify. i appreciate any help. pls ping me if you reply. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 15:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    It would seem the best place to raise that issue would be at Template talk:WikiProject History, and perhaps add a note also over at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject History/Task forces/Modern and Contemporary history task force so they're also aware of the conversation. TiggerJay (talk) 17:43, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    well, i am nominally in charge of both the wikiproject and the task force, so they are already fully briefed. Sm8900 (talk) 20:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    I've been framed!

    Glancing at my contributions list a big red (−4,881) catches my eye. What? All I remember doing to Neolatino Romance was capitalizing "romance languages" and "vulgar latin" in several places (which my summary reflects). I thought, did I perhaps wipe a section by accident? But that's not it, this edit has various detailed changes that are outside my knowledge, as well as introducing at least three errors in spelling or punctuation.

    So what happened? Has this happened to you? —Tamfang (talk) 22:11, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    @Tamfang: You probably clicked edit while viewing an old revision and made these changes. All later edits are discarded when you edit an old revision. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:35, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
    That's a weird article. It's about a language. Its only references are in the lead section, despite recommedations that a lead should summarise the rest of the article and should not normally include references. It offers no evidence that anyone has ever used the language, even in a work of fiction. Maproom (talk) 23:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    Disturbing page

    I came across this user's page indicating plans for potential self-harm. Was not sure what to do. Packer1028 (talk) 23:20, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

    @Packer1028: see Misplaced Pages:Responding to threats of harm. The shortcut is WP:SOS. -Arch dude (talk) 23:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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