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== Expert needed: ] ==
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This newly mainspaced relatively extensive article deals significantly with the Tetragrammaton, a Hebrew theonym, covered in its own article, and verifiability, dueness, neutrality of content needs to be reviewed by editors with relevant knowledge. The article could have elements of a ]. Please take a look at the content to see if there are any major issues. The talk page discussion is at ]. Thank you—] 12:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
This may seem a little like the four sixteen year olds who think that finding a good name for their band is the key to success, but I started thinking about the right iconography for our participant template. The Magen David is already "taken" by the Wikiproject on Judaism, so I have some options for discussion. It seems to me that we should find an image that is characteristically Jewish but has more to do with history than religion. Here are some ideas - feel free to add:
* A dreidel
* A (seven armed) menorah
* A mezuzah holder
* A Hebrew character, probably an Alef, though perhaps Chet-Yod (Chai, "life") might be uplifting
* A scroll


== Discussion about naming of "History of the Jews in ___" articles ==
I'm partial to the Chai, as it reflects vitality, surely the most important characteristic of Jewish history. --] 11:53, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


I have started a discussion disputing the moves at ], ], ] at ]. Thank you, ] (]) 21:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
: I like the chai idea myself. ] ] ] 13:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
*'''NOTE:''' The original discussion at ] has been moved to ] where the previous discussion continues. Thank you, ] (]) 17:15, 1 November 2024 (UTC)


== ]'s GA review ==
:: from a historical perspective the menorah is more of a symbol of the Jewish people. In fact when archeologists find a magen david their first thought is that the site is fake. This is why on ancient coin you see many menorot but no magen davids. ] 19:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi! I have nominate Mordechai Schlein for GA, he was a kid involved in partisan activities during WWII. Anyone is more than welcome to review it! Thanks. '''<span style="font-family:Sergio print;">The ] Rider</span>''' 23:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
::: <big>'''חי'''</big> would be lovely. Alternatively, we could use this ] famous "clover leaf" map of the world with center in Jerusalem. ←] <sup>]</sup> 23:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


== Articles about types of Jews as well as their histories ==
:::I don't feel strongly either way; my only concern about the Menorah is that it has a strong religious connotation - in fact, I would have preferred it rather than the Magen David in the Judaism wikiproject, but that issue is resolved. I think the clover leaf map is awesome and has just the right element of chutzpah to fill me with a little bit of glee. So, how should we decide? --] 23:36, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


Please see the discussion at ]. Thank you, ] (]) 20:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:::: Hey, why not choose Chutzpa? A couple of arguments for the map: it is a map of the world (signifying the series ''History of the Jews in ...'' ), with center in Jerusalem. Its icon was adopted by . ←] <sup>]</sup> 23:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

::::: Done. And it looks pretty groovy. --] 23:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::: Great! ←] <sup>]</sup> 00:05, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I removed the Jewish-Christian category because it's religious. I was thinking it would be good to steer this project away from religion, but please feel free to revert me. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 01:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

: Completely agree. While I sifted through the Cats, I found that we have ] and ]. Thoughts? ←] <sup>]</sup> 01:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree that map looks pretty cool, but I was under the impression it was made and used by the Christian world, so it seems like it is only partially related to Judaism. Am I wrong?- ] | ] 12:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

: No idea who used it, it seems unusable as a map. My POV: to me, Jerusalem as the center of the world is the most important here. If uses its outline as their logo, it works for me as well. Feel free to make a better offer, we can even decide to combine a couple of icons. ←] <sup>]</sup> 19:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

::I didn't really mean they used it as a map or anything, I meant that it was mainly a Christian Medieval practice of including Jerusalem at the center of all maps.- ] | ] 01:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

::: I'm open for anything better. ←] <sup>]</sup> 05:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

::::I think I'm actually fine with anything, I don't even know why I even argued.- ] | ] 07:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

:::Moshe, I believe you are correct. Given the orgin (time and judenrein place) of the woodcut, one can easily conclude that it was made by antisemites for antisemites. I pointed out as much ] last month. Please read it. I think it's as appropriate a logo for this project as the Palestinian Authority logo would be for the Israel project. Of course, this is just my opinion. What's yours?] 19:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

:::: Did you see the JCPA logo? In general, I am against retreating every time we meet (or suspect) antisemities. Why should they own our symbols? Anyway, here's an alternative

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Feel free to replace if you like it. ←] <sup>]</sup> 09:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

::::Humus, there is no retreat. The Woodcut made by and for Christian Antisemites would be a great art object logo for Christian History. Admittedly, it's a small point, but Jerusalem is important to Christians too and has an entirely different meaning than to Jews. See ] This is no more a retreat than refusing to call The Torah the Old Testament. It seems what you call not retreating, I call assimilating. Perhaps you can find a map of Jerusalem that relates to Jewish History rather than Christian History. Yes, I Did see the JCPA logo. Interesting, huh? ] 05:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

::::: OK, since ] seems less controversial, I took the liberty to switch the template image. ←] <sup>]</sup> 09:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::Thanks Humus. Of the options I've seen, I agree that it's best.] 07:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

== Hasidic history artciles on AFD ==
Many articles, particularly on Hasidic rebbes have been proposed for deletion by ]. See ]. ] ] 12:23, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Why PZFUN chose to discredit himself by going after those 36 rabbis (coincindence with lamed vav?) is beyond me. --] 23:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

== all Jewish summer camps on AFD ==
Can anyone tell me if wp isn't otherwise lenient on parochial enitities like the entire content of ] he wants deleted? Should the camps he nominated for afd be relegated to a 'list of'? I disagree. --] 23:19, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

== Dual Jewish History/Judaism wikiproject userbox ==

Is anyone opposed to creating a userbox that says something like "This user is is a member of the Judaism/Jewish History Wikiproject"?- ] | ] 07:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

: Note that there is also ]. ←] <sup>]</sup> 22:47, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

== Query on voting (''was: Introducing myself...'' )==

I've done some lite editing of the article noted above, ''']''' -- though as I haven't anything substantive to add at present, it remains '''in need of attention'''. <br>
This is my modest offering by way of introducing myself to the ]... ] 15:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
: Welcome, feel yourself at home! Please review the announcements above and consider voting. ←] <sup>]</sup> 20:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::Thanks! For affiliation's sake (and as a handy link), I've added the ] userbox to my User Page :-)
::] topics will continue to be my main focus, but others in this Project will no doubt come in time.

::As I'm a rookie at Misplaced Pages editing, I find the prospect of '''voting''' a bit daunting -- though I'm certainly willing to participate and exercise my good judgment. How might you suggest I familiarize myself with the process? (e.g. guidelines, previous examples, etc.) ] 05:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
::: Ignore if this feels overwhelming. I meant ] at the top of this page. ←] <sup>]</sup> 08:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::Gotcha -- thanks. <br>
::As it happens, the particular pair of articles noted there now are terms in the contemporary Israeli lexicon that are particular bêtes noires of mine, as an editor and human rights activist. Having glanced at the discussion, I'm giving some hard thought about what, if anything, I may have to contribute there. :-/ <br>
:: ''] 16:21, 2 June 2006 (UTC)''

==Nominations for v0.5==

Let's think of other important well written articles worthy of ]. The ] is a good starting point. ←] <sup>]</sup> 20:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

==Concentration camp Theresienstadt ==
Regarding ], I've raised some issues about the article's name and the language used therein ('']'' vs. '']'').<br>
Would appreciate your input on the discussion page there. ''Thanks, ] 05:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)''

== Sorting stubs (in List of...): bio or not? ==

I've just discovered the "List of " Jewish history and biography stubs. These are indeed handy tools for me, as I'm seeking articles for expansion in my subject fields of expertise (] and ]).

Am just wondering, though: were these lists created by manual insertion of the topics? It seems to me that quite a few individuals' names appear in the "history" list rather than the "bio"... and if this isn't due to some factors I fail to appreciate, might it be worthwhile to move them, for the sake of enhanced utility let alone consistency?

NB: I did note that what's called the "''Jewish'' biography" stubs list is for ''"people notable in connection with ]"'' . If that wording is to indicate the Jewish ''religion'' in particular, rather than Jewish history in general (i.e. the other list of stubs), I wouldn't have expected to find ] there. Essentially, ''I don't get it! :-/''

If this is simply a matter of reviewing the two lists and manually placing '''people > bios''', '''all other topics > history''', I'll volunteer to undertake the task -- but shall wait for feedback here lest I tamper inadvertently with an existing mechanism as yet unfamiliar to me. <br>
'':-) ] 19:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)''

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Expert needed: Gerard Gertoux

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Discussion about naming of "History of the Jews in ___" articles

I have started a discussion disputing the moves at History of the Jews in Madagascar, History of the Jews in Taiwan, History of the Jews in Hong Kong at Misplaced Pages:Requested moves/Technical requests#Contested technical requests. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 21:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

Mordechai Schlein's GA review

Hi! I have nominate Mordechai Schlein for GA, he was a kid involved in partisan activities during WWII. Anyone is more than welcome to review it! Thanks. The Blue Rider 23:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles about types of Jews as well as their histories

Please see the discussion at Talk:Georgian Jews#Requested move 12 November 2024. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 20:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

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