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If you continue removing sourced criticism despite repeated reverts from other editors, I will ask an uninvolved admin to block you at ]. ] (]) 02:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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: Some of your changes weren't as bad as I thought – I saw massive swathes of content vanishing from the article, as when you previously removed all mention of the various scams. Some of your edits were actually removing unsourced content, which I shouldn't have reverted. So, for that, I apologize for being too hasty (and clearly not reading the diffs well enough). Still, you need to stop edit warring to remove sourced content from that article. Hold an ], raise the issue at ], or do something else to establish consensus. Showing up every few weeks to blank sections is disruptive. ] (]) 03:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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:: Whitewashing is a pretty serious charge. The difference between my version and yours is two paragraphs - in your version you re-added the following but changed nothing else:
Show me a PR person who is 'accurate' and 'truthful,' and I'll show you a PR person who is unemployed.<br>
:::”One example was the Who's Who Among American High School Students which was criticized for questionable nomination practices as well as whether the listing's entries are fact-checked and accurate. According to the admissions vice president of Hamline University, "It's honestly something that an admissions officer typically wouldn't consider or wouldn't play into an admissions decision," adding that "Who's Who... is just trying to sell books".
"The reason companies or governments hire oodles of PR people is because PR people are trained to be slickly untruthful or half-truthful. Misinformation and disinformation are the coin of the realm ..." ''from''
:::Who's Who publications are not all of questionable value, but publishers that select truly notable people and provide trustworthy information on them are hard to identify. A & C Black's Who's Who is the canonical example of a legitimate Who's Who reference work, being the first to use the name and establish the approach in print, publishing annually since 1849. However, the longevity of a publication is not in itself a guarantee. In 1999 Tucker Carlson said in Forbes magazine that Marquis Who's Who, founded in 1898 but no longer an independent company, had adopted practices of address harvesting as a revenue stream, undermining its claim to legitimacy as a reference work listing people of merit.”
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::The example of a high school scam comes from low quality sources: and I left it out of my version for that reason, and because this is a short, list-style article, thought mentioning every single instance there was a printed complaint about some version of a “who’s who” wasn’t necessary. I don’t think you can call this whitewashing when I’ve already addressed the scams in the Lede and body in a way you yourself found (nearly) sufficient.
::The second paragraph you re-added was from ], known as a conspiracy theorist and to my knowledge, not allowed on WP as a source. My removal of Carlson is not whitewashing to my knowledge, but perhaps I’ll check with the RS notice board to make sure.
::Your paragraphs also make me wonder about the author, as they seem less reliant upon RS and sound very editorialized. The quotes selected are not neutral, considering how Carlson’s statement in my initial comment above wasn’t included whilst it would give the reader much better context. (“ “There are cases-- '''relatively few''' in our judgment--of individuals with decidedly modest vocational achievement being included in the Who's Who volumes.”)


::“Whitewashing” should be reserved for describing the removal of negative content. What I’ve done is to try and present the facts in a balanced way. was what I was trying to clean up - and my is nearly identical to the present one, so how am I the problem? <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 14:38, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


== Precious anniversary ==
== Health consequences article ==
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:Dear {{u|Gerda Arendt|Gerda}}, such a jewel you are. Thank you <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 14:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
::Minor correction, though ~ <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 15:01, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


== Barnstar Awarded! ==
As you may know I've been working on this article and Core has offered to help. I'm still in the process of gathering information...and my thoughts. I was thinking that it should have a substantial section on Corexit since every source I've read so far mentions its use as one of the important unknowns. The GAP report contains a great deal of information and looking at its wikipedia article, it should certainly be considered a good RS source. Reading the report has been on my list of things to do but right now I am going through old news reports to see if there is anything that would be good for the article. However you are very familiar with Corexit already and would perhaps be willing to work on that section? ] (]) 20:55, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
: The request makes sense, it seems like it would be faster and easier for me to do the section, but due to some good luck, I am too busy in my offline life to make any commitments here. I can dip my toe in once and a while, but not more. However, I did all the work already, in the ] section. Don't be intimidated by the GAP report, the review article from which I quoted heavily did all the work for us (see linked section - be sure to uncollapse, especially the bottom part, which is specific to health concerns) The only thing needed is to distill the info and plug it into related articles (4 come to mind - for one of them, you will have to get a court order to add this info, and good luck finding an honest judge!).
: Maybe it makes more sense with our busy lives to work on this together and let it happen organically. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 00:49, 20 July 2013 (UTC)


The section move to archives, so I'll repeat it here:
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{{u|JusDaFax}} What an honor, thank you, mon ami. Let me know if I can help in any way on environmental articles. I’m quite out of the loop, so please feel free to offer some guidance. It would be wonderful to work with you again. <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 01:13, 28 June 2022 (UTC) {{u|Jusdafax}}
:Welcome back! &#8213;]&nbsp;] 13:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
::Hi Buster! Thank you so much. How are things? Hot and steamy here, but the morning glories are finally blooming. Any word from our dear friends? <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 23:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)


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Here is most of the Corexit story. It is a pre-draft draft that needs a lot of work. None of this is in my own words, but I wanted to get this out of my files and onto this page in case someone wanted to help build this section, which probably fits better under the "Environmental record" or perhaps "Safety and health violations" than under the Gulf spill, since we are only allotted 2 paragraphs. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8;">]]]</span>''' 23:50, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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Conclusions from the report strongly suggest that the dispersant Corexit was widely applied in the aftermath of the Deepwater Horizon explosion because it caused the false impression that the oil disappeared. In reality, the oil/Corexit mixture became less visible, yet much more toxic than the oil alone. Nonetheless, indications are that both BP and the government were pleased with what Corexit accomplished.


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== Discussion re-opened ==
From the GAP report, "evidence suggests that the cleanup effort has been more destructive to human health and the environment than the spill itself."


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BP lied about the size of the oil disaster and the danger posed to its workers, the public and the environment. Lying to Congress about the amount of oil was one of 14felonies to which BP pleaded guilty last year in a legal settlement with US DOJ, which included a 4.5 Billion fine, the largest ever levied against a corp in the US. BP hid the amount of oil from cameras by using oil dispersant Corexit. BP lied about how safe Corexit was for workers, residents and the environment. An anonymous whistle-blower provided evidence revealed in a Newsweek investigation that BP was warned in advance about the safety risks of Corexit. // whistleblowers revealed to the independent Government Accountability Project (GAP) that Nalco had given elaborate instructions to BP about using Corexit and avoiding contact with human clean-up workers — instructions that were clearly ignored during the spring of 2010.


BP used at least 1.84 million gallons, the largest use of such chemicals in U.S. history. BP sprayed Corexit directly at the wellhead spewing oil from the bottom of the gulf, even though no one had ever tried spraying it below the water's surface before. BP also used more of the dispersant than had been used in any previous oil spill, 1.8 million gallons, to try to break up the oil. 58% was sprayed from planes, sometimes hitting cleanup workers in the face. Workers were denied safety gear and (their jobs threatened for wearing respirators). Soon after the Deepwater explosion, BP stockpiled 1/3rd of the world's supply of Corexit


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In May 2010, the EPA told BP to identify less toxic alternatives from a list of government-approved dispersants. If BP could not identify an alternative, it had to offer concrete reasons why not. The company replied that less-toxic dispersants were not available in the quantities needed. BP continued spraying Corexit on the Gulf, at an average ratio of one gallon per 91 gallons of oil, into the summer of 2010.
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== Precious anniversary ==
After the spill, a study revealed that oil mixed with Corexit is 52 times more toxic than oil alone. Wilma Subra, a chemist whose work on environmental pollution had won her a “genius grant” from the MacArthur Foundation, told state and federal authorities that she was especially concerned about how dangerous the mixture of crude and Corexit was: “The short-term health symptoms include acute respiratory problems, skin rashes, cardiovascular impacts, gastrointestinal impacts, and short-term loss of memory,” she told GAP investigators. “Long-term impacts include cancer, decreased lung function, liver damage, and kidney damage.” In a survey of health impacts for people along the coast, Orr found The most common ailments were headaches (87 percent of respondents), dizziness and cough (72 percent), fatigue and eye-nose-and-throat irritation (63 percent), followed by nausea, diarrhea, confusion and depression.
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“The workers that BP hired should have been trained and protected adequately,” Subra said. “It was inappropriate to expose them to toxic chemicals as they did their job.” She told federal officials the workers needed respirators, but was rebuffed. “They said I would be killing the workers because of the heat,” she said. “There are suits with piped-in cooling. Cleanups happen all the time in hot weather.”
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"Hertsgaard goes on to explain that although BP has set aside roughly $8 billion for medical expenses related to the spill, the illnesses these people are suffering from are not covered under that settlement".


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==A Gathering is Happening==
*Hi Petra. It's Buster7 :) I'm forwarding this invitation I got from an editor that reminds me of you and Gandy.
:: (((I'm looking to interview people ]. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. ] ] 12:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC))))
*It's worth a visit! I hope to see you and Gandy there!!! ] (]) 14:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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:Hi there dear {{u|Buster7}}, I've just been released from another (this time 6 month) range-block. I do indeed recall the good ole days, and feel the same as you. In fact, I found myself checking up on the BP oil spill and there is quite a lot of updating to be done, much research and peer reviewed papers have come out discussing the longer-term damage and effects from the oil and Corexit. It seems like something we could get together as a small group once again to work on (if I can remain free of these blocks). I need to touch base with Gandydancer too, if I can find her new location.
:Any updates from your end? How are things? <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 00:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
::What a wonderment to hear your song again. The idea of "your song" comes from ] a recent Editor of the Week and someone you should know. I'm still giving out the weekly awards (534 so far) and clerking at Editor Retention. Reminds me of the years my wife and I had a resale store in the neighborhood. Most days were easy going and then....all of a sudden....customers! I'll have to search out where I have info on Gandy's new identity. I know it's on my watchlist but where? Life is good. We are headed to NYC next month to stay at my nieces apt while she and her family go on Holiday. I like saying "Go On Holiday". It sounds so British!!! We were in London, on Holiday, a few months back visiting an old friend of my wife from 55 years ago. They worked in Tehran and corresponded every now and then. Still working at a local library a few days a week...security. How hard can that be? Watching too much TV but finding some gems. ] is worth a look. And I draw while watching, so ]. Life is Good. Lets Find Gandy!!! and have a reunion. ]<small>]</small> (UTC) 05:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
:::{{u|Buster7}} I am range blocked again until 2027. Let me try to remedy this issue... do you have any insight? Or perhaps know someone who might? Luckily I'm able to edit my TP!
:::My last big trip was to London to see my brother. Did you have fun there? As for finding Gandy, I think I can hunt her down. I'll race you!
:::Editor retention has got to be challenging when they're blocking people like this. Are you aware of the issue? I wonder if editors have been informed about this new process?
:::Delightful to touch base again, Buster! Enjoy the Spring, and New York, and keep that library safe! <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 02:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
::::Don't know much about range blocking. From what I read @ ] it mostly has to do with IP addresses' . Range blocks are explained over at ] with the strange sentence' '''You should avoid performing range blocks unless you understand what you are doing, or you may end up blocking tens of thousands or even millions of people who are not the problem!'''. Sounds like an admin could create a huge kerfuffle. Is that what happened to you? Love going to London. Love Minding the Gap! Love an English breakfast. Love going to Harrods and pretending I'm actually going to buy the $10000 sofa. Love Love Love Fish n Chips (No vinegar!!). Love everything around the Thames. Love St James Place near Buckingham Palace. Love seeing Arsenal or Chelsea play. Love having a chat and a ] with a brit from up North and barely understanding a word he says but loving every minute. Love spending hours people watching at Trafalgar Square. Love hearing someone talking Flemish (my native tongue) in line to get into the British Museum. And Love you and gandy!!! ]<small>]</small> (UTC) 05:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
:::::Flemish?!! I visited Bruges drcades ago and havent heard much if any mention of that language since then.
:::::I got a response back from the admins, my appeal to remove the block was declined and now I am told to wait a few days to mull over the response, which was:
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2013/04/22/what-bp-doesn-t-want-you-to-know-about-the-2010-gulf-spill.html Newsweek investigation/Hertsgaard


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http://www.treehugger.com/energy-disasters/bps-lies-about-gulf-oil-spill-should-worry-arkansas-victims-exxon-spill.html
::::I am no techie, and have no idea what all this means. <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 22:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
{{u|Buster7}} Ignore all of the above. I switched to my desktop and the problem seems to be solved. Now to find Gandy... <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 22:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)


== Hi ==
http://www.livescience.com/25159-oil-dispersant-increases-toxicity.html


I hope ur still there
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/27/coast_guard_grounds_ships_involved_in


Just wanted to ask to a truly unbiased admin, as I've seen through/extensively read up several discussions on wiki before I started to finally post stuff on talk pages quite recently -
http://blog.sfgate.com/green/2010/07/08/sources-bp-threatens-to-fire-cleanup-workers-who-wear-respirators/#ixzz0t7sd1lTm
Why are all my edits being undone by a single admin


Is it wikistalking
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/business/energy-environment/13greenwire-less-toxic-dispersants-lose-out-in-bp-oil-spil-81183.html


or more importantly
http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/04/17/corexit-deepwater-horizon-oil-spill


Is there a possibility of a 'heavy handed effort' I've seen elsewhere on this wiki at work / affecting stuff here?
http://leanweb.org/our-work/water/bp-oil-spill/results-of-the-louisiana-environmental-action-network-lean-survey-of-the-human-health-impacts-due-to-the-bp-deepwater-horizon-disaster


http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=is-using-dispersants-fighting-pollution-with-pollution


(In the sense that my comment was something like this (at Talk: Arab wikipedia -> section : Neutrality lost?))
http://www.nwf.org/news-and-magazines/media-center/reports/archive/2013/04-02-13-restoring-a-degraded-gulf-of-mexico.aspx


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http://news.discovery.com/animals/whales-dolphins/record-dolphin-sea-turtle-deaths-since-gulf-spill-130402.htm


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http://news.fsu.edu/More-FSU-News/Dirty-blizzard-in-Gulf-may-account-for-missing-Deepwater-Horizon-oil
:: "Basically the Arab version of the English "pseudoscience effort"
:: Pls do mention this too out there too"
:: Two comments made by me and earlier,someone else (the other guy's, atleast was pretty much on-topic, on-discussion) were reverted as SOAPBOXing for grounds that are pretty much only criticising enwiki or wiki in general when there ''is'' certainly stuff to criticize even on enwiki
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::Does semi retired mean that I should not look here for answers? Just curious
::Ig even totally retired bois come back to answer a req. unless ofc if they're deceased or disconnected from the net right ] (]) 09:07, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:::Since I've anyways already asked so many questions I might as well complete it by asking one more last ye
:::Is editing to talk pages only
:::a blockable rationale, even in theory ,i.e., even if u hypothetically erased all the obvious double standards (obvious as in when u start by first seeing the the article of - say, ayurveda) ? ] (]) 09:16, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
::::Was tempted to tell even more it out all openly at that particular TP but (besides that it would indeed be rolling highly off-topic and ranting to a point,) I knew, from what I have read here, that wiki is not as highly democratic as it seems to be and that there indeed is/may be a heavy hand (of sorts) on the site to be mindful of (regds. to what u say), in which case I can easily consider the comment i posted there as 'highly risky' ] (]) 09:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
:And when I say talk pageS, I meant quite a few diverse and unrelated talk pages like the one on SB
:I had sensed an air of heavy-handedness/"unwelcomed"-ness(/whatever the right word is) right there itself, but I chose not to assume until it came to a deletion + SOAPBOXING charge by the same fella at a mention of something like 'the 'pseudoscience' problem here'
:To further understand all of this potentially 'rambled-tangled' text, u may wanna see my diffs/contribs. ] (]) 09:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
::Plus a WP:BITE concern abt the same person I addressed to a totally different third party (before it became what I saw/see as a glaring obviousness abt this site and its 'admins'
::Actually, R U an admin ? - sheesh didn't ask this basic thing all this while ] (]) 09:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
::again, I repeat,
::''To further understand all of this potentially 'rambled-tangled' text,'' '''u may wanna see the diffs/contribs.''' ] (]) 09:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)


== Reunion 2024 ==
http://phys.org/news/2012-11-lessons-bp-oil.html


I found the beloved Gandy, {{u|Buster7}}. She's {{u|Sectionworker}}! <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 22:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
http://www.fox8live.com/story/22019611/finding-oil-in-the-marsh-3-years-after-the-bp-spill


] <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 22:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
http://www.whistleblower.org/program-areas/public-health/corexit
:Yes, but she hasn't made any contributions since May 15 of 2023. Fingers crossed she comes to visit and sees our interest. ]<small>]</small> (UTC) 16:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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:::Fingers crossed not working. Starting to cross toes!!! ]<small>]</small> (UTC) 03:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)


== You may wanna see this ⬇️ ==
http://www.whistleblower.org/blog/44-2013/2643-3-years-after-deepwater-horizon-report-shows-devastating-impact-of-dispersant-used-in-qcleanupq GAP report


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FuJT9mp0jw&list=PLoXVez7Y_XKVTBHJYyJjDbA6bUBo7JOWf ] (]) 23:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
http://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/water/divers-say-they-still-suffer-ailments-from-2010-oil-spill/2123134


:P.S. The previous IP was also me, so pls notify if u don't wanna hear more cos ur retired, I'll gladly oblige and things will atleast be clear
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/04/three-years-after-the-bp-spill-tar-balls-and-oil-sheen-blight-gulf-coast/275139/
:(Hope my revelation doesn't get me in trouble 😅) ] (]) 00:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
::It's a lost cause, my friend. But realize that at this point, everyone knows the word "encyclopedia" is much like the word "news". These terms once evoked trust, and were seen as a safe place for truth to reside, awaiting the curious. Now, they have people racing to 'do their own research':
:::what are others saying?
:::who is funding the studies?
:::who is funding the platform?
:::where are the conflicts of interest and how have these factors affected the truth?
::Following the money turns out to be a worthwhile pasttime for the armchair researcher (as we are by default called to be). <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 00:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
==Toby the outside cat==
Toby lives outside. He is not homeless as he has many homes he visits throughout the neighborhood. But my 120 year-old building is his base. He once was an inside cat but his owners, now former tenants of mine, let him out one day, he tasted freedom, and now scorns entering any doorway. He just arrived (at 6AM) to check his dish which another tenant fills daily. Empty! I told him to go catch a city rat and eat it this time instead of dropping it off, decapitated, in my yard. He looked at me and walked away, insulted that I asked him to actually eat his prey. I didn't want to tell Toby that his former mate, Amy, was passing away upstairs. See, the former jerk tenant, that I had to evict for non-payment of rent, had four cats. Toby, his mate Amy, and two of their kittens that were adults. The jerk tenant completely abandoned the three inside cats leaving it to me to call the Anti-Cruelty Society to pick them up for adoption since they were good cats. They came but we only found two. Two weeks later, Amy jumped out of a hide-a-bed we were dismantling for discard and went to hide. For weeks she hid (not to well since we knew where she was) on the enclosed back porch, We LET HER BE, as instructed by the Beetles but she didn't eat food or drink we put out for her. On day she was gone! I left windows open and figured she jumped out one and went to join Toby in the Great Outdoors. Sadly that was not the case. A few days ago, my first floor tenant tells me he has been hearing mice in his bathroom ceiling. Knowing there is an access panel to the 6' foot tub and that I had opened it weeks ago to start a repair that was now on hold, I knew it was Amy. As I write this, Amy is in the throws of death. I can't get to her, poor thing. I dropped some wet food down to her and water but she is comatose...still breathing but barely. If I could I would end her pain but I can't reach her to help. Toby doesn't Know. I haven't told him. Maybe Tomorrow. ]<small>]</small> (UTC) 05:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
:Our cat Starr (named after Ringo) doesn't know either. I don't think I will tell him!!! ]<small>]</small> (UTC)
::Buster I'm sorry to hear this sad story. what ended up happening? (Crossing my toes too. We love you Gandy.) <b style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px #B8B8B8">]]]</b> 01:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::::Sorry to report that precious Amy did not survive her ordeal. She passed away overnight in late August. Animal Cruelty passed my call on to City Services who never did respond in time to save her. There was not much we could do to help her or ease her suffering. If you can visualize this, she was halfway... under pipes and the floor all under the tub. We scooted food and water, but she never touched it...not for days. She was never socialized to humans and because of that she hid and stayed away. Her chosen hiding place led to her death. So sad, poor little thing. We wrapped her in some linen and buried her in the garden. ]<small>]</small> (UTC) 03:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)


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* Contrary to warnings in BP's own internal manual, BP and the government misrepresented known risks by asserting that Corexit was low in toxicity.
* Despite the fact that the Occupational Safety and Health Administration has developed a highly-lauded safety training program for cleanup workers, the workers interviewed reported that they either did not receive any training or did not receive the federally required training.
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* The oil-Corexit mixture coated the Gulf seafloor and permeated the Gulf's rich ecological web. GAP witnesses have revealed underwater footage of an oil-covered barren seafloor, documenting widespread damage to coral reefs.
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* BP's Gulf Coast Claims Fund (GCCF) denied all health claims during its 18 months of existence. Although a significant precedent, the subsequent medical class action suit excluded countless sick individuals, bypassed the worst health effects resulting from exposure to dispersant and oil, offered grossly inadequate maximum awards compared to medical costs, and did not include medical treatment.

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"According to a new report released by the Government Accountability Project, nearly half of workers reported that their employers told them Corexit did not pose a health risk."

"And nearly all those interviewed, reported receiving minimal or no protective equipment despite warnings clearly spelled out in the manual provided by Corexit's manufacturer."

"Now three years on, many cleanup workers are reporting serious health problems including seizures, temporary paralysis and memory loss."

== Tar sands are not "oil sands" except per big oil PR campaigns and Misplaced Pages ==



''Quotation from Little Black Lies, the forthcoming book by Jeff Gailus, on using the terms tar sands or oil sands...
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The oil industry and the Alberta and federal governments prefer the term “oil sands,” while most opponents use the dirtier-sounding “tar sands.” Technically, both “tar sands” and “oil sands” are inaccurate. The substance in question is actually bituminous sand, a mixture of sand, clay, water and an extremely viscous form of petroleum called bitumen, which itself contains a noxious combination of sulphur, nitrogen, salts, carcinogens, heavy metals and other toxins. A handful of bituminous sand is the hydrocarbon equivalent of a snowball: each grain of sand is covered by a thin layer of water, all of which is enveloped in the very viscous, tar-like bitumen. In its natural state, it has the consistency of a hockey puck.

You might be forgiven for believing that the term has been foisted upon us by nasty, truth-hating environmentalists – but you’d be wrong. The term has actually been part of the oil industry lexicon for decades, used by geologists and engineers since at least 1939. According to Alberta oil historian David Finch, everyone called them the tar sands until the 1960s, and both “tar sands” and “oil sands” were used interchangeably until about 10 years ago, when the terminology became horribly politicized.

With the notable exception of the Pembina Institute, an Alberta-based environmental think tank that often collaborates with government and industry staff, critics of the way Alberta’s bitumen deposits are being developed use “tar sands,” because that is what it was called when they entered the debate. The term accentuates the obvious downsides of the endeavour – water pollution, for instance, and the decline of certain wildlife species, not to mention considerable greenhouse gas emissions and the infringement of First Nations peoples’ constitutionally protected treaty rights – but it is hardly something environmentalists concocted out of nowhere to give the contested development a bad name.

'''Even the Alberta Chamber of Resources, an industry lobby group, admits that the term “oil sands” gained popularity in the mid-1990s, when government and industry began an aggressive public relations campaign to improve public perception of the dirty-sounding “tar sands.”''' “Oil sands,” you see, conveys a certain usefulness, a natural resource that creates jobs, increases government revenues, enhances energy security and makes investors rich beyond measure. Tar, on the other hand, is dark and heavy, the kind of glop better suited to paving roads, or coating dangerous subversives before feathering and banishing them from society altogether. As any corporate communications consultant worth her $1000/day rate knows, '''there is nothing intrinsically correct, neutral or accurate about the term “oil sands.” Nor is it a coincidence that media coverage has favoured rich and powerful business interests. The media’s preference for “oil sands” is simply the result of the Triple Alliance’s crafty political spin and an aggressive well-funded strategy to brand bitumen development in the brightest possible light,''' part of a much grander battle plan that relies on a dark web of little black lies to win the day.

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disruptive whitewashing on Who's Who

If you continue removing sourced criticism despite repeated reverts from other editors, I will ask an uninvolved admin to block you at WP:ANI. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Some of your changes weren't as bad as I thought – I saw massive swathes of content vanishing from the article, as when you previously removed all mention of the various scams. Some of your edits were actually removing unsourced content, which I shouldn't have reverted. So, for that, I apologize for being too hasty (and clearly not reading the diffs well enough). Still, you need to stop edit warring to remove sourced content from that article. Hold an WP:RFC, raise the issue at WP:NPOVN, or do something else to establish consensus. Showing up every few weeks to blank sections is disruptive. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:23, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Whitewashing is a pretty serious charge. The difference between my version and yours is two paragraphs - in your version you re-added the following but changed nothing else:
”One example was the Who's Who Among American High School Students which was criticized for questionable nomination practices as well as whether the listing's entries are fact-checked and accurate. According to the admissions vice president of Hamline University, "It's honestly something that an admissions officer typically wouldn't consider or wouldn't play into an admissions decision," adding that "Who's Who... is just trying to sell books".
Who's Who publications are not all of questionable value, but publishers that select truly notable people and provide trustworthy information on them are hard to identify. A & C Black's Who's Who is the canonical example of a legitimate Who's Who reference work, being the first to use the name and establish the approach in print, publishing annually since 1849. However, the longevity of a publication is not in itself a guarantee. In 1999 Tucker Carlson said in Forbes magazine that Marquis Who's Who, founded in 1898 but no longer an independent company, had adopted practices of address harvesting as a revenue stream, undermining its claim to legitimacy as a reference work listing people of merit.”
The example of a high school scam comes from low quality sources: 1 and 2 I left it out of my version for that reason, and because this is a short, list-style article, thought mentioning every single instance there was a printed complaint about some version of a “who’s who” wasn’t necessary. I don’t think you can call this whitewashing when I’ve already addressed the scams in the Lede and body in a way you yourself found (nearly) sufficient.
The second paragraph you re-added was from Tucker Carlson, known as a conspiracy theorist and to my knowledge, not allowed on WP as a source. My removal of Carlson is not whitewashing to my knowledge, but perhaps I’ll check with the RS notice board to make sure.
Your paragraphs also make me wonder about the author, as they seem less reliant upon RS and sound very editorialized. The quotes selected are not neutral, considering how Carlson’s statement in my initial comment above wasn’t included whilst it would give the reader much better context. (“ “There are cases-- relatively few in our judgment--of individuals with decidedly modest vocational achievement being included in the Who's Who volumes.”)
“Whitewashing” should be reserved for describing the removal of negative content. What I’ve done is to try and present the facts in a balanced way. This was what I was trying to clean up - and my fix is nearly identical to the present one, so how am I the problem? petrarchan47คุก 14:38, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

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Dear Gerda, such a jewel you are. Thank you petrarchan47คุก 14:41, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Minor correction, though ~ I began editing in 2013 petrarchan47คุก 15:01, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

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Awarded in recognition for your legacy work on the Deepwater Horizon Oil Spill and other environmental articles. Also thanks for joining WP:Environment last month, with more editors like you, the WP will thrive. Hoping to see you a bit more, cheers! Jusdafax (talk) 04:17, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

JusDaFax What an honor, thank you, mon ami. Let me know if I can help in any way on environmental articles. I’m quite out of the loop, so please feel free to offer some guidance. It would be wonderful to work with you again. petrarchan47คุก 01:13, 28 June 2022 (UTC) Jusdafax

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Hi Buster! Thank you so much. How are things? Hot and steamy here, but the morning glories are finally blooming. Any word from our dear friends? petrarchan47คุก 23:04, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

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Just as heads up that I have recently re-opened a discussion you participated in back in 2019. The question was about whether the article about Jeffrey Epstein’s island should include content about a science conference Stephen Hawking happened to be part of. You seemed to support the inclusion, mainly because two other editors supported the inclusion. Since then, those two editors have been indefinitely banned from the Misplaced Pages, and an investigation in to their bans shows that the two editors had problems with editing about conspiracy theories or WP:BLP related issues. That in mind, I have removed the problematic content from the Little Saint James, U.S. Virgin Islands article, since there is no longer consensus for its inclusion. Samboy (talk) 22:40, 17 December 2022 (UTC)


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Requesting an IP block exemption as established user; IP block due to IP "anonymizing proxy" range petrarchan47คุก 21:08, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

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A Gathering is Happening

  • Hi Petra. It's Buster7 :) I'm forwarding this invitation I got from an editor that reminds me of you and Gandy.
(((I'm looking to interview people here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC))))

Holiday Greetings

Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialog, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension. Happy Holidays to you and yours. I hope you still visit these pages every once in a while. A recent gathering of editors has sent me into a time-travel loop to revisit the distant past where I stumbled upon our playful sharing's of long ago. What a Joy. What fun it was. For me, your page was an oasis. Life is GOOD. Hope the same for you. ―Buster7 ☎
Hi there dear Buster7, I've just been released from another (this time 6 month) range-block. I do indeed recall the good ole days, and feel the same as you. In fact, I found myself checking up on the BP oil spill and there is quite a lot of updating to be done, much research and peer reviewed papers have come out discussing the longer-term damage and effects from the oil and Corexit. It seems like something we could get together as a small group once again to work on (if I can remain free of these blocks). I need to touch base with Gandydancer too, if I can find her new location.
Any updates from your end? How are things? petrarchan47คุก 00:10, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
What a wonderment to hear your song again. The idea of "your song" comes from User:ARoseWolf a recent Editor of the Week and someone you should know. I'm still giving out the weekly awards (534 so far) and clerking at Editor Retention. Reminds me of the years my wife and I had a resale store in the neighborhood. Most days were easy going and then....all of a sudden....customers! I'll have to search out where I have info on Gandy's new identity. I know it's on my watchlist but where? Life is good. We are headed to NYC next month to stay at my nieces apt while she and her family go on Holiday. I like saying "Go On Holiday". It sounds so British!!! We were in London, on Holiday, a few months back visiting an old friend of my wife from 55 years ago. They worked in Tehran and corresponded every now and then. Still working at a local library a few days a week...security. How hard can that be? Watching too much TV but finding some gems. 3 Body Problem is worth a look. And I draw while watching, so "I got that going for me which is nice!". Life is Good. Lets Find Gandy!!! and have a reunion. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 05:47, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Buster7 I am range blocked again until 2027. Let me try to remedy this issue... do you have any insight? Or perhaps know someone who might? Luckily I'm able to edit my TP!
My last big trip was to London to see my brother. Did you have fun there? As for finding Gandy, I think I can hunt her down. I'll race you!
Editor retention has got to be challenging when they're blocking people like this. Are you aware of the issue? I wonder if editors have been informed about this new process?
Delightful to touch base again, Buster! Enjoy the Spring, and New York, and keep that library safe! petrarchan47คุก 02:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Don't know much about range blocking. From what I read @ Misplaced Pages:Administrators' guide/Blocking/Tools it mostly has to do with IP addresses' . Range blocks are explained over at Mediawiki with the strange sentence' You should avoid performing range blocks unless you understand what you are doing, or you may end up blocking tens of thousands or even millions of people who are not the problem!. Sounds like an admin could create a huge kerfuffle. Is that what happened to you? Love going to London. Love Minding the Gap! Love an English breakfast. Love going to Harrods and pretending I'm actually going to buy the $10000 sofa. Love Love Love Fish n Chips (No vinegar!!). Love everything around the Thames. Love St James Place near Buckingham Palace. Love seeing Arsenal or Chelsea play. Love having a chat and a fag with a brit from up North and barely understanding a word he says but loving every minute. Love spending hours people watching at Trafalgar Square. Love hearing someone talking Flemish (my native tongue) in line to get into the British Museum. And Love you and gandy!!! Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 05:22, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Flemish?!! I visited Bruges drcades ago and havent heard much if any mention of that language since then.
I got a response back from the admins, my appeal to remove the block was declined and now I am told to wait a few days to mull over the response, which was:
Looking at our logs, it appears the IP address that you are editing from belongs to a proxy service. Open or anonymizing proxies, including VPNs, iCloud Private Relay, Tor, and web hosting services, are blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. While this may affect legitimate users, they are not the intended targets. No restrictions are placed on reading Misplaced Pages through an open or anonymous proxy.
Although Misplaced Pages encourages anyone in the world to contribute, open proxies are often used abusively. MediaWiki, the wiki software that powers Misplaced Pages, depends on IP addresses for administrator intervention against abuse, especially by anonymous users. Open proxies allow malicious users to rapidly change IP addresses, causing continuous disruption that cannot be stopped by administrators. Several such attacks have occurred on Wikimedia projects, causing disruption and occupying administrators who would otherwise deal with other concerns.
Unfortunately, you will not be able to edit while using this open proxy.
I am no techie, and have no idea what all this means. petrarchan47คุก 22:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Buster7 Ignore all of the above. I switched to my desktop and the problem seems to be solved. Now to find Gandy... petrarchan47คุก 22:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi

I hope ur still there

Just wanted to ask to a truly unbiased admin, as I've seen through/extensively read up several discussions on wiki before I started to finally post stuff on talk pages quite recently - Why are all my edits being undone by a single admin

Is it wikistalking

or more importantly

Is there a possibility of a 'heavy handed effort' I've seen elsewhere on this wiki at work / affecting stuff here?


(In the sense that my comment was something like this (at Talk: Arab wikipedia -> section : Neutrality lost?))

👇 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 08:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

"Those colors are pan-Arab. But the text they added in the main page clearly states that Arabic Misplaced Pages stands in solidarity with Palestine. A formal complaint? Much good that would do. I am a regular Misplaced Pages donor because I believe in Misplaced Pages's mission statement. It's sad to see those core principals erode."
"Basically the Arab version of the English "pseudoscience effort"
Pls do mention this too out there too"
Two comments made by me and earlier,someone else (the other guy's, atleast was pretty much on-topic, on-discussion) were reverted as SOAPBOXing for grounds that are pretty much only criticising enwiki or wiki in general when there is certainly stuff to criticize even on enwiki
2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 08:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Does semi retired mean that I should not look here for answers? Just curious
Ig even totally retired bois come back to answer a req. unless ofc if they're deceased or disconnected from the net right 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 09:07, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Since I've anyways already asked so many questions I might as well complete it by asking one more last ye
Is editing to talk pages only
a blockable rationale, even in theory ,i.e., even if u hypothetically erased all the obvious double standards (obvious as in when u start by first seeing the the article of - say, ayurveda) ? 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 09:16, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Was tempted to tell even more it out all openly at that particular TP but (besides that it would indeed be rolling highly off-topic and ranting to a point,) I knew, from what I have read here, that wiki is not as highly democratic as it seems to be and that there indeed is/may be a heavy hand (of sorts) on the site to be mindful of (regds. to what u say), in which case I can easily consider the comment i posted there as 'highly risky' 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 09:25, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
And when I say talk pageS, I meant quite a few diverse and unrelated talk pages like the one on SB
I had sensed an air of heavy-handedness/"unwelcomed"-ness(/whatever the right word is) right there itself, but I chose not to assume until it came to a deletion + SOAPBOXING charge by the same fella at a mention of something like 'the 'pseudoscience' problem here'
To further understand all of this potentially 'rambled-tangled' text, u may wanna see my diffs/contribs. 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 09:36, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Plus a WP:BITE concern abt the same person I addressed to a totally different third party (before it became what I saw/see as a glaring obviousness abt this site and its 'admins'
Actually, R U an admin ? - sheesh didn't ask this basic thing all this while 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 09:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
again, I repeat,
To further understand all of this potentially 'rambled-tangled' text, u may wanna see the diffs/contribs. 2402:E280:3D1D:5B0:A931:9CB8:4420:455 (talk) 09:45, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Reunion 2024

I found the beloved Gandy, Buster7. She's Sectionworker! petrarchan47คุก 22:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

petrarchan47คุก 22:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but she hasn't made any contributions since May 15 of 2023. Fingers crossed she comes to visit and sees our interest. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 16:48, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Fingers: Crossed petrarchan47คุก 00:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Fingers crossed not working. Starting to cross toes!!! Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 03:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

You may wanna see this ⬇️

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FuJT9mp0jw&list=PLoXVez7Y_XKVTBHJYyJjDbA6bUBo7JOWf 103.137.93.97 (talk) 23:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

P.S. The previous IP was also me, so pls notify if u don't wanna hear more cos ur retired, I'll gladly oblige and things will atleast be clear
(Hope my revelation doesn't get me in trouble 😅) 103.137.93.97 (talk) 00:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
It's a lost cause, my friend. But realize that at this point, everyone knows the word "encyclopedia" is much like the word "news". These terms once evoked trust, and were seen as a safe place for truth to reside, awaiting the curious. Now, they have people racing to 'do their own research':
what are others saying?
who is funding the studies?
who is funding the platform?
where are the conflicts of interest and how have these factors affected the truth?
Following the money turns out to be a worthwhile pasttime for the armchair researcher (as we are by default called to be). petrarchan47คุก 00:53, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Toby the outside cat

Toby lives outside. He is not homeless as he has many homes he visits throughout the neighborhood. But my 120 year-old building is his base. He once was an inside cat but his owners, now former tenants of mine, let him out one day, he tasted freedom, and now scorns entering any doorway. He just arrived (at 6AM) to check his dish which another tenant fills daily. Empty! I told him to go catch a city rat and eat it this time instead of dropping it off, decapitated, in my yard. He looked at me and walked away, insulted that I asked him to actually eat his prey. I didn't want to tell Toby that his former mate, Amy, was passing away upstairs. See, the former jerk tenant, that I had to evict for non-payment of rent, had four cats. Toby, his mate Amy, and two of their kittens that were adults. The jerk tenant completely abandoned the three inside cats leaving it to me to call the Anti-Cruelty Society to pick them up for adoption since they were good cats. They came but we only found two. Two weeks later, Amy jumped out of a hide-a-bed we were dismantling for discard and went to hide. For weeks she hid (not to well since we knew where she was) on the enclosed back porch, We LET HER BE, as instructed by the Beetles but she didn't eat food or drink we put out for her. On day she was gone! I left windows open and figured she jumped out one and went to join Toby in the Great Outdoors. Sadly that was not the case. A few days ago, my first floor tenant tells me he has been hearing mice in his bathroom ceiling. Knowing there is an access panel to the 6' foot tub and that I had opened it weeks ago to start a repair that was now on hold, I knew it was Amy. As I write this, Amy is in the throws of death. I can't get to her, poor thing. I dropped some wet food down to her and water but she is comatose...still breathing but barely. If I could I would end her pain but I can't reach her to help. Toby doesn't Know. I haven't told him. Maybe Tomorrow. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 05:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Our cat Starr (named after Ringo) doesn't know either. I don't think I will tell him!!! Buster Seven Talk (UTC)
Buster I'm sorry to hear this sad story. what ended up happening? (Crossing my toes too. We love you Gandy.) petrarchan47คุก 01:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Sorry to report that precious Amy did not survive her ordeal. She passed away overnight in late August. Animal Cruelty passed my call on to City Services who never did respond in time to save her. There was not much we could do to help her or ease her suffering. If you can visualize this, she was halfway... under pipes and the floor all under the tub. We scooted food and water, but she never touched it...not for days. She was never socialized to humans and because of that she hid and stayed away. Her chosen hiding place led to her death. So sad, poor little thing. We wrapped her in some linen and buried her in the garden. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 03:34, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

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